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Q: What should be done when documentation links in an answer become 404?

rupinderjeetThere are many questions/answers where Flutter's documentation links are old and dead. These links start with docs.flutter.io, whereas the new URLs should start with api.flutter.dev. An example from this question: Outdated link: https://docs.flutter.io/flutter/material/AppBar/automaticallyImplyLe...

 
 
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5:16 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine One of the few photos of sockpuppets gathering to form a ring. Very few have survived to see the actual ring. Of those who survived, all had lost their sanity. The terrible power of the sockpuppet ring is more than any mortal mind can handle. Also any camera - any attempt to photographically document the event has destroyed the device.
 
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Q: Failed a plagiarized Late Answer audit

not a robotI came across this review on the Late Answers review queue. The answer, albeit very brief, addressed the question, so I clicked "Looked OK". Only then it became apparent that it was an audit and I had failed it. Apparently it had been copied from other posts without attribution (it had copied ano...

 
5:34 AM
@NewPosts Sadly, this post was seen (as evidenced by the close and delete voters) by at least two people who could have answered it, had you not asked it in the completely wrong place.
@VLAZ Inspired by a discussion in here.
 
Yep, I remember it. I just didn't follow the topic to see it materialised in such splendour.
 
Heh
A few minutes in Paint didn't result in all that much splendor
It could be better
 
 
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6:58 AM
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Q: What happens if I merge my Stack Overflow accounts?

Maheswar KARAKKATTU KISHOR KUMI have been planning to merge my original Stack Overflow account with an accidentally created one. Do I lose my reputation and questions (from both accounts)? Or, does the reputation and all questions add up to one account?

 
7:18 AM
Today on "Stack Exchange buttons that look less like buttons than the vote buttons"
 
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Q: Ask to rename a misspelled tag [yugabyte-db]

FranckPachotI'm Developer Advocate at Yugabyte. Please can you rename the yugabyte-db tag to yugabytedb as that's the name of the database.

 
@CodyGray I don't know if you mean the inbox button, the achievements button, or the "Join this community" button. Or all of them.
 
Yes
But mainly the "join this community" button
 
7:37 AM
Yep. You need the shadow on two sices, at least. Better on all.
But how about instead of that, we add some padding? That's all the rage these days.
As in, it brings up rage in me when I see it.
 
8:04 AM
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Q: Enhance close and delete links

MrUpsidownWhile we are currently running A/B testing on button styling for vote arrows, I am wondering whether the Close and Delete links on posts could also be enhanced in terms of UX. Here is how the Close link looks when I have voted to close a question. And here is how it looks when someone else has v...

 
8:19 AM
I've started making a list of ideas for userscripts I want to do. I literally added one about enhancing the delete thing today.
IMO, at the very least it should be highlighted if you've voted. But also possibly you might have different dialog when you've already voted, since I know it's very easy to click it again and accidentally remove your delvote.
 
9:02 AM
@VLAZ It seems to have a fair amount of padding already. You just can't see it because of the monochrome color scheme.
@NewPosts I kinda don't like that this implies we should turn those into buttons or move them somewhere else. It's nice having all those links together.
I'd be totally fine with making it clearer who that (1) applied to, but... I'd otherwise rather leave them alone?
 
@CodyGray how do I upvote this chat message on the post? It doesn't seem to appear under it.
 
@CodyGray I'm thinking of something like this. Current:
If you've voted:
Visually indicate it but still keep it the same.
 
Someone made a userscript that makes it "Delete" and "Retract delete". Simple, clear.
 
@RyanM I think you're confused?
@VLAZ But... maybe the other way around?
So it's grayed out and less inviting when you have already voted and there's nothing more to do?
 
@CodyGray The joke was supposed to be that I am unable to upvote this because you posted it in chat instead of a comment or answer.
 
9:13 AM
Eh, this was an example by using the current "different style" that already exists. I agree it's not great. It should probably be something more greyed out. The current colour scheme of all the buttons is grey-ish.
 
@RyanM Oh. Well, yeah. Oddly, things are more visible these days when I post them in chat?
@VLAZ Opacity to the rescue?!
 
9:28 AM
Probably
 
 
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11:22 AM
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Q: Can we just stop the toxic closing of questions from new users?

DonalI have answered 2 questions from new users recently, they were identified as new users. However, the questions were closed for stupid reasons. One reason was it lacked focus?? The other was because it was a duplicate? But the question was more specific than the duplicate question. It seems to me ...

 
@NewPosts grabs popcorn
Ugh, why can't people who have a half-decent point write a useful post explaining said point, rather than a rant?
Although, if you're talking about stackoverflow.com/q/72739671/208273, I'm inclined to agree with you: I don't see how that lacks focus. I cast the final reopen vote. — Ryan M ♦ 59 secs ago
Please disregard that I am always the final reopen vote because I'm a moderator; there were already two so it was very democratic.
 
11:42 AM
Yeah actually the dupe closure was also terrible.
Although I agree with @VLAZ that they're probably dupes...or at least, the first one is.
Found a dupe for the first one.
The second one...might be too specific to have a dupe.
I don't know what I'd search to find that.
 
Quick search lead me to a dupe about "executing something" but it didn't include "waiting for it to finish". I had already spent 1 minute too long than what I really wanted - I verified it's a dupe. At best, it was a multi-dupe.
 
@VLAZ site:stackoverflow.com wait for command to finish C# on Google :-)
 
The second one is too specific to be really useful. The more general things are the .Any() and .All() calls. Or even more generally it's composed of: 1. "how to check if all items are the same/specific item" 2. "how to check if a specific item exists" 3. "how to check if only specific items exist". The improvement thing which is "how to check for each thing but with less code" is probably POB/Broad. Or a CodeReview question in itself. But it's also another thing asked.
 
The second one, I'd honestly accept Needs More Focus as reasonable.
 
And ultimately "how to make these specific checks with less code" is not too broadly applicable. It might be but then I'd also assume there is a dupe.
I'm also quite annoyed at the accusation that closing is only done for rewards. When. When the gamification extremely heavily incentivises posting. Which the user has been doing.
 
12:00 PM
@VLAZ We should have a canonical for "what badges, rewards, etc. are there for closing questions?"
 
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Q: Web development CMS popularity / split technology popularity by development type

fabpicoAccording to a moderator reply, I open a more specific question. I would like to have a statistic for web development, that shows which CMSs are widely used today. So one can compare for example Drupal vs. WordPress. In the Stack Overflow Survey 2021 & 2022 I see Drupal only being compared with a...

 
12:34 PM
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Q: Burn [ftl] or make synonym of [freemarker]

Jasper de VriesThe file extension of FreeMarker templates is ftl. I don't see the point of having an additional freemarker tag being its file extension (ftl). If it can't be burned, it should at least be a synonym IMO. See for example: how shall I store date into a variable without changing type of the date in ...

 
 
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1:58 PM
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Q: Getting stack overflow to color my code CORRECTLY

user18807217I have been making various stackoverflow questions and answers that of course have code in them, like this. app.get('/error', (req, res) => { res.render('signup', { error: 'enter a username'}); // Could also be "enter your name", or "enter your password". }); Many of my questions have both...

 
2:15 PM
@NewPosts this is starting to feel like when everyone switched to "Click Here!" links 10 years ago because people didn't know how to use a web page
how about navbars that open when you hover over them, but never close until you click to toggle it closed
(not SE, some other site)
 
 
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7:52 PM
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Q: How may a Stack Overflow user group be used to notify the group members?

LizIn an attempt to tag a group of editors (on a team site) to review an article, I created a Stack Overflow user group. However, I am unable to use/mention the created group in a comment, nor am I able to mention the group in a down vote providing input.

 
8:04 PM
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Q: 20 most viewed questions that need answers

Melanie ShebelSome of these questions do have answers, but these answers have negative votes. This post will be updated with other popular questions over time. Only questions with upvotes will be removed from the list. In addition, this list has new questions sprinkled throughout! That means other questions ha...

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Q: My question was closed due to "seeking recommendations for books, tools, software libraries, and more". Explain why

Vatorio I have a question about my Stack Overflow post: Making discord self-bots with python today I asked a question about tools and libraries in python that help building self-bots for Discord using python, as I'd been looking for them everywhere for hours in vain. Eventually I found what I needed a...

 
@NewPosts initiating something that has been done as a site mod to another site won't be that smooth...
 
that's what bounties are for
> Only questions with upvotes will be removed from the list.
wat
 
8:37 PM
@NewPosts wut?
 
@NewPosts I quote: "are there any well-documented tools in python to make one?"
Follow-up question: why is the produce at the grocery store in the section labeled "produce"?
 
9:05 PM
@RyanM There are several, e.g. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/400625 and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/253143. They're closed as duplicates of meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/305524, which seems reasonable. Though, it looks like the target should be reopened, unless there's a canonical that's still open, in which case the duplicate links on the others should be adjusted accordingly.
 
@cigien agreed, VTR'd. FFS, I am so tired of the "opinion-based" close reason on meta. It has its uses, but it ain't one of them
 
Hmm, had to look up "FFS". Thanks, I don't recall seeing that before :)
 
you don't know what For Freyja's Sake is? :)
lol
now... guess what I find funny here - the old review outcome, the mod sandwich, the line hight, or the vertical alignment in the badge
 
9:31 PM
none of the above :p
 
correct! The funny thing is obviously the lack of spacing between the username and badges ["label"] :)
@OlegValteriswithUkraine grr, height...
 
 
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Q: What makes this a community wiki?

EnlicoWhat's special with this question? Why is it a wiki? I've read through this, but it didn't really help me understand. Yeah, I've recently answered to that question and got 1 upvote, so it's not a big deal, but I've just dreamt of many upvotes on that very answer :D

 
9:48 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Ain't nothin' funny 'bout a mod sandwich.
The line height seems fine. The vertical alignment in the badge is the main issue.
Random reviewers sometimes pick the right result.
 
@CodyGray but ain't it tasty? I heard fried spammers are trending these days
 
You're thinking of fried avocados
 
well, now I am thinking of fried avocados
 
:-)
Fried avocados are way better than fried Spam (or fried spammers).
Glad I could help
Narrator: He says unhelpfully.
 
dang it, now I am thinking about fried avocados and spammers...
 
9:54 PM
Mmmm, fried avocados and spam
On a moderator sandwich!
 
Does it depend on the moderator?
Are some tastier than others?
Some are certainly... crunchier.
 
I think so - apologies, but I rather not have a sandwich with glasses, too many shards to chew on
 
Yeah, that seems reasonable
 
neither the tree one - too many splinters
 
9:59 PM
I don't like getting chewed on
No response to the follow-up question of why I became an SO moderator.
Flexo, being a metal robot, also seems like a particularly bad choice.
Follow-up question: why do you hate all of the C++ mods, Oleg?
 
@CodyGray maybe because being crucified once a week is a kinder fate?
capybara sandwich sounds about right, though
 
Why are there faces?
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I think it's a wombat?
 
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Q: Downvote without comment should be banned

Eric OuelletIt happen more than half the time that my questions are downvoted before receiving any answers. It is often downvoted before receiveing any comments either. Do I ask bad questions. Perhaps some. But many of them reach many upvotes like 10 or more after a while. Most of them are just fine. Either ...

 
Ninja'd.
 
@CodyGray I don't, but I prefer not to eat them
 
10:05 PM
Because you are what you eat?
 
@NewPosts Minimum of at least 80 characters?!
 
@CodyGray maybe, but I prefer not to google "capybara sandwich" more than necessary
@NewPosts a single one?
 
@HenryEcker Yeah, really get that keyboard smashed.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Did you try wombat sandwich?
 
@CodyGray I swear I didn't eat @HenryEcker
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine these kinds of pancakes are one of the things I miss the most from living in Japan.
 
10:07 PM
@CodyGray to eat or to google? ... Come to think of it, I'd prefer neither option
 
Just don't eat the cubes
 
@HenryEcker they look yummy
 
@CodyGray nah if it's going to be anonymous might as well make it super constructive. I'm sure no one will have any problems with anonymous comments about how their post is bad /s
 
@CodyGray do you still need them for something? Have they not deleted everything?
 
10:09 PM
it just seem so odd to me... to see people with professional profiles make posts like that
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine haha, what?
@KevinB You mean posting videos of farting wombats?
 
nah, downvote complaints
 
@CodyGray oh, sorry, I assumed you proposed to chew on Dharman
 
like, iunno. the simplest search would pull up the duplicate, then you wouldn't make a fool of yourself
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine and where do you see cubes there, genius?
> Question that start negatively are very likely to be never answered and/or has a lot less attention
^ citation needed
 
10:12 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Dharman's not a wombat
Oh, right. I see. He's cubic. No, I meant the cubes generated by wombats.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Here's a citation: "ᵀʰᶦˢ ᶜˡᵃᶦᵐ ᶦˢ ʷʳᵒⁿᵍ"
 
@CodyGray the lifejacket badge concurs
 
That superscript "n" though...
 
@CodyGray you never know
 
i mean
 
@CodyGray I suppose they are quadratic come to think of it
 
10:16 PM
i can provide one counter example to that quote, but, i'll admit it's not the norm
 
Sure, there are easily individual counter-examples
 
logic is, apparently, a rarely used tool
 
Also an incorrect claim
I use it thousands of times per day
 
my most upvoted answer is on a post that was -7 at the time,
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Oh, I see. You're saying the opposite of what I initially thought you were saying.
 
10:18 PM
yes
 
Well, all that's saying is that most of the time, the downvotes are apt.
So the post doesn't get answered or attention because it shouldn't
 
@CodyGray did you just ... use the anecdotal evidence fallacy to illustrate the point?
 
No, I took advantage of the loophole that you failed to specify any context.
 
to expand on what I mentioned - I sincerely hope those jumping to conclusions about reasons from observing a small set of symptoms aren't working as doctors
 
Better check with Hovercraft
 
10:20 PM
i wouldn't be against making it easier to provide a little bit of anonymous context to downvotes without requiring said context
 
I think I can safely say I'm opposed to any sort of anonymous commentary...
 
@CodyGray checked - too many eels
 
a sort of... after you vote, a menu is available nearby where you can also specify [low quality, likely duplicate, poor title] etc and have the system present that in a more neutral tone
 
That way, people could have a specific thing to disagree with when they complain about "undeserved" downvotes?
 
sure
meta drama is fun
 
10:23 PM
> A downvote is negative. An upvote is positive
^ and now we reached the venerable question bugging thinkers for several millennia: why positive is better than negative?
 
It's almost like they think that votes are on users. Someone should clarify that in a comment.
I wish people would stop talking about "respect" when it comes to votes.
 
seems to be a common occurence, right? They always talk about "respect". I still fail to grasp what does voting have to do with respect
downvoters need to be more careful so as not to end up with a horse's head in the bed one day
> Many peoples donwvote when they don't understand or can't answer
^ another clairvoyant one
 
I mean
100%
That’s an accurate observation
I downvote posts that can’t be answered by reasonable users, often due to poor quality or missing info
 
heh, took a second to sink in :)
 
That an SME can guess what you did wrong in the code you didn’t provide isn’t a reason I shouldn’t downvote
 
10:32 PM
can someone write a bot commenting on those "proposals", please? The arguments OPs keep making can be literally addressed with quotes
 
Literally the 90% case is that questions are downvoted because they are unclear, lacking information, and/or cannot be understood.
 
11:25 PM
@NewPosts @AndrewT. I was just going to say, importing things from a non-SO site to SO is... probably not going to go well. (Not that I think it's a horrible idea.) Interestingly, she tried this back in 2019, it got closed, and self-deleted. Now, she self-censored nearly immediately. I wonder if this is somehow scripted/automated, and she's posting these to a bunch of SE sites, but didn't think in advance to special-case SO?
@AndrewT. I think the biggest issue may be the lack of an image of a Siberian husky trying to eat a toy.
 
@CodyGray I checked the network-wide activity and only Chemistry.SE and SO were visible (granted, it only has 5-pages worth of activities, oldest Dec 2021)
 
Hmm, OK. Weird.
I remember voting for her on Chemistry.
But... I like "pale, awkward, and small" :-)
 
I just tried that SEDE query on my site, and found at least 1 question that had an upvoted + good answer, except it was self-deleted :/
 
11:42 PM
The answer? Weird.
@Feeds This is horrible. Well, not renaming the Latin/Neo-Latin symbols, but all the rest!
But why change "I" to "Io"?
I also don't even get "Spite Element".
 

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