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6:00 PM
so... not sure if I correctly read that somewhere, but close votes will fade away if questions are not closed after a while, right?
 
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Q: Age close votes after 14 days, regardless of views, allowing recasting

Shog9I've been putting this off for a long time... Close vote aging - the deactivation of votes that haven't resulted in a question being closed - is a critical part of the vote-to-close system, but has something of a troubled history: all too often, it has been more annoying than useful, capricious...

 
no problem
 
shog9 likes graphs a bit too much for his own good
 
shog likes his LLLLLOOOONNNNGGG posts
hum, that's an interesting SEDE query, how long are shog's meta posts compared to the average post length?
 
user4639281
6:04 PM
@FĂ©lixGagnon-Grenier I have a userscript for finding questions with a high number of close votes if you're worried about your votes aging away. I also have a userscript for reviewing close vote requests posted here.
 
@gunr2171 This knowledge needs a high priority intervention!
 
already working on it
 
Yay for SEDE ninjas!
 
thanks @TinyGiant, that's where I was starting to get at
they on the git repo?
 
user4639281
With the latter, it searches the entire tag, so if you're going to run it on big tags then please get your own API key. If you don't know how to do that, let me know and I'll fill you in.
 
user4639281
The last one is also not quite polished, so expect it to be rough.
 
ohh.... it's quite nice actually. I see questions of abysmal quality
 
user4639281
Yeah, it can definitely show you that.
 
user4639281
It also spits out a list of questions it queues up formatted as a list for meta posts (in the console).
 
user4639281
6:13 PM
Why are there vote limits? honestly. I've got no votes on meta left (except for close votes), and next to nothing for votes on main left.
 
user4639281
It's like they think I should go outside at some point or some such nonsense.
 
Sam
@Tiny Is any message containing "cv-pls" moved to the graveyard if it contains a link to a Q that's closed?
 
user4639281
Yes
 
Sam
Ok
 
user4639281
So requesting closing a question as a duplicate of a closed question will default to it being closed.
 
Sam
6:15 PM
Right
 
user4639281
Which I don't see as a bad thing, as we shouldn't be closing off-topic questions as duplicates of other off-topic questions. However, duplicate chains may be an issue.
 
ok, SEDE query done.
| PostType | UserAverageCharCount | AverageCharCount |
|----------|----------------------|------------------|
| Question |                 3835 |             1011 |
| Answer   |                 1317 |             1058 |
that's Shog9 on MSO
 
Mh, answers barely 30% more lengthy. Disappointed.
 
I've got another idea for a query, working on that as well
 
Sam
@Yam die
 
Yam
6:28 PM
Bye.
 
user4639281
PostType UserAverageCharCount AverageCharCount
-------- -------------------- ----------------
Answer   1412                 1058
Question 2004                 1011
 
user4639281
That's mine.
 
Nice
 
user4639281
That was for SO.
 
Yam
GraveRobber started 1.9.0.0.
 
user4639281
6:32 PM
PostType UserAverageCharCount SiteAverageCharCount
-------- -------------------- --------------------
Answer   1668                 724
Question 2326                 1373
 
user4639281
That's for MSO
 
PostType UserAverageCharCount AverageCharCount
-------- -------------------- ----------------
Answer   699                  1058
Question 756                  1011
 
user4639281
You like the short ones, eh?
 
I must be succinct insert typo here
 
user4639281
s/succent/succinct/
 
user4639281
6:34 PM
You bring out the pedant in me.
 
Is that good or bad?
 
user4639281
I don't know....
 
Anyway, I'm over average also :)
 
yee haw at -28 for the day
 
user4639281
@Tunaki click fixed font
 
user4639281
6:36 PM
@Drew lulz, lots of downvoting?
 
yep
it all trickles back tho
 
user4639281
PostType UserAverageCharCount SiteAverageCharCount
-------- -------------------- --------------------
Answer   1168                 724
Question 2463                 1373
 
user4639281
That's Tunaki's on MSO
 
lol
 
Sam
PostType UserAverageCharCount AverageCharCount
-------- -------------------- ----------------
Answer   1022                 1058
Question 1195                 1011
Mine on MSO.
 
user4639281
6:39 PM
@Sam Are you sure? The second stats look like SO... am I confused?
 
now wondering when did I write those long questions on MSO
 
user4639281
I'm confused.
 
user4639281
That was yours on SO Tunaki
 
Sam
Wait, yeah nvm.
 
user4639281
I also mixed up my stats / sites
 
Sam
6:39 PM
Stop confusing everyone.
xD
 
user4639281
Operation confuse everyone engaged
 
Panic, everyone is confused!!
 
Tiny Giant: Spreading Magic and Confusion everywhere he goes
 
At least, we're not confused about being confused.
 
user4639281
PostType UserAverageCharCount SiteAverageCharCount
-------- -------------------- --------------------
Answer   1763                 1058
Question 1570                 1011
 
6:40 PM
Or are we?
 
user4639281
That's Tunaki's on MSO
 
user4639281
@Tunaki Trust me, you're confused, or should you trust me? Is that more confusing?
 
So wait, did I post longer answers on MSO that Shog?
But I posted probably way less so
 
Sam
lol, my SO stats:
PostType UserAverageCharCount AverageCharCount
-------- -------------------- ----------------
Answer   2252                 724
Question 1877                 1373
Dat answer difference.
 
user4639281
I post slightly longer answers on SO than Shog
 
user4639281
6:43 PM
@Sam Wow, you definitely like your long answers.
 
Is this too broad?
 
on it
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 How do I get one of those for me?
 
6:44 PM
OP deleted...
 
I made the graph in excel, so I'll just run it for you
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver Don't have enough technical knowledge to say.
 
Sam
Inb4 everyone asks for a graph
 
looks fine to me
 
@Drew NAA
 
user4639281
6:45 PM
@gunr2171 My userid is 4639281
 
beyond that naa was more like what in the world
 
NAA do that sometimes. You just wonder what the heck went in the OP's head to post that.
 
@TinyGiant Went through with the Magic queue! Today, I have nav buttons!
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Awesome.
 
@Pham next 5 tags
That's right
 
Sam
6:47 PM
Nor. Not Pham.
 
@Nordehinu next 5 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@Tunaki The next 5 tags are: 31, 30, 29, 29, 28
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Good bot.
 
@TinyGiant spoiler, I can't really see the orange lines in your graph
 
Sam
lol
 
user4639281
6:48 PM
lol
 
lol
 
now this is MSO
SO i have a feeling would be harder to see
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
Does Nor take into account the time into a review if it is skipped?
 
Sam
He averages the results based on your completed reviews' timestamps.
So no.
 
6:53 PM
Ah so Nor's a he.
 
Sam
Ah, so that was just a trick question to see how I'd respond.
 
lol
 
oh, well here's something interesting
 
user4639281
Interesting, he doesn't always have the longest answers, but they are always correct.
 
user4639281
So... where's mine?
 
7:03 PM
@Tunaki You've completed 40 CV review item(s) today (1 of which was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 15 minutes, averaging to a review every 23 seconds.
 
@TinyGiant ugh, fine, hold on
 
It's my pleasure @Nordehinu
 
@Tunaki Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
Of course you don't
 
user4639281
lol
 
7:08 PM
@TinyGiant here you go
uh, ignore the title, forgot to change it
 
lol
I was just about to point that out
 
Sam
TIL Tiny == Skeet
 
user4639281
So what is the space between the yellow bars?
 
It's interesting though. There's like specific character counts, like you're doing it on purpose.
Or the bar is just one
 
the x axis is the char count of a post. having no space there means you have 0 posts with that length
 
7:11 PM
I like how Tiny is asking for a graph but then you need to explain it to him.
 
lol
 
The title made him confused
 
Ah, that must be it
 
no, 2-dimensions, not 1 got him
 
Sam
Confused who?
 
7:11 PM
but I do like how smooth the site averages is
 
Sam
So what, the site avg is ~230-260?
 
user4639281
So I have a few that are the exact same length?
 
it suggests people are lazy
 
user4639281
And most of my posts are above average in length.
 
@gunr2171 I actually think this could be modeled by a probability distribution
 
Sam
7:14 PM
@Drew Which is probably accurate.
 
@TinyGiant Your post almost look like a barcode.
 
@TinyGiant seems like it. the darkest orange line is a cluster of posts with almost the same lengths, but not the same. you've got ~5 posts that share the same length
 
Can someone try to fit this through a Khi squared distribution?
 
that goes over my head
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver lol
 
Sam
7:18 PM
> [...] with k degrees of freedom
You can't put limits on freedom!
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 hmmm... it would be interesting if this could be an interactive web graph where I could see the posts which contribute to that (I know I can just go and check SEDE, but interactive web stuff is fun)
 
@NathanOliver my barcode scanner won't pick it up :(
@TinyGiant true, add it to the list of things to do
 
@Sam Basically, if you were to create a function that would take a guess on the character count of an answer, it would take those k parameters
 
@gunr2171 bummer. Mine did and brought me to this
 
I have taken the lazy SO approach over to Quora, where my answers (2 of them) are 1/20th the avg length
 
user4639281
7:20 PM
If you made it a userscript that operates on an unused SO page you could automatically retrieve the userid and such.
 
user4639281
You could also use the API to get the most recent stats
 
@NathanOliver /shakes head
 
Sam
lol
@Tunaki Gotcha
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver lol
 
7:21 PM
@Sam (the thing is that you don't know what they are, just how many there are)
 
user4639281
You know what's interesting? The minimum character length for an answer on SO is 30 characters, there are answers in your graph with less.
 
Are you saying gunr writes buggy code?
 
user4639281
Another cool thing would be to analyze average unique words in a post.
 
Sam
My brain disagrees with continuing to read that wiki article.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki No, it's based on information from SEDE so it must be true...
 
Sam
7:23 PM
@TinyGiant I think they raised it at somepoint.
 
user4639281
@Sam Ahhh
 
I thought it was 15 at one point
 
yeah, this is all-time posts
but i am grabbing only questions and answers
 
user4639281
only questions and answers? what else is there for posts?
 
Id	Name
1	Question
2	Answer
3	Wiki
4	TagWikiExcerpt
5	TagWiki
6	ModeratorNomination
7	WikiPlaceholder
8	PrivilegeWiki
 
7:25 PM
The Secret Mod-Only Fanfic Archives
 
user4639281
Ahhh
 
Sam
An Interdimensional portal to the QA-verse.
 
Ah, so true.
 
user4639281
@Sam lulz
 
Docking station... love mine!
 
7:32 PM
I get a blue screen 50% of the time I connect to the docking station when the computer is asleep
 
Solution: Never put the computer to sleep
 
clearly.....except it take 10 minutes from when I hit the power on button to get to chrome
when it's off
 
@gunr2171 had that happening for a time - switched to hibernate instead.
 
user4639281
One thing you should never do: Switch hard-drives in computers when the computer is in hibernation mode. It does funky things.
 
Since its brain was dumped to the HD... no surprise.
 
7:35 PM
@Mogsdad did you have graphics driver problems? that's what my BOSD viewer says. but sure, i'll try that
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 wayland ftw, takes me about 1 minute to get to chrome from pressing the power button.
 
@gunr2171 Yes. Dell Latitude.
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 Linux ftw, no BSOD.
 
Well, let me tell you about my laptop. It's an HP zbook 15 with 16 gb of ram. However it's on our IT domain, so most of the boot up time is spent search for things over the network, and the hard drive is encrypted
once the computer gets going, it's fantastic, just not at boot up. sort of like a diesel engine
 
have an ssd you swap out when you want to have fun ?
 
user4639281
7:38 PM
Less than one third of the questions remain in
 
Our IT run Altris on our machines. I think just to piss everyone off.
 
and look, an event in 20 minutes
 
user4639281
Notably, 809 people did not think that the burnination request was worth voting on (if the view counter is for unique users that is.)
 
@TinyGiant It is not.
 
@TinyGiant mandatory commenting when not voting
 
7:41 PM
off to meta to write up an FR
 
Yay! I have 13 votes to use... That cv-pls requests tool is da bomb!
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver That's what I was thinking.
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 Sounds like an awesome FR
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad lol
 
@TinyGiant I believe if you put your browser into incognito mode you can keep refreshing and watch the count go up.
 
7:42 PM
You could probably pull the chain, for another courtesy flush...
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver Ahhh lol
 
user4639281
scanning for turds
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
flushed
 
@TinyGiant Better: pop up when they navigate away, with: "Please explain in 500+ words why you did not upvote this post."
 
user4639281
7:44 PM
@Mogsdad That sounds like a winner right there. Make sure to include as little research as possible in your request.
 
Sam
@TinyGiant Nice analogy.
 
user4639281
No that was the problem and one more thing what I want is when you downvote someone make it compulsory to give reasons for downvote right now it is optional and it make it unclear to understand why it is downvoted — Vivek Mishra 13 hours ago
 
Sam
@Yam stats
 
Yam
Posts being watched: 454.
 
Sam
14 mins till event. Random numbers ftw.
 
7:46 PM
@TinyGiant I down-voted your comments because grabble flax.
 
user4639281
@Yam My favorite engine size
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad flarble garben, farbizzle?
 
@SmokeDetector why?
 
@NathanOliver Body - Position 523-527: fuck
 
on it
 
user4639281
7:47 PM
:27991057 ignore- edited
 
1. [:27991062] That message is not a report.
2. [:27991057] <processed without return value>
 
well. he told you
 
Hmm. Should the magic editor obfuscate the keywords that annoy Smokey?
@TinyGiant Gadbostudelee.
 
is it bad to edit in swear words ?
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad If we could find a trend as to how they are used and find suitable replacements, yes.
 
7:48 PM
@TinyGiant Do you mind if I edit it more and dyou want to do it?
 
user4639281
@Tunaki go ahead
 
@Drew Why would you edit in swear words?
 
@TinyGiant I'm thinking just @#$@
or f***
 
i guess it's bad
 
just got an email from a coworker asking "why does it take a long time to run an operation that queries the database and returns 600,000 results?"
 
7:49 PM
Come to think of it, meh.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Ahhh.... maybe. We should make a meta post asking what the proper procedure for that would be.
 
Meh-ta post?
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 coz db ops be spensiv
 
clearly
 
@TinyGiant I think I've seen one of those....
 
7:50 PM
@TinyGiant edited
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Did you tell him, "Because we ran out of gerbils to power the DB machine."
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Just getting the community opinion on whether obfuscation when using a script is OK. I'm guessing the response would just be to edit it out properly, any obfuscation is just noise.
 
Soundtrack for the afternoon: 5-Man Electrical Band, thanks to Nathan.
 
Adele here
 
user4639281
@Tunaki nice
 
7:51 PM
@Tunaki no, I have an HP
 
Been bouncing between Adele and Coldplay lately
 
@TinyGiant Likely. More effective to edit IN more profanity, so Smokey reports it, and the a55h0135 can edit it themselves.
 
@Mogsdad What did I do?
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad lol
 
See - only the Canadians got it.
 
user4639281
7:52 PM
Gramatik and other electro swing industrial dub stuff for me.
 
Ah. nice
 
(darn, I don't think tunaki got the joke :( )
 
Me gots it. ha ha ha
 
@gunr2171 No, didn't lol
 
user4639281
7:54 PM
Adele === A dell
 
@Tunaki You've got Adele? I've got an HP.
 
user4639281
So punny today
 
goes back to work
 
user4639281
The burnination request is nearing it's end, and I still have yet to receive a suggested better pun for the title.
 
Isn't the title "Is this the end of "? Because if it is, the fact that I even remember the title means it's punny enough :D
 
user4639281
7:57 PM
Yeah that is the title.
 
How about: Is this still Stack Overflow?
 
user4639281
lol
 
To improve the site quality get rid of the [code-quality]?
 
Not punny, but ironic.
 

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