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12:12 AM
so apparently there's a concept in data science of a "Shapley value", presumably named after someone. There's a that has a few questions related to that, and also a shap library with its own tag that apparently does something related
however, there's also a popular Python library called shapely, and questions about it can get mistagged due to a typo
I went through and retagged as appropriate; there are now only 9 questions... what I'm wondering is if it causes harm to have a tag that's accidentally typo-squatting
 
12:25 AM
also in "so apparently": the system currently considers Python keeps saying Module Not found error an acceptable title, but not Why do I get a Module Not found error? which IMO is clearer and demonstrably less silly
 
 
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4:12 AM
@KarlKnechtel speculation without checking: the difference is the length
 
4:30 AM
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Q: Are all Generative AIs banned?

Mr DeveloperI recently came across this answer. The answerer's profile acknowledges that We are an AI Generated response community, we are real humans who want to help people. The answer has an explaination and code at the top, while at the bottom, a boldface section states human here:, and then gives furt...

 
@CodyGray As VLAZ mostly correctly notes, it doesn't detect repeating stuff that's one "word" (which doesn't actually use \b as described but might as well): github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/…
it's also dependent on the percentage of the post that the repetitive content makes up
> If this helps you please upvote. This is brought to you by Creative AIs, bringing AI generated solutions to everyone. :) If you are curious about us check out our bio. Stack Overflow can be a toxic place and we are trying to change that for the better :) We hope this solution helps!
oh good grief
Nope, not okay, this code is obviously non-functional
 
5:15 AM
...argh, I guessed the indentation wrong. Point stands though.
 
5:46 AM
Yeah, the solution certainly works. Collapsed indentation is not a unique problem to AI generated content
 
Can an 11-rep user comment on MSO?
 
Only if it's their own post or the answers on it. Same rules as on main I think.
 
Drat. Would be nice if they could weigh in. I guess they'd have to write an answer.
 
@KarlKnechtel Ryan is correct. The cutoff is 40 characters "Why am I getting a Module Not found error?" would pass. Your variant that fails validation is 38 characters while the accepted title is 42. The regex is here in case you ever want to game the system
 
@HenryEcker Yeah, I have sort of mixed feelings seeing that it actually works, but if you're going to skirt the line it's also sort of incumbent on you to check that it works as you pasted it.
 
6:22 AM
 
Excellent! Glad to have their input
 
Now let's just hope the comments don't spiral out of control under their answer.
 
Yeah, it could be messy. Tried to put some positive gloss on things:
Separately from all of the above and the rest of the discussion: Thank you for weighing in. It's important that we get a variety of perspectives on how and whether it might be possible for AI-generated content to exist responsibly within this ecosystem. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
 
7:11 AM
@PranavHosangadi Fair enough I cannot say I disagree but no worries I wont be posting anymore, I thought I was being helpful but I am not trying to waste peoples time and honestly I do get quite busy throughout the days anyway I will just put more time and effort into my videos :) — Creative AIs 7 mins ago
I'm not sure how you class a "I take my ball and going home" comment.
 
Victory?
 
I mean, could be.
 
If it means fewer AI-generated answers, it no doubt is.
 
I found weird the argument that wrong answers are to be expected. Everybody makes mistakes. Which is true (I am known to seldom not make a mistake) but I feel like if you're trying to show off how cool AI is and how you're good at making AI generated content, that's not really a strong argument for all of that.
If your AI is bad at its job and you're bad at even taking its job to use. And then presenting it for others to use. That's more than a single failure. At least in my eyes.
 
7:46 AM
Personally I'm not, like, inherently opposed to AI assistance in answers
emphasis here on assistance
but there needs to be some minimum standard for it, and I think the bar needs to be higher than "as accurate as some of our worst contributors"
 
7:59 AM
So, no bar at all?
 
8:11 AM
@RyanM Might be time to raise the bar of the worst contributors, too.
Broken windows.
 
@VLAZ I don't think we could get another 25 mods for that in the next election...
 
8:30 AM
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Q: Rename [googleplacesautocomplete] to [google-places-autocomplete]

MrUpsidownAlmost all Google Maps and other related Google libraries tags are now following the same naming convention, for example google-places-api, google-directions-api, google-geocoding-api etc. I would therefore suggest to rename the googleplacesautocomplete tag to google-places-autocomplete.

 
@RyanM Give users with 10k+ rep the ability to launch somebody into the moon. It's like a delvote. But for a user. And doesn't really "delete" them, just moves them.
More seriously, I'd love more tools to deal with bad answers. A downvote is not enough. Delvotes might not even work if a bad contribution has two upvotes. Or 100.
However, I really don't know what FR I can do about it. I'm pretty sure it'd be met with a lot of resistance whatever it is.
 
Yeah, and answer bans are really hard to catch...
IMHO one thing would be reworking the post-ban system
it catches people it shouldn't, fails to catch people it should, and barely works at all for answers.
 
When I feel like pretty much the entire answer is completely wrong, the most effective tool I have to communicate that to others is:
because a downvote is dreadfully inefficient. In fact, too often downvote alone might attract a "counter upvote".
 
8:45 AM
my conclusion here is that the meaning of the this keyword in JavaScript is unknowable
 
"Are you afraid of spam? Well, I have a bunch of solutions for you: ... for the first month, no new user can post anything." oh honey the spammers learned that trick yeeeaaarrsss ago; they post from aged accounts all the time.
 
9:18 AM
@RyanM I mean, knowable. There are rules for it. But you're not too far off. The #4 most frequent question is How to access the correct this inside a callback. It's unknowable to many. More specifically, many expect this to act like other languages like Java where if you have sayHello() { return "Hello" + this.name } it's always going to be the instance which is referred to by this. In JS that's not necessarily the case.
this was a mistake
 
@E_net4theidiotdownvoter You can see for yourself here: stackoverflow.com/questions/75221898/…
The question was deleted because it was a request to debug ChatGPT-generated code, which isn't allowed.
 
I mean, they were 99% correct in the story they told.
The question was deleted in response to a flag that was, indeed, from a high-rep user.
 
9:52 AM
> Introduce negative tags for better visibility. I.e. when question is about [python 2], red tag <s>[python 3]</s> can emphasize that it's not welcomed any more to discuss newer versions.
Actually, interesting idea about "negative tags". Never thought about it. I'm not sure it's a good idea but interesting nonetheless.
 
10:12 AM
> What about questions with English so bad it can't be understood?
What about inquiries so bad one can't tell whether they're serious?
 
I love that you saw that comment before I did, and it went into my inbox.
 
@E_net4theidiotdownvoter Yeah. if it can't be understood close as Unclear. What's unclear about that?
@CodyGray In fairness, you're not checking your inbox.
 
@VLAZ Maybe that no such reason exists? :-)
@VLAZ I am now! Mostly... At least, I can now check it, if I want to. Whereas before it was impossible to use.
 
@CodyGray I don't know what you're talking about:
It exists in dark mode, at least.
 
Haha
If we were going to rename all of the reasons, I think we could rename them all to "Unsuitable". Or, perhaps, "Terribad".
 
10:21 AM
badd
 
Realistically, there are two close reasons: "Close but can be edited" and "So off-topic that it can't be reopened unless everything about the question is changed".
Maybe a third one which is when you think should be closed but aren't sure if it's reopenable.
 
I don't think the second category exists.
Even in the most extreme example, you might think a question is not about programming, but then they edit to clarify that they're actually trying to perform the operation programmatically.
 
 
Seems clear, narrowly-focused, and on-topic.
 
Arguably, that's trolling. And I'd argue for it.
^ self-answer by OP
Both were nuked with at least a R/A flag on them.
 
10:27 AM
Heh. Guess who did that?
 
Still better than "This is just a test, please don't downvote!!11"
 
This one is let's say more suited to other stacks. At least:
Like maybe ESP.SE
 
Sounds like they need to use jQuery
 
And yet, the answer had a link to a power strip on Amazon.
 
10:54 AM
> [...] you are not good enough to be as quick and confident with your judgements of rudeness and badness as you think you are, so your false negative rate on downvotes, [...] and so forth is too high. And even if by some chance you individually are not overshooting the mark, too many of the people on your side of this issue are.
<yoda>Too many, on your side of this issue, are</yoda>
 
I am actually that good.
 
What are false negative downvotes?
Or a false negative rate on downvotes?
 
It means that you downvoted a post that should not have been downvoted. Thus, the downvote is a false-negative.
I guess your point is that that would be a false positive?
 
Obviously, a pity upvote.
 
I was confused what it is. False "negative" where the negativeness is downvoting? So it was "incorrect downvotes". Or was it actually something about the rate which made it negative. Perhaps, too many downvotes to upvotes ratio? Too little downvotes to upvotes ratio?
 
11:12 AM
I honestly think they're talking about incorrect/undeserved downvotes. Downvotes on a post that shouldn't be downvoted.
 
Too little voting, and a too high complaint:vote ratio.
 
Because they're basically saying that you're not good enough [i.e., accurate enough] to be as quick and confident with your judgments [of the quality of the post, and thus with your votes] as you think you are.
 
So it's an accusation of someone lacking the necessary dexterity to move the cursor onto the right button? Or the necessary intelligence to map their assessment of quality into the decision to vote accordingly?
 
Every vote I cast is accurate. I might just be wrong.
 
@E_net4theidiotdownvoter Mmm...neither. It's saying your judgment which motivates your vote is wrong.
 
11:15 AM
@CodyGray Has the day arrived? We have mind readers now?
 
You fail to accurately assess the quality/accuracy of the post, and therefore you cast a downvote that is undeserved/inappropriate. You especially fail to accurately assess the quality/accuracy of the post when you do so very quickly.
@E_net4theidiotdownvoter It doesn't require reading minds. Although it does require adopting/imposing some objective criteria for when a post should be voted up or down.
We have fairly objective criteria already...
 
(To be clear, I am not making an accusation. I'm trying to translate the quoted comment.)
 
@E_net4theidiotdownvoter Well, mind readers have been in very high demand on SO based on the questions we get where only mind readers can answer.
 
@CodyGray Speaking of accusations, the OP of that question says that the code in the question was not AI generated.
 
11:23 AM
"I was just joking"
Wow, yeah, that's totally the first time we've ever heard that.
 
"I was just joking about wishing the downvoter get cancer, I swear!!1"
 
@E_net4theidiotdownvoter Can't tell if this is supposed to be fake.
 
Definitely fake. No one has ever apologized for wishing a downvoter got cancer.
 
I mean, there definitely were people allegedly hoping the downvoters (and sometimes their families) would (get cancer).
Good thing we have moderators to throw them out.
 
Little-known fact: we're actually oncologists.
 
11:37 AM
@E_net4theidiotdownvoter Yep. And I wouldn't be surprised if any of them went with the "just a joke" defence.
 
"I was just joking about wishing the trolls disappear when I snap my finger!!1"
 
 
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3:01 PM
@NewPosts So, I tried to check and try to clean up what I can now. However, it went from 293 questions there yesterday to 14 when I checked it now. Not sure at which point the cleanup happened, but seems good now. Thanks in backwards to whoever was involved.
 
3:12 PM
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Q: Stack Overflow is adding a 1st party targeting cookie

SlateWe have created a new 1st party targeting cookie, “prov_tgt”. This cookie collects the information we will use to serve targeted course advertisements. You can find this new cookie in the list of targeting cookies Stack Exchange uses with your consent. In accordance with our policy on when we req...

 
3:23 PM
@NewPosts And immediately after seeing this, I was prompted.
I don't know if that's how the dialog is intended to look on high contrast dark mode or it is unintended.
 
I mean
it's certainly high contrast to the rest of the page
 
That it does.
Very noticeable.
 
ah, that explains why I got the popup, too
I was just thinking "why couldn't that pop up during Winter bash?!"
 
3:49 PM
@VLAZ My ad blocker blocks the dialog
 
I'm pretty sure uMatrix blocks it on my other machine. I'll be able to confirm soon when I transfer over to it. On this one I only have uBlock origin and it doesn't. At least not with the basic filter lists it has.
 
> Does anyone can help me please by explaining step by step how to use this SSO PHP Package in my both application (Laravel & Yii) to create a Single Sign-One ???
> Thanks my advance for your help.
 
Single Sign-One - when you really want to make sure a sole user has access.
 
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Q: Misleading instructions for Closed question

skinnedKnucklesMy StackOverflow quesiton was closed with the following message I chose the second option "post a new one" and invested serious time and effort to improve the clarity of my question with more details. I deleted my former question so it would not be regarded as a duplicate. My improved question ...

 
@NewPosts Anywhere mortals can see what the close notification looks like for the author of the question?
I have few closed questions, so I check those. But they don't cover all reasons.
 
4:02 PM
you can find the meta post that announced the change
well
i'd assume you could anyway
so's search can suck at times
 
Not reproducible:
Duplicate:
Both on MSE.
The duplicate guidance is also funny because I accepted the dupe target. But it tries to educate me on why it was closed as dupe.
 
4:23 PM
Jesus
Wanted to see how high I could get
Got to aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa before getting rate limited, and there were still matches
 
that's 310 answers you coulda posted
 
@AndrewT. FFS, I hate these questions. I should edit to drop the "fixed" part, then repost it as an answer. But it also seems like it's closable anyway. Overall - a mess.
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine A
 
flag flag flag
 
@aynber I appreciate the number of those that are about finalizers. Finalizers are a trap.
 
4:35 PM
And now I've ear wormed myself and I need more music
 
@NewPosts oh come on this is not a duplicate of the what-should-I-do-when-... question
 
aww, most of the "I'm wasted" should be "I've wasted"
 
@aynber to be fair it could be both
 
"I'm wasted from morning to night trying to do this". hehe
 
4:41 PM
@VLAZ FINAL EDIT: closed as typo
 
@RyanM FINAL FINAL EDIT when?
 
Love that the first 2 links are rickrolls
 
nice
 
5:38 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine Top question: "Comparing Strings To Ensure "RickAstley" is the only thing that can trigger song"
It's top in both position and how good the title is.
 
6:01 PM
Would y'all bet there are more deleted or not deleted results for that search?
As a hint (?), it's close: the difference is 6.
 
Six, as in |deleted - nondeleted| = 6 or one is six times more? Also, which is "that search" - the rickrolls?
Well, I think I'd bet on "more deleted" but still would like to know which search I'm betting on.
 
@VLAZ Absolute value, not multiplication. And "never gonna give you up"
Also clearly my reputation for sarcasm is getting the better of me, since 6x would clearly not be "close" :-p
 
It's the Internet. Anything could be sarcasm. Even this message.
 
Before looking, I guessed "more deleted." The answer.
 
Clearly, while exaggerated, the "never gonna leave you" still rings true.
 
6:45 PM
đźš˝
> if you don't bend to the will of our AI overlords you all will be left in the dust
 
7:08 PM
But I'm not very bendy. Maybe I should do some yoga or something. What is the preferred physical exercise for the AI overlords? So we maintain maximum bendiness.
 
> The community is strong and growing;
hasn't it been in decline for years?
At best one can claim it's been stagnant, given traffic stats have hovered around the same for 5 years
> It’s an important moment for our customers, too. AWS, Azure, and Google Cloud (in addition to our other Collectives clients) can now meet their customers where they already are and build a trusted, bilateral connection through which to share accurate, cutting-edge information and updates. That includes announcing new releases, offering direct customer support, endorsing answers to user questions, and reviewing product feedback from the community.
they were already "meeting their customers" here prior to collectives with the same low quality content
> “Everything moves so fast and the source of truth changes often and things that are old can just be actively bad to learn.”
so instead of doing something about it they think adding udemy/pluralsight ads is the solution
that blog to me more or less reads as an eventual obituary. All of the seeming problems the SO community has, outside of the staging ground that is destined to fail, are being solved by pushing people away from SO rather than giving us the tools to do anything about it
 
7:38 PM
@KevinB They couldn't do many of those things though. Announcing stuff and endorsing answers in particular.
it's too bad there's not a "condemn answer" feature that does the opposite of endorsing it
 
yes, now they're endorsing the same low quality answers.
awesome!
 
I have a particular answer that I'd like to condemn if there's ever an Android Collective
because it's very popular, and it's wrong.
 
don't you have a magical delete button
 
I mean if I were going to wave my privileges at it I'd just, like, delete the offending line that's incorrect
 
i can't overstate how much this blog post pisses me off
 
7:43 PM
Which blog post is this? I mostly don't read the blog
 
Prashanth Chandrasekar on January 31, 2023
It was a busy and successful quarter, so although my first update of 2023 takes place in a fundamentally different environment than my first of 2022, my optimism for the future has not changed. It’s simply joined by a dose of pragmatism. 
 
anyone want to guess how much alt text there is in that blog post
(spoilers: it's the usual amount)
 
They're all decorative images what do you mean? /s
 
Good news: I've found a good use for ChatGPT on Stack Overflow: writing meta posts about the blog posts not having alt text.
Yes I am aware of the irony of linking that as an image.
 
7:59 PM
@KevinB Step 1: Eliminate administrative overhead
Step 2: find someone else to write step 2 because the redundant administrative overhead eliminated the CEO
 
 
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Q: Cannot update a component while rendering a different component

vireloxI'm trying to do an information if a staff member is currently online or not. I send a query to the server if the user has a moderation rank. Since I need to check it every 60 seconds or so, I put the code in App.tsx. However, every time I query the server, it refreshes the entire DOM. I could us...

 

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