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10:25 AM
@Kyll maybe chat ^ should be added on the Watch :)
 
@Tunaki Mmmhh
Seems fairly fine
 
SQLDeveloper autocompletes "d" to "delete from table where" automatically, nice
probably not what you want though :D
 
10:42 AM
wafflez
 
:33551747 oh, sry, paying attention
 
> kindly do the needful
lol
 
hali @kayess
 
@Shadow szega mizu :)
 
11:01 AM
^ Not too sold.
 
11:12 AM
@RiggsFolly you already cv-pls'd this here chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/33551919#33551919
 
Hey tuna
Imagine you didn't have Java
 
sd why?
 
looks harmless enough
 
Why is he blacklisted for that?
That report was f'd
:o
 
@Seth which?
 
11:24 AM
@Tushar The one that got the user blacklisted
:s
 
Somebody CV'd that Gone
 
Morning
 
@NathanOliver Morning \o
 
11:40 AM
Is it bad to comment on an old question and answer to ask the OP to accept the answer so the obvious correct answer floats to the top or would this bump it and annoy people?
 
Comments do not bump questions, but whether or not it is okay to ask the OP to accept an answer is contentious. If it is an old question chances are the OP already knows how SO works and may have intentionally not selected the answer you want as accepted.
 
accepting doesn't bump, either. ref meta.stackexchange.com/questions/48578/…
 
Reminder: the acceptance mark is a bonus that the OP gives to an answer it is not a "this is the best answer" mark.
 
if the OP is a new or infrequent user, I sometimes do nudge them to accept, as that will remove the question from the queue of unanswered questions
 
11:44 AM
Thanks guys. Guess I'll just upvote. It's a shame because the answer is pretty reasonable and was at the bottom when I viewed the question so I nearly didn't see it. Came from Google too so I guess it happens to a few people
 
You should almost always go through all the answers anyway. It is not rare that the most popular answer is not the optimal one.
 
True but on most questions I find through google, they are reasonably voted on so the top two are usually all I really need. @Louis
 
@Enzokie actually I think it's asking about two different opcodes, the book cover is just to ... uh, pollute the environment?
 
So on topic?
 
@Enzokie uncertain; see my desperate edit
 
12:13 PM
thanks tuna :)
 
@Tunaki New name for the trash
 
that's a different trash can, there are many you can choose from
aficionados visit them all
 
Trashy McTrashFace
 
Trigitty Trash McTrashy
 
I thought it was gonna be called Kyll's Korner, but that works too
 
12:26 PM
This seems pretty unfair. Is that how it usually goes?
Get banned due to a flaw in the system, ask for help & get a "Well, take it like a champ."?
 
I don't think it's a flaw. It's a byproduct of the system trying to limit spam. It's not hard to ask good questions or give good answers. He's not answer banned tho. Can still get out
Pity he deregistered
 
@Seth Well, sometimes the answer is "Fairness for you isn't worth it considering the amount of trash that came from your Ip before"
You're right in that its generally unfair
But its also still the best option
 
@Machavity: According to one comment, it is IP-based, not user-based. Pretty unfair with dynamic IPs.
 
@Magisch Meh, it's a lazy option imo.
Lazy can be good, but mostly lazy is just causing trouble.
 
@Seth considering implementation time is highly limited, yeah
 
12:33 PM
@Olaf Not saying it's fair. I'm saying that it's a tradeoff. Treat everyone fair and let more spam in or limit the spam but have a handful of new users get treated less equitably
I hate to tell you this, but most spam filters tend to do the latter
 
@Seth: Like in "A good programmer is a lazy programmer"?
@Machavity: General laws can never be fair. That's their major drawback.
 
@Olaf Yes :) Being lazy & doing everything the fastest way possible can be benefitial in a working environment with lots & lots of workload.
 
@Olaf In a largely anonymous environment with potential bad actors, I'm not sure you can be truly fair to everyone
 
But - most likely - it'll only end up reducing the user experience.
 
for some new users yes
But users asking questions is not something SO is terribly protective of, because they're abdundant and comparatively irrelevant
 
12:37 PM
@Magisch Still, I believe that the weight the IP carries (if dynamic) is too high.
@Magisch Mhh, not sure if I agree with that statement.
Users asking questions? Yeah, we got plenty of that.
 
Indeed
 
Users asking "normal" or even good questions (haven't seen one in a while) are rare.
 
So if a couple of them get unfairly shafted that is a non-costly trade off compared to getting fewer spammers, as unfair as that sounds
 
Implementing mechanisms to prevent exactly things like that from happening would be worth it though (imo).
 
12:40 PM
@Machavity Sure, but considering dynamic IPs are very widely used, I see major "collateral damage" here.
 
Besides, this IP thing actually cares about LQ posts. That's really not cool.
Regarding spammers, yeh, ban them & make sure they'll never return.
 
Its the same for LQ posts really
 
Regarding LQ? Someone posting bad questions from one account, and posting decent / good questions from another?
 
@Olaf It's unavoidable in IPv4. Should be less problematic after the IPv6 transition gets into full swing
 
Seems weird af.
 
12:40 PM
IP bans catch lots of people creating new accounts on the same (maybe corporate) internet connection
So yeah, its probably worth the fallout
 
@Machavity Good one! So we continue to have this problem for the next 10 years ...
 
user6820627
@Machavity hello! do you want all new SO users should join the How to ask questions course? The tour don't tell that. Let's create it. (Do we need a meta discussion?)
 
@Olaf Next century, probably.
 
@Olaf Besides, if there were DDOS coming from that IP and it got blocked we wouldn't even be talking about it
 
@Machavity Yeah, right! ... Except that it wasn't.
 
12:42 PM
@Seth I'm an optimist :-) IPv6 is a major fail, though. The whole Internet has profited from backwards compatible designs.
 
@Olaf Yeah :/ ... Meh, we'll see.
 
the original major fail is making ip adresses not long enough
to begin with
 
@Machavity Such blocks are typically time-limited, at least for blocks not assigned to specific institutions.
 
@Olaf Not gonna be 10 years. We're pretty much out of IPv4 addresses now and carriers are pushing mobile to use IPv6
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent That would be a good idea. I wonder actually why it does not alread link there.
@Machavity Carriers go well with NAT actually. Has even some advantages for them (not that they'd care about the users ...)
 
user6820627
12:46 PM
@Olaf yeah i love this. my question is downvoted and all of new user's questions are downvoted. some old user can understand why because it's obviously junk, but new users thinks this is normal forum, they can ask whatever they want. do you want to create meta discussion now? (the teacher will be some moderator/people with >1000 rep)
 
^ You could also just request an automated test that has to be taken in order to be able to post questions.
Something like multiple choice to pick the best title.
 
user6820627
p.s if you see my profile, the question get 0 vote just because 3 downvotes and 3 upvotes
 
Or "Should you use a signature?" - "Hell yeah" - "F.. no!"
 
user6820627
@Seth where?
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent 1) We are no forum, but a Q&A site. And new users should very well take the tour. Problem is apparently there is no link to additional information in the tour. Ignorantia legis non excusat!
 
12:48 PM
@LearnHowToBeTransparent New user without questions / answers tries to ask / answer => test pops up
 
@Room Owners: Can my last cv-request be removed? The question is fixed by OP.
 
@Seth That would make most of C questions gone. Hmm, come to think, it sounds like a good idea. (But then many ideas just do this: they sound like good ideas)
 
To anyone who downvoted, it's much better now!
 
@Olaf I'll ask on meta if people are into this or not. :)
 
12:50 PM
@StewieGriffin done
 
Could also get a badge, something like "absolved", idk
 
user6820627
disagree with the answer case. answering is VERY easy (just trying not to be rude) but asking? mcve, best title, voting pattern, or avoid TOO BROAD, GIVE ME TEH CODEZ? @Seth
 
user6820627
if user click Ask Question => Hello, you should learn how to ask. the tour should be interactive. we have all non-interactive meta post and it doesn't help.
 
@Seth: Speaking for C: Just providing a checklist with the "don't ask" links in the info-page should help already. Adding the language-agnostic "Is floating point math broken" would solve most actually
 
12:52 PM
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Hm, I'd still like a test :|
 
Is this NAA? Looks like a comment on the other post stackoverflow.com/a/40108672/4099593
 
@Olaf Would take care of most of the PHP posters too...
 
@BhargavRao Yep. Comment to the answer
 
Thanks, Flagged
 
user6820627
@Seth what? give me that test please. i want to see if this is better than an interactive course
 
12:54 PM
@LearnHowToBeTransparent So? advanced classes in school are also not easy. Some ppl thing lowering standards will help, but that just degrades quality.
 
user6820627
yes, that's right.
 
@BhargavRao if you have a spare delete vote that is all that it needs now.
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent: Just look at the info-pages, At least for some languages, there is quite a good list already.
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Better? No. More efficient? Yes.
 
@NathanOliver Done
 
12:56 PM
Hmm, first question for C and C++: "Is C++ the same or a superset of C?" Answer "yes" and you get banned. 30% problems solved :-)
 
user6820627
@Seth but i want an example. i want to see if that's good.
 
@Olaf c++ is an entirely different language, no?
 
user6820627
// for myself
 
I mean I can C but I sure as hell can't c++
 
@Magisch No, C++ is just C with classes ;)
 
12:57 PM
Any drama going on I should be aware of?
 
that was painful to write
 
@Magisch: You should know they have some common aspects. But as my question stands, the answer is clear.
@Kyll: plop!
 
@Olaf I mean I know I can do some stuff I can do in C in C++ and I can use pointers n stuff but the shift between non-OO and fully OO is quite jarring
 
@Kyll Nope. We're just debating the fairness of SO and whether or not spearrels are people
 
No drama apparently. Sad face. Hey, who recently got a declined NAA flag over a link-only post? Dang, I really wish more people would agree with me on that case!
@Machavity SO isn't fair, Spearrels aren't people. They're better than people.
 
12:59 PM
@LearnHowToBeTransparent They devs are working on this. They are trying to make it better for new user, do a little more hand holding. Since it is a UI/UX issue they will be working on it for at least another 6 to 8 units of times.
 
@NathanOliver PHP is basically C-+ for Apache
 
@Magisch: Please not that again! They are different languages, as some identical syntax/grammar has different semantics. Just see const qualifier. Not to mention the different features in C, not supported by C++, etc.
 
@Olaf I don't write c++ anyways
only c
and vba
I like c better though
because in C there are no bull**** spec bugs or software bugs caused by access that have you lose hours debugging them
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Would have to flesh sth out :p
 
1:02 PM
I like to C because it's one letter and less effort to type.
 
Well, C is my embedded-language of choice (I prefer full control there), Python on Desktop if speed doesn't matter (it very rarely does). Happy I cannot use VB(A).
 
I learned c and I like the neat things I can do with pointers
 
@Magisch I wouldn't agree on that, though (just not that much - logically for a much less complex language)
 
I also learned assembly but that is too annoying to code in for a long time imo
@Olaf At least I haven't seen any yet
While with access I run into "really MS? You're gonna be that dumb?" on the reg
 
I'd go with Python everywhere if it was as fast and compact code as C.
 
1:05 PM
Python is not compact? :O
 
Also
 
I only write PHP. And JS. And HTML. And CSS. Sometimes Ruby for DevOps. Someday I'll be a real programmer...
 
@Machavity Learn Java o.o
 
C code is like magic to the other students in my class in vocational school
 
Reverse a string in C and reverse it in Python.
 
1:05 PM
@Magisch Oh, 68K Assembler is pretty neat actually. But Why should I use flippers when running?
 
@Magisch JAVA!
 
that ^
 
I dont like java
 
@Seth Arghhhh!
 
for rather subjective reasons
 
1:06 PM
@Magisch I don't like to dance either
 
@Seth Nah. They have scary things in Java
 
Too low abstraction compared to Python. And no full OOP
 
@Machavity lul
@Tunaki High five
@Olaf ô,ô
 
@Magisch: Try C with gcc's -fplan9-extensions: light-weight OOP without overhead, but type-checking and much less casting than OOP in normal C.
 
@AndrewLi Post 1: Could not find data for this post in the API. It may already have been deleted.
 
1:18 PM
Is this link only answer or not? stackoverflow.com/a/40109395/4099593
 
Borderline. I'll refrain from voting but fell free to if you feel it is too link only.
 
I'll just comment and not flag
 
user6820627
@NathanOliver i just downvote. a link to answer is not an answer.
 
user6820627
but you say borderline so i dont flag
 
That's another case for Make "move to comments" a 20k privilege as stated here meta.stackexchange.com/a/285924/311398
 
1:22 PM
spam ^ :)
 
Yep, Agree. We need to report it to smokey :D
 
Laterz
This is still NAA, Rite? stackoverflow.com/a/40109311/4099593
I did not see those messages. :/
I just heard the ping.
 
Sorry, I misread a line of your post and thought there was a typo. :/
 
user6820627
// stackoverflow.com/questions/33994673/… should comments be multi-line now? like [read more]
 
user6820627
1:32 PM
// this is a multi line comment.
 
BTW, It's been a long time since I saw you @WaiHaLee, How ya been?
 
user6820627
@BhargavRao if this is flattened to 1-line, this will be impossible to understand
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Huh?
 
@BhargavRao Yeah, I've been alright - lurking and occasionally !!/report-ing spam/abuse I see. You?
 
@BhargavRao Yes, it is NAA.
 
1:35 PM
@WaiHaLee I've been fine too. Thanks
@Louis Needs one more delete vote
 
@BhargavRao One of the 2 votes it already has is mine.
 
@Louis The other is mine
 
user6820627
stackoverflow.com/questions/40109743/adding-breaks-after-arrays // is this not an answer or wrong answer?
 
morning!
 
morning!
 
1:42 PM
Morning @gunr2171 o/
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Bad answer to a bad question. It does not qualify for NAA.
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent attempts to answer the question, so not NAA
 
user6820627
so this is wrong answer instead.
 
user6820627
what qualifies for naa? i saw the apples image but i can't get it.
 
Very simple @LearnHowToBeTransparent
 
1:44 PM
remember, "wrong" is subjective. What you think is unhelpful is your thoughts. Not an answer is objective. There are set rules that define if a post is not an answer.
 
user6820627
yeah what are they?
 
NAA is best defined as "does this post attempt to answer the question"
 
> Use NAA and VLQ on posts that are 1. "Thanks" 2. "Me too" 3. "I don't understand your answer" 4. "I have another question" 5. See link.
anything that is NOT in those categories is not NAA/VLQ
 
user6820627
and not VLQ also?
 
user6820627
1:46 PM
should i answer that question?
 
I use VLQ for link-only answer but that's a heated debate. I think we should have NAA == VLQ.
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent as for the apple image, here's the post it's on: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/225370/…
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent that is an answer
 
2:27 PM
Can any C++ guy confirm this stackoverflow.com/a/40110895/4099593 is an answer?
 
Looks like an (attempt to) answer to me
 
@BhargavRao It is an answer. It is just a bad one
 
Thanks, Did not flag.
 
Prolly F
 
Yeah, Question is bad
 
2:29 PM
@BhargavRao to me this answer is just a repeat of Valkea's answer who stated that they did the same thing
 
And it is upvoted :(
 
@EdChum Yep, That was the cause of my concern
I did not know if it was "Thanks as an answer" or "I tried, but did not get, comment as an answer".
 
Just in case someone still recalls the discussion we've had earlier, there's news (CC @Olaf @Machavity @Magisch)
Seems like the evil system made a not-so-evil decision (it was right).
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Are you here?
 
2:44 PM
@PatrickHofman Answer on the verge of a badge. Question on the verge of a delete
 
@BhargavRao What will it be? :)
 
We can have both
 
Oh and BTW what happened to your FR about extending plagiarism detection to include other users's posts @Patrick? Did it join the list of ?
 
@tunaki This was reopened. Should we just close the other as duplicate of this one?
 
2:47 PM
@BhargavRao Which one?
 
@PatrickHofman This, meta.stackexchange.com/questions/274553/… .... And yes, as expected.
 
NAA right?
@Bha \o
 
@kayess yep
@kayess \o
 
@Seth Good to know
 
@BhargavRao Oh, yes. Ignored.
Sadly.
 
2:55 PM
@PatrickHofman Any ideas for a plagiarism detector? Looking for one badly.
 
@BhargavRao SEDE? No, there is none.
 
Ah, SEDE is a good way. Thanks. I'll put that on my list too.
 
@BhargavRao I am currently working on a real-time version of SEDE. Wanna see more if I have something ready?
 
@PatrickHofman Of course! I'd like to take a look at it.
 
3:03 PM
Time for me to leave, I'll join back later. Cya
 
@PatrickHofman Wow, That's a Windows-only App?
 
Nope
Planning to add it here at somewhere this week: online-sql-editor.com @BhargavRao
 
@Patrick That looks reallly great at first glance. If you can use that to find plagiarism, It'd be awesome. Good luck on the project.
 
@BhargavRao Maybe. It will be hard for the SE API though to go over every post. SEDE is more fit for that.
 
3:09 PM
You can also join us in sobotics where we test out new projects
@PatrickHofman Yep, I'm thinking of something like that. SE API -> Get all posts -> Get Data from SEDE -> ??? -> Profit
I've gotta catch a bus now, I'll join back later. Cya
 
@BhargavRao Then you have to store it elsewhere first, or it will be very heavy
@BhargavRao Cya
 
@BhargavRao that ??? step is obviously 'make waffles'
5
 
@TylerH Which is exactly why 'profit' entails it.
 
@NathanOliver This is just like the Tennessee law where you can't carry an ice cream cone in your back left pocket while walking down the street on Sundays
 
3:18 PM
Reading history is always interesting.
 
It is amazing when you look at all of the silly laws that are still on the books.
 
Flag the comment below aswell?
 
@Seth I did
 
@NathanOliver Most of the so called "silly laws" that people bring up on the internet are urban legends, or mischaracterizations.
 
for smokedetector, does it only detect one word, or will it detect multiple words
 
3:26 PM
@Louis there's a silly law against you calling them fake!
 
@NathanOliver Gud :p
 
@Louis Yeah I really do not believe the internet ones too much. There are some bad ones still out there though
 
like there, the f word, but let's say there was more bad stuff, would it have reported all of them?
 
@Compass I think it does.
 
@Louis Hey, the law that says you have counter stupidity with a meme is a good law
 
3:27 PM
@Compass It should report all cases that match the regexes/categories.
 
Got it.
 
3:40 PM
Is this too broad? AFAIK my comment is the only sane way of doing this.
 
@tunaki you got a dupe for this?
 
Random thought - can you give a fish CPR?
 
I think it's okay
 
looks fine to me
i guess if we could find a char math thing, sure
 
@Compass It'll spit out its heart
 
3:42 PM
Sweet.
 
@Compass I think you need to pressure wash it to force oxygenated water into the gills ;)
 
I just heard something splash... Might be tuna gearing up for war against compass, who knows :)
 
@Seth That explains the spearrle attack squad I saw gearing up just now.
 
@NathanOliver Let's hide & enjoy the show :-)
 
I'll make popcorn :)
 
3:47 PM
I'll make waffles
 
Woot \o/
 
Is a spearrel similar to a dropbear?
 
this makes me want to write up a meta with the title The great XXX cleanup
@Compass Hmm. I do not think so since the spearrle has learned to use tools and will eventually upgrade to nukes.
 
@Compass More a plopbear probably
3
Hiya all
 
we better embed xxx into our nuke launch codes
 
3:55 PM
I'll make idli.
 
A plopbear sounds terrifying.
All the viciousness of a dropbear, with the additional benefit of having enough weight to make a plop as it crushes its victim under its own gargantuan weight, before feasting upon the hapless victim's remains.
 
I'll make the namkeen sattu
 

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