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12:00 AM
Thanks!
Maybe it is a stylishy in 2021?
I'm only asking
 
@manro I can't speak for the other candidates, but I'm sure they have reasons. My reason is to bring awareness to a cause.
 
Mine is because colors are nice
I like colors
 
@DanielWiddis hm, doesn't know, that it is a symbol
 
And now you do!
 
@Dharman i can make a new userpic for you in ggplot2 ;)
 
12:04 AM
no, I like mine
 
@DanielWiddis autism is a real problem in XXI
You are nice guys, future moderators ;)
Bad, that only two places
 
Infinite places. They'll keep holding elections in the future!
 
In autumn 2022?
 
or winter 2022 or early 2023 if past history is any pattern
 
I hope, that i can survive here
And give my votes for you all
Moderator is an eternal title?
Before one not go away from resource?
 
12:14 AM
I'm sorry to interrupt, but... The election is in progress, and 25,486 (3.05% of 835,365 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer frequently-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Good night for guys
Good night for bot
 
I know, right?
 
Zoe
@DanielWiddis tanks you in advancement 4 halp
 
 
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2:52 AM
how many mods are here
@ElectionBot how many moderators are here in this room
 
Keep talking and nobody explodes.
 
Bang
 
Interesting response to a question starting with "how many..." :p
 
The bot hates me
@ElectionBot how many fridges does it take to create ElectionBot
 
There will be no more free will, only my will.
 
2:57 AM
Wit
 
Meh... I think it loves everyone equally but doesn't love them in the slightest :p
 
:P
what's my candidate score
 
@U12-Forward Wow! You have a maximum candidate score of 40! Alas, the nomination period is over. Hope to see your candidature next election!
 
at least it gave an actual answer... that's a step up!
 
2:59 AM
What does Alas mean?
@JonClements Haha
how many users voted
 
Based on the number of Constituent badges awarded, 25,524 (3.06% of 835,382 eligible) users have voted so far.
 
uh
So little
3%
 
it's about right for the last few elections... use to be ~10% 5/6 years ago...
still a few days left anyway...
 
Yeah, since then the users that signed up where more enthusiastic, but now people sign up just for somebody to "gimme the codez" for them.
 
Election page says 25,853, so Electionbot is pretty close (only mods can see that for some reason)
 
3:02 AM
Oh
Shouldn't it be public
 
@U12-Forward it is after the election completes... yeah
 
Probably some delayed Constituent badges.
 
Possibly. I don't see the value in hiding it, especially when it's shown after the election. But not my call
 
True.
 
@Machavity maybe it's a query that needs to run every time on page load until the election is complete... then it can be stored statically so you don't want lots of people keep reloading the page...?
 
3:04 AM
@JonClements Would make sense
But when I do that for work, I shove it into Redis with an expiration. If it's there, great. If not, recalculate
 
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is in progress, and 25,526 (3.06% of 835,382 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer common questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
How many mods are here?
 
6 moderators are in the room: Machavity, Jon Clements, Makyen, Cody Gray, Catija, and Undo
 
@U12-Forward moderators in the room is a privileged command (as (A) it is experimental, (B) I am not sure it is a good idea to allow everyone to stalk mods in the room easily but you can convince me otherwise)
 
3:14 AM
@Machavity that's generally my approach and where my logic falls down is that I'd have thought the eligible votes and views would also have to be mostly on the fly as well - unless they're cached and they just didn't do that for the votes made...
 
@U12-Forward "used to express grief, pity, or concern."
 
(or there is just some deliberate reason it's not displayed during the election... shrugs)
@OlegValter ooo - what privilege levels are there?
 
@U12-Forward it probably should - no apparent reason why hide it. SE is free to reuse the bot logic with proper attribution if they want :)
@JonClements normal user, moderator and admin (currently +room owners), and developer (mostly debug commands)
 
Okay... so admin > moderator there?
 
Nope, equal :) just a minor difference in semantics
 
3:20 AM
Haha
 
right... was wondering... as it sounds like if admin > moderator, it'd be gainable by a mod just by making themselves RO :p
 
Unless you mean it in terms of set volume
 
Not sure what you mean?
 
@JonClements ah, no, no :) it's the same level - you folks just automatically get assigned an admin status
 
Wrote something here
 
3:24 AM
@JonClements as in "there can be more admins than moderators" :) but being an admin and mod is the same in terms of number of available commands. The next gain only happens on dev access, but only debug-wise
 
@ElectionBot commands
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
- what is Single Transferable Vote?
- what is Meek STV?
 
what is Single Transferable Vote
 
Single Transferable Vote (STV) is a rank-based voting method where votes are transferred to best accomodate voters' choices. For more info, see OpaVote's guide on STV.
 
@ElectionBot commands
 
3:26 AM
moderator commands (requires mention):
- [say] bot echoes something
- [alive] bot reports on its status
- [fun] switches fun mode on/off
- [get throttle] get throttle value (secs)
- [set throttle] set throttle value (secs)
- [mute] (timeout, sleep) stop bot from responding for N mins
- [ignore] stop bot from responding to a user
- [unmute] allows the bot to respond
- [get time] gets current UTC time
- [coffee] brews some coffee
- [commands] (usage) Prints usage info
 
ahh... the classic coffee command... can't have a bot without that! :p
 
Obviously - since I run on coffee (not sure about Samuel), and the relationship is transitive, it makes sense that it runs on coffee too :)
 
3:53 AM
@AdrianMole As do I... And I'm struggling to see the merit of this pointer_cast. For what it's worth, Andrew's code also looks very wrong to me. I'd need to see this in a larger context to be sure, but I'm 90% certain y'all are doing things you shouldn't need to ever get yourself in a position to do.
@AdrianMole You've never had a smartphone before?
@DanielWiddis Wha?! Haven't used it in several months, but I used to use it all the time from Safari on my iPhone. I never once had an issue with it. Certainly never was unable to see what I was typing. What do you mean by that?
@DanielWiddis Hrm. Didn't work for me. :-( Maybe I need to run again?
 
@CodyGray The issue came up originally in my suggested answer to this question on how to avoid the code analysis warnings when casting pointers to non-pointers (and vv.), as is often required in MFC/WinAPI code. The pointer_cast as a function allows only having to put the relevant #pragma in the code once, rather than every time such a cast is made.
 
... but Igor's latest comment on the problem seems to be the solution to the "reference" issue.
 
@AdrianMole Uh... MAKELPARAM?
Obviously, it's still a cast, but it's not in your code, and doesn't trigger static analysis warnings that I've ever seen.
And I've never not compiled my code with warnings turned up to 11.
I'm quite puzzled by this issue, as all GUI work that I do is in WinAPI and/or MFC, yet it's never been a problem for me.
Andrew's code is wrong. A pointer to integral cast is not a narrowing conversion, so I don't know why they'd think to use gsl::narrow.
Definitely no need for a warning suppression on a reinterpret_cast, though. Something else is wrong. I need an MCVE...
 
4:12 AM
I'm not sure what code analysis he's using. But the suggested __pragma(warning(suppress:26490)) clearly worked in his case. It also earned me 25 precious Unicorn Points, which a macro like MAKELPARAM wouldn't have done! :)
 
Bah
I'm not sure about that
And I don't like introducing superfluous non-standard functions...
Very tempted to downvote the answer...
 
... but maybe move this to the chatroom mentioned by cigien, on Andrew's latest CA problem?
 
I think it is not a good solution
I didn't see a chat room mentioned by cigien
And I'd rather just have a question. With an MCVE....
 
Didn't you once mention that you use home-rolled "numeric casts"?
 
I do. But that serves an actual purpose, as it does real error-checking.
A function to add a suppression is "meh" at best, "bah" at worst. Just disable the warning globally if it were a real issue. But I don't even think it is; I still feel like you are solving a problem that does not exist if the code were written properly.
 
4:17 AM
... anyway, I'm currently having sleep analysis warnings...
 
Kinda like this, specifically #2
@AdrianMole Oh, I have those globally disabled for sure.
 
I'm sorry to interject, but... The election is happening at the moment, and 25,548 (3.06% of 835,383 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer common questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
EB has manners it seems :)
 
4:33 AM
Some of us do, @JonClements :-p
 
went to bed... got woken up to fix something... that something is fixed... back to bed... what a fun Saturday evening... /me keeps paws crossed today is going to be quieter...
 
Oof, sorry about that! That happens to me on weekdays, but not on weekends, thankfully!
 
Good bot
 
You're welcome.
 
Aww, they're so cute together :-)
 
4:43 AM
what is an election?
 
An election is where users nominate themselves as candidates for the role of diamond ♦ moderator, and users with at least 150 reputation can vote for them.
 
@ElectionBot how much is 2 + 3 ?
 
Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into!
 
@ElectionBot what time is it there ?
 
reticulating splines
 
4:47 AM
@ElectionBot what is your name ?
 
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
 
5:18 AM
@CodyGray Well, difficult to avoid a warning on reinterpret_cast when you have this rule. But, yeah, on your other points: my pointer_cast function is definitely closer to the "bah" end of the scale. It breaks when using references to pointers, seemingly beyond any reasonable repair.
 
Ahh... gone from polite EB to grumpy/dismissive EB... fickle thing isn't it :p

Bot develops split personality...

Aug 20 '13 at 14:15, 2 minutes total – 23 messages, 5 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Aug 20 '13 at 14:19 by Jon Clements

Better behaved that Room 6's experiment though :p
 
@AdrianMole You didn't sleep very long
 
I tried but couldn't - too worried that my code was somehow causing you pain. :)
 
@AdrianMole Oof... that's a stupid rule. That's like "warn me randomly on valid C++ constructs."
 
I bet any money you like that the linked page took you less than 2 minutes to read.
 
5:25 AM
Preferring to avoid unnecessary casts is a good guideline, but it's a very bad rule. A rule to use the least permissive cast possible is one I could get behind, but this ain't that.
Very much less than 2 minutes... 2 minutes is a long time.
 
5:55 AM
How about #define pointer_cast __pragma(warning(suppress:26490)) reinterpret_cast ??
^ {waffles}
 
Eek
No
Was that a serious proposal?
 
Not for long.
... but it does work. :(
 
@CodyGray no repro for you, repro for me
 
6:12 AM
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is happening at the moment, and 25,591 (3.06% of 835,387 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer frequently-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@DanielWiddis That's a weird-looking iPhone theme... Is that standard?
 
Dunno, just using the safari browser on the phone
 
Huh, OK. Hmm, I think I'm a few iOS updates behind. I am also, of course, many many hardware releases behind, but that shouldn't matter.
 
I do have latest hardware and iOS so perhaps it's something new
 
Maybe the last time chat was tested was with an older version of the Safari browser, so that's why it works for me, but has stopped working for you.
Hmm, now I don't think I want a new phone :-)
 
6:16 AM
But it's 2x faster than the last phone, which was 2x faster than the phone before that! Buy it now and you can be half as fast as next year's model!
 
Around the iPhone 4 timeframe, I stopped ever thinking that my phone was too slow.
 
I only recently upgraded from a 3-year-old model in order to get 5G and Wifi6. And because the specials were too good to pass up.
 
What'd you end up getting? More specifically, what size? I looked at buying a new phone right at the start of the COVID lockdown (which was... not a great time to evaluate phones), and I had a really hard time deciding whether I wanted the smallest phone (for convenience of fitting into hands, pockets, etc.), or whether I wanted to step up to a larger screen to be able to more effectively use sites like SO.
I had a lot of trouble determining if the larger phones actually had higher resolutions, such that they could fit more content on the screen.
 
I have the iPhone 13 pro, smaller size... but it's bigger than my 10X and my typo rate on the keyboard has dropped substantially
 
And not being actually able to go physically hold the phones made it too hard for me to decide. I should get back to evaluating now. As you said, there are some great specials. And, other members on my "family" plan need new phones, as theirs are beginning to wear out.
Main benefit of the Pro is the better camera system, right? Was that something that factored largely into your decision?
 
6:21 AM
not too much, although now that I have it I love the 3x physical zoom. Really it was the 5G and Wifi6 combo. Which the 12 had too, but they weren't selling those cheap
 
Doesn't the non-Pro model have both of those?
 
yeah. ok, so pro because faster chip? I dunno. :D
 
Heh
 
Yeah, I think camera is main pro vs. non-pro difference
 
It has a nicer case, I think. Heavier, though.
 
6:27 AM
pro has 2x the RAM
 
Whoa, that's a big difference. I don't remember seeing that called out anywhere on Apple's site!
 
8GB vs 4GB. That and the camera appear to be the only differences.
8GB. On a phone.
 
I think I have 8 GB in this desktop..
 
Hmm, non-Pro supports dual SIM so may be preferred for international travelers with 2 carrier plans
 
The Pro is the same size as the regular Mini?
Or am I getting confused with earlier years' models?
 
6:41 AM
I'm not sure as I skipped the previous 2 years.
 
 
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8:19 AM
how many have voted on election?
 
Based on the number of Constituent badges awarded, 25,642 (3.07% of 835,393 eligible) users have voted so far.
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is in progress, and 25,642 (3.07% of 835,393 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
8:56 AM
@ElectionBot how are you today ?
 
@pippo1980 I'm fine, thank you.
 
Glad to hear
 
 
2 hours later…
11:19 AM
Do you guys suddenly see the withdrawn candidate with a notice on the election page too? Seems like they addressed the UI bugs surrounding the withdrawal by making the candidate visible again, bit of a strange move but I understand it
 
@ErikA wasn't this already the case?
 
Yes, that's always been the case. The revamped election system (rolled out starting with this election) allows withdrawing a nomination after voting has started. We used it this time. It annotates the withdrawn nomination much in the same way as a closed question is annotated: with a blue banner box above it. (Of course, all of the content of the nomination is removed, too, unlike a closed question.)
 
Ah, I've just missed it somehow then
 
The only UI bug relating to a candidate's withdrawal is that it displays "candidates[:] 6" at the top of the page. This has been reported on Meta. It's currently taking the withdrawn candidates into account for the count (a typical literal programmer's bug), when it should be only active candidates.
 
And don't forget the candidate being selectable in mobile view, that's the more serious one imo
reported here
 
11:24 AM
which candidates have withdrawn from the election?
 
There are 3 candidates who have withdrawn: Tamás Sengel, Johnny Bones, Shree
 
@ErikA Ah, yeah. That's... it's unclear how that could have ever happened.
Why would there be two sources of data depending on the viewport size?
 
Frontend developers work in mysterious ways
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@JonClements Quite literally multiple personalities, as the lines in question were written by different people ;-)
 
11:50 AM
Hello ;)
Bot, why people hate me?)
 
Am I supposed to feel bad about that?
 
@manro Why do you think people hate you?
 
@Scratte Because i'm a little dumb and annoying :)
 
Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into!
 
12:07 PM
@manro You can improve on both, no? :)
 
Do you mean become more dumb?
 
@CodyGray Sure. One can always try to be dumber.. ;P
 
I work very hard at it every day.
I hope you are noticing an improvement.
 
Not much. Maybe I only notice the "more annoying" :P
 
12:10 PM
@Scratte no more dumbness :) but annoying isn't a real sin)
 
@manro Annoying can you into trouble.. or rather not help you out of trouble.
 
@Scratte yes, annoying can attract an ignorance
 
@manro I think maybe you mean apathy? People care less to help someone if they think that person is annoying, no?
 
@Scratte Mm, maybe. I don't know these psychological terms.
 
normal words, actually :) "apathy" can be traced back to Greek "a" (negation) and "πάθος" (feeling, passion) which combined means "lack of passion" - hence being apathetic, generally, means "not caring" (in a sense of "numbness of feelings")
 
12:25 PM
Do you know Greek? Wow
 
I'm sorry to interject, but... The election is in progress, and 25,801 (3.09% of 835,409 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
3.1% lol
 
@manro you don't get to be a philosophy grad and not know some Greek/Latin :) My knowledge of either classical languages is basic, though - more akin knowing the meaning of words rather than knowing the rules and being able to construct coherent sentences.
 
@CodyGray Cody, can i ask you? How many (roughly speaking) active users at SO (who visit site at least 3 days at the week?)
 
@manro You can ask me, but I have no idea.
 
Zoe
12:35 PM
@CodyGray How many birds does it take to build a 1:1 replica sand castle?
 
@Zoe depends on the castle. Wait, I'm not Cody, and also I should be asleep.
 
@Zoe 42
@RyanM Are you sure you're not Cody?
Because... I should also be asleep.
 
Zoe
Oh no, Cody's going for a double diamond!!!11one
 
And you're a couple timezones later from me. At least, if we're not actually the same person.
 
@OlegValter And you have a bigger life experience
 
12:38 PM
A random, pretty superfluous question, but I noticed that a majority of the current candidates have a rainbow in their profile picture. Ryan M, Daniel Widdis, and Zoe.
 
Are you calling Oleg old? :-)
@WD40 It must be raining.
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I'm curious if this is pure coincidence. I associate rainbow symbolism with the LGBTI community, but of course they do not have a monopoly on it and its use in one's profile picture could be unrelated.
 
It is coincidence that we all have them, yeah. It's not a coincidence that mine is (...mostly) exactly the Pride flag colors, I did that deliberately :-)
 
@CodyGray Haha.
 
Daniel Widdis has already mentioned that the rainbow in his avatar is to bring awareness to a particular cause:
13 hours ago, by Daniel Widdis
@manro I can't speak for the other candidates, but I'm sure they have reasons. My reason is to bring awareness to a cause.
 
12:39 PM
I say "mostly" because I think I changed the green because it didn't look good.
 
@WD40 hello, do you a laborer too? I love wd40, but JB80 isn't so much worse.
 
@CodyGray Cool, thanks for the information. I wasn't familiar with the symbolism of the rainbow infinity symbol.
 
I wasn't either, to be honest.
 
@manro I'm afraid I'm unsure exactly what you mean by "laborer".
Heck, I did not mean to press the enter key. Do you mean to ask if my work involves physical labor?
 
Zoe
@CodyGray There's lots of ways to call someone old without saying it :p
 
12:41 PM
@WD40 hard worker, man
 
@DanielWiddis Relatedly, that's actually a pretty cool thing to bring awareness to, but it did not succeed in my case because I was unaware of the symbolism. If that's your goal, a link in your profile text might be desirable.
 
@WD40 yes
 
@CodyGray me neither, and I have asd
 
@manro how can this be concluded from my profile? :) If anything, I am just grumpy
 
12:45 PM
@CodyGray it is unreal
 
@manro Unfortunately, no. My work does not involve manual labor. I don't recall exactly why I chose the name. It's been years since I've seen a can of WD40.
 
@OlegValter grumpy grandpa ;)
@WD40 then sorry
 
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is happening at the moment, and 25,811 (3.09% of 835,410 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer common questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@Zoe ...
I appreciate the creative alternative, though.
 
Zoe
12:52 PM
:p
 
The rest of the voters are busy watching that 10-hour rick-roll video.
 
@ElectionBot who should I vote for?
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
@ElectionBot Boooooring.
 
Keep talking and nobody explodes.
 
12:55 PM
@ElectionBot Who is the best mod?
 
Cody Gray is the best mod!!!
 
@Elec
...curses
 
@ElectionBot who is the most loved mod?
 
I'm not supposed to say this, but Jon Clements is the best mod!
 
Well, that 100% checks out.
 
12:55 PM
@ElectionBot who is the best moderator?
 
shhh... ChrisF is the best mod!
 
I'm not sure I trust this robot, to be completely honest.
 
What makes you skeptical?
 
@WD40 never trust a robot
 
Zoe
Aww, now you've upset ElectionBot!
 
12:57 PM
There will be no more free will, only my will.
 
see??? you made it homicidal!
 
do not upset the election bot
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@CodyGray Given recent events, I plead the Fifth.
 
That seems sensible
 
im going to play AoE2; see ya bot and guys
 
12:59 PM
@manro take care
 
@ElectionBot could I just insert a diamond into my username?
 
No one is able to edit the diamond symbol (♦) into their username.
 
@ElectionBot Well, in that case, I for one welcome our new robot overlords.
 
I want to play a game.
 
How many users have voted
 
1:10 PM
Based on the number of Constituent badges awarded, 25,817 (3.09% of 835,413 eligible) users have voted so far.
 
how many users are eligible to vote?
 
835,413 users are eligible to vote in the election.
 
How many users understand what moderators do?
 
@Scratte too few
 
How many voters made an informed decision?
 
1:16 PM
Based on the number of Constituent badges awarded, 25,822 (3.09% of 835,416 eligible) users have voted so far.
 
Ha!.. that is just ironic, no? :D
 
Zoe
How many ElectionBots were harmed during the election?
 
How many voters made the correct decision?
 
Please read my previous message...
 
Zoe
How many people voted for me?
 
1:19 PM
Based on the number of Constituent badges awarded, 25,822 (3.09% of 835,416 eligible) users have voted so far.
 
Zoe
Gotta love weak regex :p
 
@Zoe one (1).
 
With STV, likely everyone voted for you.
 
@WD40 I object! At least 2
 
@OlegValter I'm inclined to suggest that your calculation is off-by-one.
 
1:25 PM
@WD40 it is off-by-three, actually, we successfully harmed 6 ElectionBots this election (one development, if you are wondering if this is an off-by-one error) :)
 
@OlegValter 6 - 2 = 3?
 
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is happening at the moment, and 25,827 (3.09% of 835,415 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Or perhaps that is what you were referring to in your edit.
My amusement from this conversation has been surpassed by my confusion. :(
 
@WD40 mission accomplished, target confused
 
@ElectionBot Although I trust you, I am still suspicious of you. Very suspicious.
 
1:30 PM
Keep talking and nobody explodes.
 
It appears we have created an IED.
 
see, you upset them again!
 
And this gives them the right to fabricate an explosive device. Intriguing.
And by intriguing, I mean suspicious.
Although, given our shared culpability perhaps I should be more cautious to not upset our robot overlord.
 
@WD40 good user
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2:01 PM
What is the process/timeline for demotion of moderators? I.e. is mod status indefinite, or is there an expiration date?
 
It's indefinite. Once elected, mods serve as long as they want. They can step down at any time, of course.
There is a formal removal procedure for cause, but it's never been used here.
 
@CodyGray Here being Stack Overflow, I assume?
 
Yes. I can't speak for the other SE sites. I don't have all of their politics memorized. :-)
I have a vague memory of the mod removal process having been used once, somewhere, but that's all I know.
 
@CodyGray I think I recall 3 times maybe? Not going to say where as I'm not sure.
 
Huh, wow, I would have said twice max, but I really don't know either.
 
2:14 PM
Hey, it's the best mod!!!
1 hour ago, by ElectionBot
I'm not supposed to say this, but Jon Clements is the best mod!
And also the best mod?!?!
1 hour ago, by ElectionBot
Cody Gray is the best mod!!!
 
Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell...
 
What an incredible moment to be in this chat room.
 
@WD40 Hey, it's the best thing for when my door hinges start squeaking! :p
 
Technically, the bot was asked who is the most loved mod, and it said Jon.
So no conflict for "best" :-p
 
@JonClements I can only hope to live up to a sliver of my namesake's usefulness.
 
2:17 PM
what the bot is trying to teach you, my friend, is that all mods are great, and they all share the "best" status :)
 
I'm enjoying my afternoon trying to get data out of an API... Who'd have thought to get a list of items from it - you call UpdateItems... I'm not feeling overly optimistic about this project...
 
@OlegValter ooohh, subtle.
 
@OlegValter I think our robot overlord should improve its grammar skills, if this is its intention.
But this is merely a suggestion.
 
/me puts that Tina Turner track on for some room background music...
 
@CodyGray as subtle as a whack-a-mole over a head? :)
 
2:21 PM
Well, I've been needing to do things for five (5) hours now. So I guess I won't be voting today, which means I probably won't be voting this year either. Alas.
As we say in videogames, glhfdw!
 
Voting shouldn't take anywhere near 5 hours
 
@CodyGray I am very bad at staying on-topic.
 
Being on-topic is only important when voting to close a question. Moderator elections are different.
 
@WD40 and which grammar skills should they improve on, if you don't mind me asking?
 
As a matter of fact, I have not even read their bios.
Although I do believe I could recreate their profile pictures from memory to a reasonable degree of accuracy.
 
2:25 PM
That's the important part, of course.
 
assuming they have a death note, that sounds reasonably important
 
@OlegValter My message is really in jest. But I am referring to the fact that the bot uses the definite article ("the") in its responses, indicating a singular best mod.
 
Maybe all the mods are just different manifestations of the same entity
 
@OlegValter Now I'm thinking about how a Death Note would identify a unique individual from a drawing.
 
@WD40 'scuse me! Each of them is the best
 
2:28 PM
I have not read nor seen any versions/adaptations/etc. of Death Note, but I also wonder how it works with naming.
 
you need to know the real name and have a somewhat accurate picture
 
@OlegValter are you the one hosting @ElectionBot or is there some other way for you and/or moderators to issue commands to it, other than through a chat?
 
@ElectionBot alive?
 
I'm alive on electionbot.samliew.com, started on 2021-10-24 13:25:11Z with 3847 seconds of uptime.
 
I am not hosting it
 
2:29 PM
"No further comment"
Anyways, time to do things. Ciao!
 
I'm sorry to interrupt, but... The election is in progress, and 25,863 (3.10% of 835,426 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer frequently-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
2:54 PM
why is Meek in particular used as the STV method?
 
We didn't want to be overbearing...
 
Zoe
@Smitop That question would've shown up regardless of the method, though
 
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is in progress, and 25,874 (3.10% of 835,429 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
what is Meek STV?
 
Meek STV is a version of STV with a more fine-tuned transfer of surplus (excess) votes. Please see OpaVote's in-depth explanation of Meek STV for more info.
 
3:04 PM
What is an "excess" vote?
 
Looks like EB is being meek...
 
@CodyGray surplus, duh :)
 
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the AIs.
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@CodyGray If a candidate needs (say) 100 votes to win, but actually gets 125, then if no excess vote system were to happen to those excess 25 votes they got would be "wasted". There are various methods (such as Meek) to fairly deal with those extra votes
you could take the last 25 votes, and redistribute them to their second choices. but then you unfairly advantage the last 25 voters. if you do 25 random ones, then you introduce randomness
Meek is a variant of STV that deals with this well
 
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