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3:13 PM
Or why brother
Even better, why bother brother, brother?
 
I'm not your brother, brother
 
I'm not your brother, brother
 
Bother.
 
@Zoe Hey, I'm only here to bother brothers.
 
Zoe
3:16 PM
@M.A.R. How bothering
 
Snape, Snape, Severus Snape?
 
Zoe
Why bother bothering bothered brothers?
 
@Zoe I'm typically good at things.
 
Zoe
:P
 
@Zoe Oh brother. Look, I only bother bothering bothered brothers since bothering brothers don't bother brothers botheringly enough.
 
3:19 PM
 
Don't stretch it, let's find something else that rhymes
 
Zoe
lmfao
I love how that xkcd dropped in right after your metor of a rhyme xD
 
Prescient
2 mins ago, by M.A.R.
@Zoe I'm typically good at things.
Also prescient
It's a loop of prescience. Dormammu, I've come to bargain.
 
You could say that XKCD was being incredibly postscient here
 
Zoe
I think this conversation needs more Science
 
3:21 PM
Hi Dormammu
 
booo, science bad.
 
Didn't see you there with all your owlness.
Uh uh, here's science. Earth is a donut.
 
... ok carry on.
 
Do not try to argue with donuts.
 
How about we discuss one of those viral maths questions, like... 6/2(1+2)
 
Zoe
3:22 PM
@M.A.R. tHe eARtH iS a 4d sHApE anD iSnT rEAl
 
@NickA Nah that's boring. Why does six want to do that anyway?
 
There's never too much science... except maybe when they try their hardest to contradict religion
 
Let's talk about how 42 was the sum of three cubes.
And then I'd pretend I understand its significance while Mith makes an Adams joke.
This is starting to look like every science conference ever.
 
Zoe
I've had enough math for today :]
 
@Zoe Math is full of calcium. Good for your bones.
 
3:24 PM
[:
 
There. Science. Happy?
 
Zoe
lmao, that's actually funny
I'm sure @geis would love that one too ;)
 
@Zoe Explain
 
I will make a poster of that message and hang it on my wall.
Or in front of it, really.
 
Zoe
@NickA calcium. As in calculate (I think ^^")
 
3:26 PM
@M.A.R. How?!
 
@Zoe Yeah.... I saw that and thought nah, there's no way it's that, how could anyone find that funny...
 
@Druckles By existing, I guess. Negative integers are allowed
 
Zoe
cough
 
@M.A.R. But it is, as long as we find the right base.
 
It was three huge numbers. WTH do we care.
 
Zoe
3:27 PM
It's a good joke, okay? xd
 
throws popcorn at Zoe to cheer her up
 
it gets caught underneath her tongue
Your fault for sticking it up your nose.
 
Zoe
How do you still have more popcorn?!
 
You know I said I don't understand that wibbly wobbly timeey wimey stuff? I lied, I went back in time and got my old popcorn
 
Zoe
I've stole--... err, borrowed like 42 buckets now
 
3:28 PM
@NickA If you find me unfunny, you can find out more about how I beat up people who don't find me funny in less than a month. imdb.com/title/tt7286456 Real charmer there. And I'm probably gonna get a shiny award for it.
Or maybe shoot at them. I dunno.
 
Zoe
@NickA Isn't that a paradox?
 
Paradoxes mostly work themselves out
 
@Zoe Not if you create a stable time loop.
 
@Zoe Exactly.
@NickA Only if you're the protagonist.
 
Zoe
spoilers~
 
3:29 PM
@M.A.R. Am I not?
@Zoe ROFL
spoilers from 2008?
 
@Druckles That's quite a bunch of angry horses. Kicking you back in time.
 
Zoe
@NickA They're only spoilers if you haven't watched it
I've seen all the new seasons aside the 11th season
 
@M.A.R. Ouch. That pun physically herd me.
 
TBF, John Simm was fantastic as the master
 
@NickA NickA looks like that nice little dude in the corner who makes oneliner jokes after everyone else worked hard to beat the bad guy
 
3:31 PM
oof, rip
 
Zoe
I could've sworn it said eyeliner
 
No that's females in the corner.
If it's a high school movie.
With Keanu Reeves.
I want Keanu Reeves as my physics teacher.
 
Well he is breathtaking
 
Zoe
I want a real physicist as my physics teacher.
 
Well, they stole a car he destroyed while trying to get back.
 
Zoe
3:32 PM
Oh, wait - I have that c:
 
Hey, he's a physicist.
 
Tim
Some user has constantly been undermining and obstructing my posts. What shall I do?
 
Calculating object impact on the go.
 
Zoe
@Tim You move on and accept that there's people who disagree.
 
@Tim What do you mean? Do they edit your posts, close them, something else?
 
3:34 PM
@Zoe Not if it's a targetted attack.
 
Tim
On SO, there are more users undermining other users' posts than users who care
 
@Tim If they're harassing you then you could post a moderator flag on one of your posts and describe the situation in as much detail as possible (including links to relevant evidence)
 
@Tim Undermining isn't a post action. I'm just trying to understand the issue.
 
Tim
They basically have no knowledge to judge my posts, but posted ignorant comments on my posts
 
Can you give any examples?
 
Zoe
3:35 PM
@Druckles I've seen people consider disagreement to be the same as personal attacks and harassment. I vaguely remember seeing one of the posts before it was nuked (relevant to the question).
 
Tim
citing things such as more than one question marks, too broad, not understand what I ask, ..., any vague reasons. The moderators have no knowledge to judge either, and just follow their leads to close or delete my posts
 
Fun fact: I was insulted once for welcoming a user to the site. The comment wasn't related to downvoting, close voting, or anything else. Just welcoming.
 
Zoe
@Tim that's an awful question.
 
I'd have to agree with Zoe and the close voters on that
Maybe not awful as a question, but unfit for SO
 
Zoe
3:38 PM
yeah, that ^
 
Tim
stackoverflow.com/users/472495/halfer has followed my posts since this year.
 
@Tim Uh, it's not really nice, the fashion you call out the other user in your comment. Focus on the action instead — Why your question is unfairly closed — than the people who did it.
 
Tim
into tags which he/she has never used or demonstrated they understood
 
If you're concerned about a specific user, you'll need to raise it with a moderator flag or a support request for a CM, we won't target users here (confirmation please @YvetteColomb)
 
Zoe
@Tim You tagged [java] in revision 1. IIRC, halfer watches it.
 
Tim
3:39 PM
I don't single out users easily
 
If you want to achieve results, that is the way to go. Judge your questions objectively, and if you're certain they're not too broad, explain your reasoning.
 
Tim
No. The tag is removed very quickly, before halfer noticed it
 
You have 1,190 questions and 0 answers?!
 
Zoe
@Tim it can still end up in filters and caches
 
Tim
He has followed me into various tags he has not demonstrated used before.
 
3:40 PM
Hundreds of posts are being curated, closed, reopened, deleted, undeleted etc. everyday. It's never something personal. If you make it about people, rather than actions, you won't achieve any result since the people that can reopen it do not look at things from your perspective.
 
@M.A.R. I want Reanu Keeves as my physics teacher.
 
☕️
 
That question is waaay too broad.
 
Hey kevin o/
 
Tim
he has posted comments to strike one to one communication
 
3:41 PM
o/
 
At the end of it you even ask several questions
 
Zoe
@Tim Multiple people moderate independently of tags (me included)
 
Tim
several times, which I cound't bare
 
Didn't read it yet, but I bet I wouldn't
Yes, I was correct
 
Zoe
@geisterfurz007 Come ooon, it was funny :D
 
Tim
3:43 PM
I dont' expect more mean users here. My expection on users here is too high
 
@Tim What halfer is trying to say (what I understood the comment to be) is that dividing your post into bullet points and asking several things at once is what causes a post to be too broad. I don't have any programming knowledge in any field but I do have a fairly good command of English. Would you explain why domain knowledge would be required to understand whether several questions are being asked?
 
@Tim We're not mean, (some of us might be a little blunt), you asked for our opinion and you got it, your question is too broad, that's not mean
 
Note that asking about the same paragraph or same code doesn't mean the questions would automatically be related.
 
Right, so, Tim, we normal users don't have the ability to prove malice in this case. we also can't fix it. so... raise a custom flag and explain the situation, ideally with links to what you see as problematic. All we can really do is state the rules, and point out any public facing info we can find related to your case.
 
@NickA Ow you cut me.
 
What i see is... halfer is very active in moderation, and if you're frequenting a tag he frequently moderates, you're gonna run into him a few times. I also see that he appears to have been the victim of revenge voting recently
 
Zoe
^
 
@Zoe How prescient of you
 
> how can the method "concretely access the instance variables" of the other object?
 
Zoe
I try c:
 
3:45 PM
My input, this is not a good way of asking a question.
I see it often enough to know it's not.
 
Tim
I underestimate the ignorance of users here
and nonchalance
 
@Tim ...How are we supposed to interpret that?
 
@Tim Now you're being rude.
 
You should explain what you take the phrase to mean.
 
*sigh...* grabs popcorn
I'm off folks, back in an hour or so
 
Zoe
3:46 PM
@Tim Do you have something more to add to the discussion, or are you going to fall down to targeting and rudeness?
 
@Tim You are not adhering to my advice here; focus on the actions if you want to reverse them. There is nothing to be gained on focus on the users.
 
Tim
I expected some fairness and empathy, but I don't feel any sorry
 
Okay. Time out. One moment.
 
@Tim: Can you link us to any examples of the behaviour you're describing? Closed questions? Comments? Anything? We can't help you if we can't see what's going on.
 
@Mithrandir "Tim-e out" lol
 
3:48 PM
empathy: It's a great set of questions worthy of a long blog post answer. Stack Overflow is not the site for that
 
First off... @Tim, if you believe that someone is following you and targeting you, please raise a moderator flag and detail your concerns there.
 
@Cerbrus I believe Tim's still talking about this one. I don't disagree with the closure, though.
 
@Mithrandir . . . . . . . You're as slow as an old wizard. Wait.
 
Zoe
@Druckles e-time e-out?
 
Also, folks... piling on is not helpful.
 
Tim
3:49 PM
Q&A can be conducted at any level of details or abstraction. Using that to suppress questions is a bad excuse
 
@Zoe This ain't no xkcd comic.
 
@Tim We can disagree and still be friends. I do not have the power to affect your post's status in any way, I just hope that you appreciate my advice as someone who's often seen where these objections work and when they don't.
 
Zoe
@Druckles oh no, please don't tell me we made the 15th standard?
 
@Zoe you're still at 15?
 
It's far easier to get a post reopened by proving the user is wrong or fixing the problem the user saw, rather than proving the user acted with malice.
 
Zoe
3:50 PM
@M.A.R. Yeah, but to be fair, my 64 bit bit counter has overflowed 3 times.
 
Aha. Finally. Kevin pls accept freind requst. kthxbye.
 
Fun fact: it's entirely possible to be made of pure malice and still do good things.
3
 
@Zoe I dunno. Is that like, milk.
 
@Zoe That's my problem. I've been using a 4-bit counter.
 
@JohnDvorak That's deep man
 
Tim
3:51 PM
It is far easier to allow abuses that suppress posts
 
Zoe
@Druckles How many counters do you have to keep track of overflowing?
 
@Tim It takes as many votes to reopen a question as it takes to close them.
 
I am coding in swift which doesn't need semicolons and PHP which needs semicolons and my muscle memory sucks.
 
@weegee Here, reinforcements: ;;;;;;;;;;;;
 
Tim
whereas it is much easier to close posts than to reopen them
 
3:52 PM
Content moderation is not abuse of content moderation.
 
@Tim Stack Overflow has certain policies that posts are required to abide by. Please don't go around accusing people of malice for trying to enforce them. If you have reason to assume a certain user is targeting you, please raise a moderator flag, instead of continuing this here.
6
 
Take out the drones.
 
@M.A.R. these are pretty bad bois
 
Zoe
@M.A.R. But we're out of bullets! You gave them all away
 
One boi missing and code goes boom
 
3:53 PM
@M.A.R. Bees, or aircraft?
 
@weegee Amazon Prime. I knew it.
 
@Zoe 15...?
 
@JohnDvorak No just bananahead doofuses that go "Roger roger"
 
Zoe
oooh, 4 bits, not bytes ^^"
derp
 
Wait. Maybe they're calling Rodger. Where is Rodger?
 
3:55 PM
You guys are really unlucky, I'm a fan of my physics teacher, I wouldn't replace him for einstein.
 
Zoe
Nah, my physics teacher is awesome c:
 
@weegee I dunno. My nose is really good. I wouldn't replace it with any other nose.
Physics teachers are par of the course.
Noses are rare.
My nose is between Sean Penn's and Jackie Chan's.
 
I play cricket with my physics teacher, he invites me in his home to learn extra, lol I love him.
 
Uh, hmm, how can I make sense of that.
@weegee Everyone can chirp with enough practice
I'm also good at making helicopter sounds.
 
I can chirp now
Without practice
 
3:58 PM
Oh a prodigy
 
Zoe
@M.A.R. What 'bout howling? c:
 
Well because I sing (scream) so I have experience.
 
Zoe
@YvetteColomb Something you're involved with is being discussed on meta.
 
user3956566
@Zoe thanks Zoe. Yeh I'm drained. :\
 
user3956566
4:13 PM
@NickA probably a wise idea
 
@YvetteColomb is it not 2am for you now? Get to bed lol
 
I'd recomment removing that comment, @YvetteColomb.
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus you have no idea how much I appreciate that right now. More than you realise. and yep I'll delete the comment
 
Well, the last part at least
 
user3956566
4:15 PM
@NickA yeh... a bit tired. Us old folks need our rest lol
 
user3956566
I cannot delete the account of a user who is not happy with me... le sigh a COI
 
Now he changed the accepted answer...
 
@YvetteColomb FWIW, I think attempting to keep a user is the right thing to do, even if that isn't how they see it in the end (feel free to delete this)
 
@NickA Yvette deleting Nick's account
 
user3956566
@M.A.R. Shhh! you're telling everyone deletes MAR's account
 
4:27 PM
Yvette, honestly, disengage
 
user3956566
yep ok. roger that wolf man
 
Get some sleep. 2 a.m. is not a wise time to deal with such things and I say that by experience
 
People want StackOverflow to become friendly and at the same time they cannot digest such friendly act.
It's confusing
 
user3956566
@weegee to be fair. I think I hurt that person - I trod on them in an attempt to stop them treading on other people. I didn't handle it well
 
No please don't blame yourself. @YvetteColomb
No I can see the comment you made at the first place
 
user3956566
4:31 PM
oh it's caused a lot of issues - not all visible
 
So what?
You tried to be nice
You didn't hurt the person in anyway.
 
@YvetteColomb Get some sleep, SO doesn't have just one moderator. Any further issues would be handled by people in the right timezone.
 
@YvetteColomb can you tag another moderator here to work on your behalf? You need to get some rest
 
@weegee And they come in guns blazing the moment they're at the receiving end of some quality control mechanism
 
Or they just need something to pick up and rant? The user clearly left because their experience wasn't nice and now when we are being nice then?
We should just leave the comment section below it, empty and let the people do their work. Just tell them to request deletion again.
There's no need to say anything at all now when this is the case. Just let them leave
 
4:36 PM
Eh, I'm done with that discussion.
 
user3956566
@weegee they all told me the same thing you people did :)
 
YMMV. Everything is some sort of shaming these days.
 
Yea
 
I don't have quite enough rep to suggest merging [firefox-webextensions] into [firefox-addon]
 
user3956566
YMMV?
 
4:37 PM
@YvetteColomb Good, bed time :P
@YvetteColomb Your mileage may vary
 
Check yivi's comment, the user took it like an attack.
You have enough rep to do that
If you want to suggest merging tags then you have to mention the reason for the same.
 
 
2 hours later…
6:58 PM
"Check out Teams!" isn't an announcement.
 
user8280225
7:10 PM
hello everione
 
o/
 
user8280225
nice to meet you
 
*sleepy wave*
 
user8280225
i'he saw invintation (or just description) of this channel - so i desided wo whatch out what is that
 
user8280225
and those who goes to bed-quiet sleep!
 
user8280225
7:14 PM
and me soon perhaps
 
I'm... having trouble parsing that.
 
user8280225
7:27 PM
it looks like i've wrote with mistake. why can't i change my answer?
 
user8280225
i meant, that i've seen invitation
 
@Drakonoved What post? You should be able to just press the edit button
 
user8280225
@NickA only last post as i figured out has that button (edit)
 
There's a two-minute window for editing chat messages. After that, only a moderator can edit them.
 
@Drakonoved Questions and answers you can edit anytime, comments you can edit for 5 minutes after posting them and as Mithrandir says, 2 minutes for a chat message
 
7:38 PM
Unless you're a mod, in which case you can edit anything.
 
Could someone explain why the edit time for chat messages is so low?
I always thought it should be at least three minutes, two minutes seems a bit low
 
two minutes is chat, not comments
 
eh, allowing edits at all is problematic when it's difficult to police them. Editing needs to exist for usability reasons, but has a short window to prevent abuse.
 
unfortunately edits do have practical uses
 
7:52 PM
yup
 
would it not be better to disable edits after either two new messages or three minutes elapsing?
whichever comes first
 
dunno
 
so we could raise the bar a bit but still prevent abuse
because honestly nothing bad can happen with editing if you are the last message in a somewhat dead room
 
what problem would it solve? ultimately... you'll always have cases where you missed a typo and didn't notice it till after the window
regardless of whether it's a 2min window or 3min
 
or maybe a longer window
it would give you more time to notice those typos
not saying it would be perfect because no system could truly be perfect
 
7:57 PM
I wouldn't want it to be much longer than it already is, it's annoying when i respond to something and someone then edits or removes it. typos are... well, not really a problem.
 
that's where the message element comes in - if there has already been two messages after a message, then editing would be disabled
 
that window would be quite short in an active conversation
 
making it variable also interferes with a few other uses, such as bots editing oneboxes to not onebox before the window is closed
 
two messages of length 30 or longer, possible
 
8:09 PM
Have you ever noticed those moments in chat where everyone just posts "o/" in quick succession?
 
variable timeouts would just add confusion imo, what would it be solving over just making it 3 minutes?
or leaving it at 2?
 
Infinite deletion time would be useful for bots
 
it would also be convenient for users who in the past posted things that they'd rather not be on the open web today
 
well a clear api would also be useful for bots
but we're not getting that any time soon
 
@YvetteColomb It went well, thank you. FINALLY have managed to get them together on the same day since the new farrier started. As one gets charged for the trip, that's helpful. He just got back from a week in the US, in Kentucky, no less, attending a course. My old farrier picked up and moved himself, his wife horses and tractor to Hungary...
@NickA No, you're not. I saw it when I came back this evening.
 
 
3 hours later…
11:17 PM
Are there any [c] people here?
 
11:32 PM
while there are, this is not a chat room that is intended for programming questions as much as it is intended to discuss meta things
 

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