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Sam
2:02 PM
@Clo total reviews today
 
@Sam Today, 4 members have reviewed a total of 126 items.
 | User                | Review Items Today |
 |------------------------------------------|
 | Kevin Guan          | 40                 |
 | SmokeDispenser      | 40                 |
 | Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW | 39                 |
 | Undo                | 7                  |
 
Sam
Gotta love off-by-one errors.
 
user3956566
@Sam see that's cos closey didn't stalk me properly sniff
 
user3956566
@SmokeDispenser, I love that name :D
 
Sam
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Yeah
 
2:06 PM
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [debian] [apt] [dpkg]"
 
Sam
@Braiam Yeah, that.
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao the f command removes the message
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Yep, I removed the answer to "why"
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao yes, I am referring to the "2" before the remove. In case you didn't realise.
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Heh, Blame bad internet. I hadn't got your message when I added that message. Sry :(
 
user3956566
2:19 PM
@BhargavRao !!/blame bad internet :D
 
user3956566
You should hear my poor family, they tell me to stop trying to be funny, that my jokes are just not funny
 
Lol, Tell them that you are more funny than they think
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao it doesn't help! I have! LOL
 
Lol :D
 
2:24 PM
sometimes trying to be funny backfires
 
Happens all the times for me
 
user3956566
@Braiam that's what my sister says. I need to stop trying and accept that I'm the serious person in the comedy sketch :D
 
2:44 PM
morning!
 
morning!
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW, I have plans to work on a "my membership" command for closey, which will tell you your specific membership rather than having to go through the whole list
actually I think I'll work on that now
 
@gunr2171 good afternoon :)
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 yep and I do understand it's not so easy. It all takes time, I'm just looking at Ada now for the first time in a few weeks.
 
@BhargavRao I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
2:46 PM
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW we've actually got the bot to a good point where adding commands is a lot easier than you think. just make a class, hook it up, and you're done
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[close] [turtle]"
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 yes, it depends on if you're spending time trouble shooing or refining. The refining stage is always the creme hey?
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW yes
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I seen you asked why smokey detects really old posts yesterday. Smokey does this because its using the stackexchange real-time feed for new questions, and this feed is updated with bumped questions. A question can be bumped randomly by the community user every hour, and causes it to show up in the realtime feed
 
user3956566
@Ferrybig thanks! I know you showed this to me the other day @pp_ ^
 
user3956566
2:50 PM
@gunr2171 unfortunately too familiar!
 
We really should put an article in the smokedetector wiki for that, it isn't the first time someone asks that
 
user3956566
@Ferrybig yes
 
Rao passed an audit!
 
^--- @Sam
 
Sam
@BhargavRao Ik, the server's still running old code
afk
 
3:02 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/35971710/… Am I too strict here? Because for me this: stackoverflow.com/questions/35971710/… just reads like a help vampire baiting the rep whores.
 
@PetterFriberg I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
@PetterFriberg You've reviewed a post today, thanks!
@BhargavRao You've reviewed 39 posts today (1 of which was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 17 minutes and 51 seconds, averaging to a review every 27 seconds.
 
I just started stay calm...
 
@Rizier123 The comment there is fine.
@Closey Again, Off by one :/
 
@Closey There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[close] [turtle]"
 
@PetterFriberg Sorry, I don't understand that. Maybe you meant add [user id] to [group name].
 
3:06 PM
Np atleast you don't throw exception anymore..
 
Just so you know, we don't record tag changes right now
going with too broad on that one. I'll leave the duplicate to people who know the tech
 
I should have closed it as a duplicate of one of the two previous questions, but I voted to close it as low-quality before I knew of the duplicates.
 
eh, it's all the same result
the comment accomplishes that
 
Yes, and no. If I closed using the dup-hammer, I'd not have to ask here for help.
 
@gunr2171 It would be nice with a editing event.... like some RO selects question and chat user edit them one after the other (good edits not only removing tag)... Tuna did this a bit yesterday and it was nice...
 
3:09 PM
I choose the best duplicate ...
But best is relative here ...
You would normally hope that moderating will help users get better when asking their next question. We failed for that OP.
 
@rene: not necessarily. He's not left SO yet, nor is he banned. Hopefully he'll improve.
 
Sure, let's aim for that
 
@PetterFriberg I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
hmm, yeah you already told me...
 
a second time?
 
3:12 PM
yes..
 
weird
@Sam ^
 
@Closey This one...
 
@rene: I've commented with my standard .... please have a look at the [help].... Maybe he'll read it.
 
hi guys
 
Sam
back
 
3:18 PM
hello
 
is it okay for general chat ?
 
this room is for talking about post closure or other moderation
you might want to try the SO Tavern or the Ministry of Silly Hats
 
@BhargavRao Like he is not even responding to my comment, he doesn't give a sh$t. He just wants his code. He already ignored all comments in previous questions if they didn't contained that codez which he wants.
 
I mean.. I didn't came here with any problem or question
 
Sam
3:20 PM
@gunr2171 Well it makes sense at least. The bot registered 39, called the reviewing finished event and then logged more reviews.
Not sure why that happened though
 
@raian Every room is going to have "idle chatter". but the focus of the room is moderation. feel free to stick around and learn a thing to two or help us out. But if you're looking for a "anything goes" chat room, we're not that.
 
no @gu
 
or am I misunderstanding you?
 
Sam
Misunderstand all teh tings!
 
I should get a badge for misunderstandings
 
user3956566
3:22 PM
@raian you can come here to say hi, but when there's a lot of traffic in the room, it's better to keep off topic chat to a minimum
 
which would then be awarded to me in error
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Hi just want to say Hi
 
user3956566
@raian Apart from that, we pride ourselves on our witty corny humur
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg yes that's all you can say when it's busy!! LOLOL
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW and dad jokes when Mogsdad is around.
2
 
user3956566
3:24 PM
Please don't be literal people!!!! says the most literal person here
 
@Rizier123 Heh, He's already got his answers, Why must he give a sh$t? [regex] gets a lot of answers for gimmetehcodez, dunno why. But I guess you need some backing in [php].
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 ooh bad dad jokes from M.dad
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I'm not Literal, I'm dad.
 
user3956566
@raian welcome!!!
 
and back to work for me
 
3:25 PM
Thanks Guys!
I need to followup what you are guys discussing
 
Petter passed a audit!
 
wait, did you you do your 40 already? @PetterFriberg
 
No no .... Iìm going slow... (maybe 5 or 6)
 
oh durp, I was looking at someone else
 
@Closey commands
 
3:29 PM
@PetterFriberg Here is a list of commands you have permission to run:
add [user id] to [group name] - Manually adds a user to the given permission group.
alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
approve request [#] - Approves a pending permission request.
audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
commands - Shows this list.
current tag - Get the tag that has the most amount of manageable close queue items from the SEDE query.
help - Prints info about this software.
membership - Shows a list of all permission groups, and the members in those permission groups.
 
@Closey total reviews today
 
@PetterFriberg Today, 6 members have reviewed a total of 183 items.
 | User                | Review Items Today |
 |------------------------------------------|
 | Bhargav Rao         | 40                 |
 | Kevin Guan          | 40                 |
 | SmokeDispenser      | 40                 |
 | Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW | 39                 |
 | Petter Friberg      | 17                 |
 | Undo                | 7                  |
 
Where do you folks keep the files that hold the list of Java questions that need to be reviewed?
 
Sam
That would be @Drew's beehive.
 
@Sam: where's that? Sorry if that's an ignorant sounding question.
 
Sam
3:31 PM
Just trying to find a link...
 
Sam
nvm
 
Got it, thanks!
 
@raian you better read our FAQ. Based on your profile I would say you have not enough mileage yet on Stack Overflow that makes this room the best place to hangout for you.
 
3:43 PM
@Closey stop bot
 
@gunr2171 I'm shutting down...
Goodbye! (nagato v2 docker)
 
updating...
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Another great way you can help out is with the close burniation, find the good ones edit them in shape and remove the close tag.
 
is this question on-topic?
 
@cybermonkey I'd say not a programming question. --> General computer
and commented
 
3:50 PM
I haven't had a bunch of active closers for batch requests in a while except for @Ferrybig
so my java batches aren't there much unless requested. In fact there isn't much of anything in the hive
 
I usually start my day by looking at the java batches for something to close
 
Lately I have been trying to help people on meta that are struggling to get help
And that think SO is horrible
which it is not imo
 
@PetterFriberg: thanks
 
@maytham-ɯɐɥʇʎɐɯ pulse
 
Hello everyone! (nagato v2 docker)
 
3:59 PM
@Closey status
 
SOCVR Chatbot, running at nagato v2 docker, version 51944012 on master, running for 12 seconds (tracking latency 1000ms).
 
DO we need to reregister ourself as reviewers?
 
nope, just updated the code
didn't drop the db
BUT, now you have the my membership command so you can find that out
@Closey my membership
 
@gunr2171 Sorry, I don't understand that. Did you mean membership?
 
wat
 
Sam
4:00 PM
lol
 
Closey - 1 gunr - 0
 
@Closey commands full
 
Below is a list of commands for the Close Vote Chat Bot

BotOwner
    add review [review id] [user id] - Manually adds a review to a user. Should only be used for testing.
    ping reviewers <message> - The bot will send a message with an @reply to all users that have done reviews recently.
    start event - Shows the current stats from the /review/close/stats page and the next 3 tags to work on.
    stop bot - The bot will leave the chat room and quit the running application.

Public
    add [user id] to [group name] - Manually adds a user to the given permission group.
 
where did it go?
 
@Closey membership
 
4:01 PM
@PetterFriberg Current users in permission groups:
Reviewer
    gunr2171 (1043380)
    Sam (2246344)
    rene (578411)
    NathanOliver (4342498)
    Tiny Giant (4639281)
    Andrew Cheong (925913)
    durron597 (1768232)
    Dukeling (1711796)
    Tunaki (1743880)
    Petter Friberg (5292302)
    Ferrybig (1542723)
    Bhargav Rao (4099593)
    TylerH (2756409)
    Félix Gagnon-Grenier (576767)
    Undo (1849664)
    Mogsdad (1677912)
    Kevin Guan (5299236)
    Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW (3956566)
    SmokeDispenser (363777)
    Kyll (4174897)

BotOwner
 
Why can people in the public group approve requests?
 
@Closey stop bot
 
@gunr2171 I'm shutting down...
Goodbye! (nagato v2 docker)
 
@Ferrybig Yeah, after one day.... of membership
 
@Ferrybig anyone can run the command, but only people in those groups can handle requests for those groups
 
4:05 PM
@gunr2171 Did you remove the trolling module from closey so she will calculate the done reviews correctly?
 
That's a @Sam question, I'm afk for a second
 
Sam
@Ferrybig The trolling module can never fully be removed, it's buried deep within the codebase.
I did cook up a small patch, not sure if it'll kill this bug though.
 
Sigh, Cloudflare issues again. NATO abandoned.
 
4:24 PM
@Ferrybig I have java batch 177 up there plus a screen shot of my votes on them
I am trying to get that system sharable for others. But it is going to be in c#
 
@Drew I am already on them, just refreshed the beehive website, and saw them before you said it
 
see also the jpg . Note the jpg is wrong. I am just waking up. The numbers 2 3 4 should be 3 4 5
 
`That tool looks complex
@Drew The only downside of the beehive is that it uses Microsoft excel files, instead of a open format like html. Its hard to see what links you already clicked
 
@Ferrybig people often hold down the control key (or whatever) and open, say, 3 at a time
and use "view" as opposed to download. I don't know anyone that actually downloads
Then again people don't tell me much
 
I am using my internet browser with the view option and try to open them all at the same using middle mouse click, but the color of the link won't change to the visited color
 
4:34 PM
I know
i guess saying I know that sounds snarky
 
Hello everyone! (nagato v2 docker)
 
@Closey status
 
SOCVR Chatbot, running at nagato v2 docker, version 3a1251b8 on master, running for 13 seconds (tracking latency 1000ms).
 
@Closey my membership
 
@gunr2171 You are in the Reviewer and BotOwner groups.
 
4:44 PM
ok, good
 
user3956566
@Drew I view them, don't download them and just open them in new tabs.
 
@Closey my membership
 
@BhargavRao You are in the Reviewer group.
 
Cloudflare got some serious issues here, No use staying on SO :(
Bye all, going to watch some film o/
 
Sam
Have fun
 
4:54 PM
Don't see any sense to remove them
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg it's the room policy afaik
 
user3956566
the f removes the post automatically
 
Sam
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Huh? (He just left btw.)
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I meant the repeating chars in post. sorry...
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg I didn't remove them. I removed the sd posts
 
user3956566
4:56 PM
@Sam to remove SD posts when they've been dealt with.
 
Sam
Oh, right.
 
user3956566
@Sam you ok with that?
 
Sure, my comment was mostly to see If others agree... (normally we try to edit the smokey reports)
 
Sam
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Sounds reasonable to me.
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg if you don't see any reason to edit it, why do you have a problem with me removing the posts?
 
Sam
4:57 PM
@PetterFriberg Yeah
Not a great deal could be done with that post.
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg oh I see, maybe a question mark next time LOL
 
Your are misunderstanding my first comment...
 
user3956566
@Sam we could've removed it, it was just a format the OP chose
 
I was only refereeing to post..., it was a bad comment...
 
Sam
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Ik
 
user3956566
4:58 PM
@PetterFriberg yes, it was like a verification question of the post!
 
Sam
Hence me saying not much could be done
Anyway...
 
exactly... do we edit or not?, sorry the comment was strange (because you where removing sd messages...)... I will be more clear next time (I did no see much sense to edit)
 
user3956566
@Sam I know, I was also talking to Petter, re the edit. We are agreeing.
 
user3956566
Anyway I'm going offline, night all.
 
good night
 
user3956566
5:01 PM
@PetterFriberg yes misunderstanding LOL.. you said don't see much sense to remove them.. just as I removed the posts LOLOL
 
sorry ....
 
Sam
I'll clean it up a little
 
user3956566
yeh ships and all that @PetterFriberg \o
 
Sam
done
@PetterFriberg Night
and afk
 
are you going to bed... or do you think I'm?
 
5:15 PM
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW, saw you are up for nominations... dropped a small comment, this I owe you. Good Luck!, In Italy we say In bocca al lupo "in the month of the wolf", lets see if you can find the correct way to answer : )...
month = mouth : ) (in the mouth of the wolf)
 
5:41 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
quite observative of you @Closey
 
does VS2015 have a functionality
^^ warning, lazy question above
 
@Drew as they are the masters of backward compatibility I assume the compiler consumes c and c++ but I haven't tried it myself
 
where is Nathan when ya need em :p
 
I know that VS2005/2008 was able to convert old style c(++)? projects that were produced with msvc
You could risk asking in the Lounge?
 
6:03 PM
I think there was a room on meta that I lack the rep to even post in
Not that I would post that question. It is embarrassing
@Rene I think it would be great if the consensus and the Stack said "don't moderate any old questions from x years ago via NATO"
Because right now, everything is crap shoot
 
6:20 PM
@Ferrybig I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I do, they're here gist.github.com/Tunaki/b34071e8b2955d7e1f67
Hiya o/
 
6:32 PM
batch178 count=14 (the most recent asked) is in the beehive
@Ferrybig or any java guy ^^
 
I am going to spend al large number my remaining close votes to the close vote queue, will consider those questions
 
fair enough. I am sure someone else will pick em up
 
Ferrybig passed a audit!
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW @KevinGuan @Ferrybig @Mogsdad I added a question on your nomination Gist. If you hame some for mine, feel free to do so also :).
 
Kev
@DavidG hmm....pretty big typo...not sure I agree
 
6:43 PM
Ferrybig passed a audit!
 
batch179 count=22 (mostly cv3) is in the beehive
 
@Kev A typo is a typo regardless how big it is.
 
Kev
@DavidG ut it's not a typo, a type would be using # instead of @
 
@Kev Yes, but the question benefits nobody
 
That's it for . I am moving back to which is probably a mess
 
Kev
6:46 PM
this is a case of OP not understanding razor syntax
 
The typo close reason also includes "unlikely to help future visitors".
 
No, it's a case of OP not even using the correct language!
 
Kev
@DavidG it benefited the OP who now knows the difference between razor syntax and old school crocodile brackets
 
Yes, my comment did that, now the question can go away.
I'm not against helping the individual (hence my comment) but there is no need for the question to hang around on SO.
@Kev OK, how about dupe instead of typo?
 
Kev
@DavidG that's what I've gone for
 
6:51 PM
Ooh, sneaky C# edit to the question tags :)
 
s happens
 
@Ferrybig You've reviewed 40 posts today (of which 2 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 35 minutes and 16 seconds, averaging to a review every 52 seconds.
 
Kev
@DavidG I keep forgetting about my dupe hammer abilities
 
7:27 PM
@Drew yeah, that might be a reasonable decision if the users that want to moderate can't battle the incoming flood of wonderful posts without changes that enhances their effectiveness
 
There seems to be dubious results in performing community mod on them
Of course the same could be said about any age of the question.
 
@Drew maybe I can get some stats on how many users vote on old questions without an obvious reason to do so.
 
@Tuna, Have left a comment on ya nom. Tanks In Advance
 
@rene Well NATO is a 10k tool. There's a reason. I find the whole aspect of new questions that are LO ish to be very confusing based on varied mod decisions. So I pretty much just leave comments now and don't shoot for any flags.
 
Thanks, reading.
 
7:37 PM
@rene about the only flagging I do now is "I am having the same problem ... "
All of that is answer-side. As for the questions (that ask for LO) geez, if we compile a spreadsheet maybe some mods could work them and save us votes.
 
@Drew I admit I also only flag the most obvious ones. If you end-up in the queue the reviewers are more tolerable to crap. When you hit the mod queue it really depends if the mod is a hurry or not I think.
 
If we had a list, maybe they could work that list question-side (LO seekers) when they put that hat on
 
I don't think mods will get involved like that. You can forget that.
 
LO meaning link only but rather I should say those seeking libraries etc
I have greater faith :p
Because those are our votes being spent.
 
@Tunaki Ping me when you reply. I'm not active on that page, at the moment.
 
7:45 PM
Will do.
 
8:01 PM
@rene do you have an opinion on this one from an older batch of mine
Any Europeans have any thoughts on this
 
@Drew Comment is right. There's no norm.
 
@Drew my opinion as an EU citizen: "Don't understand a thing"
SmokeDetector's been displaying this message in the sidebar all day: "SmokeDetector Reports

Unavailable right now - XHR incomplete, check console."
 
@Adriaan Using http or https version of stackoverflow?
 
@Ferrybig dunno, so I guess http
 
@Drew the comment is right, there's no such thing as europe ssn.
 
8:09 PM
@Drew There's no SSN here.
 
just Kheer, Jalebi, and Gulab Jamun ?
 
@Drew Yes... :D
I love Badam Kheer... It is Almond Milkshake! :D
 
@Drew already voted on earlier, needs to be closed, only markup, no code, missing MCVE
 
thx
 
8:14 PM
@BhargavRao Clearly!
 
@BhargavRao Seems to be a comment to the answer by Diana
 
@WaiHaLee are you around today?
batch059 count=23 cv4 is in the beehive
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Sam (up 1) ^^^ never batched before. Frozen in time except for the mA 500 ones
 
8:29 PM
@Drew I sure am.
 
ah look at the batch above then :p
 
@ArtOfCode, That smokey script (the message pinned on the right here) doesn't work, it says XMLHttpRequest to metasmoke failed. Details follow. in the console, but no other useful info. any ideas ?
 
Sam
@Drew ok thanks
 
I have a bunch of 3's in a few min
 
@Drew count =- 19;
 
8:39 PM
Do we report?
 
@BhargavRao I answered your question.
 
@BhargavRao simply NAA for me.
There's a second one also.
 
@Tunaki Danke, flagged
@Tunaki Looks huge at first glance reading ... Take care of NATO..
 
On it.
 
8:43 PM
batch060 count=13 cv3 (jailbreak) is in the beehive
 
user4639281
@BhargavRao well, at least we know copy and paste works.
 
Hiya @Tiny o/
 
user4639281
Ello o/
 
Hey @TinyGiant o/
 
user4639281
o/
 
8:48 PM
@Tunaki You missed telling about another important arrow from the ROs quiver. Can you add a point about that?
 
What do you mean by "arrows in the quiver"?
 
@Tunaki quiver - Arrow holder, Arrow - a tool provided to someone. (From the gist)
Hey @Undo o/
 
Oy!
 
@Undo great impression of the bumbler from The Dark Tower! mucho impressed! :)
 
Hiya @Undo and @Jon o/
 
8:53 PM
Hey @Jon o/
 
\o all
 
user4639281
o/
 
@JonasCz Yeah, I know about that one. It's on the list for fixing tomorrow. It's because metasmoke is HTTP-only now, but you're loading SO over HTTPS so it's raising mixed content errors.
There are two fixes: either allow mixed content, or load SO over HTTP.
 
user4639281
Why no HTTPS?
 
shrug ask Undo
I wasn't around when it happened
 
user4639281
8:59 PM
@undo ?
 
@TinyGiant because I'm testing something.
 
user4639281
ok
 

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