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6:00 PM
@Clo alive
 
@Tunaki I don't want to go on the cart!
 
Good morning!
 
Sam
Hiya
 
Does someone here has any Ember.js experience? Context stackoverflow.com/q/28480349/1743880 and latest answer and dupe flag.
@NobodyNada Hiya
 
Hiya Nobody
 
6:09 PM
anyone knows where the heck to put the where datetime > 'somedate' clause when using a query that uses cast and joins? like this one data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/9449
 
`with diffs as
(select cast(a.creationdate - q.creationdate as float) as d from posts q
join posts a on a.id = q.acceptedanswerid where a.creationdate > ???)`?
what do you want to query?
 
@Tunaki thanks
@Tunaki median time to answer from 2014 to date
 
hmm interesting, tell me how it goes :)
 
I have no more motivation to work today. I have 2 hours before I can leave I do not want to do a thing.
 
I'm seeing a tendency
all time: 0.055 days
> 2014: 0.05358
> 2015: 0.05672
> 2016: 0.06100
its worsening
 
6:14 PM
Well you do get slower as you get older ;)
 
Are you saying that the median time between posting a question and accepting an answer is increasing over time?
 
@Tunaki no, the median time between asking a question and someone posting an answer is increasing over time
 
Interesting.
 
of course, this may be biased, since older post tend to be deleted if they have no answer
 
I wonder if there is a correlation between the number of askers and answerers. That is to say is the number of people asking question growing faster then the number of people available to answer questions(I have no idea how to get that number)
 
6:20 PM
@NathanOliver counting unique users asking questions per unit of time vs unique users answering quesitons?
 
@Braiam Yeah. I am growth of the numbers of users asking question is more that the growth of the number of people available to answer the questions. That could explain the time increase as there are not enough answers to go around.
 
@NathanOliver Fridays, am I right?
 
@SmokeDetector sd f
 
I think that's fine
this is why you reply to a message...
 
sigh
tgif
 
6:26 PM
transgressional GIF?
 
@NobodyNada replaying with sd does not work ; )
 
tar grated in-home fence?
 
@gunr2171 :p
 
tough grilling in florida?
 
wat...
 
6:27 PM
ugh, and back to work
 
thank god it's Friday
 
@NathanOliver that sounds dumb, I like mine better
afk for a bit
 
Which one?
get back here
 
writing a competitive query
 
troubling gators in floorboards
 
6:28 PM
that doesn't match any letter tuna
 
I didn't get both of you but that's okay
 
I'M NOT POKEMON, YOU CAN'T "GET" ME!
 
tough grating ill faces
 
> Arithmetic overflow error converting expression to data type int.
off to Google...
@Braiam Now that's the realâ„¢ graph data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/488866#graph
We have a question in 2026!
 
What is that graph?
 
6:42 PM
Plop!
 
How do we have 2026 questions already?
Hiya Kyll
 
Plop @Kyll
 
@Tunaki what... is that supposed to mean
 
hey kyll
 
@Braiam Not sure, debugging :D
 
6:44 PM
@Tunaki There has to be something wrong there. 2016 has 17700 questions already when 2015 only had 18706 total.
Or is that monthly average?
 
yes, monthly average of the time difference in minutes between question and first A.
 
@Yvette's message asking for attention on her cv-pls got me thinking that we needed some data about what is really going on with those things. So... here it is, a pile of ugly numbers. I collected the stats from April 1 until today.
8
 
well, supposed to be
 
@Mogsdad I'm not there...
 
I did cut some corners... I got everyone who has an open cv-pls, and everyone who has asked for one in the past week.
 
JAL
6:48 PM
woot 100% reviewed for me
 
Canadian Corner Cutter
 
JAL
that's good, right?
 
@Mogsdad Not -1515.94% for me, disappoint.
 
@Mogsdad you mean, that you didn't deploy an automated way to collect the data? Bad, very bad...
 
wat - I'm second, really? Wow. brb, learning to read spreadsheet
 
6:49 PM
@Braiam Nope. Printed out a list, cut each post into its own strip of paper, then started putting them into individual piles.
 
We can determine from that data that Kyll is surrounded by garbage
@Mogsdad rofl
 
@Mogsdad what do the last two numbers mean?
 
I'm actually third in place with Sotirios
@NathanOliver I blame my Watch query
 
@Mogsdad ok, I hope you did all that while running with scissors in your hands :(
 
@Kyll Ah yes you are putting yourself in the dump
 
6:50 PM
Exactly
 
Daily Average: if the cv-pls requests were evenly distributed over the time period, this is how many the user made daily. (adjusted for newbies.)
 
I do also have the highest non-100% review percentage
 
Nah, SQLServer was being its Closey on a bad day
monthly average of the time difference ^ in minutes between question and first A.
 
WTH do people jump on downvoting those posts? Rollback FIRST, then judge the original post.
 
Lets close and delete the sd Q to put the OP out of his misery?
 
6:52 PM
@NathanOliver Seems clear and focused to me
 
% reviewed: of all a users cv-pls, this is the % that are in the graveyard.
 
@Tunaki I remember that there's a way to squash posts from a date range into a single moment
 
@Kyll It doesn't look too broad to you?
 
@Braiam TRUNC in Oracle :p
 
@NathanOliver Well I mean it's utterly basic String -> Binary Number - Base 10 conversion
 
6:53 PM
it had something to do with datediff or something
 
@Mogsdad You could've called it "% in graveyard" in that case :P
 
Bad, sure. Off-topic? Meh.
 
@Braiam All I found was this stackoverflow.com/questions/2639051/… but I don't really like the answers
 
There may be a sampling error in the tools... Braiam has zero. Hmm.
 
so it is in fact decreasing since 2012, by more than 100%
 
6:55 PM
I feel that there's something wrong there...
 
Who are the metasmoke admins?
 
Undo, hicrist123
from the top of my head
 
ArtOfCode, ...
 
Used the wrong ID for Braiam... adding to sheet. But not many... chat.stackoverflow.com/…
 
So was that a cut error?
 
7:00 PM
@Mogsdad there's 126 for me in the graveyard, with over one page (40? or so) after 1 April; the sheet shows only 20
 
it said "Braiam", and I'm the only Braiam in the entire chat.SO
 
@Braiam "page=3"
 
@Mogsdad Oh
 
@Adriaan 50 on first page, 19 on second page, I'm learning math from gunr.
@Braiam Yep, I'm an idiot. Time to post a question on SO.
 
@Mogsdad thanks. And here I was thinking my cv-pls requests were on deaf ears since it was MATLAB only
 
@Tunaki Thanks. I saw earlier
 
@Mogsdad are you really replying to my "Oh"?
 
@Braiam Uh.
 
@Tunaki I took my own spin on your sql query. produces the same output but might be faster
 
DATEDIFF_BIG oh nice
 
7:10 PM
that's a SQL 2016 thing apparently
and yes, I did hit the same error you did
which is how I found that
 
you don't even need where a.PostTypeId = 2 -- only answers have a parent id.
 
Overall, it does not appear that anyone is being personally ignored. Sending a burst of cv-pls means that it takes a while for them to get handled, which is the case IMO for Ashish, for example. I had to pick through @Yvette's to figure out how many were open this morning (5ish), not the worst.
 
@Tunaki oh, I guess so
 
@gunr2171 so there are actually months were it takes on average 1,5 week to get an answer
 
7:12 PM
i guess so
 
apparently yeah
 
I was rather confused by the graph at first, because it goes against FGITW
 
it is decreasing though, by a lot
 
@gunr2171 remember that it doesn't take into account the questions that doesn't get any answer
 
right, I'm choosing to ignore questions that don't have answers
 
7:16 PM
if you find the relation between that and amount of answered questions
 
@gunr2171 what are fist answers?;)
 
already fixed
 
lol
 
What is this?
 
a link
it's used to send people to other pages
 
7:17 PM
@rene it's a blog post in the form of a question
 
RO fiiiiiiight
 
@rene unclear what you're asking
 
@gunr2171 Don't you have a meeting?
 
@AndrasDeak - <Adds music in the background..>
 
@rene :P
 
7:17 PM
Should questions like this be closed? If yes, which close reason?
 
Finish him!
 
shots fired
 
Hiya @TheLostMind o/
 
@TheLostMind good meta resolution btw
 
and the swearing continues in C#
 
7:18 PM
@Tunaki He seems to have a legitimate question though (although too broad):
 
@Gothdo there was a Meta about that from @AlexanderO'Mara IIRC
 
@Tunaki does it needs closure?
 
@rene hum, I'm not really sure what the post is about. Is it just a "community dump"?
 
> To ease implementation of custom Markdown parsers, has someone compiled a more sophisticated comparison of the differences of the various Markdown dialects? I’m particularly interested in extensions that are incompatible with each other, but also in same goals achieved in different ways. Bonus question: If there’s none and I made one myself, where should I publish it?
 
\o @Tunaki , @ryanyuyu :)
 
7:19 PM
@NobodyNada wouldn't that be off-site resource?
 
@rene Too Broad for me.
 
@gunr2171 yeah, or too broad
 
o/ TLM
 
@NathanOliver Yeah...
 
I'm going with POB
 
7:21 PM
Still, the average first answer time has been divided by 4 in 3 years.
 
if we answer less questions, of course ;)
 
@Tunaki FGITW all the things!
 
try with the median instead
 
I presume you cut out unanswered ones?
 
he does
 
7:23 PM
Yes, assumes at least 1 answer
let's try median
 
I'll try to add another line for the # of unanswered posts in the given month
 
could say "Average time taken to answer 50% of the questions"
 
@Gothdo out of votes, adding to list
 
@Gothdo 52k rep and still answering that :( JS is bad.
 
there's a theory of mine that in some tags as long as you answer any question you will be able to reach 20k easily
3
 
7:30 PM
> Please contact CERTIFIED technicians at Tollfree Helpline at +1(888) 261-4659
 
@Tunaki no
no I will not
 
@Tunaki Number should be 1-800-328-7448.
 
I might have suspended @MadaraUchiha from chat ...
 
@rene You have not.
 
@rene lol
 
7:32 PM
Oops ...
 
@rene you couldn't if you tried
the Madara cannot be suspended
 
Now I want to try!
 
I clicked "Invalid" and realized later who posted it xD
In fact, listening right now.
 
I admit, I couldn't resist ...
 
I'd have clicked "Valid" also had I noticed who posted it :p
 
JAL
7:36 PM
@Mogsdad LOL
 
Wait what happend?
 
...waiting to get booted from chat.
 
I can't chat for 25 minutes.
 
@NathanOliver Fun, wafflez and non-sense.
 
Ah, so the usual
 
7:42 PM
ok, I got the data
seems that yes, we don't answer a lot of questions i.stack.imgur.com/fH9JZ.png
 
Wow that's a serious increase indeed.
 
@gunr2171 you switched months and days :(
 
and you can exclude that last drop down on orange, it's because the month is not done yet
 
Times 6 in 3 years.
 
@Adriaan hun?
oh, American date format?
 
7:43 PM
@gunr2171 you put it MM/DD/YYYY I mean
@gunr2171 yes
what happened a year ago, April 2015, that suddenly the number of unanswered questions spiked and stayed high?
 
and that's not-deleted questions.
I imagine if you add the Q that got roombad...
 
@gunr2171 \o/ thanks for unambiguous dates
 
Great graph. What do we make out of it now? :D
 
@gunr2171 ok, now tell me, how you make those graphs?
 
7:47 PM
@Adriaan no problem. I mean, I always write my checks in ISO format (2016-05-20)
@Braiam export to excel
 
Looks like Excel yeah
 
@gunr2171 oh... then... csv source?
 
I actually had to make 2 SEDE queries because combined was a timeout
yep, then download the csv, then use my local SQL server to combine it back together
 
@gunr2171 jah, that's better. I have the problem that my birthday is 3 Feb, which either is correct when I fill it in as 03-02, or gets recognised as 2 March
 
my birthday is 11/11, so I don't care :P
 
7:49 PM
you reused the old one, correct?
 
Didn't think it would get that big
 
Nathan thought it was a good idea to a) break the one-box rule, b) rather than share the tweet directly, share the quote that someone said of someone sharing a tweet.
:P
 
Thats me. Break all teh thingz
 
woots
 
7:53 PM
I'm a C++ programmer. We have fun with indirection.
 
I bet C++ programmers would like Dark Souls. In the game you get no help from the game, everything is hard and kills you immediately, and other players just say "wow, get better you noob".
 
:)
sounds like fun
 
C++: everything is hard and kills you immediately
2
 
JAL
C lets you shoot yourself in the foot, C++ lets you reuse the bullets
 
C#: Garbage is taken out on Thursdays
 
7:55 PM
Or, C lets you shoot yourself in the foot, C++ lets you blow your whole leg off.
 
JAL
> C# is the microsoft spawn of satan java hack that is windows only
 
But it's better than java (don't kick me)
 
Java: So many classes, not enough classrooms
 
JAL
@ryanyuyu triggered
 
Sam
And it doesn't run solely on Windows. :p
 
7:57 PM
Python: We meant to design this well...
 
@JAL June of 2010. Good thing it's change a lot since
 
JAL
ha
 
Haskell: go get your PHD first
 
JAL
hey I think .NET core cross platform is way cool
 
php <insert any joke you want>
2
 
JAL
7:58 PM
php? in my SOCVR?
 
PHP: it's PHP
2
 
What about JavaScript?
 
JavaScript: No one wants to use it, but everyone needs to
 
Javascript: need a library to find the right library
 
@gunr2171 the point the data flips side is consistent with the 1 year mark, so I presume that a bunch of "unanswered" post get deleted along with FGITW questions
 
8:00 PM
maybe
 
@Closey start event
 
Someone suggested using eval for something the other day.
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
8848 need review
1460 reviews today
3303794 reviews all-time
The tags to work on are: , , .
 
I suggested they re-evaluate their life choices.
 
(¬â€¿¬)
 
8:00 PM
@Braiam I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
PHP: Not even once
 
@gunr2171 I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Closey next 10 tags
 
@gunr2171 The next 10 tags are: 32, 27, 26, 26, 24, 22, 22, 21, 21, 21
 
I'm with design, done with apt, dpkg, and debian
 
8:03 PM
so what are you going to use now, windows?
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [design]"
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [amazon-web-services]"
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Closey my stats
 
@Braiam You've reviewed 40 posts today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 10 minutes and 13 seconds, averaging to a review every 15 seconds.
@Braiam You've reviewed 40 posts today. The time between your first and last review today was 10 minutes and 13 seconds, averaging to a review every 15 seconds.
 
@Braiam Yes, JavaScript for sure
 
8:18 PM
@PraveenKumar stackoverflow.com/questions/37355037/… Could you dupehammer?
 
> can anybody throw some lights on it.
throws a light bulb
 
user3956566
87.50% is the lowest rate of graveyard cv requests of all the team members. All other team members exceed 90%, mostly 95%, many having 100%. So your data confirms my suspicions. I am mindful not to post many requests here, as they would bank up in no time flat and the graveyard rate would be less.
Part of the reason Cimmamon left was because her cv requests were often not closed.
 
@Adriaan old fashioned, throw an led
 
@Yvette I believe you are inferring causality where none may exist.
 
@Yvette you suffer mostly a different time zone, but I will try to review what I find in request
 
8:24 PM
@rene nono, those you screw into the ceiling. Light bulb you throw away, and if someone wants me to throw them at them I'm more than happy to oblige
 
user3956566
I've reviewed hundreds of requests in this room since April 1st, is it unreasonable to expect the 40 requests I posted are reviewed by room members? They would still be open if I hadn't posted about it earlier
 
MOST of the 100% have not posted recently. There's a time bias.
 
user3956566
I go through this chat.stackoverflow.com/…
 
user3956566
and I go back through the days
 
@Yvette Reviewed does not mean CLOSE, btw. I've reviewed many requests that I disagree with. I will not vote to close those.
 
user3956566
8:25 PM
@Mogsdad I understand that. I am the same
 
Yeah I have the script with the requests button... normally I always pass through them all this fun with bots have made loose focus some
 
For what it's worth I don't go through chat transcripts looking at CV-PLS requests
 
I've used RO privilege to move some requests to the graveyard when they were no longer valid, e.g. OP edited them into shape.
 
(or use user scripts)
 
user3956566
I usually post here when a question is receiving attention and needs to be closed.
 
8:26 PM
I try to look at each request as I see it, and vote if I feel that's appropriate
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad yes and that makes sense
 
sometimes I don't really know the language or subject enough to vote even if I trust the person posting it, so I refrain
@Yvette where'd you get that percentage, btw? I'm curious to see mine
or did you compile it yourself based on your own records?
 
user3956566
The posts I referred to earlier had been requested the day before (my time). To me, it's pointless posting them here, as the only reason I post them is to get them closed quickly and they may as well just be in the review queue alone
 
user3956566
Mogsdad compiled it
 
8:29 PM
Wow, even Google Docs are blocked now
this new firewall policy really blows
 
sounds like you need to sack the IT department
the whole IT department
 
So, I flagged the C# question for locking. Anything constructive on the matter has been said, and it (ironically) is delving into ad hominem attacks.
 
@gunr2171 a la Monty Python? :-D
> The persons responsible for sacking the common sense department have been sacked
 
pretty much
 
user3956566
@rene interesting, my suggestion to limit cv requests to 5 per day was on the ball, looking at the data docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…
 
8:31 PM
@Sidney what's up?
 
@gunr2171 Drama from this morning. If you feel like reviewing, by all means, but I feel like the question has seen all the productive use it's going to get. I was wondering if the active people ine (most of them here) would agree that it should be closed and locked now, since the comments are getting useless.
 
we don't review meta.
that's dangerous waters, our boat doesn't like it
 
@Sidney It's probably fairly likely for that flag to get declined, since you're the OP and therefore have some bias towards it
 
Gotcha. I just figured I'd give it a shot.
 
no problem, good luck
 
8:33 PM
@Yvette sure, if there are more cv-pls coming in then we have votes, some will be left. I'm not totally sure if limiting to a fixed number is the best thing but maybe a couple of combined measures like requesting to only cv-pls stuff that is really worth it and have RO's move stuff that is salvaged could help.
 
user3956566
@rene I'm saying it wasn't a bad suggestion to the 3 people at the time.
 
@Yvette The data actually shows there's no real problem, except in bursts. An average of 5/day would kill things. Without stats on the reviewers, any conclusion about rules is premature.
 
user3956566
Not as a rule, or set in stone, as a casual suggestion @rene
 
@Yvette yeah, I got that
 
@Yvette Are you satisfied if anomalies are handled 1:1? (As they typically are.)
 
user3956566
8:36 PM
@Mogsdad I was chastised for suggesting to 3 people to limit it to a maximum of 5 per day and since then they've all limited their cv requests.
 
user3956566
Order that data by graveyard percentage and you will see why I'm unhappy
 
user3956566
that and the fact I get jumped on quickly in this room.
 
user3956566
I'm very unhappy.
 
user3956566
I don't feel like I am valued in this room, nor particularly wanted here by some of the ROs
 
@Yvette if it's any consolation, I'm unhappy that you're unhappy.
 
user3956566
8:38 PM
it's like a club and if you're not in, that's too bad.
 
user3956566
@ryanyuyu I believe you thank you.
 
@Yvette Just stop it will you.
 
sigh come on people, you're better than this
 
trying to distract :D
 
Do only cv-pls get tracked in statistics?
And how do custom stuff like reject-pls get tracked (do they get tracked?)
 
8:41 PM
@ryanyuyu what do you mean?
No, only cv-pls, the rest is extra
 
There were mentions of statistic up there, and I just don't know what determined that. Just a query counting chat message with cv-pls?
 
For now. Maybe this will evolve (hence keeping a consistent formatting)
 
@Yvette I think it is Ok that you voiced your concern and addressed the bahavior you felt was not helping in our goal. The data we have now and the discussion is enough to work out how we need to bend our rules a bit to make this room not yet another close vote queue. That doesn't happen overnight, though. So we listen, discuss it a bit, announce some stuff for members to be aware of and see if it improves.
 
@ryanyuyu No stats get collected - I just spent several hours of my time pulling that from the transcripts of two rooms, trying to get actual information. I'll need to spend more time writing scripting to get more information, if that is warranted.
Have a nice weekend, all.
 
Ah ok. That's cool. I didn't realize how manual it was at this point.
 
8:45 PM
Cya @Mogs
 
you too Mogs
 
@ryanyuyu Yeah for now there's nothing automatic.
 
My initial impressions of SOCVR is that there is an automated process or userscript for everything.
So I just assumed that the stats of unactioned cv-pls was something similar. That clears a lot up.
 
We're missing a bot... :)
 
is she also on vacation?
 
Sam
8:55 PM
@ryanyuyu well
It's kinda heading that way, slowly...
 
Building that robot army?
 
Sam
Yup
One bot at a time.
 
It will Closey's companion.
 

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