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1:00 PM
Refrigerator,
Holy giver of tasty,
Pizza, coffee, beer.
 
@Kyll do you mind if I use your screenshot in an MSE question I want to ask about those > 5 close voters?
 
Pizza, coffee, beer
But not in that order please
Just skip the coffee
 
user3956566
oh dang
 
@rene Sure, go ahead. We'll speak royalties later.
 
user3956566
crap window's open
chilled tendrils grasp bare ankles;
winter's cold has come.
 
user3956566
1:01 PM
I'm behind
 
Just skip the coffee,
What the hell are you crazy?
Or even human?
 
Good morning
 
SOCVR presents: Crossed haiku conversations
Plop Nathan!
 
Morning @NathanOliver o/
 
Or even human?
Asked the man who gets coffee
From inside his fridge
 
user3956566
1:03 PM
or even human
fingers dare to touch the hearth
fires burn bright tonight
 
user3956566
I give up LOL
 
xD
 
user3956566
hi o/
 
yo Nathan
 
I see we are having a poetry session again
 
1:03 PM
Hey
 
Hmm...Is there's anyway to sort the Bounty tab questions? Like sort by votes, bounty rep, etc.
 
The abominations don't even rhyme!!?
 
Hey
 
From inside his fridge,
For there lies special coffee,
Not your kind it seems
 
@KevinGuan press the button with the up/down arrows
 
user3956566
1:04 PM
from inside his fridge
unearthly cold bend it's will
to your knees you go
 
@KevinGuan Are you an the new nav?
 
user3956566
I've had enough of you two hahahaha
 
Poor @MrsEd, I'll let you take the next one
 
user3956566
@DavidG thanks bahahaha
 
1:05 PM
Fires burn bright tonight,
Gasoline all over here,
Destroying the room
 
@TimCastelijns ...what?
@NathanOliver nav ?
 
new navigation that you need to opt in
 
next to the Save button
 
user3956566
not your kind it seems
and what kind would that be then?
The mean and nasty?
 
user3956566
rene is going to kick us out
 
1:06 PM
@KevinGuan Does you screen look like this: i.stack.imgur.com/fBdEX.jpg
 
These new poems are confusing,
they seem to be called 'haiku'
if we can again do the other format we were using,
I'll be nice to all of you
 
2 days ago, by Kyll
@KevinGuan No idea what you're talking about
@NathanOliver Hmm...nope.
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns oky doky :)
 
user3956566
I'm trying to find a question to answer
 
1:11 PM
@NathanOliver Oh, so you mean the New Navigation in Edit Profile & Settings/Preferences tab. Yes I am.
 
@KevinGuan Then I am not sure if you can. If you go to you profile -> edit profile and settings -> preferences -> scroll down to New Navigation there is a check box to opt into the new navigation. It might not happen right away but eventually you should get to use the new navigation and then you can sort bountied question.
 
@NathanOliver too late :P. But my screen isn't look like that, don't know why :(
 
That just means you haven't been included in the test group yet. It took maybe 2 months for me to get in after I checked the check box.
 
Oh, see that:
> You are currently waiting to be part of the new navigation test group.
We allow people in batches to verify behavior under load, ....
 
I've been using new-nav for so long, I forgot it was once different
 
1:14 PM
I've not switched to new-nav
 
At first I didn't like it but now that I am using it I wont go back
 
I have switched back to old, since the mytags one was buggy as hell
 
Sam
Afternoon
(There, I remembered @Kyll :p)
 
Hello Sam o/
 
Plop!
 
1:23 PM
@Sam p!
 
Yo
 
Sam
Hi all
 
Hey
 
Plop
 
1:30 PM
morning!
 
Morning
 
user3956566
hi
 
Sam
Morning
 
It does seem like one of them should be duped to the other, but they're old, highly-viewed, highly-voted, so I didn't just want to blindly hammer one.
The first one is newer and shorter, the second one is a month older and more-detailed -- although it should probably have some off-topic-ness edited out ("what should I prefer" -> "what are the differences"). Someone has already commented on the newer one, linking to the older one for a "full example", so that's probably the way to go.
Thoughts?
 
user3956566
1:35 PM
I'd make this stackoverflow.com/questions/4090518/… the original
 
user3956566
it's earlier and more votes on q and accepted a
 
@PaulRoub Very true, so I didn't cast any close votes.
 
@PaulRoub how about merging?
 
@MrsEd That's what I said.
 
user3956566
@rene how do you do that?
 
user3956566
1:36 PM
first time I've heard about this here
 
@rene Can we merge two questions?
 
That would require a mod flag but it can be done
 
@rene I don't know that there's anything in the newer one that isn't explained in the older. This isn't an epic-length topic with a million corner cases.
 
Huh? Only know that we can merge accounts.
 
user3956566
what happens when they merge?
 
1:38 PM
5
Q: What are merged questions?

gerritI've seen some posts about merged questions on Meta Stack Overflow. What are merged questions, who can merge questions and what is the policy around this? What happens to reputation on questions and answers for merged questions? Is this similar to closing? Can users vote to merge and unmerge or i...

Found it
 
user3956566
I agree @rene. I think a merge would be suitable
 
@PaulRoub OK, I agree with your suggestion after looking at the questions.
 
@rene i had a mod decline my request for a question merge a few weeks ago. said i needed to make a meta post about it first.
 
@cimmanon Oh ... then we go the dupe route
 
@cimmanon So that mod isn't sure about that?
 
1:42 PM
@KevinGuan no idea. the questions are identical. i tried to close one as a duplicate of the other when one of them was new, but the original didnt have any upvoted/accepted answers (mine was the only answer).
 
BTW, my message:
5 hours ago, by Kevin Guan
Hmm...this is a dupe of this.
 
user3956566
are you people alright with me asking on meta?
 
to add insult to injury, people started voting to close the original as a duplicate of the newer question
 
@cimmanon Hmm...did you ask a question on meta?
 
@KevinGuan for what?
 
1:44 PM
stackoverflow.com/q/34203330/3933332 lol OP even edited the question in the grace period with "solved"
 
@cimmanon As that mod suggested, ask a meta question about it.
 
oh, no not yet
 
> List<ObjectError> erros = new ArrayList<ObjectError>();
rage increasing
 
@PaulRoub Good.
@MrsEd No need now :P
 
Sam
1:46 PM
@gunr2171 ...
 
@KevinGuan Good catch in the first place.
 
@gunr2171 If it compiles .... ship it...
 
then blow up that ship when it reaches international waters
 
@MrsEd You certainly can - although I'm still not sure this question has the depth to merit it. But if Meta is on board, I'm sure closed-as-duplicate wouldn't prevent a merge.
 
@PaulRoub Hmm...agreed.
 
user3956566
@PaulRoub I've used it as an example to ask the question to find out exactly what we are supposed to do
 
Sam
@rene Ah, so shog finally did it.
reading
 
@MrsEd Hmm...is that title clear? I think Requesting question merges isn't a good title in this case.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan feel free to suggest an edit/ or edit
 
What is the correct procedure for requesting two questions to be merged?
 
1:52 PM
@MrsEd Don't look at me, my English is the worst here :(
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan I wasn't looking at you O<O hehe your English is fine
 
Maybe replace the SOCVR chat link with that bookmark thingy of those messages?
 
user3956566
@Thaillie now I'm needing help.. are you able to assist?
 
user3956566
please
 
@MrsEd Why? just create a bookmark via click room > create new bookmark on the right side.
 
1:55 PM
Anyone doing/done today's code challenge?
 
@MrsEd Sometimes :P
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan would you mind doing it?
 
No problem, wait me.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan thank you! :)
 
@DavidG not yet
I will be getting to it shortly
 
user3956566
1:57 PM
@PaulRoub thanks for that!
 
user3956566
now I need to learn how to do it
 
@NathanOliver My code is... er... taking a while to complete part 2
 
user3956566
anyone who wants to improve it, feel free
 
What's a good name for that bookmark?
 
user3956566
ah permalink!
 
1:59 PM
My one-box for the day. Seems worthy.
 
user3956566
@PaulRoub thanks for being so helpful!
 
Hmm...I mean that Give the conversation a title:
Use what?
 
@DavidG currently working on
 
@MrsEd Perhaps the title should be "can we merge these questions" rather than "what is the procedure..."?
@gunr2171 Part 1 or 2?
 
user3956566
@DavidG no, because we are unsure if we should flag or post on meta
 
2:00 PM
@DavidG just started part 1
 
@KevinGuan Discussion "how to request question merging"?
 
@MrsEd Then it's a dupe as @LynnCrumbling suggests?
 
user3956566
@cimmanon had a flag for a merge declined saying that it required a meta discussion first
 
@DavidG That would certainly avoid being possibly flagged as dup.
I haven't flagged yet; don't want to see it get killed...
 
user3956566
@DavidG that's not actually the point of the question, the question is asking how to we ask for merge requests
 
2:02 PM
sec, i will get a screenshot for you
 
If you're looking to establish procedure, that other question attempted to ask that.
 
@MrsEd Isn't that the same as the other question which is titled "How to merge duplicate questions"?
 
And a user commented:
You should flag a moderator who will merge the answers of the two questions — Mr. Alien Jul 3 '14 at 15:24
 

Discussion "How to request question merging"

28 mins ago, 13 minutes total – 46 messages, 10 users, 2 stars

Bookmarked 5 secs ago by Kevin Guan

Done
 
@KevinGuan Cool. Didn't realize that was a thing.
 
2:03 PM
:P
 
user3956566
@cimmanon do you want to put your flag in the question?
 
yeah
 
user3956566
@DavidG yes it is, so I edited it to say why we asked it again, cos we are confused
 
user3956566
should I make it a wiki? It's been a team effort
 
Okay, it's time to sleep. So I can only check the result tomorrow. Plop Everyone!
@Kyll There's a typo in your message :P
 
user3956566
2:06 PM
@KevinGuan night Kev :)
 
@MrsEd Nah. Your idea, your post. We're just polishing it up a bit.
 
user3956566
sleep well
 
Sam
Night
 
user3956566
@cimmanon thnx :)
 
2:07 PM
Wait - the mod is saying to close it first?
 
note that in my particular instance, i would have a binding vote on closing as a duplicate (gold badge)
 
@cimmanon And based on the mod's tone, a dupehammer is not what they're looking to see...
 
user3956566
yeh, either way it doesn't make sense.
 
@PaulRoub That's not spam, so it should be fp :)
Really go to sleep now.
 
user3956566
2:12 PM
I actually flagged the answer as NAA
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan I just realised you're still here! night, see you tomorrow
 
@MrsEd :P
@MrsEd But Smokey was talking about that question. And Cya tomorrow.
 
Sam
@gunr2171 :D
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan :)
 
Sam
2:13 PM
Oh hey, speaking of plugins.
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 I love it and also out of that can come all sorts of commitment jokes ;)
 
Sam
Weren't we going to use a plugin (or something) to patch the assembly info file(s)? (Regarding the versioning.)
 
@Sam we can, I'm still working on a better jenkins system for work
@DavidG did you get part 1 done yet?
 
Sam
Ok
 
@gunr2171 Yeah, my code is clearly terribly inefficient though
 
2:16 PM
@DavidG is the string super long? Mine is and I can't submit the answer. I'm assuming that's wrong
 
@gunr2171 My answer for part 1 is 252594. I can tell you that as everyone gets different inputs :)
 
hum....
let me commit, if you can give me a hint about what I'm doing wrong
 
Don't forget the question is "What is the length of the result?"
 
oh
crud
 
Yeah, otherwise it's a quarter million chars long :)
 
2:18 PM
oh look, I got the right answer!
durp
ok, on to part 2. this is what i have for part 1, if that's more/less efficient than what you have
 
I stupidly didn't use StringBuilder so part 2 took an hour to get to 48, so I stopped it, swapped in SrtingBuilder and it completes 50 in 1 second
 
Allocations do hurt ...
 
Silly immutability!
 
and done with part 2, woot!
 
@gunr2171 I think your code is essentially identical to mine
 
2:27 PM
ugh, I'm against using .ForEach, but yeah, basicly the same thing
 
I started doing something different then couldn't be bothered to type out a for loop :)
 
StringBuilder.Append accepts an int, so you don't need to .ToString() it
 
back
 
@NathanOliver what color clothes are the wearing?
 
@gunr2171 Yeah, I should also move the prevChar = c into the else block.
 
2:29 PM
@gunr2171 um.. blue and white
 
JAL
morning all
 
Sam
Hey
 
Morning JAL o/
 
hola
 
2:30 PM
yo JAL
 
@NathanOliver I am such disappoint
 
@gunr2171 Why?
 
JAL
how's everyone doing today?
 
good. You?
 
JAL
2:31 PM
unless they're "back" "to the future"
 
@gunr2171 lol. how long have you been planning that?
 
too long
 
Hey, I got to use a famous Red vs Blue quote on my co-worker yesterday. I've been waiting years for that!
 
JAL
wow, rvb
I had the "official" season 1 and 2 dvd sets
 
2:34 PM
Church: Thanks for the support Grif. Way to be a team player.
Grif: Hey, I've got to think about myself here.
Church: There's no "I" in team Grif.
Grif: Yeah, there's no "U" either. So I guess if I'm not on the team and you're not on the team, then nobody's on the goddamned team! The team sucks!
 
so as @Mogsdad shown, the pony I'm asking for indeed exists, and happens to be very well and sound. — Artur 6 hours ago
 
actually scratch that
 
@TylerH I was going to say...
 
@gunr2171 What's Red vs Blue?
 
2:36 PM
Red vs. Blue, often abbreviated as RvB, is an American comic science fiction video web series created by Burnie Burns with his production company Rooster Teeth Productions. The show is distributed through the Internet on Rooster Teeth's website, as well as on DVD and Blu-ray. The story centers on two opposing teams of soldiers fighting a civil war in the middle of a desolate box canyon (Blood Gulch), in a parody of first-person shooter (FPS) games, military life, and science fiction films. Initially intended to be a short series of six to eight episodes, the project quickly and unexpectedly achieved...
 
Great name, can we get him to join the room?
 
@Mogsdad I got hung up on the line "Is there a tool or resource that..."
 
@TylerH Well, keep an eye on it, because it's likely to get attention soon.
 
I edited it to make it a little better
 
I hope the guy finds a solution :P
 
2:42 PM
@TinyGiant & other ROs... WRT the Recent unclosed close vote requests, is there a recommendation for removing the older closed / deleted questions that are not getting removed by the daily script? Should we post permalinks here?
 
I don't feel that is needed. Aren't those to be considered as age-ing away?
Unless I misunderstand your question
So I'm fine having the non-closed cv-pls in our transcript if that is the point.
 
The list has 1500+ hits in it. I'm trying to spend close votes on them, but with the oldest ones votes have either aged off or the questions were closed. Some deleted. Some were even improved, and don't deserve closing anymore. It makes that list very hard to use.
 
I certainly understand and would like to mirror that activity Mogs
 
Nice edit, @rene!
 
the script did it ...
 
2:47 PM
@Mogsdad sounds like you expect it to work like the CV queue
 
Assuming all of you were eager to edit...
 
@gunr2171 kinda sorta
 
Given that the list is called "Recent..." perhaps we can at least archive very old ones?
 
@rene Script?
 
2:48 PM
@DavidG THAT would be the simplest solution!
 
Anything older than the time it takes for votes to expire is redundant right?
 
Likely
 
I'd say that if the request is (let's just say) 5 days old, archive it
 
What's the vote expiry time again?
 
14 days?
 
Sam
2:49 PM
4 days
 
In the mean time, I'll revert to the new end of the list and work backwards in time, instead of the other way around.
 
Sam
if the post has <100 views, they don't expire (iirc).
 
@Sam wait, I thought that changed
(quick, to meta!)
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Well that's what's in the priv description.
 
78
Q: Age close votes after 14 days, regardless of views, allowing recasting

Shog9I've been putting this off for a long time... Close vote aging - the deactivation of votes that haven't resulted in a question being closed - is a critical part of the vote-to-close system, but has something of a troubled history: all too often, it has been more annoying than useful, capricious...

 
2:51 PM
 
Sam
Right, and it's live.
So the desc is wrong.
 
@Sam scattered and incorrect documentation? What did you expect?
 
Sam
It's kinda funny how SO are putting together a SO Docs, yet their own docs are messed up.
 
cobbler's children have no shoes
 
SmokeDetector tp-
 
2:58 PM
I would think that the cv-request-graveyard holds the posts that were cv-pls-ed in the room and successful closed when checked. So cv-pls that are still in our transcript but not closed are fine, they are not handled and probably will never be handled but we don't care. This is my (maybe harsh) view on it, please feel free to comment @Mogsdad
 
@JarrodRoberson What about it?
 
Hi @JarrodRoberson what do you want us to do with that link?
 
user177800
 
user177800
sorry premature [ENTER] key
 
3:03 PM
@rene The intent of starring that search was to make it easier to locate requests which we'd previously missed, rather than scanning the entire transcript. With all the aged questions though, it's less helpful for that particular purpose. (Although some requests will continue to age out if there isn't quorum on their closure.)
 
@JarrodRoberson Do you mind if I call that dupe a bit far stretched? On an abstract level you're probably right but the reason innerWidth exists in two forms is much different. But I'm not a JS dev so...
 
user177800
no innerWidth without () is a function reference
 
user177800
in the context it is being asked
 
user177800
but you opinion is your own
 
still depends if the OP is on a dom object or jquery object
anyway, have my vote ;)
@Mogsdad OK, so you're requesting that we clean-up cv-pls more aggressively? Which criteria would be needed to add?
 
user3956566
3:09 PM
well this is my best effort meta.stackexchange.com/a/270625/310756
 
@rene This was discussed 2d (3d?) ago - it's not my request.
 
guy can still be identified in the profile picture @MrsEd
 
Not sure if OP is angry or agreeing with me stackoverflow.com/questions/34175476/… (10k only)
 
oh wow, I just found the first chat message I said here chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570/2014/9/30
 
user3956566
@Drew oh ok
 
user3956566
3:12 PM
do you kn who it is>
 
user3956566
?
 
no but could
 
@Mogsdad OK, I'll revisit what we agreed on with the other RO's. Maybe I missed stuff.
 
just don't wanna spend a minute to find out
 
@MrsEd Yup, it's rene
 
user3956566
3:13 PM
hehe I picked the least likely person I'd block
 
You're saying that you'd block me?! /gasp
 
user3956566
@DavidG hahaha
 
^ that OP also asks for a best practice which is POB
 
user3956566
nah rene being RO and such a strong advocate on SO and being a flower and all
 
@rene Alternatively, is there any way to date-limit a chat search? If so, that would serve nicely.
 
3:15 PM
@MrsEd A special flower...
 
user3956566
a petal, like all of us
 
@Mogsdad we could make our own cv-backlog like PHP has
 
I'm no petal, I'm a thorn
 
user3956566
@DavidG nah, you can't fool me
 
user3956566
I've jsut got to go and figure out how to change my answer to this. stackoverflow.com/questions/34202614/… It's actually quite an interesting piece of code
 
3:19 PM
We could, yeah. One more thing to manage. But here's my current workflow...
1. Click the pinned Recent unclosed close vote requests link.
2. Select a number of requests from the search results.
3. Use Paul's "Open Multiple Question Links" userscript context menu to open those questions in their own tabs. (I mod'd to work on `*://chat.stackoverflow.com/search*`.)
4. Review (as if it's the cv queue).
 
OK, and then what breaks in that flow?
Because it doesn't seem unreasonable to support that workflow
 
@rene Despite the attempt TG made to remove all the fulfilled legacy requests, many of the oldest remain. (Maybe because they are also closed, which the trash script may not consider.) Very old requests now have 0 votes on them, so we're starting over on them if that's what we choose to do. Clarifying the target list of legacy cv-pls requests would help avoid continuing a cycle of fading cv's.
 
Ah, OK, and you're going from oldest to newest. I might have to reconsider my position on that then.
I'll give that some brain-time.
 
3:41 PM
I want to make a pithy joke about that line but nothing comes to mind
 
Looks like someone is doing a one-person burnination of . There's a meta post on it. (This has cleared close votes on questions.)
 
I'm trying to understand the issue with approval of these edits. Can someone please explan what's going on?
http://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/10465445 http://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/10466274
 
@Phani the second one looks like it broke code formatting
 
JAL
@Phani The first one looks like it is addressing problems with the answer and should be a comment rather than an edit which deviates from the author's original intent
 
(other than that, I can't comment. I would skip them both)
 
3:51 PM
I;m with JAL on the first one
 
user3956566
@Phani changing the answer
 
For the second one, two people who approved the edits after me.. as far as I remember the edit didn't have any issue with code formatting.. am not sure how do we identify what has been the state of the question after an edit is approved and followed by an edit again?
 
user3956566
@Phani the suggested edits are changing the code, you can't do that. if it's a question, then the problem may be solved in the edit, if it's an answer, it's changing the intention of the answer
 
@gunr2171 @rene Please remove this request from the transcript. The question was closed, edited, and reopened.
 
That second one looks like it's removing code formatting.
 
3:54 PM
@Mogsdad I don't know how to migrate messages that are that old
 
user3956566
ListView listView = (ListView) findViewById(R.id.listview1); ml.createListView(listView); the second one, they're creating a local variable. and changing it's name, which totally changes the code
 
@Mogsdad Should a low rep user who can't instant edit questions do a burnination?
 
@Mogsdad Surely we shouldn't be having to deal with those sorts of things now? Perhaps this is a perfect reason to blitz the old cv requests and start with, say, the last month or so only?
 
@Thaillie NNNOOOOOOOO (sorry, but true)
> Now you're ready to actually remove the tag wholesale from a whole bunch of questions. Caveat: don't bother with this unless you have full editing rights. Seriously - it's just a waste of everyone's time, because at this stage all that's left is mindless retagging - and for every question you mindlessly retag, at least three other people with full editing rights will have to approve your edit.
 
@DavidG That was last week.
 
3:55 PM
@Thaillie Burnation should not be done by anyone without full edit rights
 
@MrsEd Is it a control in place where if a reviewer isn't clear if with update of solution would make any difference ? So is the reviewer should skip to next question??
 
user3956566
@Phani definitely
 
@phani, the 2nd one was David Fang's answer. There were approvals, incl your own, a Community reject and Edit, and then the Owner (David Fang) came by and cleaned it up
maybe I am stating the obvious
 
user3956566
2
Q: Is a good looking question enough reason to flag it as "Looks OK" In triage

MagischI have recently gained access to reviewing Triage and the other 500 rep queues. I've been doing quite a few in the last 3 days as a result of that. Now the point of triage is to determine wether a question is good enough or needs editing. Personally, I have no clue about a good few of tags on ...

 
3:57 PM
@gunr2171 Should someone write a comment for him to stop him from flooding the edit queue?
 
user3956566
@Drew the second one presumed to change the code, and added a missing brace
 
JAL
Need one more vote to close the off-site resource request above please
 
user3956566
@Thaillie I hate when people grab for rep doing loads of tag edits
 
user3956566
@JAL already voted
 
JAL
thanks
it's closed now
 
3:59 PM
@MrsEd I am staying high level clearly. I am not sure what level the ? is from Phani
 
user3956566
@Phani the meta question above ^^^
 
user3956566
@Drew huh? lol
 
@MrsEd He almost tripled his rep with only the burnination
 
JAL
I think I found an impostor rene: stackoverflow.com/a/1519615/2415822
 
user3956566
@Thaillie go for it, I do
 
3:59 PM
@Luuklag, have you read the bottom of this post? It's great that you are helping, but keep note of the amount of strain you are putting on the suggested edit queue. — gunr2171 30 secs ago
 

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