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4:00 PM
little text boxes. I am not trying to pretend we are all in a room talking to one another
 
@MrsEd am trying to understand what am I missing..
 
@Phani was is your actual question on the 2nd one?
 
user3956566
@Phani you have approved edits to code, and code you do not understand, you cannot approve edits to code
 
user3956566
you change the whole meaning of the post when you change the code.
 
user3956566
if a user sees a msitake in the code, then they should comment under the post, not edit it
 
4:01 PM
@MrsEd Yes I understand for the code part... but again.. I will watch for anything that comes up with like the formatting issues.. Thank you.
 
if I have no domain experience in a language, I stay the heck out of accept reject code change requests. If that is the question
 
user3956566
@Phani formatting is fine, but you need to actually check very carefully that the code is not changed. If you are at all unsure skip, have a look at the post I put above
 
@Phani Look at the differences between the original and the edit: i.imgur.com/VUIacFV.png
You approved an edit that a.) removed code formatting and b.) changed code
Don't do that
 
user3956566
@Andy it's actually made a mess of the answer
 
user3956566
it doesn't make sense
 
4:03 PM
@Drew I understand the code but only thing I might have overlooked is not looking if there was an edit to question..if a question change was approved by someone and the new answer is what am looking at right now.. then change to code is valid.
 
ok Phani I understand. But read up a few comments from others. I have not drilled into it
 
@Phani, look at the reason for the change too:
> Comment: Forgot closing parentheses and extracted the list_View1 to variable
 
user3956566
@Phani if you are reviewing suggested edits, it's your job to look at the changes, you can set your screen to have them side by side. I think this is your problem
 
user3956566
Looking at one screen
 
I have 4 monitors going at once. One is dedicated to tracking what MrsEd is doing
 
user3956566
4:06 PM
 
This is an attempt to reply to the author. Code changes, especially adding statements, is not something that should be approved. It changes what was written. Your better options are to leave a comment or post a "more correct" answer
 
user3956566
@Phani compared to this i.stack.imgur.com/kF7YL.png
 
@Andy yes, but am pretty sure I would never approve any code which is unformatted and I will try to format the code if an edit option is available.. I am trying to see if I can get the following revisions of the same question to understand if again this is an overlooked thing.
 
user3956566
@Phani click on rendered output
 
@Phani Yet...you did
 
4:08 PM
@MrsEd I agree for the code..
 
user3956566
@Phani that will show you the differences ;)
 
user3956566
@Drew hahahahaha just saw that
 
@Andy well..system says so.. so I can't talk much about it.. as system isn't human :)
 
user3956566
we need a suggested edit review room
 
@MrsEd +1
 
Sam
4:09 PM
There is
 
user3956566
@Phani :)
 
Sam

The SO Tavern (Free Snacks)

Room 5 was frozen for inactivity even though it was once an ac...
 
user3956566
@Sam really?
 
user3956566
yum I'm hungry
 
Sam
A friend of mine runs a bot in there for detecting possible bad edits
 
user3956566
4:10 PM
@Sam nice
 
@DavidG Did you still need to talk about the advent problem. I was able to do 10.2 in about 4 seconds.
 
Sam
Although, that's not the room's main purpose.
 
@Sam it would've been better if it was named or tagged properly.. I tried to search with review/edit/moderator.. and just found this room.
 
Sam
Yeah, I guess so.
 
@NathanOliver No, I switched out string manipulation for StringBuilder and it now runs in under a second
 
user3956566
4:11 PM
I need 40 more views to get a badge
 
One thing I do for changes to Answers is this. If, after looking at the current Question in relation to edits, if the answer to review or change is problematic and the rep of guy is low or whatever (or if I have established some repor (sp?) with a high rank Answer guy), I will just go in and make the edit. Otherwise I comment under the thing.
 
@DavidG Nice. That is just about the same thing I did.
 
Alright, thank you guys.. I really appreciate your insights.. I have to wait till Jan 8 to do any more reviews unfortunately..
 
so basically I only make changes to code or accept them if it is a complete slam dunk
 
user3956566
@Phani never mind, nice to meet you :)
 
4:12 PM
@NathanOliver @rene's code was almost identical to mine too
 
JAL
@Phani Audits suck, I just had an extended review ban. I feel ya
 
@DavidG You know what they say about great minds ;)
 
@JAL +1
@MrsEd me too..
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, we must all drink the same amount of alcohol
 
user3956566
@DavidG I should do that
 
user3956566
4:13 PM
I gotta work on a wp site
 
user3956566
it's terrible
 
php!!!! amg panic!!!
 
@DavidG I can neither confirm or deny alcohol consumption
 
user3956566
why do you think I'm here and posting meta Q and A
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver you should be a politician! or an fbi agent
 
4:14 PM
lol
 
@NathanOliver If you deny it, it probably means you're too drunk to answer the question properly
 
Sam
@DavidG For your own safety, panicking has been prohibited. You may, however, scream while running in circles.
 
I can honestly deny it, and I think I need to reconsider my choice in such matters
 
user3956566
@DavidG only if he says, I cab neever dofirm it on coneye alkeehull sumshon
 
user3956566
^^ that's an online drunk impersonation
 
user3956566
4:16 PM
@Drew same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
@alirezasafian I went with lacks MCVE
 
@NathanOliver Okay, tnx
 
Sam
What's going on with this user? I just deleted one of his answers in the LQPQ, went to check his profile, and he's posted the exact same "answer" twice on math.se.
 
@Sam I think he's saying that the questions asked are actually from a contest in progress
 
I looks like he does not want people getting help with code chef problems.
I would just NAA them.
 
Sam
4:23 PM
Yeah.
Well, the SO one's been taken care of.
 
JAL
^ q should be closed as too broad/pob
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver closed
 
@MrsEd You do not need to reply with that. All closed request get moved occasionally from the room.
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver ok :)
 
@SmokeDetector that some nice answer
 
Sam
@NathanOliver Wouldn't it be better to just delete the message (if within the grace period, obviously)?
 
@Sam The close request?
 
Sam
Yes.
 
@Sam I don't think so. if anyone questions it we have a record of the close request. If we delete it then we lose the history.
 
Sam
@NathanOliver Fair point.
 
4:32 PM
mcve @alirezasafian
 
@alirezasafian I chose lacks MCVE for that as there is nothing we can do to help until we see the code.
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver same
 
@Drew @NathanOliver noted
 
5:05 PM
afk
 
5:23 PM
Thursday is a quiet spam day it seems
edited it out
 
that guy sounded happy
 
@Mogsdad Wouldn't How do I "send an authenticated GET request"? be too broad and not a resource request?
 
user4639281
^^^ Agree
 
@NathanOliver Maybe... but when they start by stating "with no programming knowledge", I don't think they want HOW.
 
user4639281
Yeah, I can see that too.
 
JAL
5:35 PM
it's one of those "not explicitly a tool req" questions but broad enough to attract tool answers
 
Well I went with too broad. Anyone else can vote as they see fit.
 
JAL
oh i'm not questioning your vote, just saying how i see it
How was this edit approved? It changes the answer: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/10317694
also should this be closed as too broad? stackoverflow.com/questions/8083138/…
 
@JAL That might need a mod flag as the reviewers allowed the behavior of the code to be change. As for the closure: meh..
 
JAL
@NathanOliver Didn't realize I could do that. Is a mod flag appropriate for a single edit like that?
I can follow up with a mod when one comes back into the room
 
@JAL I think that might be best
 
5:41 PM
@JAL There's a clue in the other answer.
 
@JAL Check a section of the users review history, if it looks bad flag one of the edits for a mod so those users can be given a "rest" from the review queues.
 
I just fell the users need to be looked at
 
JAL
I see, but that edit still deviates from the author's original intent
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, look at the ratios...
 
JAL
ok i mod flagged. what the heck, i'm not afraid of declined flags
will report back if it is handled
 
5:49 PM
Good luck :)
 
@JAL My workflow for these situations is check if the reviewers have any other recent bad reviews or have all approves. If they do then mod flag and explain why/link to any questionable reviews. Then roll back the edit.
 
JAL
i should have done more digging, but it appears that the users did approve a lot of edits. I don't want to touch the post until i hear back from a mod
 
I've investigated several users with mostly approvals in their review histories, without finding anything suspect. My theory is that some users are cautious and only picking reviews that are straightforward (i.e. obviously approvable), until they acquire enough experience and confidence to start rejecting. I think that's what I did when I gained access to new review queues.
 
user4639281
There are many users that do that.
 
user4639281
Robo-reviewers in the suggested edit queue don't auto-approve.
 
user4639281
6:00 PM
They auto-reject, because there are no known-good suggested edit audits.
 
user4639281
There are only-known bad suggested edit audits.
 
JAL
Can you imagine if there were good edit audits? Meta would go up in flames
 
user4639281
So if a reviewer clicks only reject on every review, they will never fail an audit.
 
user4639281
The ones that approve everything they see usually actually think that they are helping.
 
user4639281
The problem is getting the correct information to those users.
 
user4639281
6:03 PM
(or they skip anything that isn't obviously good)
 
I had a comment on that in Meta. People have strong feelings about sending a message directly to a user
I am all for it
 
user3956566
hi @TinyGiant
 
@JAL I don't know the subject of the post, but to me it look like a bug fix rather than changing the meaning of the answer. But I really have no idea what's what.
 
user4639281
Hi @MrsEd
 
user3956566
 
JAL
6:06 PM
brb getting lunch
 
user3956566
@JAL enjoy
 
user3956566
I will skip edits I think are ok and reject ones I think are not
 
user3956566
to stop auto reviewers allowing bad edits through
 
user3956566
I've got a particular bug bear about tag only edits meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/309667/…
 
user3956566
@EdCottrell hi o/
 
6:07 PM
\o
 
user4639281
o/
 
well if the tag gets eyes, and it is an old post. But often it is useless
 
\o/
 
user3956566
@Thaillie /o\
 
user3956566
that's a handstand
 
user3956566
6:08 PM
hi @TinyGiant I did something sensible meta.stackexchange.com/a/270625/310756
 
@MrsEd Yup, I read that.
 
user3956566
@NisseEngström which one?
 
@MrsEd The question you linked to.
 
@MrsEd grumble grumble wrong spelling of center grumble grumble
 
user3956566
@NisseEngström yep I worked it out
 
user3956566
6:10 PM
@gunr2171 no right spelling of centre and behaviour LOLOL
 
user4639281
@MrsEd sensible.
 
@gunr2171 grumble grumble silly people on the wrong side of the ocean thinking centre is spelled center grumble grumble
2
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant makes a nice change from hot headed
 
@DavidG grumble grumble you can't use "colour" in css grumble
3
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 hahahaha or centre
 
6:12 PM
@gunr2171 Er.. wanna bet?
 
7
Q: British english or American english, HTML

doNotCheckMyBlogI was writing code and tried to align image in centre(spelled in british english) align='centre' above didn't work!! There is no spelling mistake, above spelled word meaning is "middle" when I wrote align='center' it worked, Does this mean HTML is written in "American English"? EDIT aft...

because 'merica
 
Spiffing!
 
we won the war, get over it
 
user3956566
One day gunr was caught grumbling.
Grimming and grimmbling and rumbling.
Twas all about a word,
and what was absurd,
was for a dictionary we all were fumbling.
 
user3956566
@Drew which particular war? there's been a few lol
 
user4639281
6:17 PM
@gunr2171 MURIKUH!!!
 
user4639281
@Drew War of 1812, in your face.
 
What'm I doing here anyway? I was heading for the other tab to get some reviewing done..
 
@NisseEngström oh, are we distracting you?
@NisseEngström wouldn't want that to happen
</back to work>
 
@gunr2171 No, I'm distracting myself.
 
user3956566
@NisseEngström it's an endless loop
 
user3956566
6:19 PM
can't get out
 
user4639281
@NisseEngström ... what? never mind.
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 yeh, that means we get double the vocab
 
user4639281
Hey @Ike
 
JAL
back
 
Sam
front
 
6:28 PM
black
 
JAL
not this again
lol
 
user4639281
blank
 
I'm in a very "yeah whatever" mood today, I can't get any work done
 
As long as you got the advent done your good ;)
 
user4639281
lol
 
6:30 PM
that I did
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 same
 
today's was easy
 
Yeah. A lot better than day 7. I still haven't sat down and got that running.
 
day 7, the wire one was the hardest I think
 
JAL
@gunr new nsilt video youtube.com/watch?v=snp7c5efEuY
@Kyll & @allTF2Players ^
 
6:32 PM
@JAL Already watched, I'm subscribed to that channel =p
 
JAL
same
 
Guys, quick question. Did anyone solve Day 9 in a non-brute force way?
 
@Drew No? Why would you want that?
 
@Tunaki nope
 
@Tunaki I did not
 
6:41 PM
@NathanOliver just for the fun of it
I looked it up and apparently it is called a Hamiltonian Path
 
@Tunaki That one for drew. I edited it
 
@NathanOliver oh sorry :)
but there are really no simple implementation of it
 
@Tunaki I thought it was called the Traveling Salesman problem? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_salesman_problem
 
@gunr2171 not exactly because you have to back to the first point right?
 
AFAIK day 9 is an NP complete problem which requires the evaluation of all possibilities.
 
6:44 PM
eh, close enough
 
And I'm not sure if this problem requires to visit every node just once
 
it is
 
oh okay
Well, I guess I'll brute force it
:D
@NathanOliver I guess you're right
 
JAL
i don't do advent, is this a shortest path problem?
or something like the bridges of konigsberg
 
@JAL shortest path to visit each node only visiting each node once.
 
6:50 PM
afk
 
JAL
ah cool
thanks Nathan
 
user3956566
I gotta go
 
user3956566
it's nearly 6am
 
Later
 
user3956566
ciao
 
Sam
6:53 PM
Cya
 
Bye
 
Bye
 
JAL
new "poo" (as @Mogsdad would say) in here, but not sure the question should be closed. Thoughts? stackoverflow.com/q/33842693/2415822
 
@JAL So many NAA
 
JAL
7:04 PM
@Kyll free flags!
 
@JAL ©
2
 
@JAL There's not actually a question there, and the real answer is probably "wait for iTunes Connect/your network/your ISP to stop being broken", with a smattering of "have you tried turning it off an on?"
 
JAL
@PaulRoub agree, flag as no repro?
 
Unclear or too broad?
 
@JAL Really any of those work.
 
7:10 PM
With Extreme Prejudice.
 
JAL
unclear is good
 
Any idea why there are so many NAA just today, on a post that's been there since last month?
 
@MaximillianLaumeister Maybe iTunes Connect is misbehaving again, and people are Googling the error message?
 
Oh, that makes sense
 
JAL
Yeah best guess is iTunes Connect is down. Apple gets cranky around the holiday and there's a period where they stop app store submissions all together before Christmas
 
7:17 PM
@LynnCrumbling aren't you voting on your own request?
 
Sorry, got distracted by yours :)
 
sure let that be the reason !
 
Trying to understand what that guy actually wants.
 
when you find out let us know :P
 
Something scripted that puts up an instance?
I'm confused.
 
7:19 PM
> I am new in programming and this is my first task
My first task was writing "Hello World!" in C without my whole IDE crashing
 
JAL
lol
 
@Drew Voted :P
 
JAL
we didn't even use an ide
the professor really pushed vim
 
His world and in his head is not somewhere I want to be. I barely want to be in mine
 
that's why God unix devs invented vi :)
 
7:20 PM
Vim? Luxury!
 
JAL
actually nano was first
for the Java class. Then you could pick a text editor, and then Eclipse
in the C course, the professor pushed vi hard. Some people used Sublime though
 
I ♡ joe.
 
"Javaaa by Kaitlyn C"
Okay.
 
user4639281
@PaulRoub Gedit FTW
 
JAL
> I have already done alot and am now struggling.
 
user4639281
7:22 PM
Or Kate, depending on your desktop environment.
 
edlin. Or, I guess, BASICA
 
@LynnCrumbling Is it tp?
It's not spam, it's not offensive
 
I use edlin. A one-pass
 
JAL
Damn, I was going to do something witty like "Yeah, it means check the help center to learn how to ask"
 
@Kyll Odd. It's completely gone.
 
JAL
7:24 PM
removed by mod
 
Wait. Wrong q.
 
Shog9 deleted it
 
@Kyll Think I should change it to fpu ?
 
@NathanOliver Shog9 obliterated it you mean
@LynnCrumbling I don't know Shouldn't tpu/k be reserved for actual spam and offensive content?
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 45 secs ago, by Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.
@LynnCrumbling tpu should be used when you want to make sure the next post from the user will get reported.
 
user4639281
7:28 PM
^^^ That
 
@Kyll In this case, I'd think we'd want to know when that user puts something else up.
 
Oh.
Okay then
 
Thank you for asking, either way.
Now we both know for sure.
@Drew Whether in our area is officially going to go the route of freaky, this weekend.
 
JAL
is it supposed to snow?
 
@LynnCrumbling Whether?
 
7:38 PM
@LynnCrumbling I know, it is Spring
spring in december
 
nice
 
JAL
lol
 
Well
Goal achieved: Where he's going he's probably going to lose weight
 
Sam
Lol yep
Waffles
 

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