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8:00 PM
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@NobodyNada Use one light switch and a self-clocking code
 
@Closey next 5 tags
 
8:00 PM
@rene The next 5 tags are: 84, 44, 44, 43, 41
 
> Because we learn now jQuery on school, and not javascript.. Iknow for 50% how jquery works, but i dont know how to translate this..
Wat
Add jQuery to the abused libraries and languages by schools list
 
d3.js go away
 
@AndrewLi excellent
 
8:08 PM
@Serlite @YvetteColomb can you take a look at these, I cv'd, they need 1 more, 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... 4 in fact i'd prob love to delete some of them. They are jailbreaks aging away and have accepted answers
 
They say they are learning jQuery, not JavaScript, but don't understand that jQuery is JavaScript
 
@AndrewLi JQuery is JS++
 
jQuery is DOM++
 
@NathanOliver more like JS--
 
and even then, it's less and less true
 
8:10 PM
@NathanOliver jquery made me loose 10kg a week
 
@rlemon what are you doing here this isn't room 17
 
flags brought me here a while ago and I just never left.
besides, I need to keep my SO Chat #1 spot alive
 
aww I missed flags
 
He got sucked in
 
8:11 PM
@rlemon You're #1?
 
user4639281
jQuery is just crap, plain and simple.
 
nah he's #2
Kitler is #1
4ever
 
user4639281
I thought I was #1
 
8:12 PM
@TinyGiant Yes!
 
Kitler's #1 in our hearts
 
How is Caprica up there?
The bots are slowly taking over
 
it's # messages
she talks a lot
 
Congrats
 
I'm on the fence as per whether or not it is a good thing
 
8:13 PM
ha! I'm beating Wes by 23 messages
 
Yeah...
> Because we are starters on school, and we first start with jquery. We have to make a website, and i got already the html and css, some jquery stuff, and i want now this slider also in jquery.
 
@TylerH not if he kept the same account
 
@rlemon true
 
School abuse alert
Why do school start with 'jQuery' and not JavaScript?
 
Are you suggesting that he abuses the school, or that his school abuses him?
 
8:15 PM
How can you even use jQuery without JavaScript fundamentals?
 
Because it's easier and schools are going the wrong way these days
@AndrewLi simple, learn jQuery first
 
we did html -> qbaisc -> visual basic -> c++
 
@TylerH jQuery === Java
 
:D schools don't always make sense
 
@AndrewLi wat
 
8:16 PM
Abused by schools for beginner courses
@rlemon HTML?! That's not even a programming language
 
It is not specific homework, i just work home for it, because i want to learn it. — Danny 34 secs ago
@AndrewLi 2000 was a different time
 
@AndrewLi coffeescript
 
okay well since Closey isn't recording my review session I'm stopping
 
@JanDvorak If only CoffeeScript was like Java
Then it would make sense
 
savage
i think it's fine to pluralize package names
but its definitely personal preference and not an SO question :V
 
8:19 PM
I can't see GhostCat's avatar
please tell me it's a snow leopard
 
that's how you guys keep the js devs out, keep talking about Java ;)
 
@TylerH Nope - just a cat
 
@TylerH looks like a gray house cat
 
@rlemon they tried talking about PHP first but that just acted as a honey trap for JS devs to come smacktalk
@NathanOliver dangit
 
its a gray cat with orange eyes
 
8:20 PM
@rlemon ES6 is pretty similar to Java though
 
I started programming in Java ... more or less shortly after Java 1.02 became available. GhostCat is literally ancient.
 
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@AndrewLi Except for the whole java part
 
@AndrewLi we've always borrowed syntax
that never changed
 
@Compass figuratively
 
@rlemon Yeah
 
8:21 PM
js is just evolving into a better language.
so people are getting freaked out
 
literally
 
I used to use Java...
 
i was 8 years old when java 1.02 was out
 
1.02?
or 1.2?
 
pretty sure it's not a typo
1.02
 
8:22 PM
Normally "ancient" refers to the time when Rome was an empire
 
@JanDvorak s/normally/classically/
 
> belonging to the very distant past and no longer in existence.
 
user4639281
anciently
 
very distant past is relative to the observer isn't it?
 
I refer to ancient as anything that makes me feel old.
For example, the Playstation 1.
Or Pogs.
 
8:22 PM
Traditionally, "classic" referred to the same time frame
 
man, I loved pogs.
 
user4639281
Sega Genesis
 
@Compass also the fact that there are voters in this year's US election that are too young to remember 9/11
 
Pogs? Now I feel old.
 
marbles still live the test of time tho
 
user4639281
8:23 PM
@rlemon Pogs were awesome
 
so marbles > pogs
 
Stop. Making. Me. Feel. Old.
 
@TylerH xkcd reference
 
user4639281
Jacks too
 
Ah, did you also play hoop and stick?
 
8:23 PM
never played jacks, we never had them around long enough
 
@JanDvorak obligatory
 
user4639281
The back street boys... well they always sucked
 
Jacks are really dangerous.
 
group of boys with spiked toys? they were destroyed before we could play
 
They're lliterally caltrops.
We're using old-school anti-personnel weapons AS toys! We are the monsters now!
 
8:24 PM
I feel so young :(
 
user4639281
What about spiked boys with toys?
 
@Compass conkers?
(its the old guy test :D)
 
user4639281
Remember lawn darts?
 
bad fur day?
 
yup.
conkers are a chestnut with a hole drilled in it
 
8:25 PM
I never got it.
 
tied to a shoe string
 
@TinyGiant Kill an elk from 20 paces away?
 
What.
 
user4639281
lol
 
the idea is to try to swing your nutt and break the other guys nutt
 
user4639281
8:25 PM
Here's one for the linux crowd: remember conky?
 
Conkers is a traditional children's game in Britain and Ireland played using the seeds of horse chestnut trees—the name 'conker' is also applied to the seed and to the tree itself. The game is played by two players, each with a conker threaded onto a piece of string: they take turns striking each other's conker until one breaks. == Origins == The first mention of the game is in Robert Southey's memoirs published in 1821. He describes a similar game, but played with snail shells or hazelnuts. It was only from the 1850s that using horse chestnuts was regularly referred to in certain regions. The...
 
Wow...
 
@TinyGiant lindows
*linsphere
 
user4639281
Lindows was hilarious
 
Swing your nutt - huh?
 
user4639281
8:25 PM
wasn't it then linspire?
 
idk, I just remember MS wasn't happy so they changed names
 
One day, people will make fun of me for using a mouse and keyboard :(
 
@TinyGiant I still have my .conkyrc.
 
user4639281
@rlemon They should have called it Doors
2
 
user4639281
@Louis I haven't had one of those in years
 
user3956566
8:26 PM
@Drew they're all done except one, which I think should stay open. stackoverflow.com/questions/39802158/… nothing wrong with it.
 
In this chat, we reminisce about stuff that happened 20 years ago. Like Windows 98.
I still don't get what happened to Windows 9.
 
I wasn't alive then
:(
 
@Compass apparently lots of people checked for versions by checking Windows 9*
 
@Compass But not Windows ME. We don't talk about that because reasons
 
@Compass It triggered regexes looking for Windows 95 and 98
 
8:28 PM
so Windows 9 failed those tests for ^ those reasons
 
@YvetteColomb to me it is a reason for SO Documentation. If that question were allowed then we write little book reports on anything asked ? idk
 
@JanDvorak Scary thing is I'd actually believe that
 
You need to tell me what this gallery is before i traipse into it
 
There was a reddit post about it I believe, can't find it
 
8:29 PM
@Machavity scary thing is that it's actually true
 
@JanDvorak TIL
 
sounds reasonable
remarkably reasonable and simple
so in two hundred years when we're still alive due to science
are we going to be skipping windows 96 and 98 again?
 
check out github
you can still see some of the code
 
and doing windows 97 and 99?
 
@Compass My hope would be that Microsoft doesn't exist anymore
 
8:31 PM
@Compass back in the days it took three years to write an operating system
 
s/three years/a need because no real competition/
 
> Iknow how jquery works, but not how javascript works..
 
we are so going to run out of version numbers.
 
This is the problem
 
back in the days it took a need because no real competition to write an operating system
 
8:32 PM
Javascript is like jQuery, only with a lot more swearing and bar fights. It makes sense in the end.
 
@Compass No we're not. In 100 years we'll be using Chrome 278338 128 bit
 
Jquery is javascript.
Not the other way around.
 
Ugh
I'm tired
 
jQuery is a DOM manipulation library (with helpers) that is written in JS
 
@Machavity Nah, we'll skip 128bit architecture and go straight for 256bit
 
8:33 PM
Only 128 bit?
why not 4Kbit :v
128 byte? :V
 
prototype would probably be closer to being javascript
but still .. idk.
js.js is javascript
 
@Compass Considering we're still using 32 bit in a ton of places... probably
 
I've heard there's a russian-based project to reimplement Javascript in jQuery
 
js.js is javascript implemented in javascript
via emscripten iirc
 
Libraries of a language are basically children of the language
 
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8:34 PM
@rlemon jQuery is a crap library (with crap) written in javascript
 
Savage.
 
Teaching jQuery as the first thing into JS is bad
Bad bad bad
 
user4639281
Teaching jQuery is bad
 
If you can Javascript, you can anything.
 
@TinyGiant I'm no supporter, but jQuery did innovate, and does handle some things in the best way possible considering the crap is has to assume. given that, outside of IoC/team concerns, I see no reason to use it
 
Teaching is bad
 
jQuery in the hands of a bunch of educated persons isn't the end of the world.
anyone can write crap code.
 
@Machavity I already have that bookmarked
 
Having had to work on many projects without jQuery, I appreciate being able to handfeed the insanity that is legacy code into modern code.
I remember one time I found an error in an application-level script for a clinical research project
 
I remember stumbling across CodeCademy, and in their first lesson into JS, they use jQuery
 
8:36 PM
I mostly (now) live in nodeland
 
the built-in function for calculating a week into the future
 
DOM is for suckers.
 
Nodeland!
 
calculatedd it in milliseconds instead of using the date object
Calculating 1 week using milliseconds is bound to be accurate 100% of the time, right? :V
 
@rlemon but how do you do GUI?
 
8:37 PM
The good thing is we no longer have to code around MS and their screwy JS interpretations. It's deprecated a lot of need for JQ
 
@JanDvorak outsource as much as possible.
 
Nothing quite like having your electronic-based clinical study application fail during Daylight Savings Time.
Bug went undetected for 4 years apparently. Had to hand-write my own function to fix the stupid thing, with a 1024 character limit.
 
@Compass still better than having your plane flip upside down while landing in Netherlands or in the Death Valley
 
Probably.
 
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@rlemon I do agree that jQuery solved the problem of cross browser compatibility back when that was a problem. Since then it has proceeded to make horrible coders worse, and there really is no reason to use it anymore.
 
8:39 PM
But I still was the only Javascript and Java developer for the entire company.
And how did they use me as a resource? Data entry. On the weekends! Without extra pay!
 
Time to leave
 
I did.
 
@JanDvorak \o
 
@TinyGiant having one set of utils for a team offer some IoC. Give five front end devs five modules and you'll have five qsa wrappers.
 
One of the things I am proud of is creating MS Access entirely in Java though.
 
8:40 PM
@NobodyNada I mean, time for Compass to leave the job
 
Well I guess that's a really weird thing to be proud of actually :(
Requirements were to replace MS Access with a real DB, but keep the functionality of MS Access =.=
 
user4639281
Any DOM manipulation library I have seen is too heavy weight to be of use.
 
> We need a new app that replaces the old one, 1:1, including the bugs
 
I like to imagine my life during that time as "Sad Compass"
 
user4639281
Besides vanilla-js.com of course
 
8:43 PM
I'm a lone dev, so I don't have to worry, but I very much appreciate and understand the argument that teams need something to guide them. not saying jQuery is the best or only option there, but given the scenarios you could argue for jQuery, that is the big one I see.
 
LOL
 
user4639281
Devs too lazy to type !== Go get a library
 
have you ever worked in a large team?
no IoC === spaghetti
 
user4639281
Well yeah, but in that case you need clear guidelines, rules, and automated tests
 
8:46 PM
and most also adopt a framework or some all encompassing library to just get those solved.
 
Apparently they wrote comics about Java's mascot.
 
again, not saying it is optimal, but we can also assume then that those devs know js and won't write crap jQuery
@QPaysTaxes JR went to your school?
 
user4639281
What would be cool would be a jQuery transpiler. Something that converted jQuery or other frameworks / libraries to optimized JavaScript code.
 
John Resig?
@TinyGiant That sounds like a great idea
 
@TinyGiant so like babel stage for jQuery?
 
user4639281
8:48 PM
Yeah
 
babel is setting up to be a 'universal compiler'
you could probably write one
you'd make that OPs day if it had a reverse function
:D
 
user4639281
I could write one, I don't have the time
 
@QPaysTaxes Rochester institue of technology?
 
Reminds me of the questions like "I have this Java script code [without DOM manipulation] that I need to convert to jquery. Pleeze do it for me."
 
when I was relearning js I decided it would be a good idea to re-write jQuery methods as helper functions without reading the source code. It was fun and I learned a bunch about es5 (stopped writing js before that)
that's my anecdote. enjoy
@JanDvorak people using $.each(arr, fn)
ugh...
 
8:51 PM
That function predates the native Array#forEach
 
like, did you just import jQuery to loop.. really?
@JanDvorak yea, it was useful --- before.
 
Guys who know Java, I need to make sure I'm still sane `stackoverflow.com/questions/40141279/…
 
or people using jQuery for a single click binding
 
jQuery has become outdated
 
Did this guy define a class called main?
 
8:52 PM
@rlemon cringes
 
there are a tonne of bad examples of people using jQuery, but that can be said about 'vanilla js' as well.
bottom line, most programmers suck.
 
@Compass yeah.. what the...
 
@Compass He just dumped a bunch of methods to the top scope. I don't think it's valid code.
 
user4639281
But then we would have a whole bunch of people handing in barely readable optimized javascript code for their homework assignment after they wrote it in jquery and compiled it to js
 
no-repro
@TinyGiant "explain to me how your code works"
 
8:53 PM
@TinyGiant Those who work on homework assignments won't be using babel to transpile
 
user4639281
@JanDvorak It does... things... Magic things...
 
Or at least I wouldn't think so
 
static main home = new main(); twitch
 
user4639281
@QPaysTaxes Or you can not impose arbitrary requirements, and your students still all hate you
 
or the teacher doesn't know js
my HS eng teacher made us use qbasic because he didn't know c
 
8:55 PM
qbasic sounds terrifying
is it just basic with a q in front?
 
The heck is qbasic?
 
user4639281
My HS comp science teacher didn't know I was hacking the Novell server to change my grades.
3
 
@Compass Yeah; q for quick
 
qbasic is awesome :D Bills last real programming venture
 
user4639281
No one told them that Novell servers aren't known for being overly secure
 
8:56 PM
@NobodyNada This guy is seriously underdownvoted
 
the only thing we did to the school servers was put UT on the 'ghost drive'
 
@TylerH OK
 
so we could play the other computer labs
 
I think anyone who can hack their grades should get an auto-A for revealing a major vulnerability in grade security.
Or at least a cookie.
 
@Compass IRL they would get a school ban
 
8:58 PM
@JanDvorak not sure how old Tiny is, but in the late 90's early 2000's Canadian school boards were a little confused about computer security
 
I'm sure they'd also be wearing sunglasses, have black hair and eye liner, and mine the underground silk row for byte coins.
 
as in, thumbs up their asses no clue about anything
/me afk
 

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