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12:33 AM
stackoverflow.com/a/75279139 this was a link only, then they apparently copied the linked SO answer from another question to this one. What should happen? Retract my NAA flag? Something else
 
Normally, you'd retract and mod flag and say it was a link-only NAA that's edited into a self-repost (... of course assuming the answerer is the owner. If it's blatant plagiarism, say it's edited into plagiarism), with a link to the source in both cases
I just nuked it though, so no need to do anything this time
 
12:48 AM
Thanks
 
1:40 AM
@ZoestandswithUkraine it does appear to me that OP asked fundamentally the same question twice, and that answerer was offering the same answer twice
 
2:15 AM
2 messages moved to friendly bin (Sorry for the room invite, just cleaning up the transcript)
 
 
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Q: A locked question is marked as a duplicate of an inferior canonical, under the old system

Karl KnechtelThe question Python math is wrong has been locked, apparently after warring over whether to delete it after being marked as a duplicate. I agree that it is a fine signpost and should not be deleted. However: The question was closed under the old system. The duplicate target, Python rounding err...

 
 
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8:42 AM
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Q: What does a developer tools question need to be welcome on Stack Overflow?

Minion3665I recently saw and answered a question on SO about Azure Boards. The question was later closed, but I'm not sure why. The close reason was that it is "not about programming or software development" but "software tools [primarily/commonly] used by programmers" is included in that definition. Like ...

 
9:04 AM
@NewPosts seems to have collected a bunch of stuff about non-programming...
 
9:20 AM
>Yes. it answered by question. Thank you. @KarlKnechtel
... OP had asked essentially the same question twice, and I proposed the dupe back to the other one
 
9:36 AM
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Q: Long Search Strings

PeterI am searching for [C++] questions. I do this based on tags. Furthermore, I do want to answer [C++] and C++ related questions with tags like vector, stack, string or other C++ language elements. I do not want to get results for specific topics, like "vulcan", "opengl", "yaml", "cmake" or similar....

 
Is the inbox message grouping buggy? I think I ran into the same issue a couple of times and it seems wrong:

1. Somebody replies to my comment.
2. They reply again. (I haven't checked my notifications yet)
3. I see that I have two notifications. I check but only lists one (because it groups them?)
4. I click on it to both clear the notification and go to the post.
5. I now have *one* notification. About the message from 1.
Also for 3. the notification I see previews the comment from 2.
 
 
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12:32 PM
OK, I'm getting more and more baffled by something akin to plagiarism. I'm not saying it is, just because the whole thing doesn't make sense. Take this post (it's the whole post):
The syntax is invalid but it sort of tries to answer the question. The code isn't plagiarised (AFAIK) but the comment is. Yet, it doesn't even make sense in context - there are no quotes. Not even in the question.
The comment text shows up on W3Schools, Codingsummit (plagiarised from W3Schools), and munelly.com (again, plagiarised)
The user didn't (again, AFAIK) copy the code with the comment. They must have copied the comment for inscrutable reasons. I doubt it's ChatGPT which might have included a comment that replicates a source. Because ChatGPT would at least generate syntactically valid code.
 
1:04 PM
 
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Q: Update search help for intags:mine

toolicThe search help for intags:mine still refers to "favorite" tags on Stack Overflow. This is outdated since "favorites" were replaced by "Watched Tags". This is how the help is worded: intags:mine returns only posts that appear in tags you have marked as favorite. Please update the help to refe...

 
I'm OK with them being stacked. Yes, it'd be better if it was explicit. What I found "buggy" is that it apparently only marks the last message from the stack as read.
 
I think it's because it links to only one comment, and that comment gets marked "read" when you click on it, but because the other comment isn't linked, it doesn't get marked
so yes, buggy
especially since you can't ever see the previous comments in the inbox, so you just have to click refresh and mark all as read
 
1:30 PM
So much to process in this one.
 
1:42 PM
 
1:55 PM
@VLAZ is this the same issue?
 
 
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2:58 PM
@HenryEcker Yes, thanks.
 
3:15 PM
> how is this getting downvoted when it has already helped someone else? need a real mod to check this
Oh, the naïve mind
 
3:29 PM
because it didn't help me, duh
> Prepared this as an answer to a question raised here and thought it would be beneficial for others if this was created as an article.
is how to use a web ui even an on topic question here?
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Q: How to create OAuth2 Opaque(Reference) Access Tokens

Bilal AhmedHow to create OAuth2 Opaque(Reference) Access Tokens in apimanager 410? I followed enter link description here, but cannot find OAUTH token type when we create applications. I want to create this application because of the issue enter link description here. if same token is sent every time we cal...

 
3:53 PM
@E_net4theidiotdownvoter Not one of those fake mods that hang around.
@KevinB Probably not. Depends if it's a developer tool but given that you're asking, I'd guess you were aware of that thus it's not.
Oh wait - you posted the question. Thought it was a lost soul on Meta.
Ugh, it's the WSO Borg Collective. Dunno.
 
4:06 PM
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Q: How do I use GPT or ChatGPT to ingest my intranet wiki pages and respond to Q&A based on that content?

Arun Prakash NagendranI have loads of intranet wiki pages that none bother to read. I want to make the content Q&A based which should be done automatically. i.e The content must be ingested as-is but questions raised about it must be responded to with an answer. AFAIK, based on the internet reading, the GPT model alre...

 
also seems a bit shady to take an SO answer and convert it into an article
doubling up on votes
 
Including downvotes
 
@NewPosts off-topic ChatGPT questions on Meta...? 🤦
 
4:21 PM
@CodyGray The experiment goes live today and will run until February 1. — Salmon_of_Wisdom ♦ 36 secs ago
For...a day?
 
inb4 2024
 
i mean, given it's going to be presented to a large percentage of anonymous traffic,
 
@AndrewT. Honestly, not sure if trolling. FWIW, it was deleted by delvotes, wasn't self-deleted. Were it the latter, I'd have been less inclined to think it's trolling.
 
one day will be a decent amount of data, and given the "success" metric is just not less traffic sent to the blog it should be fairly "successful"
given that the change is making the blog articles more prominent/distracting
next: A/B Test: We're making the blog article container red
 
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A: Let's say bye bye to [hello]

V2BlastThis tag (along with many other tags created on draft Articles) has now been cleaned up. As I indicated in an earlier comment, this was one of several tags that was "stuck" due to being on a draft Article. There were a few issues involved here; originally, Article drafts allowed authors to create...

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@KevinB The A/B test after that "We'll make the blog link follow the user's mouse and always be under it"
 
4:59 PM
@VLAZ :)
 
5:27 PM
> type here
also, neat screenshot: i.stack.imgur.com/bRvZa.jpg
 
@KevinB Skynet, is that you?
It's probably better as a HAL 9000 joke, in hindsight. Oh well, you now have to live with my Skynet joke.
 
3 high rep users ask for clarification on an unclear question, not one casts any form of vote
and then one of them dupe hammered it to an unrelated question
 
hope it wasn't me...
 
these three users on a whole different level of high rep
 
5:42 PM
ah
 
6:20 PM
@NewPosts Seriously? An edit war over something so insignificant as a meta commentary?
 
 
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7:57 PM
> If you did downvote , please upvote.
 
what should i do if i haven't voted yet
 
downvote then upvote?
then downvote again
 
@KevinB Vote sideways.
 
realizing the reason that message was flagged... :facepalm:
 
I didn't get it. Voted "not sure".
 
8:09 PM
they felt that they were saying someone else's advice was a waste of time... and considered that rude?
or something?
 
8:25 PM
Yes.
 
8:47 PM
chat really needs some improvement
the flagging system in particular
i can understand why one would flag those two messages, if they were flagging from the same point of view as flagging rude/unfriendly comments on main, but that's not how chat flags work; if approved they carry an immediate penalty permanently restricting privileges
 
I understand. So do you think the penalty should be lower in the case of chat rooms?
 
effectively... i see it as two tiers. There's problems an RO can deal with, these don't need to escalate to permanent penalties or chat-server-wide penalties, and then there's cases where a mod should step in and mediate.
escalating a flag to everyone with 10k rep is a relic of the past that needs to go
the current chat penalties are: flag approval by 10k users results in the message being deleted and the user being kicked and muted for 30 seconds, doubling every time. If a user is suspended from chat, they permanently lose the ability to create rooms. (i'm not 100% clear on what is considered a suspension vs a kick-mute, both display as a suspension on the chat profile)
RO's can directly issue kick-mutes as needed
 
I understand. But the fact that a flag is not approved (which will lead to a high penalty) does not mean that a moderator cannot moderate that situation and give warnings, right?
Which I understand is already great. Which I understand is already great for many situations (this occured in this situation). Although the situation continues to escalate there.
 
9:05 PM
right, a mod, or an RO, could mediate. Ideally RO's should be doing that, but if RO's aren't, mods can step in. Generally our jobs as RO's is to keep the room calm and friendly, to mediate arguments, and to generally avoid flags needing to be raised in the first place
The goal isn't necessarily to punish or document users who happen to cross a line, it's to keep the chat room civil
moving messages out of the room is the most effective tool we have
 
I think the central point is greater communication by the SO to everyone that a flag alerts several users (from what I understand, everyone above 10k right? Or would it be just moderators above 10k (to me it makes more sense)). For me, I could alert the owners of the room first, so that the owners of the room can act, and if the flag occurs again, then there would be an alert to the moderators.
 
everyone above 10k
there is a separate flag that does go just to mods
i'm not sure if it's available to everyone, but it's in the dropdown to the left of the message
 
What is the point that anyone above 10k is warned? Wouldn't it be a role only for room owners or moderators?
 
10k users get to vote on whether or not it was a valid flag
i'm not quite sure why it was implemented that way tbh
 
Perfect, I checked here and it really has these two types of flags, very interesting.
 
9:14 PM
we get no context other than the message itself, and a link to the transcript, it has a tendency to draw unnecessary attention to the situation
 
Right. The user who set the flag can't get the response of the flag he set?
 
correct
 
Ok
 
other than the message not being deleted, ofc
it either gets deleted, or not, based on the outcome
there's no inbetween
 
And the fact that it was deleted is like a punishment.
 
9:17 PM
the kick-mute is probably more of a punishment than the message being removed
 
Of course
Can room owners see who flagged in the room?
Or only by the fact if the room owner is a user above 10k?
 
only moderators can see who raised a flag
RO's get no special ability to see flags that were casted afaik
so a sub 10k RO might not even know one was casted
 
@KevinB Even if it's not the specific flag directed to moderators?
 
correct
 
Perfect, interesting.
How many votes are required to evaluate a flag?
 
9:33 PM
I'm not sure, but here's a meta post where some discussion of why flags are the way they are in chat happend
lul
forgot to paste the post
 
Right, thanks.
Honestly, there is somewhere some clear explanation of the differences between the common flag and the moderator flag.
Is this explained on some SO page?
 
9:48 PM
it'd be somewhere on MSO or MSE
definitely isn't explained here in chat.so
 
Right
Thanks
 
Ah, that actually raises another point i missed, a flag kick is 30 minutes. a kick mute starts at just 30 seconds
 
Nice, thanks
 
quite a difference in severity, with no room for nuance once it's a flag and not a thing being dealt with by the RO
a mod though could always step in and remove/lessen it
 
Right
 
10:01 PM
given the issues tim post raised, for example, i'd prefer the system they were considering, with a caveat: the "handled by ro" flags remain flags that mods are expected to review later
creating an opportunity to "review the reviewiers" so to speak
 
10:22 PM
I agree.
 
 
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11:48 PM
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Q: Extra reputation when a comment exceeds 50 or 100 upvotes?

Dennis KozevnikoffAn upvote on an answer gives a user +10, and a useful comment, if it gets a lot of upvotes can be considered a mini-answer. What do you think about the idea of giving users extra reputation of +1 after their comment gets let's say 50 upvotes?

 

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