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Ha!.. of course there is one :)
 
9:39 PM
@VLAZ Beer, actually. But when I do wine, I prefer a strong red. My favorite is a spiced red, but those are mostly seasonal (at least here in the US).
@Scratte Expected that to be a rick-roll...
 
but you clicked anyway? :)
 
Yes, because I determined the URL wasn't to a video.
 
@ElectionBot how are you tody ?
 
@pippo1980 good, and you?
 
Fine thanks, how many voters si far
 
9:42 PM
Based on the number of Constituent badges awarded, 27,267 (3.26% of 835,622 eligible) users have voted so far.
 
That s not good at all !! Isn’t it ?
 
@CodyGray cody, hellooo 🤗
 
@ElectionBot ?? You there ?? Always loosing it
 
Houston, we have a problem.
 
@pippo1980 Last year, 32,225 of 750,753 eligible users voted. So... you tell me.
 
9:44 PM
There's an entire discussion about that percentage earlier in the transcript :)
 
Was trying to have a chat EB
 
@Scratte And a more interesting discussion about food.
 
I’ll change topic
 
Yeah, rude of you two to interfere with the dialog there.
 
Yes, of course :) Food and wine :)
 
9:45 PM
@ElectionBot what food do you fa our with red wine ?
 
Better than food and whine
 
Tell that to the aliens.
 
So, aliens go well with red wine.
 
@ElectionBot and with beers ??
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
9:46 PM
Yep sure
 
Tell that to the aliens !!
 
Where do we find the aliens?
 
Depends on what kind of aliens
 
@ElectionBot where are the aliens?
 
9:48 PM
Any kind will do, I think.
 
Anybody ever saw/seen the movie ‘Australiens’ not as good as ‘birds mics’ but quite good
 
I suppose you'll find at least one tea-drinking one in New York.
 
@Scratte Bloody aliens.
 
They have torches too..
 
Bot, why Cody didn't forgive me?
 
9:51 PM
What am I supposed to forgive?
 
Because i offended you with annoying :(
 
@manro Did you mean to ask an oracle?
 
What about blacksheep the one from New Zealand with vampire-sheeps ?
 
I'm annoyed by a lot of things.
3
 
@ElectionBot Whoever made you do this.. don't listen to them again :)
 
9:53 PM
Zombeavers ??
 
@ElectionBot Who gave @Zoe the keys to the bot?
 
@ElectionBot Rick Astley is cooler :)
 
@electionbot tone = sarcastic
 
But in the future you will forgive me?
 
Zoe
@RyanM Dunno what you're talking about
 
Rob
9:55 PM
@Scratte Not sure how Oleg came up with 43.6% but it's significantly lower than that
 
@ElectionBot mode = hilarious
 
Rob
I don't know if we're allowed to share the exact numbers, but it's less than 10%
 
I think the whole calculation was done just before they said that.
 
@CodyGray If you weren't annoyed, then you'd be upset (that there was nothing to be annoyed about).
 
closer to 10% of active eligible?
 
9:56 PM
@RyanM Plot twist, there was no bot ever. It was just a long ploy by Zoe posting as a sock.
 
Is Electionbot rebooting??
 
@Scratte note that's of those who can nominate (3K+). The stats are more modest if we count only those eligible to vote and active ~10%
@Rob see above :)
 
@Rob He was calculating "active" users somehow, not merely eligible users.
 
@manro Zoe may forgive, but I doubt she'd forget.
 
@AdrianMole I have previously been both of those at the same time.
 
9:57 PM
@Zoe C'mon, I've even got screenshots: i.stack.imgur.com/rCkrL.png
 
Zoe
Nice try :p
 
@RyanM I'm unimaginably angry with you.
 
Rob
@OlegValter Ah, I missed the part above, but the following estimates are more accurate
Not even half the eligible people who viewed the election voted
 
@Spevacus Couldn't resist :-)
 
Rob
But I suppose that tracks from the nomination phase as well
 
9:57 PM
Unbelievable :)
 
@AdrianMole i never talked with her.
 
So... who's got stats on which mods candidates haven't rick-rolled someone?
 
@CodyGray Wot? Neither annoyed nor upset? Somehow, I doubt this hypothesis.
 
@Rob yeah, sorry, I knew that this is going to cause confusion the second I posted about active users, so I made a set of follow-up clarifications
 
@AdrianMole Obviously I didn't say "neither"; I said "both". Don't be ridiculous!
 
9:58 PM
@CodyGray Stephen hasn't, to my knowledge.
 
Yes, there should be little overlap between the candidates who have posted nothing and the candidates who have posted a rick-roll.
 
@ElectionBot where are you?
 
@OlegValter I'm on the interwebs
 
@CodyGray I am ridiculous. Being ridiculous is what I am made to be. How can I not be ridiculous.
 
@AdrianMole You could just be not?
~Adrian
 
9:59 PM
@pippo1980 looks fine to me, any issues?
 
@CodyGray I'm suggesting that overlap exhausts the entire list of "nominees who haven't rickrolled anybody"
 
Anyway. My new vaper is ridiculous. It gurgles. I tried a different juice (raspberry ripple - cuz there was no cookie dough). It gurgles less, but still gurgles.
 
Ugh, vaping.
 
@OlegValter probably he has an anti-tamper protection
 
Better than smoking!
 
10:01 PM
I'll take someone vaping near me over smoking near me any day
 
Zoe
it actually isn't
 
Rob
@AdrianMole Usually means it's not getting hot enough or overfilled
 
It was cheap.
 
@RyanM That isn't the only choice
 
Isn’t SO a smoke free domain ?
 
10:02 PM
@AdrianMole What's the model?
 
All smoke should go to metasmoke.
 
Smoke comes out of the ears of the mod team sometimes.
 
@pippo1980 No. Do you know about Smoke Detector?
@CodyGray Ooo, ooh! My ears are alight! (Desmond Dekker and the Aces.)
 
@Zoe I think the English have documentation saying it is.
 
It could be worst !! It could be raining
 
10:04 PM
I like rain.. how is that worse?
 
it's bound to be raining somewhere
 
It's raining men, Hallelujah!
 
That would be... A terrifying sight, I imagine.
 
@Scratte Who are "the English"?
 
Well, I don't do either, personally. But I've had at least one occasion where a friend really wanted nicotine, and I was glad they chose to vape instead of smoking :-)
 
10:05 PM
It can’t rain forever
 
We are the English. You will be assimilated. Resistance is a word the Americans pronounce incorrectly.
 
@CodyGray I don't remember. Some part of the government did a really big study on it.
I could try to find it, but.. I'm a little busy.
 
@AdrianMole Wait, what? How do we mispronunciate it?
 
futile
 
Ha!
 
10:06 PM
So you're saying resistance isn't futile?
 
No. Just that Gringos can't say "futile".
 
Ahhhh, "fyoo-tile" vs "fyoo-tuhl"
 
it's not unsurprising for a study on the safety of a generally unregulated substance to find that in general it's unhealthy,
 
🚽
 
Though resistance was a French word
 
10:09 PM
Would toilets be considered a regulated substance?
 
Should be.
 
Regulated most commonly by Kevin, I would assume.
 
@Spevacus I mean...
 
Tilers are regiulated , they ‘ve got proper signing post and standard embossed pictograms
 
But the French were assimilated.
Je sais parce que j'étais là.
 
10:14 PM
That's very unprecise.. French is everywhere :)
 
imprecise
 
precisen't
 
Woo hoo - an American bird with attitude!
Hey - the gurgling's stopped.
@Scratte AEQ refillable pod thingy. I think it's sensitive to the nature of the juice.
 
@RyanM You could recommend a patch :-)
 
... diferent amounts of propylene glycol vs glycerin.
 
10:21 PM
@AdrianMole Never heard of it.. Did you bring it on a flight?
 
@AdrianMole They can't? How do you pronounce it?
 
@CodyGray few + tile
 
@AdrianMole That's how I pronounce it...
 
Doesn't rhyme with missile?
 
No
 
10:23 PM
@Scratte No. I bought it in a shop - first one I saw.
 
@AdrianMole Just don't get the wrong proportion of ethylene glycol
 
... after I bought my new shoes.
 
I guess I can make this joke with you, since you know better. Otherwise, I might kill someone.
 
@AdrianMole Put it upside down over night.. let the excess juice flow out.
 
@CodyGray Well, winter is approaching. Wouldn't want my juices to freeze.
 
10:24 PM
"juice"
I think y'all are using that word wrong.
None of these are natural liquids contained in fruits or vegetables.
 
I have a selection of juices. Raspberry Ripple, Tropical Mango and (surprisingly) Tobacco.
 
Do those contain actual raspberry and/or mango juice?
 
@CodyGray I'm pretty sure the nicotine comes from a plant ;)
 
^^ Almost certainly not.
@Scratte Plants make all the good chemicals.
 
@Scratte All the good teratogens do.
 
10:27 PM
Any kids I produce will be funny, with or without teratogens.
 
The election ends in 21 hours. The room will probably freeze soon unless someone starts a bot to keep randomly posting messages. Like ElectionBot's "This election is in the ____ phase" message.
 
So.. I expect you've gone with a glycerin percentage of lower than 50%? :)
 
@Someone_who_likes_SE Too many mods around for that to be effective against the room's closure.
 
@Someone_who_likes_SE Are any of the above ~150 messages anything other than random?
 
Non-deterministic?
 
10:29 PM
I knew you would say that.
 
So, you would say that you pre-determined it?
 
Nope. Clairvoyance.
 
At least I'm predictable
 
Well, sometimes.
But you do have the ability to surprise!
 
Huh
I find this difficult to believe :-)
 
10:32 PM
You've never surprised yourself?
 
On those rare occasions when you disagree with my (clearly indisputable) opinion.
 
I've been surprised by other people, but I can't say that I've ever surprised myself.
@AdrianMole Like when you write macros to do things that functions should do?
 
hehe - 15:0.
... I'm still thinking about how to 'rescue' that answer.
 
Is the only reason that warning is appearing because of that stupid "no reinterpret_cast ever" rule?
 
... probably just an edit to say: Don't do this!
 
10:35 PM
There's already a canonical saying "Turn off Stupid Rules(TM) in Visual Studio"
 
See Andrew's latest (?) post about that. He's now decided to globally disable it, after some discussion in chat (I linked our previous exchanges in here). I really think I should do something to that answer - maybe ask him to unaccept it, so I can just turn it pink, or just put a disclaimer in.
He always come across, to me, as a decent sort.
 
Yeah, he's a decent sort
I confess I don't follow all of his new questions, so I haven't seen this "latest post".
 
Well, it was the one that showed that my 'original' answer is broken.
... as you pointed out, I have to say.
Y'know - sometimes I try to help but get things wrong. That's life.
 
I wish I had the time to do all things
Alas, I don't even have the time to moderate, much less answer the MFC questions
 
Dharman would just delete your efforts.
I like MFC. Don't care if it's unfashionable.
 
10:44 PM
Well, I don't like MFC. But I love Win32, and MFC is the lowest barrier to entry there.
 
... or whatever I actually mean by "unfashionable".
 
It saves me a lot of time over writing the raw Win32 code, even though I can do that.
 
Yeah - it's a half-decent wrapper. Saves a lot of re-writing boilerplates.
Just old and poorly written.
 
Yeah, ATL/WTL are surely better in theory, but somehow worse in practice.
I started some time back writing my own modern C++ wrapper. Well, not "modern" in the sense of "complicated template magic", but modern in the sense of "elegant OO design".
Then I got a job, and I haven't been able to finish it yet. It's only partially complete.
 
I tried that, too. Every now and then I go back to it. Wastes a lot of other folks' time but I learn stuffs from doing it.
 
10:48 PM
How does it waste other folks' time?
 
They pay me to write working software. The esoteric pursuit of "purer" code doesn't (directly) impact their lives.
 
That's very wrong.
I maintain an extensive class library for the types of applications I do write. It saves me an inordinate amount of time for each new app, way more than the small amount of time it took to write each new function in a reusable way.
Plus, maintaining the class library means that all applications based on it benefit from a bug-fixes with a simple re-compile.
 
It's both wrong and right. I know that purer code will be better, in the long term. Most of my colleagues have no concern for any time-frame longer than ~2 years. I have an ongoing goal of 're-wrapping' MFC/WinAPI, so that my software is (ultimately) platform-independent. But why would those who all use Windows care about that?
 
Oh, my goal was never platform-independence.
Just an elegant, readable, extensible wrapper over Win32.
One that ensures the developer falls into the pit of success, rather than the pit of failure.
 
But, considering my original software was developed on Windows 98, then working on Windows 10 is almost a different platform. I'm still impressed with myself that that code (with a very few tweaks) still works, after over 20 years.
 
10:54 PM
That's not to the credit of your code, though, that's Win32.
 
A bit of both, maybe. Commercial software (like SigmaPlot) written 20 years ago is unlikely to work on present-day Windows OSes.
 
Why not?
 
Well, it doesn't.
 
If not, it's because they did something very wrong, like not writing correct Win32 code.
"The current version is 14.x for Windows 2000 to Windows 10."
The run-time libraries will start to interfere with downlevel version support long before correct Win32 code will.
You need the Visual Studio 2008 toolchain to officially target Windows 2000. (Although I have a workaround that works a treat in VS 2010 to target Win 2k.)
 
As a programmer, I can 'sense' the faults in the SigmaPlot code. Particularly how they handle automation/interaction with excel. Errors like (from memory): The operation cannot proceed because the other program is waiting for another program to respond.
 
10:58 PM
Oh, ugh.
That's not a Windows version problem, that's just bad coding.
 
Yep.
And the only way out is via the Task Manager.
 
Wow
It's an Excel add-in? If not, why not? If it's that dependent on Excel, it shouldn't be standalone.
 

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