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Good morning!
@OlegValter Thank you!
@TheMaster I understand that my poor English skill troubles everyone. I apologize for this. But I would like to make an effort for understanding various situations by studying more. About your comment, can I confirm my understanding for your proposal? You want to use "google-apps-script" as the prefix of the tags related to Google Apps Script like "google-apps-script-###". Is my understanding correct?
 
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@Tanaike good morning!
@Tanaike your skill troubles no one here (especially since it is not bad) :) re:proposal - my understanding of the proposal is synonymizing all (or most) of the branching tags (google-apps-script-* prefixed) to the main (please correct me if I am wrong, @TheMaster). I have a couple of reservations about certain tags, but that's for further discussion
 
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@Tanaike My proposal would be to merge all [tag:google-apps-script-*] to just . But the answer in my meta defines the criteria we should put to test before creating new branch tags or merging existing branch tags
@Tanaike Your English is as good as Ruben's. If anything, You should be more confident. Your lack of confidence is more troubling, IMO:) If you don't understand something, plainly ask without apologizing. Always assume that the other party didn't explain it clearly. 😇
Welcome @MariosKaramanis !
08:10
Hi all, thanks a lot for the invitation. I would to apologise to Ruben for the yesterday's discussion we had. I am very happy to be part of this GAS community and I am sure this will help us educate each other even more than we do in the comments.
08:38
@MariosKaramanis What happened with Ruben? He was here, but not anymore. He left without saying anything. I believe We have a fallout here as well. Anyway, If you want to apologize, you have to do it personally :)
08:58
He took part of my solution but he elaborated in a way that I didn't. I thought he was duplicating my answer and I flagged him but instead he was providing more clarity. You can see the discussion here stackoverflow.com/q/63319808/11225291 Anyway, thanks for the invitation again.
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@MariosKaramanis TBH, When I first started, I used to think that about his answers too.
14:45
@OlegValter My initial idea of meta post per issue isn't going to go well I think. It seems people in meta are already fed up with our antics. I am or will be going vigilante especially if others are going to continue to tag retag useless tags(IMO). However We can continue to discuss and whether if we can come to a conclusion.
15:04
@MariosKaramanis welcome!
@TheMaster huh, did you have a conversation with somebody about it? As we agreed I am ok with not adding anything new, and if meta is, ironically, tired of discussion, I guess we can discuss here
@MariosKaramanis btw, we elaborated further on a separate question of theirs - for me and Tanaike it is "no repro" (I initiallly thought that I managed to reproduce, but it turned out to be an empty row indeed): stackoverflow.com/questions/63321360/…
@MariosKaramanis and thank you for joining us here - I noticed you did a good job of suggested edits lately ( I am bulk reviewing today )
@OlegValter Ruben is still doing it. And He's basically asking me to bear the burden of proof: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/398344/… When he hasn't provided anything to the contrary.
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/380204/… Here He's questioning the definition of triggers when the quoted definition isn't ambiguous at all. Furthermore, He won't be participating in the discussion here.
15:21
@TheMaster ah, I see what you mean. Well, if they are later synonymized (if it is decided to do so), this won't hurt much as all questions will get connected? I think that even if we do deal with them, it should be synonymizing - a user enters google-apps-script-* and still ends with the main tag, win-win scenario.
I'm sorry, but I did my best to do nothing, while he keeps tagging. But even after noted opposition, He keeps retagging undettered and I'm tired of seeing long tags and bumped up questions
@OlegValter We need 5 votes. If we discuss here, We don't have 5 votes for synonimization, especially if even one of us opposes.
@TheMaster I know - we need more people for that - basically that is what happened to , it is in limbo at best now (I actually ranted about it somewhere up the pipeline :), hopefully it will start off with time. I am trying to find out active users with positive contributions closing to 2K threshold for now.
@OlegValter On the other hand, if I retag everything back, The burden of proof rests on him or moderator has to directly decide. I'm ok with both of those decisions.
@TheMaster maybe let's not start an edit war for a while? Upd: ah, I just saw your question, that is what you meant meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/400136/…
@OlegValter @MariosKaramanis can help there, I think.
15:27
@TheMaster in another 1.3K I suppose (isn't it the threshold 2.5K to vote on synonyms?)
@OlegValter I don't want to. But letting a opposition run free is no way to play.
@OlegValter Ahhh.... forgot.
@TheMaster yeah, but that's a start, the rest, well, we seem to have invited a good chunk already (some probably twice)...
@TheMaster probably wait a bit until the middle of the week with that - I noticed that as of late questions on meta start bad and slowly rise back in business
I think I will be able to reach 2.5k by the end of August. Hopefully. I answer both python and GAS questions but of course mainly GAS. So it is easy for me to level up . But definitely I will help you guys with the tags. @TheMaster @OlegValter.
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@TheMaster and with Bhargav back in tagging it is a shame to see a position that I think is best described by a phrase of one of the politicians from where I am from that approximately translates to "parlament is not a place for discussion" :) Well, maybe if folks are tired of seeing questions about tags, let's tone it down for a while (maybe half a week or a week?) and let everyone went off steam (I know it sounds frustrating, but I sense a new meta drama if there is a tagging war...).
@MariosKaramanis thank you :) Just do what you usually do, no rush, and do join the discussions - nice to see the community starting to have an outline
15:45
@OlegValter That's the idea though. If tagging war is posted by him, He has to also bear the burden of proof now. I'd like to see him validating and to the community. If he successfully wins, All hail. If not, sanity returns.
Back when I was naiive, pnuts used to be active in the community. I didn't know much about tags, but I remember him saying this about Ruben. Checking back my history, I found it. Interesting read:
in Discussion between pnuts and I'-'I, Jul 22 '18 at 15:54, by pnuts
@Rubén seem to have a habit of creating new, very low volume, tags with no Usage guide while also rejecting suggestions (that were usually later approved). When my suggestions were not approved I usually just resubmitted them, unchanged, in the hope of catching a different set of reviewers.
in Discussion between pnuts and I'-'I, Jul 22 '18 at 15:43, by pnuts
Now, @Rubén is clearly in the "as many hyphens as possible" camp, whereas I was avoiding them. And @ale seems to believe strongly in "better no guidance than anything short of perfection".
@TheMaster well, once again, I don't think that's a good idea, especially given the current climate, but I won't stop you from doing so, of course... Cre:interesting read indeed, I am looking through
16:03
@OlegValter Reasons why it is not a good idea? Just because I'm doing nothing doesn't change the fact that a war is already going on. Anyway let's finish first.
@TheMaster well, it is more of a gut feeling that it will all may blow up badly... One of the reasons - noticeable rising tensions that might be useful to let cool down a little before going forward. I know the war is going on, I just think it is not the right time to make it a "hot" one. That said, I am happy to be the "said so" guy :) And if it goes smoothly - even better
@TheMaster anyways, sure, let's deal with it first - 21 to go
 
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23:43
Good morning!
23:53
@OlegValter @TheMaster Thank you. About the tag with the prefix of "google-apps-script", I think that it is a good idea. If I have a question, when "google-apps-script-arrays" is used, there are a lot of tags like "google-apps-script-loop", "google-apps-script-fetch" and so on. But I'm not sure whether my understanding for this is correct.
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@OlegValter @TheMaster And, unfortunately, I cannot still understand about the problems about discussing in the thread. So at first, I thought that it is required to understand about it.
@OlegValter @TheMaster And, thank you for replying. There are a lot of questions and situations I cannot understand in English for me. And I had ever had a big mistake because of my English skill before. I think that this is a traumatic experience. So I always think that the reason I cannot understand is due to my English skill. But I would like to also improve this for my future. So when I misunderstood your comments and opinions, please tell me. I would like to modify and study.

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