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11:00 AM
@Scratte Hmmm....
 
I'd like to structure the code differently.. to reduce the overall lines :)
But until now, every times I've refactored it to make more structure, it grew!
 
you may consider removing redundant helpers (e.g. removeElement)
 
Now I'm in a pickle where I create a listener for toggles that runs an update-function for the previews.
@double-beep Do I not use that?
 
you can simply use document.querySelector(selector)?.remove()
 
Yes.. I see. I didn't upgrade my TamperMonkey yet though.
By the way.. there is one console.log left in the script.. it uses the ugly global variable though, so it sould be obvious in the console which script is doing it ;)
 
11:08 AM
@Scratte You and Xnero no?
 
@KevinM.Mansour Xnero started it because they wanted to write a script. They invited me. I didn't know JavaScript at all, so I wasn't much help. double-beep helped a lot :)
The fact that the room started as an invite is a blessing :) It means that it's always very low on the list of active rooms :)
 
@Scratte But How he invited you?
@Scratte We discussed that earlier. :)
 
Oh, look, someone else is ranting about downvotes on Meta.
I already deleted the first one, so they've tried again. :-\
 
@CodyGray WHo he is my friend. ;)
 
Yes. You'll have lots of friends.
 
11:13 AM
@KevinM.Mansour Like this..
 
@Scratte Nice. And he found you in So Close Vote Reviewes.
 
@KevinM.Mansour I can't remember. Probably :)
 
@Scratte I am sure. :)
 
@CodyGray lol!.. that's good humour :D
 
11:35 AM
@CodyGray Yes, my friends are everywhere.
 
What if you look at it like this?:
You have a list of stuff with a key, which are words, and a value, that is the description. It's a dictionary. Lots of words in there.
 
@Scratte What is that?
 
Some of them are like "Cake" : "This is a type of dessert".
Others are like "Candy" : "This is used for cleaning toilets"
 
Where are you going with this? Someone downvotes that entry for "Cake" because "It is actually the name of a great band"?
 
The Cake is fine.. the "Candy" entry is not.
 
11:46 AM
Ah. Actually... There are those little cakes that you put into your toilet tank/bowl to slowly release cleaning/disinfecting agents. If one called those "candies" (and they kind of look like them), then that would be a valid entry!
 
So.. when you look at the entries, you just want to be able to say "This entry makes sense." or "This entry is faulty" in a fast way.
@CodyGray I see my example is highly flawed :D
 
Well, either that, or I'm exceptionally talented at nitpicking.
 
It's a gift.. I appreciate it. You even ruined my example :D
Anyway.. the point was that in time, the marks on the words will reflect the usefulness of them. So I'll put a -1 on the candy, while Cody will obviously put a +1 on it, because it wasn't wrong ;)
 
That's not the only thing I can ruin.
But, yes. Actually, this makes a great example, because it shows that there can be disagreements.
And, ultimately, the answer that is believed to be correct by the most people will "win".
So, my +1 will be overshadowed by a glut of downvotes because... "wtf are you talking about, dude?"
And that's a good thing.
 
It doesn't matter who put the "Candy" in there. The -1 will not be a big deal if most of the words that they put in are good ones. But if most of their stuff is bad, then at some point, it should be pretty obvious that the person probably should not put in anymore words.
The most important thing is the score of the word though.. that +15 because everyone agree with Cody (or more likely -35 because Cody isn't right :-). Nobody cares about the user that put in the word. They care if the word has a good description.
So.. now we come to the whining: Stop doing it. You've put in a word, that doesn't make sense, and/or a wrong description of it. That's what people are voting on. We don't want bad stuff in the dictionary. That's why we vote. Whining about it means you think it's more important to keep your reputation points than it is to have good content.
 
11:57 AM
That's a pretty good analogy.
Did you hear that somewhere, or invent it yourself?
 
So.. I put in "blurjeosh", and everyone puts a -1 on that. It's not a word.
 
(Kinda had a slow start, but once you wait it out, it makes a lot of sense.)
 
@CodyGray I just invented it now..
 
@Scratte Did you mean... "blue jeans" or "blur Josh"?
 
@CodyGray Exactly.. that's a "Needs an edit to be clear" :) This is a Question. The word is the Question.. the descriptions are the Answers.
You can see how my example is evolving :D
 
12:00 PM
But not "needs community edits", because there's no idea anyone but Scratte could make sense of that keyboard mash.
 
I actually tried to mash the keyboard, but it came out as kind of a word :D
 
I kind of assumed you'd typed "blurjosh", and then had to add the "e" to make it extra non-word-like.
 
Maybe I should type this analogy up.. and post it on a canonical downvote post.
 
Because "blurjosh" actually returns Google results, whereas "blurjeosh" does not. Nothing.
 
That's not what I did though. I started with something like "bleirojawl" and edited it a little.
 
12:03 PM
Why? That's not a word, either.
You are good bad at this.
 
I was trying to "post a Question"/"Add a word to the dictionary" that doesn't make any sense.
 
@CodyGray How did you highlight "good" in markdown?
 
To explain why it should get a negative score. "Candy" is a fine word in the dictionary. It's the description that's debatable.
 
I didn't highlight anything?
 
@KevinM.Mansour ---good---
 
12:05 PM
@Scratte But some people will downvote the "Candy" "question" because they think it is doesn't belong in this dictionary.
Because this dictionary is about... programming?
 
Bye Hello World!
 
@CodyGray Yes. That's true. Hopefully most other people would put a +1 on it, because it actually is a word.
@CodyGray Don't over complicate my example :) The problem with making an analogy is that if it has to be exactly the same and account for all the details, then you have the real thing. You can't have a model that contains all the details.
 
Did anyone know that Scratte Jokingâ„¢ announced thir last unfunny joke?
 
Huh?
 
I like details.
Huh?
 
12:10 PM
Cody is better a joking than I am.
There's more snark in Cody-Jokingâ„¢
But nobody can beat rene..
 
@CodyGray Thank you. :)
@Scratte Cody is awesome. I have loved "Yes. You'll have lots of friends.". :)
 
I have beaten rene several times.
 
@KevinM.Mansour Hmm.. I think that was a joke with a little snark in it :D
 
@CodyGray When then?
 
@CodyGray Perhaps.. but I see no proof :)
 
12:15 PM
You think I cannot be snarkier than he?
 
@Scratte I know. and that is the funny part in it. ;)
 
@CodyGray That's not the trick. The trick is to be snarky without showing it :)
As in "Did you try to beat them into submission?" :D
 
That's just lame, though.
I mean, that literally came across my brain, but then I groaned, almost out loud, about how lame that was.
 
12:33 PM
I thought it was brilliant. Since that's exactly what they tried to do.
 
1:30 PM
@Scratte Just wanted to know before I hit 2K because If I have something wrong I can fix it. Is that edit fine?. I just see mck have rejected, so does it have any problems with it? It is now approved. Thank you. :)
 
"What should I do to run HTML code giving me this error?" is OK. If you want to add "that", I think it must also have "that's" as in "that is" giving me this error..
"I also installed a few extensions but it didn't work." is already correct.
There's no need for "have", since "installed" is a verb.
The title is an improvement :)
 
@Scratte Than you. :)
 
I think you do not need to place the image in the top. The image was OK at the end.
But I think the edit is rejected partly because the post is closed. And when you edit it, it will go into the reopen-queue. But that is useless, because it's a duplicate and it should not be reopened.
 
Thank you. I just wanted to understand. If I have done something wrong.
 
Seems like removing the blockquote is a regression.
 
1:36 PM
Also, you should not have removed the error from a quote.
Heh.. Cody beat me to that one :)
Why did you remove macos as a tag?
I think the title was an improvement :) But.. I'm not sure that the other edits were.
 
@Scratte But Why it placed automatically to reopen queue. I thought only post will when people vote reopen
I am didn't remove the tags. :)
 
@KevinM.Mansour It happens on the first edit. By anyone.
 
Just edited post. :)
@Scratte Ops. I am didn't mean that.
 
I do like the idea of moving the screenshot above the "I also installed..." line, since that line is supplemental, and has nothing to do with the screenshot itself.
And, yes, I agree the title is an improvement.
 
1:42 PM
Why tags are edited and I didn't. I usually don't remove tags since I am not expert in Visual Studio Code.
@CodyGray Thank. :)
 
@KevinM.Mansour Perhaps you did it by accident?
 
Also I am didn't remove the quote.
@Scratte I am sure. :)
 
@KevinM.Mansour Did you remove a ">" in front of the error? :D
 
The [html] tag is for questions actually about HTML.
 
@Scratte No. I know it is quote.
 
1:44 PM
It says you removed it. Look at the review with "Side-by-side markdown"
 
I edited title and added "have" word and done small edits for "What should I do to run HTML code that giving me this error:?".
@Scratte I see but I didn't.
 
@KevinM.Mansour Heh.. do you check to see the rendered result before you submit?
 
But I did not remove tags or removed quote.
 
See updated version: stackoverflow.com/q/67955540
 
I cannot explain why the quotes went missing. Nor why the tags went missing. The review says it was you, so either you did it but did not notice.. or there's a bug.
 
1:46 PM
@Scratte Yes.
@Scratte Trust me and I promise that I didn't. I am sure.
 
@KevinM.Mansour I can't explain it. But now that Cody has edited, it's very nice again :)
But still a duplicate.
 
I said I don't remove tags since I am except in Visual Studio Code and I didn't remove quote.
 
It's OK :) Don't worry about it. I can only see the result :)
 
@CodyGray Can Moderators see If someone tried to edit post or who edited post. Or have rejected their edit on this post.
Anyway I see a great member have returned.
 
@KevinM.Mansour Schh.. don't scare them :)
@KevinM.Mansour Anyone can see that.
 
1:50 PM
Yes, moderators can see who has edited a post. So can everyone else: it's in the revision history.
 
@Scratte I didn't.
 
:)
 
Moderators can also see people who attempted to edit a post (e.g., via a rejected suggested edit), but everyone else can see that, too. It's just harder to find the info.
 
@CodyGray So, please get a look when you have free time, I will be appreciated. :)
Welcome Back.
 
See the secret hidden link on all posts.
 
1:52 PM
A look at what?
Welcome back to what?
I am so confused?
That last one wasn't a question?
 
@CodyGray Welcome back to a great member.
@CodyGray I mean to look at who attempted to edit post when you have free time.
 
Schhh.. :)
@Scratte That will get you to the timeline with a link to your suggestion
Which is the link that you also posted with the review.
 
@Scratte That is hidden button. I have never clicked on that button. Also I didn't notice.
 
@KevinM.Mansour There's only one user that made an edit suggestion on that post.. and that was you.
 
@Scratte I mean Who attempted to edit post
 
1:56 PM
Nobody.
Had someone attempted to edit it, their edit would have clashed with yours.
And an attempt to edit doesn't actually change anything on the live post, so you wouldn't have noticed...
 
Yes. Look at the timeline. tomerpacific edited the post directly at 06:35:28.
Then you made a suggested edit at 06:35:29.. aha..
So.. you probably did not notice the edit that was made a second before you submitted your suggestion, but the system noticed. This is why it's saying you removed tags and the quote.
Because your version does not have it at 06:35:29.. but it was there at 06:35:28
 
@Scratte So that means what?
 
@KevinM.Mansour It means you made a suggestion based on a different version than the one that was there when you submitted your edit.
Look at this revision history
You started your edit. But before you were done, someone else edited the post.
So it looks like you removed some of the things that they did.. because those things were not in your version.
 
@Scratte So that is not my fault.
 
It's not your fault :) You improved the post from revision 1.
Revision 2 was better than your edit, but you never noticed that :)
 
2:05 PM
@Scratte Hooray!
@Scratte As I started editing revision 1.
 
@KevinM.Mansour Exactly. Those timelines and revision histories keep a lot of secrets :)
 
@KevinM.Mansour Ctrl Shift K still exists in case some people didn't bother to read the manual.
 
@KevinM.Mansour this post has no place on Stack Overflow, it is about general computing and software -> Super User. Should be closed, no need to clutter the queue with edits (however, the edit itself is not bad)
 
@OlegValter Thank you. I am just still learning and thank you for reviewing. :)
@Scratte :)
 
I'd like to say that we missed you. A lot.. :)
 
2:10 PM
@Scratte I've created a review branch for your repo - not bad only 27 problems according to the initial TS check, and most come from the missing annotations. So not bad
 
@Spectric When I want to open DevTools in Stack Overflow page using Ctrl + Shift + K, so you script pop up. It is not critical but I would like to say keep it on your t-do list as it would be helpful.
 
however you missed one thing: responseText is undefined on line 109
 
@OlegValter Does it need TS annotations when it's just a javaScript thingy?
Ohh.. yes, I see. It would :) I forgot the essentials.
 
@Scratte it doesn't, but when you enable TS checks for a pure JS codebase, you can still hint the compiler via jsDoc. Nothing to worry about, though - it is mostly the limitation of the standard definitions library that all elements are returned as Element by default (or Node if the member belongs to the parent interface)
actually, according to the initial check, the only real problem you have is the undefined variable
 
@OlegValter Ahh.. I see. I'd prefer those to not be in a distributed.. since that might be confusing for people that want to find out how messy my code is.
 
2:14 PM
agreed with others, though - you'd better switch to boolean from "Yes"/"No" - there is no point in using strings there
 
@OlegValter Sorry about that. I'll fix it.
 
@Scratte don't worry, those who are curious enough to do that usually know what jsDoc is :)
 
I don't :) And I always take a peek at the code in a script ;)
 
@Scratte apologize to the compiler :) The funny thing is that the code will work just always end up in the catch block
 
I still have some improvements to make.. and some versioning. I'll upload the GUI soon.
 
2:16 PM
@OlegValter So Why you didn't remove Master Branch as you created Review Branch?
 
The todo list is down to only 54 items :)
 
@Scratte just don't change the version - simply overwrite the contents of the file, GH should count this as a commit
 
@OlegValter You mean don't change the directive?
Do you want me to create a new branch or is it fine directly in main?.. since, it's just my fiddling.
 
@CodyGray - why do you think destructuring is horrible? It serves a purpose - avoiding repeated access to deeply nested properties. As for the naming - yes, many people find it confusing, and it is considered a common issue people have with the feature
@Scratte hm? No, I meant don't upload a file named v1.1 :)
 
@OlegValter Ahh.. no, don't worry. I know how version control works :) I'll update the version in the directive though. Else I'll just confuse myself :)
 
2:20 PM
@Scratte directly on main
 
OK :) I'll do that.
 
@Scratte I know you know :) I wasn't sure you learnt how GH interpretation of it works yet
 
Ahh.. OK :) Well.. I figured that a new filename means a new file :)
 
@Scratte the benefit is that if I review on the branch, I can simply rebase it on top of your changes
 
@OlegValter Not too sure about that. Visual Studio Code is a software tool commonly used by developers. That would argue for it being on-topic here.
@KevinM.Mansour Doesn't Firefox also support F12?
 
2:22 PM
Yes, that makes sense. You mean we have a real version control system, instead of 24 hour pastebin :D
 
@OlegValter I think the syntax is horrible, not the idea.
 
@CodyGray Nice. It works. Thank you. :)
 
@CodyGray It takes some getting used to..
 
@CodyGray installing VSCode with a package manager command and then trying to run another (common alias to launch VSC) to open VSCode does not seem like a programming task to me. But this is exactly what SU is about
 
@Scratte That is funny.
 
2:25 PM
Is it possible that it is fine on both sites?
 
replace VSCode with any program not related to programming, and the question will not change. This is what I call being about "general software"
 
I understand. I only say it because there's an exception to programming tools.
 
You do not answer the question and then use that to assess topicality.
If the question is about programming tools, then it's on-topic here.
The asker is not required to know the cause of their problems.
 
@CodyGray that's the thing - I do not think it is about a programming tool. VS Code is accidental here. They could've been installing literally anything else. code is just a common alias for launching VS Code from path
 
@CodyGray Yes. Visual Studio Code. It is on-topic on Stack Overflow and it might be better either on Stack Exchange site for Linux but I am not sure since I am not because I am Visual Studio Code but I it is fine for me on Stack Overflow.
 
2:32 PM
@CodyGray I see. Why, though? It mirrors the structure of the object/array being destructured
 
So, basically.. it doesn't matter that you're a programmer, if the question is "what does a programmer dream of when they make breakfast"? :)
 
the only problem I have with it is that you can't destructure one part as const and another as let in a single run
 
You didn't answer my question yet.
 
Which question was that?
 
2:35 PM
@KevinM.Mansour Why remove the main branch? If you remove the main branch after you created a new branch, why even branch? You're left with only one..
The reason you branch is to make a new path of the code.. no? :)
I'd like to also add that the reason why the test didn't say there's 15846 errors, is because someone already reviewed the code and I took it and applied it ;)
 
apart from the elephant in the room mentioned by @Scratte, another advantage is that you can make a pull request from one branch to another
this allows you to comment specifically on code lines
 
Wht does "elephant" mean?
 
@KevinM.Mansour It's a big animal.. with big ears and a trunc.
 
lmgtfy (Sorry, @Scratte)
 
@Scratte He may remove Main branch since another branch is created as the main branch is not needed anymore.
 
2:39 PM
Sometimes you have one.. it's in the middle of the room. Everyone can see it, but nobody talks about it. Everyone pretends it's not there, even if it's plain as day and it's impossible to not notice.
 
@Scratte I am didn't mean that. :)
 
@KevinM.Mansour If you create a new branch and you remove the old branch. Do you have anything different than if you just renamed the original branch?
 
@OlegValter I am didn't mean that. too.
 
And why is the main branch not needed anymore? What is someone wants to make changes to files, but not change it on the main branch?
"if" not "is"
 
@Scratte So He will make changes to the Review branch instead.
Why you would even keep two branches and you don't use one of them.
 
2:45 PM
@KevinM.Mansour Aha.. so then instead of having two branches, you want one? What if the changes are to never be used in the final version? Do you still want to delete the main branch?
@KevinM.Mansour I will update on the main branch :) Oleg will rebase from that :)
 
@Scratte exactly - resolve any merge issues if there are any (although given that I just want to rebase on top, there should not be any), and continue on
 
This is the common say to make changes that doesn't necessarily gets applied to the files. You branch.. then if you're happy, you merge. If you're not, you leave it.. or delete the other one you made. But you always keep your main branch :)
 
@Scratte You didn't mention that you want to do that.
 
this like VSC 101 if you collaborate - work on your own branch, pull from master, push to your branch, pull request from branch to master
 
@Scratte And why you don't push to Master directly?
 
2:48 PM
if you are alone, and your project is not deployed yet for public consumption then master branch is ok
 
Is Master Branch hides projects from being public?
 
but as soon as you start collaborating single branch is not an option. Your master branch is the source of truth, it should not be touched without precautions
 
@KevinM.Mansour On this repository, I do.. But that's because we're not a software company. If we were a software company, nobody gets to mess with the main branch! :)
 
@Scratte huh..?
 
the owner of the repo usually gets to push on main, collaborators - to their respective branches. It's just common sense not to pollute the main
 
2:50 PM
@OlegValter Finally something that makes sense.
 
@KevinM.Mansour If you want to make changes to the code, you make a branch.. you play in that. The main branch will be unaffected. This is the point of branching. You can have any number of branches. Issue nr 359 is being fixed in one branch while issue nr. 987 in another. No one will be happy if developers play in the main branch. That's the production code. That's what goes into the patch to customers.
 
@OlegValter Not that I can tell. I cannot figure out that syntax at all. It looks completely obfuscated, compared to the original, much more readable code.
 
@Scratte Makes sense. Thank you so far.
 
@Scratte trunk
 
@CodyGray Sowwy ;) I'm from SQL.. I use trunc.. it's short for truncate ;)
 
2:53 PM
You truncated the "k" in trunk.
But, on elephants, it's precisely the opposite of truncated.
It's elongated.
(Why didn't they call it an elong?)
(Because a trunk is actually a word that means "proboscis".)
(Isn't it fun to have conversations with yourself?)
 
I know :) It's pretty silly.. maybe it's trunk for long and trunc-ate for short? Someone ate it?
 
(Yes, more fun than talking to people who don't know what's up.)
 
@Scratte and feature #512 that breaks half the codebase until completed is in another :)
 
@OlegValter Yes.. that. Which is no fun to sort out when someone accidentally merged it into the main branch.
Of course.. 10 other developer's code has been merged in since.
 
@CodyGray does not truncation entail the reduction in the number of characters? "trunk" -> "trunc" does not look like truncation to me :)
 
2:56 PM
The k glyph was made smaller to only be a c, no?
 
@Scratte still not what truncation means :)
 
That just proved that even Cody isn't perfect.
 
what, you thought you are the only ones insufferably pedantic in this room?
@KevinM.Mansour that was a joke (see)
 
No.. we're three now. Not counting Kevin, who doesn't seem to have pedantic traits :)
 
@Scratte Really?
 
2:59 PM
Yeah. I was trying too hard to make it fit.
 

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