« first day (59 days earlier)      last day (1666 days later) » 

1:03 PM
The CV us still huge. The reported length is fake, so as not to demoralize the troops.
 
In any case, much larger than during the 3-vote experiment. And grown appreciably since the weekend...
 
:|
 
@Gimby I used VSC++ in 1999 and it was already pretty good. The compiler sucked (still sucks AFAIK) but the interface is fast & it's stable & works. You got to like the zillion tabs in he options though. Code::blocks tries to imitate that too... barf.
 
1:20 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You weren't using Borland or Watcom... heresy! :p
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I pushed shaped prisms through holes in 1999
 
@CindyMeister experiment part 2
we should ask Shog to account for this period as well ;)
 
1:38 PM
Yes. Ping him <evil-g>
Hmm dBase III in the early nineties. WordBasic, AccessBasic, Excel macro language, then VBA - all before Nick was pushing prisms :-) To say nothing of WitchPen (don't ask...)
 
@CindyMeister Might've been an exaggeration, I don't know what 4yr olds do :P
 
@Zoethetransgirl that answer annoys me
well, not particularly that answer, but mods historic refusal to fix a typo that's the same kind of typo that the OP was fixing periodically as he noticed them
but nooo it's "on a t shirt now so we can't change it that's sacrilege"
 
1:56 PM
@NickAthePopcornKing Four... I'd say piling up building blocks then knocking them down :-)
 
@CindyMeister Nice! That sounds much more fun that prism pushing
 
wait, it's on a tshirt?
 
@CindyMeister Yeah well that... or being mesmerised by an iPad or watching the Disney streaming service :) (source: my 3 year old nephew)
 
@Gimby Sure, but they didn't exist in 1999 :P
 
218
Q: Stack Overflow T-shirt, 3rd anniversary edition

JinI was talking to Jarrod the other night about the early days of Stack Overflow. I then realized SO came out of private Beta three years ago. What better way to celebrate this milestone than making a T-shirt for it? I wanted to come up with a design that's interesting and regular SO users can r...

back when SO was cool and sold T shirts
 
2:01 PM
D: That is a great shirt
 
(and gave them out)
 
Just noticed:
> Rege̿̔̉x-based HTML parsers are the cancer that is killing StackOverflow it is too late it is too late we cannot be saved
 
@NickAthePopcornKing 1999 was better
 
2:06 PM
Also, company just got re-certified for ISO27001, and apparently I was subject to assessment... but I didn't notice that happening
 
@Zoethetransgirl Jin was a good guy
 
looks like it, yeah
 
@NickAthePopcornKing yeah I know I'm old... but there are older people. Wait. Where is everyone?
 
@JonClements I used Borland (turbo debug to be exact) to crack MS-DOS games when Nick A wasn't born yet
 
2:14 PM
Do you want your popcorn softened? :P
 
haha I'll have it mixed thanks. with a straw.
 
y'all ancient :P
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre used an assembly bootstrap system myself but same thing :)
 
Jon you workhorse! at least assembly was understable
 
-1
Q: Unable to add API Controller to .NET Core 3 API Project

GregI currently have 2 projects setup - the first ia a .NET Core 3.0 API project and the second one is as well but just contains the EF Core models. I have added a model called Country to the model project and when I try to add a API controller using EF actions for the Country model, I get the fol...

 
2:16 PM
@Feeds unleash the meta effect
 
@Yvette Geez did we need a 4th link to that page? ;)
@Zoethetransgirl Nah, you're just a baby
 
Migrated? That's a new one
 
migrated to Stackoverflow. Not sure it's a gift for SO
 
@NickAthePopcornKing I'm technically a puppy :P
 
@Zoethetransgirl well, seems on-topic enough. TL;DR but I've read worse stuff on SO
what surprises you?
 
2:18 PM
Yeah, I've just never seen questions migrated from meta to main before, regardless of quality
@Jean-FrançoisFabre This dark magic allowing you to migrate from meta to main! :P
 
we mods can migrate any crap we want from meta or main to any site. I'm not sure local mods like it, and migration can be rejected.
Yeah I didn't try it yet. But it works. I could have migrated this question to homebrew or pets meta
but it would have bounced...
 
@Zoethetransgirl No, @JonClements is the pupper
 
I can migrate JonClements & Zoe to pets meta too.
3
 
@NickAthePopcornKing Right, because multiple is a problem :P
 
2:31 PM
Migrations are normally for stuff that's worth keeping. 99.9999% of SO questions posted to Meta are not worth keeping.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre should we create an area 51 proposal for a private site called "trash can"
 
Also, migrations are really more there to preserve answers. A question without answers can be deleted by the OP and reposted on the target site. We still migrate good questions without answers because we are basically nice. :-P
 
@Mgetz "friendly trash can"?
 
@NickAthePopcornKing of course, let's call it an 'archive'
 
I know I've seen at least one or two mods say they rarely use the move to arbitrary site function because unless a mod from the proposed target is available to check with it's too hard to tell if the destination site would accept it and they want to avoid failed migrations because they never leave anyone happy.
 
2:40 PM
@DanNeely That's one of the good things about the wizard as it is was, it funneled people over to the right site to begin with
 
3:07 PM
@Mgetz Sure! That could then become the secret beginners' site where we let them all help each other until they learn how to code and ask questions <evil-g> Just don't tell the PTB...
 
0
Q: Are questions about using codementor.io on-topic?

RubénI found some posts here that mentioned codementor.io. Few days ago I start using it as mentor. So far, I briefly explored their help center and online community. Also I already sent some question to their support email address but I'm so used to the SO style and I'm wondering if using the codemen...

 
@NickAthePopcornKing Ah, and I forgot the most important part: chewing on them <g,d&r>
 
o/
 
user3956566
3:24 PM
oi comrades in arms! I'm going to continue my break @AndrasDeak I think you will be pleased :) I realise I was happier having the break and not taking it is breaking me - yes, yes I meant to break the meaning of break... soooooo back to my horsey life... I will see you all in the new year.... you can follow me on youtube if you love and miss me, chances are I love and miss you too. Most of my vids are open to comments. And I do shower daily @JL2210.
2
 
user3956566
Now give me some popcorn! @NickAthePopcornKing before @Zoethetransgirl bites me!!
 
user3956566
ciao
 
Throws popcorn at @Yvette
 
user3956566
don't ping. I'm not coming back for a while and I'll feel so bad....
 
you can have it
 
user3956566
3:25 PM
I love you bozos
 
... for now
 
@Yvette OK
@Yvette no pings
 
user3956566
@Zoethetransgirl phew I was worried for a minute there.
 
user3956566
@NickAthePopcornKing yeh I got it the first time.. darnit
 
3:26 PM
@Yvette Sorry! :P
 
user3956566
I'm going to miss you chooks, BUT I cannot even chat without getting involved
 
user3956566
you know me
 
user3956566
@NickAthePopcornKing slap
 
user3956566
headline: ex-mod turns violent
 
user3956566
3:27 PM
on a serious note, if you need to contact me, I don't mind you chasing me on the you tubes.. so don't worry about that now.
 
user3956566
@NickAthePopcornKing don't make me leave with a sad face! I canno do it
 
user3956566
<3
 
user3956566
ofc, you too. Actually my horse is injured. Ill post a vid tomorrow. @CindyMeister dont' leave! I expect you to be here when I get back! Keep these bozos in line. Don't let them forget horses!
 
user3956566
3:29 PM
headline: yvette refers to meta as bozos
 
@Yvette I'm pleased if you don't go crazy ;)
 
@Yvette you're going to leave again? :( The first time you lasted about 2 months, the second time around a week, so I'm guessing you'll be back tomorrow then. You can't live without us.
 
people come and go all the time
 
Yeah, yesterday I went off to go to bed, then I came back
 
@NickAthePopcornKing You don't get out of chat until you go to bed? What a trooper.
 
3:35 PM
Even then I don't the tab stays open
 
> Could moderators chime in?
 
@Yvette Please just forget that I said the not showering thing. See you later!
 
@Yvette I plan to be here :-) Glad you're making the right choice for you!
Stay well. Hope whichever horse it is recovers quickly.
 
@CindyMeister If it's the horse that broke its leg it was a nasty kick, but they were still standing
 
@NickAthePopcornKing One of her horses has a broken leg? How did I miss that... I try to read everything. A broken leg on a horse is not usually something that can be fixed.
 
3:51 PM
0
Q: I provided a QA pair with a question that was too broad, what are my options?

ResonanceAt the risk of asking another question that will be poorly received: I wanted to share some knowledge I had recently acquired, and as I couldn't find a simple answer to my original research question I decided to share it here on stack exchange as a question and answer pair. However the question...

 
@CindyMeister I think it was a recent video, but it may have been dated from last year
Can't quite remember
 
Ah, OK. I don't follow the videos - I can't live from virtual popcorn I pick up off the floor here :-) Thanks!
 
Haha its <1min long IIRC
just shows the actual kick
 
I think I missed saying goodbye and now I can't ping her :-(
 
4:04 PM
Fun
 
user3956566
@CindyMeister it was 12 months ago and fractured in a few places. We're lucky she survived. she's nearly 15 hh now.
 
user3956566
@Druckles good bye xox
 
user3956566
ok now i"m going again!
 
user3956566
@Gimby yeh it lasted like minutes. Now I have to go again :p
 
Bye bye! ^_^
 
4:10 PM
@Zoethetransgirl I have little to say about this, besides.... meh.
 
@Zoethetransgirl pinned
 
I posted an answer on the official reply: meta.stackexchange.com/a/334257/308386
 
my jimmies are being rustled
 
Hey, slashdot picked up that register article: tech.slashdot.org/story/19/10/03/1557215/…
We're famous, folks.
 
That’s a god awful response. It’s still so vague and paints somebody badly without evidence
 
4:16 PM
@SterlingArcher I said it in my answer: Absence any published evidence, I'm not taking SE's description of events on faith over monica's
 
Inb4 all replies and concerns being ignored
 
I agree with that. But we’re not going to get more details. I at least hope Cerbrus is responded too, especially with the demodding process
 
Get your popcorn here folks: turns on popcorn machine
 
@Magisch all official responses throw shade at Monica. That's what you get if you oppose them as a mod. Loud and clear.
 
All in all... they dug the hole deeper with that one gg SE
 
4:18 PM
welp, if they want to ram the site into the ground, I'll gladly help.
 
"Friends," lol... what on earth gave [desired pronoun] that impression?
 
I was about to say that QQ
 
And they wonder why people are quitting. Hell I hardly sign into the js room anymore
 
@AndrasDeak George's answer says it best
They had a top shelf opportunity to defuse this right now
 
@Zoethetransgirl Thanks for the edit <3
 
4:19 PM
instead they ordered a water bomber to put out the fire and filled it with gasoline
 
@Nick Discord
 
@Magisch where?
 
13
A: An Update to our Community and an Apology

George StockerHere's what I was hoping for: On behalf of Stack Exchange I want to apologize to all of you. I messed up. When I made the call to terminate Monica's moderator relationship, I believed that it needed to be done at that moment, and in the manner it was done. I was wrong. Through my actions, ...

4
 
screams in onebox
 
unashamed onebox
 
4:21 PM
How did that not load for me? Poop mobile. Thanks
 
user3956566
i've made my last post until the new year :) I'm not logging in again until 2020. If you have horsey questions, please meet me on the you tubes xox
 
@Yvette Leave fast
s***s happening
 
user3956566
ikr! I posted
 
user3956566
-2
A: An Update to our Community and an Apology

I don't want to participateOnce again, several moderators and one in particular who confided in me were not happy with how Monica addressed them in Teacher's Lounge over a prolonged period of time. This was over the refusal to use the preferred pronoun of singular "they". One of the moderators at least stood down specifica...

 
user3956566
the downvotes are pouring in! I'm outta here! stat
 
user3956566
4:22 PM
what was that flash? it was the last they saw of yvette - again
 
@Magisch shit just got real
 
Realer then it already was?
SE is in the middle of its greatest mass exodus of the people it relies most on since its inception
 
Did someone jack George's account? I'm not accustomed to agreeing with him. :P
 
@Magisch yes.
 
And it don't look like its stopping. Have you read Zyn's resignation post on writing? That is pure fire and acid
 
4:24 PM
not yet
 
@Yvette wait, that's you?
 
There is more coming, apologizing here was our first step. We've been working hard. — Sara Chipps ♦ 1 min ago
 
I have an idea for a drinking game...
 
@Zoethetransgirl I thought you didn't drink ;p
 
@Magisch *Cyn's?
 
4:25 PM
might have gotten the name wrong
 
@Magisch nice
 
but yeah
 
@NickAthePopcornKing I drink lots! About 2l per day or something
 
What I drink matters :P
 
4:26 PM
I felt bad reading that and I wasn't addressed. I think this whole kerfuffle has only losers
everyone loses
Nobody is feeling better right now. Just a whole bunch o' misery going around
 
@GeorgeStocker That was really well written :-)
 
@NickAthePopcornKing can i get some more nachos? i get the feeling that this will be a long day
 
Sure hands over nachos with extra salsa and jalapenos
 
@Dragonrage Your wish this morning was apparently not granted
s gonna be a long transcript
 
4:34 PM
@Magisch i made it in before my message was buried. so im up to date for the most part
@NickAthePopcornKing look at the customer service, he remembered my order and everything
 
@GeorgeStocker they should hire you for public relations.
 
They've already started removing comments
 
That question is burning through my votes >.>
> You haven't voted on questions in a while; questions need votes too!
 
someone give the popcorn cat a raise
 
4:36 PM
Make it so!
@NickAthePopcornKing, we'll be increasing your salary by 900%. So let's factor in your earlier salary ($0), that makes... Hm, $0!
 
:( RIP
Edit got rolled back :(
 
oh well, it made it less painful the few minutes it lasted
 
I personally find the "friends" greeting a wee bit condescending even, given the circumstances
 
And it's gone, with just as good a summary
 
4:44 PM
That edit note should say, "Removed disingenuous noise."
Sara's going to ban ArtOfCode for that.
 
If they did, then they'd be making a big mistake, it won't happen
 
@NickAthePopcornKing I can't believe you'd still doubt what they'd do after this. They seem completely tone deaf.
 
@canon If she does that, I'm deleting my account
You can quote me on that
 
And me
 
4:48 PM
I'm pretty sure they won't though
 
Holy savagery batman
 
why not; Sara doesn't seem to have much regard for... well... anything
 
@Script47 They may be stupid but they're not thick as pig shit
(probably)
 
I hope we're nobody near that level of distrust and pettiness yet
If we are, i'll have to take my leave too
 
nervous collar pulling
 
4:52 PM
Who the hell gave upvotes to that post?
3
> This satisfies my concerns and demonstrates forward momentum!
 
@canon folks who didn't actually read it. Folks who did read it but didn't understand it. Folks who are easily satisfied.
 
@canon Employees probably
 
@canon I think that perception, at least, is due to her being so new to the community. One thing I don't envy is the responsibility to come in and manage this community with no experience in it even on a good day.
 
:/
 
You should check out her reputation graph >.>
 
4:57 PM
@NickAthePopcornKing LOL
 
@NickAthePopcornKing To clarify the "friends" rollback, I meant to include an edit reason.
I think friends should be kept because, regardless of whether it's a good idea, it's part of the original poster's intent.
 
@StevenM.Vascellaro it is also a salutation and we remove salutations irrespective of intent.
 
Does that apply to meta?
 
I don't see why not, low noise:signal ratio is always good.
 
It applies everywhere.
 
5:00 PM
Fair enough
 
yesterday, by BoltClock
I don't expect the statement they'll be releasing today to answer very much other than "we dun fudged up"
yesterday, by BoltClock
I don't expect it to satisfy much, that's all I'll say
What did I tell y'all
 
dun dun dunn'ed
 
G'darn it...
> Daily vote limit reached; vote again in 6 hours.
 
Using signalling words to show intent and audience is not noise.
 
5:08 PM
The post's intent seemed quite clear.
 
@BoltClock It wasn't even that. There isn't an ounce of contrition in that post. It's a non-apology. I've always been taught and found that if you can't sincerely apologize, don't try and don't pretend like it is one.
4
 
@Script47 can you quote your salutations comment for compiler
 
@Magisch if it weren't for the sentence that contains "sorry" I'd have removed the "and apology" from the title
I couldn't do that due to that sentence
 
@Magisch Good to see that they didn't deliver on what they promised us SO mods in private
2
 
@StevenM.Vascellaro Disingenuousness rolls right off the tongue. So satisfying.
 
5:09 PM
> @Caleb I get your sentiments but an alternative to why it should be removed: Should 'Hi', 'thanks', taglines, and salutations be removed from posts?
 
@BoltClock ugh
 
I mean, I appreciate you probably mean well @NickAthePopcornKing, but I've read that post many times before. I don't think it's relevant since this is fundamentally different than a coding question. MSO is a fundamentally different beast.
 
I expected a lot more from them tbh. I thought the blown up copypasta response would have instilled some caution into doing the exact thing again with more unfounded aspersions
 
It seems like the removal of the salutation is mean-spirited and intended to alter the tone of an official communication. That is the opposite of clarity.
 
5:11 PM
I say unfounded because we still have seen no form of proof, no substantiation, and I have no reason to believe them on faith over monica
 
It's not different at all, are you saying you wouldn't mind all meta posts to start with "Hi!"?
 
Leave meta posts alone
 
It's certainly less of an issue than salutations in main Q&A
 
IMO it's a waste of time editing that sort of fluff out of meta posts, given that the whole thing is somewhat conversational anyway
 
which is the 'public product'
 
5:13 PM
Well, I'm not getting into a rollback war over this
 
If it's something like an FAQ or otherwise very knowledge basey, by all means, but if it's just someone trying to make conversation, who cares?
 
@BoltClock no, it's an insult.
 
As ArtofCode has expressed
 
Who flagged @canon's comment regarding 'Disingenuousness'? Makes no sense...
 
why?
 
5:14 PM
If you're editing it out under the guise of "it's fluff", don't waste your time, if you have better reasons, go ahead
@TylerH I take it that CSS var question is resolved?
I don't really want to look into it right now, and I trust Nick
 
@BoltClock well, it's still early, but I have weighed in with my opinion (and vote)
 
@Zoethetransgirl I respect your position here, and I feel like this communication was poorly handled, but I think it's unfair to doubt Sara's intent. She's trying to do what she thinks is best for the community and addressing us like colleagues rather than like users/consumers of SO.
Just because their handling is inelegant, I don't think doubting the sincerity of the salutation is fair. We're a site FULL of people who miscommunicate on the regular. Can't we be understanding?
 
IMO it's the same question and Temani's answer covers all the existing answers on the newer question, to boot
 
@Zoethetransgirl what, the salutations or removal thereof?
 
Of course, I'm also only one person, so if another gold badger disagrees (or the community at large) then I'll be overruled by them
 
5:17 PM
@Script47 Apparently someone who disagrees that, "Friends," was disingenuous. That said, I'd leave it in. It's important for everyone to appreciate how plainly tone-deaf that response was. It's great that it's the very first word.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier the salutation in this specific context (not in general)
 
@ConspicuousCompiler don't you find it odd that the being told not to doubt intent or to be more understanding is always a one way street?
 
@canon lol that's excellent.
:47478909oh yeah, just scrolled sufficiently up
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I lol'd.
 
My opinion: Don't edit anything in Sara's post. Given the situation, it would be disrespectful and misleading to others. Let it stand for what it is.
8
 
5:18 PM
@TylerH My rule of thumb for duplicates is, if it takes me more than negligible mental gymnastics to make the connection between the new question and the original Q&A, I'm not going to close it
Or, at least, I'd be hard-pressed to if I couldn't explain it for the new asker in a brief comment
 
Yes, let it stand for what it is: a single, bland tofu cube of consolation.
 
Much rather elaborate in an answer, and make the connection there
 
@Script47 I rather feel the opposite. SO has been extremely tolerant of a rather angry community response to this and other situations, hosting some pretty charged (and occasionally nasty) conversations, including this room. I don't see them laying waste to chat rooms or comments that remain civil and are't calling for sabotage.
 
Call it Stockholm syndrome if you want, but many of us network mods (SO and elsewhere) have sympathy for the CMs having to bear the brunt of it all while under the mercy of TPTB
 
if by remain civil you mean explicitly deny discussing the primary topic that started all this... sure
 
5:21 PM
And the core of the issue is that SO felt a moderator was not treating the community as well as expected, and so they made a move that they felt was protecting the community. Their hearts seem like they were in the right place, but their communication was balls.
 
... an angry community at the consequences of their own actions. I don't think they'd shutdown discourse otherwise it'd cause many more issues.
 
@CindyMeister what is this "disrespect" you speak of...?
(but I agree)
 
@ConspicuousCompiler but isn't that the recurring theme (and essentially my point). Why not just discuss? I mean after the so many mess-ups you'd think they'd try another way instead of continuously trying one method (which has proven to fail).
 
@ConspicuousCompiler FWIW, I think the removal due to the insult is absolutely correct, the reason for the wanting the comment quoted is because that was where the discussion had lead. Yes salutations are obviously less of an issue on metas (albeit I still don't think they should be present) but this isn't a salutation, it's a blatant disregard for what's been said and done and shows a total lack of attention to how community feels
 
"tone deaf", might be the expression needed here
 
5:24 PM
I mean, I don't want to apologize for poor community management when they have a dedicated CM team. But they're a public-facing company with responsibility to their investors. Sensitive subjects, especially re: behavior towards protected classes of individuals, probably require consulting with lawyers and board, which is not a fast process.
 
ironically, it's also an expression used for humans who discuss, question and / or disagree with woke twitter, that seem to be influencing massively new SE
 
I wanted to go for obliviant but wasn't sure it fit
 
oblivious?
ah, obliviant. til :)
 
0
Q: Why is there a 6 char min edit?

Dara JavaI don't see why you need to edit 6 chars to make an edit. If there is a question that is missing a single paren, for example, and that was not to do with the question, then why not be allowed to fix it?

 
Well, Sara's rep bottomed out at 1.
 
5:27 PM
because that matters
 
muh reps!!!!1111
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 mins ago, by Magisch
I don't know why this needs to be said again but this is still policy in the tavern: Absolutely no personal attacks on staff members. None. Zero. Criticise staff as a unit all you want but nothing personal. We will kick enforce this here without exception.
 
It's just internet brownie points anyway ...
 
AFAIK that goes for here too
 
This is also policy in the meta room
 
5:28 PM
@TylerH I accidentally overwrote your edit here, due to having to go through the suggested edits queue, can you revert? Thanks meta.stackexchange.com/a/334281/203553
I had missed the second name being wrong
 
SE should just drop all pretense of, "improving communication." They clearly don't take it seriously.
 
I never understood the need to make a policy of it. It's not like personally attacking anyone would help with anything (other than venting your own frustration perhaps, and there are probably better ways to do that, like exercising or something).
 
@AnsgarWiechers Ew, exercise :P I sit behind a screen 12hrs a day you think I exercise?
 
Ad hominem remarks are still unacceptable. Criticize Sara's post all you want, but personal attacks are still 100% not allowed.
12
(Judging by the way things are going elsewhere, I felt it best to have this here before things start deteriorating.)
 
do I need to do my diamond thing
my smurf thing
 
5:33 PM
Unless you've got a MSE diamond I'm unaware of, I don't think you have to worry yet
 
A long shot, but if the goal of the post is to show higher ups that meta community is toxic and needs closing, from their point of view it could be working...
 
-2
Q: Account banned for 5 questions in 6 months

john doeI have been banned for 6 months, for having 5 questions in 6 months with only one having downvotes. My questions get marked as off topic even though I have read the rules and follow them perfectly, some people just can't be bothered to read the question before shutting it down. There is no way t...

 
@user58 That's why I linked to the post in the tavern above.
 
@CindyMeister The question now becomes, is anyone willing to jump in and make the rollback
 
@CalvT At this point, I think they're trying to drain the swamp I believe they see of people that have not yet embraced their vision of the world
 
5:40 PM
@NickAthePopcornKing Well, there's always "or something". ;)
 
All of this will serve very well in the next chapter of Twitter Now Designs The New Iteration Of SE Through The Use Of Savantly Screenshotted Content™
 
I realize folks are really mad at SO for their behavior here, but have you all considered that maybe the mod in question may have actually made some serious missteps with users who complained in private to SO, and they're protecting those users by not being forthcoming?
 
yes
and far and away, that doesn't hold ground, on any account
 
Mmmmmmm.
 
@ConspicuousCompiler I've never asked questions about the intent. I criticized the use of a greeting in another post that fails to address all the concerns. It feels completely out of place and incorrectly used.
 
5:44 PM
@ConspicuousCompiler I actually seem to recall some comment that the mod had "driven" certain others out of somewhere
 
@ConspicuousCompiler If that was the case all they'd have to do is provide some more specificity and an assertion that this is what happened.
That can be done trivially without identifying anyone
 
Purposely being vauge as I'm not sure if that was somewhere I that I shouldn't have read
 
@ConspicuousCompiler The user in question could just ask for the evidence to be aired publicly, as they do with mod messages.
 
So I'm guessing noone else can confirm
 
Monica isn't willing, because:
@Randal'Thor let's start with them telling us exactly what part of the current CoC they think I "repeated violated". There's a lot of discussion in that email including of deeply personal identity-background stuff, so I want to know what the charge is before I decide if that response would help. They didn't even tell me what they think I did. — Monica Cellio 2 hours ago
 
5:47 PM
which is fair
 
Franz Kafka disagrees.
 
monica is in the middle of an online smear campaign, or at least a series of events that has the exact same effects as one
5
 
@canon Can mods get an asking ban?
 
@Magisch this, so much this.
 
5:48 PM
@Magisch no need for the second half sentence
 
tweeps have proven time and again that they wouldn't care at all about truth, facts or explanations
 
I gave myself the rule that throughout all this I must preserve the assumption of good faith
 
every single official response so far has mentioned Monica as a repeat offender
 
this will be a fucken goldmine to prove the general "SE folks are horrible, look that mod"
 
It's taking every bit of decorum I got in me to not break out into an angry fire and brimstone rant over this. So I'm erring on the side of diplomacy
 
5:49 PM
@Magisch unintended smear campaigns are still smear campaigns
 
@AndrasDeak I would hardly call demoting a mod on a friday and blaming the weekend for a lack of a response, followed by ignoring questions from the mod involved as asking what the problem is "unintended"
 
Let's face it, there are only three broad things that are clearly against the rules in the code of conduct, and only one makes sense in this case. We can play ignorant about a certain external article that makes it very clear what the exact issue is.
 
@Magisch That's very ambiguous
 
For me, the main issue was that the procedure to remove the moderator wasn't followed. Which blindsided the moderator team of each site.
3
 
@Zoethetransgirl interestingly none of the things you listed matter to me in terms of the smear campaign. In terms of unfair treatment yeah. But not when it comes to libel against Monica.
 
5:55 PM
@AndrasDeak It really does matter if you think about it. No reply sounds an awful lot like failure to justify actions. If they have another awful reason, that says a lot about SE and would invalidate the entire campaign.
 
Responding here as it is the top post. We aren't going to re-litigate the past. We can't share more details as they involve real people, both moderators and people that work here. What we can say now is that we will do better in the future. We'll be clarifying the CoC and putting out processes for how to remove moderators as well as one to appeal a removal ASAP. — Sara Chipps ♦ 3 mins ago
 

« first day (59 days earlier)      last day (1666 days later) »