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12:26 AM
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Q: What to do if the asker of a question doesn’t accept a correct answer

AlexHThis is something that has happened to me multiple times. Here’s what’s been going on I find a question that hasn’t been active for some time, say a few months I post a high quality answer that includes code, tells why it works, points out errors in original code, and actually answers the quest...

 
12:43 AM
I'm having a hard time understanding why any of this is happening... I've been here for a few years now, and I have never seen a personal attack on this site. Harsh criticism and flippant comments on lack of effort, sure, but nothing directed at the person for who they are. That's why the old internet (which this site was a bastion of) has so much value... it's not about who you are in real life, it's about what you know, what you can contribute, that's what this place has always been for me.
 
yup.
but people, somewhere, are complaining through channels that the SE team watches about how unapproachable SO is (email, social, other sites, interviews, etc). how much anxiety they get just from asking a question. hence... the welcoming push. This alleged change is just yet another push in that direction.
and apparently there's a lot more feedback coming in through those channels such that they outweigh what is said/expressed directly on the network.
 
There has always been a harsh barrier to entry here, and it's part of what makes it good... the uncompromising request for quality and effort. It can go too far, but often it is in the interest of not making a mess and turning this into quora.
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yeah....
and I guess that kind of feedback is more important than a decade of building a very unique and powerful community and bank of knowledge
maybe none of this will matter in a month though....
 
@ChristopherReid hear hear!
 
@ChristopherReid I've seen plenty of personal attacks on this site unfortunately.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara how is trashing reasonable moderators going to fix that?
Shitty people will always exist and be an issue for public forms
 
12:59 AM
@ChristopherReid I don't follow. What is that a reply to?
 
@NickAthePopcornKing oh hey yeah - thanks so much for helping me with that. It is a lot easier to read.
 
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Q: New line character while using SQL loader, sql server, Oracle, utf 8

SumanI am importing data from SQL server via bcp.in bcp query I give C 65001 for converting data to utf-8 as data contains European characters in ansii code page 1252. The file is saved in local (windows) and I move it to unix server. Problem: the file is in utf 8 encoding. After loading with SQL loa...

 
 
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4:02 AM
Good afternoon
 
heyo
 
5:01 AM
SEDE tells me The EXECUTE permission was denied on the object 'sp_executesql', database 'mssqlsystemresource', schema 'sys'. The EXECUTE permission was denied on the object 'sp_executesql', database 'mssqlsystemresource', schema 'sys'. (hundreds of times), is it just me? or perhaps just an individual broken query?
different query works fine so I guess then broken query
 
 
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6:10 AM
Good morning meta
 
6:29 AM
Good morning, @DaImTo :-)
 
The smell of locked posts in the morning
 
I read the post (maybe I missed some parts) but I cannot see where it mentions that the new close vote threshold will update when?
 
Rob
No set time. But sometime after the closure notices are updated
 
6:45 AM
I'm sorry, but an title like that is an ad hominem.
 
it's Yvette's video
 
Its a little quiet now....
 
It doesn't matter who made the video
Telling one side of the argument to "wake up" is not constructive. Regardless of who's saying it and what side they're on.
 
@PeterHaddad Cerbus didn’t moved it because he supports Monica but just because it’s not constructive.
 
I know
 
7:31 AM
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Q: Should the rules be redesigned?

SamsyTheUnicornI strongly believe Stack Overflow has a problem, and that it isn't just a loud minority of elitist users, but instead the reputation the site has gained as a "go here, get help" forum. Most new users coming to this site are rookie programmers or at least new enough that their code and posts will ...

 
Dare I say, "good" morning?
You just can't know what the mood is these days when I turn on the laptop :)
 
@Gimby Trainwreck morning o/
 
@Zoethetransgirl I'll take it.
 
Rob
@Gimby Safer to just say 'morning'. That way you can't be wrong ;)
 
@Rob Depends if he's talking to someone in China ;-)
 
Oy Nick A the king of pop. corn.
 
Rob
@Druckles Or Australia. But I'm used to be people being wrong with their timezone greetings ;)
 
Merry Easter!
 
@Zoethetransgirl how am I meant to read all that and do my job D:
 
7:50 AM
@Rob I'll take my chances :) The ritual of exchanging pleasantries is an important one.
 
@NickAthePopcornKing I think it's time for me to take a small break
 
Spending about 15 hours on metadrama isn't a good idea. Don't be like me :]
 
No kidding, there's not enough hours in the day for me to spend 15 of them on meta drama
 
How much do you sleep?
 
8:00 AM
Well that and you'll just cause a really dark tetris effect.
 
I sleep anywhere from 0-24hrs in a day....
 
@NickAthePopcornKing Then you have between 0-24 hrs to read meta drama :-)
 
@NickAthePopcornKing ... but always not enough
 
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Q: I'm receiving "The Overflow" newsletter but I have never subscribed

TomalakRecently I've received the first installment of "The Overflow" newsletter. The email claims that I'd be receiving this because I have subscribed. I did no such thing. The number of email newsletters that I have actively and willingly subscribed to in my life is very close to zero. What you did ...

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Q: Why do custom searches list posts with my ignored tags?

Mark JeronimusWhen I do not search (just list) or search for just tags (like [java]) the results filter out those posts which contain my ignored tags. And I happen have a lot of ignored tags. But when I search with a keyword (like [java] image) the results contain all posts matching this, including those post...

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Q: Shouldn't you get back the -1 from the answer you just down-voted if post is deleted?

CodeRedI am well aware that if you down vote an answer, you'll have -1 from your current rep. However, if that answer will be deleted, you'll get that 1 rep back. -1 Down vote answer +1 Answer deleted How about if POST DELETED, shouldn't you get that +1 rep? Note: ±1 reputation won't hurt. I...

 
That's enough meta for me. If anyone sees me around here today, hit me with something and tell me to go away. Later o/
 
8:14 AM
@Zoethetransgirl I sell rocks as well, I'll throw them at you
 
@NickAthePopcornKing Well then... why should I buy them then if you're just going to toss them anyway?
 
8:30 AM
@Gimby If you take a break and want a reason to not come back I'll throw them at you as well
 
9:05 AM
@Gimby That's basically how oil-based economy works.
 
@NickAthePopcornKing How can I leave, at least this room is sane. Usually.
well. sometimes.
 
. . . I haven't been working hard enough
 
Actually I take that back, usually it's insane and that's why I like it here.
 
Be honest with yourself, how sane is it for someone to brand themselves the popcorn king and throw popcorn at everyone
 
Sane enough
I run around pretending to be a molecule.
Hmm, which means I wanna change my avatar now
Lemme see
 
Remove the dot, let it onebox
Be freeeeee ~
 
Atom 1: Help I've lost an electron
Atom 2: Are you sure?
Atom 1: Yes, I'm positive!
>.<
 
Seriously though, I can't even see the text now
 
@M.A.R. Too much fear of @Magisch
 
@NickAthePopcornKing Don't tempt me Frodo
@Druckles Hey I'm just as much of an RO as he is.
Maybe.
80 percent
Alright, 60
Dangit, 50! You happy
 
9:12 AM
50 is perfectly balanced.
 
Like all things should be
 
That's 50% of Magisch. So 1:2 ratio. Or 33% of room ownership.
 
The snap is over, get over it
 
Yeah I can see how y'all default to Thanos, but I'm a different type of nerd: youtube.com/watch?v=yLR3_Kr12rE
 
I don't, you did
 
9:15 AM
no u
 
NO U
 
You're shouting, I need an adult.
 
Rob
o/
I'm kind of an adult
 
WAAA. There. See what I did there.
I waaa'd so I'm definitely wronged.
@Rob hello kind of an adult
 
Rob
:D
Speaking of which... a couple of weeks ago, we had father's day here. This was the first time where... when discussing what I did for father's day, people assumed that I was the father
 
9:18 AM
Yeah that's about as bad as when kids start to call you "sir" for the first time. It cuts deep.
 
Sheds a tear
@Gimby no sir. I hope it doesn't cut sir.
 
In the UK, you are humorously considered old when you notice "that policemen seem to be getting younger".
 
@Raedwald That makes me old at 24....
 
No, but you're at exactly the perfect age. It's only downhill from there.
 
It was downhill to get to here D:
 
Rob
9:22 AM
Now you'll just be going faster :D
 
We live in a world with toroidal altitude. You can go downhill all your life and still end up where you started.
 
That'd be good for skiing >_>
 
@SamuelLiew Still disappointed I didn't get any of that burger...
 
it was delicious. yum :P
 
10:00 AM
@Zoethetransgirl "Cerbrus slaps Zoe around a bit with a large trout"
 
I wonder if we'll get a more sincere note to the community anytime soon
@GeorgeStocker I feel sorry for you; bet you that wasn't what you expected either :-(
 
I think expected and hoped for are different things here...
 
Hoped for: what he answered
Expected: something that actually, you know, pertained to the community or at least provided details rather than the repeated, unsubstantiated claims on the event
 
morning
 
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Q: Why can I edit everyone's answers?

AdriánT95I do not know if someone has given me mod permissions wrongfully or if it is just like it for everyone but I have just noticed that I am able to edit the answers of any member in stackoverflow: Isn't it dangerous to give permissions to edit answers to people you do not know if you can trust?

 
10:18 AM
@Cerbrus What dod I do?! :c
 
You're still here.
Aren't we supposed to throw things?
 
ugh, caching
I have wayyyy to many tabs open overnight
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
So many chatrooms x_x
No idea how I could've connected 19 minutes ago though, I just turned my computer on
 
Throws rocks at @Zoethetransgirl Get out!
 
10:19 AM
Right!
later \o
 
@Zoethetransgirl Oh that's an IRC thing :P
 
it's from before your time
 
2 hours ago, by Zoe the transgirl
That's enough meta for me. If anyone sees me around here today, hit me with something and tell me to go away. Later o/
 
Ugh, someone just downvoted Shog's post. It reached +178/-0 first :(
 
10:31 AM
@AndrasDeak People are weird.
 
@AndrasDeak Y'all old :P
@Zoethetransgirl "dod"
 
Zoe, go away :P
 
gah, see? This is addictive >.>
 
@AndrasDeak Probably an advocate of keeping 5 VTC or removing VTC altogether. People are allowed their POV :-) I'm sure that won't bother Shog too much.
 
10:46 AM
it bothers me
not because they disagree with Shog, but because they ruined this beautiful streak :P
 
There is always that one rebel that goes left whenever anybody else goes right. I ignore such people, except when it is in case a building is on fire - then I follow that one rebel.
 
@SébastienRenauld we’ve got more work to do to help bridge the gap between what corporate SO Inc says and what I know people inside of SO Inc believe.
 
Shog's post provides convincing evidence for making closing posts easier. Some people think closing posts at all is evilbadunwelcoming. One of them found the downvote button?
 
@Raedwald I interpreted his post differently. Closing is good when it is able to help the OP and us give an actionable plan for fixing the post, and when it is able to alert editors that the post needs help. We tend to put less effort on the “edit it to fix it” side, deferring that to the OP, which is ultimately self defeating
If the OP knew enough to write a good on topic question there would have never been a need to close it
 
What Shog's post reminded me was how dire reopening of closed posts is. Very few posts nominated for reopening are reopened. And when I look at the reopen queue, I see that is for good reasons. Too many posts are in that queue only for minor changes to formatting or wording, rather than substantial changes that might resurrect the post.
Perhaps change the rules so edited closed posts get put in the reopen queue every time they are edited?
 
11:00 AM
@Raedwald No, god no
 
A relevant key statistic is just how many times are closed posts edited? If that number is large, nominating a closed post for reopening on every edit would indeed be a disaster. I suspect the number is small.
 
I thought those numbers were in the post
 
@GeorgeStocker "Closing is good when it is able to help the OP and us give an actionable plan" is why I think the suggestion of presenting all the chosen close reasons is good.
 
@GeorgeStocker They were, 2266 posts were edited 59% of which received leave closed and 7% received reopen
(prior)
 
I’m on a subway with spotty internet, so
 
11:06 AM
I mean, mean edits per question.
 
During, all those numbers went up, 4132, 63% and 12% respectively
 
@Raedwald no. Have OP edits push them there, or an option that you can tick for it to be nominated
 
@AndrasDeak Agreed, a single use button usable only by OP to request review
 
@AndrasDeak Yes, or something like that. Something so the post does not have only one chance of redemption, which can be wasted.
 
@Raedwald indeed. But pushing more into the queue will only make it worse
 
11:14 AM
@AndrasDeak If the post is pushed into the queue only when explicitly requested, the submission rate might decrease.
 
This was covered on meta recently actually
 
Once you have a button to click to resubmit for opening, you can add a more sophisticated UI. For example, present the list of chosen close reasons, each with a checkbox for the OP to click to assert that they believe they have addressed the reason. Or even, present the comments made and allow the OP to click checkboxes to assert that they have addressed those, which also flags those comments as no longer needed.
 
@Raedwald yes, I was talking about your original suggestion
 
11:43 AM
@AndrasDeak which post is this?
 
@OrangeDog The experiment results
 
ah, cool
 
yup
 
although the lede has seriously discouraged me from reading it
 
11:48 AM
Do you mean the length?
oh, no, lede is a word.
darnit, I learned something new again.
 
Who says lede instead of introduction?!
 
alternate spelling for lead, but lead already have enough other meanings especially when you cannot hear me say it
@NickAthePopcornKing journalists, Wikipedia
 
and OrangeDog.
 
Orange is from cambridge, they're just educated ;p
 
Psh, educated people. Who do they think they are.
 
11:51 AM
ikr, making the rest of us look dumb
 
sorry I forgot providing information isn't nice any more /s
 
just checked some profiles in retaliation :p and @Gimby you appear to be me
 
@OrangeDog Shhh, don't let people know
Well we have nearly identical tags, but you are way better at farming rep than I am.
 
I meant your "about me"
though technically I'm not the one writing the Angular 7+ right now, I am reviewing and mentoring them
 
12:04 PM
Hm, it's a little outdated. I play Civilization 6 instead of Civ 5 and I have lost all interest in Go (lang), instead I play around with C# and Unity :)
 
What do you think of red death gimby?
 
It's not for me, I play Civ 6 for the classic gameplay.
 
I don't play Ciiv 6 because I'm too cheap to buy all the DLC right now
 
I think I've only played 3 civ games, all were civ6, 1 was religious victory, 1 was culture victory (omfg, never again), and the other was trash
 
Too be honest I don't have the DLC yet either, I'm playing the vanilla game for now fully aware that it is lacking a lot of interesting mechanics that add necessary diversity to the game.
 
12:11 PM
@NickAthePopcornKing I set myself the challenge of scoring a domination victory on immortal
3 weeks later I did it
 
You only really need Gathering Storm, it contains all the mechanics from Rise and Fall too. Rise and Fall at this point is just an expensive set of extra nations and world wonders.
 
Is now a good time to admit I have 64% of Civ V achievements?
 
there is literally nothing worse
 
@OrangeDog impressive
 
good to know, thanks
 
12:11 PM
I played it by milking two starting civs
 
@Gimby I got rise and fall at the time, haven't picked up gathering storm, I only have time for 1 game right now.....
 
I'm sweeping up the DLC in the next Steam sale. There is actually a modest sale on Civ stuff right now but it isn't good enough. Probably around the autumn or winter sale it'll drop down to something that is not corporate greed.
 
12:28 PM
Steam sales are a good way of picking up DLCs for lots of games, I think. Lowish starting price + large % discount = very low price.
 
Sites like isthereanydeal.com also help
 
humble bundle often helps as well, they often have 4x bundles
 
There's a few places that also tend to do good sales on it...
 
12:44 PM
@NickAthePopcornKing isthereanydeal also looks at the humble store :D
 
ooooooh :D
I shall have to have a look around it
 
I've never even heard of half of them
 
Same here, but as long as it's a store on there that sells something I can activate on steam, usually, it's okay.
 
1:13 PM
Some of them certainly aren't
 
@OrangeDog Like which?
 
Epic Games Store, Origin, Uplay, Microsoft Store
 
Yea, I totally saw that coming.
All of them are perfectly legit functional stores.
 
yes, but they don't sell something that you can activate on steam
 
You may not agree with their business ethics, but that doesn't make them fake
 
1:20 PM
Who said they were fake?
 
Increasing pps (popcorn per second)
 
Nick mentioned he hasn't heard of quite a few of them...
Implying they may be dubious
That was what I responded to.
 
Orange meant "Some of them certainly aren't [stores ... that sell[s] something I can activate on steam]" nothing more :)
 
"Some of them certainly aren't" makes no sense in response to that. I was responding to you
 
It's over 9000
 
1:22 PM
> as long as it's a store <...> that sells something I can activate on steam, usually, it's okay.
I didn't say anything about stores that sell stuff I can't activate on steam
:D
Does it have monopolies?
 
No, just feces
 
@M.A.R. That's pretty crappy
 
@Cerbrus Full of NAAs
 
@NickAthePopcornKing the lede is not the same thing as an introduction, necessarily. More accurately it's the most important part of an article, hence the phrase "bury the lede" for when the author buries the most important bombshell somewhere in the middle instead of leading with it.
 
1:29 PM
"The float sank."
 
@TylerH I've literally never heard the phrase bury the lede
And I did see that it's meant to encourage the reader to read the rest of whatever has been written, but I would expect an introduction to do the same anyway ;p
 
I mean yes, you are correct
 
:D
 
if you polish a turd its still a turd
its just really shiny
 
But if you ask me to pick between two turds, I'll definitely pick the shiniest.
(or, you know, the smallest, or the least smelly or whatever)
(or the one that came out of my butt, not out of yours)
(but now we're getting into details)
 
1:39 PM
hey, what's wrong with my turds?
 
maybe they are too orange
 
.o( where do I even start ...? )
 
amen sibling
 
1:50 PM
pops back into the chat room - reads - hating on digital stores, a discussion about which poo to prefer - brings a tear to my eyes.
 
"brings a tear to my eyes" - I advise a different poo
 
all poo is good
 
@NickAthePopcornKing well today you learned something new :-D \o/
 
@OrangeDog no no, it's just right.
 
I learned the word "lede"
 
1:56 PM
\o/ learning \o/
@TylerH Don't suppose we're in a situation to tidy up some star pins yet?
There is 6 of them ;p
 
sure
 
*are?
 
D:
That are wrongs.
 
@Druckles how many wrongs?
 
1:59 PM
Plenties?
 
Not enough to make a right.
 
is was purely intended to bring emphasis to the amount, whether or not it was correct i'm not too fussy about ;p
 
Just realised how true the saying "two wrongs don't make a right" is.
It's three wrongs make a right.
 
No, but 3 rights make a left
 
That sounds a bit fuzzy to me ...
 
2:00 PM
Three lefts also make a right.
 
I like how we now have a list of starred messages that are to do with poo and butts. It's about time the world saw our sophistication.
 
@TylerH Thanks btw
 
sure thing
 
Hi, @Nick! :x
 
2:04 PM
Ooft.
@Zoethetransgirl Get out of here, Stalker!
 
Blame Nick >.>
Right, done. Later o/
 
@Zoethetransgirl "Cerbrus slaps Zoe around a bit with a large trout"
:D
 
Wtf did I do?!
 
@Cerbrus Ooh, fish! eats trout
 
Back in the day, there was this guy that automated trout-slapping me, every time I joined a IRC channel...
 
2:07 PM
@NickAthePopcornKing You mentioned the meta room >.>
 
In response, I automated a "dodges the slap" reply.
He then randomized the slap message...
 
Ahhhh, technicalities >.>
 
So I randomized the response :P
 
suure, blame the technicalities
 
@Cerbrus You can always recognise a Monthy Python fan.
 
2:08 PM
That sounds like fun @Cerbrus, and I leave my desktop on at home.... Thanks for the idea
 
@Cerbrus You fight like a dairy farmer!
 
I don't even remember all of the messages...
*Cerbrus dies* was one.
 
@Druckles You mean he milks it for all its worth?
 
You can always recognise when someone has not played Monkey Island
 
@Gimby :D
 
2:10 PM
Shame
 
THERE IS A TROUT HERE
eat trout
 
You kiss your mother with that mouth? (that would be the response if it were a Larry game)
 
@Druckles "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"
 
See? Monthy Python.
 
@Cerbrus Probably yes; he was a very naughty boy.
 
2:17 PM
@Gimby Monty, short for Montgomery
 
@Druckles We're all individuals!
 
@AndrasDeak whoops, thypo
It would be a fun game actually when the chat would randomly spit out a pirate battle quote from any of the first three Monkey Island games and then the first to type the proper response to it gets a point.
 
One could write a bot to do that.
 
Arrrr.
 
I'd write a bot to respond :D
 
2:23 PM
And I'd write a bot to just say "I am rubber, you are glue" or "Oh I'm shakin', I'm shakin'!" randomly.
 
Haha.
 
In the JS room we have a bot that responds to all messages containing "stop"
HAMMERTIME!
 
so much fun.
 
Currently resisting the urge to go into the JS room.
 
Apparently, she's no longer in the room
    STOP: 'HAMMERTIME!',
    STAHP: 'HAMMAHTIME!',
    HALT: 'HAMMERZEIT!',
    STOY: 'ZABIVAT\' VREMYA!',
    SISTITE: 'MALLEUS TEMPUS!'
She was international :P
 
2:27 PM
I like the German one.
 
woe to us if Caprica descends here
 
Apparently she's retired
 
@Cerbrus This needs a hidden response that triggers "Ze goggles, de do nothing!"
 
2:57 PM
Tim has unlocked the Sara Chipps official reply.
 
@Raedwald Yep, content dispute's likely been handled
 
@Cerbrus Cap is retired?!
 
rumor has it
 
@TylerH are we allowed to know the dispute?
 
@Mgetz There was no dispute as far as I'm aware, Tim said on another post he wanted to get some sleep so locked it while he was offline
 
3:07 PM
@NickAthePopcornKing there were a couple problematic edits before he locked it
 
@NickAthePopcornKing I kinda wish he'd used that as the lock reason "Tim Post needs sleep, y'all come back tomorrow" 😂
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@Mgetz the content dispute lock is a temporary lock (no specific time) used by mods when there is a rollback / edit war going on
you can view the post revision history to see the kind of edits that led to Tim locking it
 
@TylerH Sure I think that was related, but he did say he couldn't watch it while he was sleeping: I locked it because I've been working for almost 19 hours and I can't watch it while I sleep.
 
@TylerH Oh I'm aware and sighed at some of them in the Tavern
 
3:13 PM
@NickAthePopcornKing Right, but he wouldn't have needed to lock it while he slept if it weren't undergoing inappropriate edits :-)
 
Also true ;p definitely both played into it
 
3:28 PM
What's the difference between here and The Tavern?
 
location
 
Plus we have Nick A the porn king.
popcorn king. POPCORN.
 
Name too
 
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Q: Stackoverflow Blog top bar is too fat

ovichiroI didn't find anywhere else to ask this or give some feedback. On a 13" display the Blog top/nav bars cover about 1/4 of the page and they are sticky. Coupled with the browser GUI, the top third of my screen is non content and that's not a great experience. Is there a way to disable the stickines...

 
3:31 PM
a wild weegee appears
I think I found the magic word, "pron".
 
prawn
 
Well, that particular nonsense prompted a suggestion: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334387/…
 
Pawn
 
Paging Dr. Rook!
 
3:34 PM
@NickAthePopcornKing you sank my battleboat!
 
dry
 
3:58 PM
@Raedwald More effective, I feel, would be to prevent people with low rep (< 2000, IOW editing to gain rep) - who don't know any better - from editing closed posts. If I catch one of those in the Edits review queue, I always reject with "causes harm" because this takes away the OP's chance to edit and get reviewed for re-open.
The other thing that could help would be if, when someone other than the OP tries to edit a closed question that they're first shown a message mentioning the consequences and if the proposed edit will improve the question in a way that makes it answerable.
 
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