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3:00 PM
I agree with Sotirios over there "Any question that dumps a bunch of code and nonchalantly declares it produces an NPE deserves to be closed with the canonical as a duplicate target."
 
@MsYvette problem is not that he is trying to use a var before defining it, he is trying to use a manually instantiated activity which is not possible in android, the dupe doesn't tell or help him with that
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns I understand that, it would be better to find a list of good android examples and use them for dupes
 
user3956566
I was trying to enlist help in doing that. As there was not much interest in it, I've been using the one many others use
 
@TimCastelijns this, specifically the answer: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/255065/2422013
 
@TimCastelijns On the c# NPE we add specific scenario's that cause an NPE to the canonical answer
 
user3956566
3:03 PM
I honestly think these two here form the perfect answer stackoverflow.com/questions/218384/… stackoverflow.com/questions/3988788/…
 
user3956566
and any android use can be null pointed to those
 
@iismathwizard Doing so would be going out-of-scope, this user is asking about their NullPointerException; something that is asked about often and so there exists a canonical duplicate target. If they want to ask about their other issues, they're welcome to do so but in another question. — cybermonkey 1 min ago
 
^ agree
 
I agree with the other guy
NPEs are usually trying to use x before you define x, as is endlessly discussed in the dupe target, but this question is really not about that
 
The goal of the canonical is to help the OP understand what a NPE is. Clearly, when you dump a bunch of code and you say "It gives me a NPE", you don't know what the exception means. So closing as dupe of the canonical is the right way to do it.
Its goal is not necessarily to fix it but to help understand it.
 
3:08 PM
also:
@iismathwizard The system's designed that way; a central duplicate target that all other duplicate questions can be closed as a duplicate of the primary canonical target. Much better than having many smaller duplicate targets around asking the same thing, with the same answers. — cybermonkey 28 secs ago
 
Unrelated question: is it okay to - for personal/educational purposes - clone a video game that is not ancient (Tetris, Snake, etc.)?
 
@TigerhawkT3 yes
 
A friend showed me Blek yesterday and it seemed like a neat challenge.
 
@Tunaki the canonical however doesn't address all possibilities, only the standard x = null; x.doSomething()
 
@TigerhawkT3 well usually the legal problems of cloning a game are regarding the use of trademarked characters than copying the concepts in the game
 
3:11 PM
@TigerhawkT3 for personal or educational purposes you can do almost everything - you just make sure it does not get published, which might get tricky if you try to educate other people using it.
 
:27843500 could do with putting back in the nullpointerexception tag, it was edited out by another user
 
user3956566
@cybermonkey ok thanks if that happens again I'll mod flag it
 
@TimCastelijns You can't address all possibilities, they are end-less and you could come up with thousands of variations of the same problem.
 
user3956566
people need to learn how to debug their code and the logcat in android is perfect for that. So between that and the stacktrace question I think it supplies all the programmer needs
 
Yes they do indeed. But pointing them to a question and saying "here this answers your question" when really it does not, is not really helpful
 
user3956566
3:16 PM
@TimCastelijns that's why I wrote that meta question, please answer
 
I don't have an answer to your question. I agree that many NPE questions can be closed as dupe, but I believe there are exceptions and I believe this was one
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But we are getting nowhere so I will give it a rest
 
user3956566
that's why I wanted to discuss it on meta, I think it warrants a discussion
 
Sam
@luk Nice hat stacking. :D
 
3:32 PM
@TigerhawkT3 In which country?
 
U.S.
 
OP did not say he didn't know what it was. OP even said in the question that they had already fixed the issue so it wasn't a "fix this for me" question. OP just wanted to know why in the android eco system why you couldn't try to call a method they way he did through instantiating an activity and using it.

Moderation is becoming disgustingly lazy. I feel like some users are just scanning a question for the words "null pointer exception" and just flag it with some useless blanket answer that doesn't help explain and resolve a the question.
 
I can already draw a line and have it detect when I collide with an object. I think tomorrow I can figure out repeating the last line drawn with an appropriate offset.
And by "tomorrow" I mean "when I wake up," because it is very late and I have to sleep.
 
user3956566
@PaulRoub done
 
@Sam thanks, I did put my entire graphics editing skills into it XD
 
user3956566
3:43 PM
@iismathwizard this is linked to this question stackoverflow.com/questions/34548006/…
 
Sam
:D
 
@MsYvette Thanks.
 
@MsYvette excuse me but i don't quite understand what you mean. I was attempting to reply to something that Tunaki said. If this is not how chatrooms on SO work, forgive me as I am still fairly inexperienced with them
 
user3956566
@iismathwizard oh sorry didn't see that, I invited you to the room and I thought you just started talking lol
 
@MsYvette np. I am actually having a hard time finding a duplicate as I personally can't find any questions that specifically answer why you can't call new Activity() and start using it's context in android. Perhaps this shouldn't be closed as a duplicate?
@MsYvette though my original point still stands that the currently linked question/answers doesn't answer the question either.
 
user3956566
3:51 PM
@iismathwizard that's why I asked the meta question to get people interested in the android tag to help me find some good dups to link to.
 
@MsYvette should we reopen the question then? Since this isn't really helping anyone by holding a low rep user hostage
 
Here's my workflow when I want to close a dupe and can't find a good one (in my area of expertise)
 
user3956566
@iismathwizard I don't think so, as there are hundreds and hundreds of android npe questions, and many of them are virtually identical, so it's a matter of finding a better fit for parent dup. Not reopening them.
 
still talking about that question are we?
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha what do you do?
 
3:54 PM
IMHO you guys are going into far too much detail...
the OP was asking about their NullPointerException, nothing else.
 
I think Steam's way of checking file integrity is broken. After downloading the 8GB worth of repaired files for TF2, I ran another integrity check. Well, that's 8 more GB to download...
 
1. Write new self answered question, as general and as well explained as possible
2. Close question as my Q&A
3. If someone points out there's a duplicate out there, evaluate if their question/answers are better than mine, and close mine as a dupe of theirs, or vice versa
 
^ I did that a couple times!
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha can we create a community wiki?
 
@MsYvette Answer, yes. Question, you need a mod.
 
user3956566
3:56 PM
@cybermonkey the people who live in the android tag aren't happy with it
 
@MsYvette well, tough.. that's how SO works. they're free to edit the question to be more appropiate.
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha ok well how about I start a question draft? and I can link it to you?
 
@MsYvette Sure
You can use gist.github.com for it.
 
user3956566
@MadaraUchiha thnx
 
Sam
3:59 PM
@Yam stats
 
Yam
Posts being watched: 336. Posts pending review: 1.
 
@cybermonkey the user was asking why something happened that was highly dependent on android lifecycle specific knowledge. I don't see how this is a simple npe question.
 
@iismathwizard then edit the question title to make that clear, nobody's stopping you
 
@cybermonkey will do but is that how users moderate the site? They read the title and make assumptions about the rest of the post? Will even changing the title cause anyone to reopen it?
 
@iismathwizard that's why the edit privilege exists. if you make it clear what the question is actually about, then maybe users will vote to reopen
 
4:03 PM
@cybermonkey so answer the first question. Is that how moderation works on SO.
 
I can't since I only have close/reopen privileges on only one SE site (not Stack Overflow, but I like the discussion which goes on in this room), but others might
@iismathwizard yes, that is how moderation works. the title & tags are representative of the rest of the post.
 
@cybermonkey why is that considered okay? I understand using the title as a quick judge as to if a post may be a duplicate but no one reads the contents?
 
@iismathwizard Frequently, that's exactly what happens -- e.g. my reopen request from earlier. The original title was very similar to the supposed duplicate, but the answer to the duplicate in no way solved the problem at hand. Is that how it's supposed to work? No. But a clear/concise/specific title can make a huge difference in a question's treatment.
 
especially since Stack Overflow is supposed to be a central repository for questions & answers about programming. if some other user was having the same problem (NullReferenceException) then it's likely the question under discussion wouldn't answer it. A good question title means everything.
 
@iismathwizard Do you feel as if the original's answers don't answer the duplicate's?
 
4:06 PM
@MadaraUchiha yes i do.
 
@iismathwizard Why?
 
as I said, if you don't think the duplicate is appropiate, edit the question to reveal what the real question is
 
@MadaraUchiha because the user asking the question instatied the object (as many of the answers in the duplicate suggest to do or attempt to explain) however they still go a null pointer exception. OP already solved his problem a different way but wanted to know why it doesnt work in android. The answer is because you cant instantiate activities with the method he used (manually calling the empty constructor)
*instantiated (on mobile)
 
@iismathwizard .. edit the question
 
@cybermonkey on mobile right now
 
4:12 PM
^
 
@iismathwizard then stop discussing it & edit on a desktop :-)
all this can be resolved by a good 'ol edit
 
@MadaraUchiha the question explains this though.What would you suggest as the title then?
 
4:24 PM
@MadaraUchiha there, edited the title. Is this better?
@MadaraUchiha for quick reference stackoverflow.com/questions/34548006/…
 
@iismathwizard Hey! I just read your message and the rest of the transcript. A lot is based on the question's title and how the post is written. To me, the question sounded like the OP had no idea what a NPE was. I just read your edit and I reopened it because it makes it clear that it is not a dupe of the canonical.
 
@Tunaki you are my saviour. Thank you!
@Tunaki should a mod come clean up the discussion in the comments since they don't contribute to the question at all?
 
@iismathwizard you can flag a comment for moderator attention and ask to clean it.
 
4:43 PM
So that's sorted out. Next topic: tabs vs. spaces.
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@Closey next 3 tags
@Closey alive
 
@PaulRoub Depends which language ;)
Why do I always get mentioned in the spam?
 
@MsYvette maybe take that one to a secondary chat room first next time, then on to here !
 
@SmokeDetector that guy is back
@PaulRoub -1. Next topic: 1 space or 2 spaces after a full break in English?
 
Took me two days, finally have a working equalizer.
 
4:49 PM
Wait, Does "RIZ" mean something? I always thought it is a short for @Rizier123
 
It is a short-form for Rizier123 and I don't think it means something else.
 
@BhargavRao Literally French for "rice".
 
@Tunaki At least there's a solid canonical question for that.
 
@user5734524 I don't know why you keep posting crap non-answers like you are doing but please stop doing that. You won't be able to chat here (there's a minimum rep requirement)
@PaulRoub I prefer the third way.
Smokey will report something very soon.
 
@SmokeDetector Dam! How was that even accepted?
 
5:03 PM
@BhargavRao yes something is very wrong here.
 
@Tunaki that worked on that one (the happy new year one) :P
 
@SmokeDetector can I get a screenshot of that from someone please?
 
thanks
 
someone seems salty
 
5:06 PM
Fastest Image poster In The West
 
yeah, this is what we were fearing. We need to keep an eye on this and make sure nothing going wrong on our end
 
can't this user just be banned?
 
He's banned
 
making new accounts then?
 
@iismathwizard if you ban them or destroy their account, they can easily come back. if their IP is blocked from registering accounts, they can just use a different IP.
that's one of the big issues with running/moderating Internet stuff
 
5:07 PM
Just keep flagging, eventually they'll give up
 
Now I'm out of flags and delete votes...
 
LOL, I still have a few
 
@cybermonkey understandable. I'm definitely not trying to underplay the difficulty of keeping a person off a site if they really want on. Very frustrating though :/
 
@iismathwizard I believe I wrote an answer on IP banning over on Security.SE once, I'll go and find it..
 
@Closey alive?
 
5:08 PM
nooo.. closey is dead
 
uh...let me fix that
 
!!/alive
 
@cybermonkey Of course
 
!!/coffee
 
@BhargavRao brews coffee for @BhargavRao
 
5:09 PM
@gunr2171 do you run Closey on a VM or something?
 
current Closey is ran through Jenkins straight on the host OS. Closey 2.0 will be ran in Docker
 
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux!)
 
@cybermonkey thank you
 
Did someone flag that user for moderator attention already?
 
5:11 PM
note this part: but really, how else are you going to get rid of a user, apart from physically finding them and stopping them that way
 
@gunr2171 Have you released a trailer of Closey 2.0? ( I love to hear the video end with Introducing Closey two point Oo. :D )
 
@cybermonkey true. I was just doing a sanity check I guess haha
 
well, clearly he's reading the transcripts
 
Nah he's here. Am I rite @user5734543
So all others outta Delvotes?
 
@gunr2171 He's here, I left a message earlier.
 
5:13 PM
link please?
 
18 mins ago, by Tunaki
@user5734524 I don't know why you keep posting crap non-answers like you are doing but please stop doing that. You won't be able to chat here (there's a minimum rep requirement)
 
well that account is gone, so don't know how much that will help
and sorry, I've been busy at work, so I've missed most of what's been happening
 
three hours last nite. Brace for another run of the same
 
@gunr2171 By the way, 16GB of updates later TF2 still crashes to desktop =|
 
har har har har
you scrub :D
 
5:15 PM
@BhargavRao since that user is reading the transcript, this is an invitation to mention you :D
 
@Kyll have you dived into the event log yet?
 
Nice, he's targeting my posts now.
 
@Tunaki Lol, yeah. Just in time
 
@Tunaki @BhargavRao @PaulRoub Please don't delete vote these, it doesn't feed the various systems designed for this.
 
@cybermonkey Nupe, no idea how to start TF2 from the CLI actually. Guess I'll have to find the one file, brb
 
5:16 PM
Spam/abusive flags are the way to go, I'll see if I can round up someone with superpowers
 
don't know why I didn't just tp, but there you have it
 
@Undo Gotcha.
 
:)
 
@Undo Oops, sorry. Didn't know... :)
 
@Undo I previously flagged as spam but I'm out of flags now...
 
5:17 PM
@Kyll look at Event Viewer, it'll tell you what the problem is 99% of the time
 
@undo believe the platform ain't broken still ? :P
 
@BhargavRao It's one of those little intricacies.
@Drew It ain't broken.
 
@cybermonkey There's a crashlog on Steam?
 
ok limping
 
@Kyll are you using Windows?
 
5:18 PM
@cybermonkey Kubuntu
 
Oh yeah. @Undo the spam flag detects that the user is spammin a lot. Rite?
 
@Kyll ah, then it'd be harder
 
I have no issue running TF2 on Windows. Except for my dying GPU that id.
 
@BhargavRao Slightly more involved, but yes
 
@cybermonkey Well I just have to find the runnable file =p
 
5:22 PM
flag as spam people
 
I'm doing as rude/abusive
 
Flagging as abusive here
 
How many bullets do you have left? :D
 
spam and rude/abusive do pretty much the same thing
 
5:24 PM
@Tunaki 77
 
Ha, Jon is on it, he just deleted that post
 
@Undo but, we don't want to save it :P
 
@gunr2171 :P
 
aannddd there goes the user too
 
> Failed to open BO for returned DRI2 buffer (1920x1080, dri2 back buffer, named 18).
> This is likely a bug in the X Server that will lead to a crash soon.
That sounds very bad lol
 
5:27 PM
They're a persistent bunch that lot... keep flagging we're looking into if there's something else we can do
 
yeah restore flag counts back to 100
 
yes please :D
 
better yet 250
 
Since you are reading the transcript, just know that you aren't helping moderation at all by creating content to moderate...
 
...that was fast
 
5:35 PM
Very..
 
user 606 this time
 
that user needs to be IP banned..
 
@cybermonkey but they could just change their ip address :p
 
@cybermonkey IPs are so easy to spoof =/
 
true
maybe temporary provider rate-limit?
 
5:39 PM
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that currently happens with common VPN providers on SE
 
@Kyll So I've been summoned to help with linux problems. Are you usinby chance using a laptop?
 
@gunr2171 Check your inbox.
 
@Undo uh, which one?
email or SO
 
5:49 PM
SE
 
I'm not seeing anything
 
Hrm. Okay, hold on
 
I'm ok with what you are suggesting @Undo
 
k, thanks. Might move forward with it, might not.
 
6:22 PM
Event in 8 minutes
 
> An event is starting in 7 minutes
why is it such a weird number?
 
What is weird about 7? It is prime ...
 
setInterval(checkEvents, 1000 * 60 * 5) maybe?
 
hey there, stacktroopers
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier hi
@Kyll it is not jQuery everywhere ....
@Closey start event
 
6:30 PM
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
7,560 need review
1,680 reviews today
3,027,367 reviews all-time
The tags to work on are: , , .
 
@Yam alive
 
@Closey starting
 
@rene Good luck!
 
nope, just closey today
@Closey starting
 
@gunr2171 Happy reviewing!
 
6:30 PM
@Closey starting
 
@BhargavRao Watch out for audits!
 
@gunr2171 I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
....or not
 
lol
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
gunr passed a audit!
rene passed a audit!
 
6:36 PM
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [image]"
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Yam doesn't have an "alive" command.
 
oh
 
Sam
@Yam stats
 
Yam
Posts being watched: 335. Posts pending review: 2.
 
durp, I mean Pham
I get your bots mixed up all the time
 
Sam
6:38 PM
Lol
At least they're all up and running.
 
true
 
Sam
Closey died earlier because she's using an older CE.NET version.
 
should we update that?
even though it's v1
 
Sam
Probably for the best
Since v2 is no where near ready yet.
 
well, i'm not planning on doing anything tomorrow, sounds like a project to work on
both v1 and v2
 
Sam
6:41 PM
k
The code should be fairly easy to follow in socvr.net-update
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [.net]"
[forms], here come all the php questions
 
@rene You've completed 40 CV review item(s) today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 13 minutes, averaging to a review every 20 seconds.
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 5 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
6:47 PM
@rene Your last completed review session ended 14 seconds ago and lasted 16 minutes and 13 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 24 seconds.
 
@Drew I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Hi @Mogsdad HNY o/
 
20 man hours wasted on it @sam
 
What's it like next year? @BhargavRao?
 
6:50 PM
@Mogsdad 20 mins into new year
 
@BhargavRao HNY
 
Ty! Same to you :)
 
So - there's spam next year too. Darn.
 
lol
 
Sam
Well, happy new year guys. Hopefully we'll get the queue down even more.
 
6:54 PM
yeah, we are at 7.5k, that's nice!
 
Does anyone know how that compares to the start of the year?
 
Sam
No idea
Maybe rene has some stats.
 
we have a graph, hold on
 
Man, that it still works, I might be brilliant after all
 
well, don't try to zoom in....
 
6:56 PM
Yeah, that bit
OK
point taken
 
it's perfect, ignoring the parts that don't work :P
 
Thanks for bringing me back to reality
 
well that didn't take long
 
@SmokeDetector sd gone
 
what does "sd k" mean?
 
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