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Q: Difference between [multithreading] and [concurrency]?

akuzminykhThe description for [multithreading] is Multi-threading is the ability of a computer or a program to perform work concurrently or asynchronously by utilizing multiple concurrent streams of execution (generally referred to as threads). For [concurrency] it's In computer science, concurrency is ...

 
 
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Q: How is extremely low activity leading to extremely high reputation and top 2% of contributors justified

omataiI just stumbled on this question. For a new/rare python user, it leads to several useful answers. But it turns out to be the only question it's OP ever posted. There is no subsequent activity in almost 10 years. Nonetheless, thanks to the steady stream of new/rare python users, it has build the O...

 
 
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Q: Can i ask a question abvout assembly language and raspberry pi in Stack Overflow?

HyperCreeckI am an OS developer and I don't know if anyone on stack overflow knows 6502 assembly language. Can I ask about 6502 Assembly and Raspberry pI 4 on Stack Overflow? Is there another Stack Exchange community for that?

 
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Q: Was there a community requirement to have reaction feature so "instead of clicking on like, you can just say 'thanks'"?

fedorqui 'SO stop harming'There is an interview to SO's CEO Prashanth Chandrasekar in a Spanish newspaper: “No puedes hacer que la gente vaya a la oficina solo por tenerles ahí; debes confiar en que harán su trabajo” You cannot make people go to the office just for the sake of it: you must trust they will do their work Th...

 
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Q: Proposal for a tweak to reputation

omataiI came across this question today. It is the one and only question ever posted by its contributor. In the space of almost 10 years of inactivity, they have accumulated >20k reputation, and are rated as in the top 2% of contributors. No doubt it is a helpful question to a certain audience... but i...

 
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Q: I improved my questions but no one is reviewing it. What should I do?

Mahan LameieMy account is question baned and one of my questions was opinion-based and it was closed. Now, I improved all of my questions and also the opinion-based question. But now, no one is reviewing them and no one knows that my question is not currently opinion-based. I flagged that but nothing changed...

 
 
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Q: Data validation & background for the Thank You Reaction feature test

Yaakov EllisThank you all for voicing your feedback and your concerns regarding the test of the Reactions feature. We would like first to give some additional background surrounding the intentions around this feature, and make things more clear than they were in the first post: Finding a way to allow users t...

 
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Q: Should I edit the title of my question, since it could be misleading?

AmessihelI posted a question whose title assumes the behavior of a command. However, it was obvious this was not the case I stated (the command doesn't set a variable on exit, it sets a status code). The body of the question, however, is more factual. I'm thinking about future readers. Should I edit the t...

 
 
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10:49 AM
yeah I was shocked to see this statement in Prashanth's interview

>Last week we rolled out the 'thank you' feature. For the first time, instead of clicking on like, you can just say 'thanks'. It is something the community wanted to do
 
@fedorqui'SOstopharming' That's sort of technically true enough to pass for "not a lie". Some people comment with "thanks". These people are considered part of the community. Ergo, the community wants to write "thanks" comments. Ergo, they want to thank people. Ergo a thanks feature is something they are interested in.
 
Zoe
> Announcement: -1008
> CEO: "It's something the community wanted to do"
 
I'm only slightly surprised that the feature became the worst scored meta question of all time. I didn't expect it to get there but I guess I was wrong.
 
Zoe
Worst scored MSO question* of all time
At least one announcement from SE that they self-deleted hit literally -2000 net score
 
We don't talk about that post
 
Zoe
10:56 AM
still counts
oh ffs xd
 
Wow, yeah - it now has more downvotes than "upvotes on questions are worth the same as answers". That is "only" the third worst scored but the vote ratio is 1:2, so it has almost 1k downvotes despite being at -500. The thanks feature surpassed it in number of downvotes, though.
 
That wasn't even an official announcement, that was Cody going out of his way to let us all know because SO (the company) didn't want to post on meta.
 
Yep, I agree. I was just comparing downvotes, though, since the second worst scored Q (formerly first) had less downvotes than it even though its overall score was much lower. So, right now the thanks announcement is the worst scored Q and the most downvoted one on MSO. Of all time.
 
Zoe
Keep in mind that the thanks announcement has been featured longer than the HMP removal
 
how low did copy pasta answer get before it got deleted
 
11:08 AM
I would posit that my analysis here is about as valid as the analysis that "It is something the community wanted to do"
 
lol
 
@VLAZ agreed, although Cody Gray found a good weakness on this reasoning:
Does this mean that if we keep posting comments that insult the poster with snarky epithets, we'll get an emoji reaction for that, too? I mean, there's a clear and pressing "need"... — Cody Gray ♦ 2 hours ago
 
They should also add "out of touch" reaction button. Perhaps its the only communication method community can use to make SO staff realize things
 
Zoe
yeah, because that's gonna make a difference compared to thousands of votes and hundreds of people engaging telling them it's a bad idea
 
12:05 PM
anything exciting going on today?
 
12:33 PM
"Where's my beer and pizza?"
Considering that the edit to this answer was analogous to other recent controversies, I believe it's best not to put too much weight on it.
 
 
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Q: how to pass table column name pass in cursor in mysql query

faizan DELIMITER $$ CREATE DEFINER=`root`@`localhost` PROCEDURE `Backoffice_Index_points_oneday_wtihcursor`( IN todaydate date) begin declare m_rows_num int default 0; DECLARE cursor_index_code CURSOR FOR select di...

 
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Q: What to do to help (probably new) users avoid non-answers?

YunnoschI see many many NNAs, probably most of my almost 6000 accepted flags. What would be the advantages and disadvantages of a StackOverflow drivers license test? By that I mean something similar to the question wizard, i.e. something which new users have to get through in order to post an answer (or ...

 
2:41 PM
I don't understand the purpose of the new "thanks" question, i expected to see data, but there is none... just a list of potential sources of data for later?
seems like just an excuse to replace the other one on the feature list
 
Zoe
@KevinB It's ways to tip the data in favor of nuking it
One major reason not to release data metrics before they're actually measured is because that means we now can mess with the data :')
 
right
so why make the post now?
 
Zoe
No idea
 
clearly people are unhappy with it, but if the "experiment" isn't done yet, and we won't be able to garner any real data till weeks after it ends... this post appears to do nothing but move the conversation from post A to post B, where a lot of the same conversation will just repeat itself.
 
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Q: Does Stack Overflow for Teams Business supports ADFS + a second authentication factor?

AlexeiI am in the analysis phase of implementing Stack Overflow for Teams where I work and my manager wants to know if SO for Teams Business works with ADFS + a second authentication factor. Most internal systems require domain username and password + asks for the code generated by Microsoft Authentica...

 
2:50 PM
The post linked by @E_net4isnotcute is exactly right. I understand the utility of a downvote for getting auto-deletion and etc. etc., but my point is that the negatives of the system far far outweigh the potential positives of the system design.
We are ostracizing legitimate users very often. And what's the downside of not getting an automatic deletion or even not having downvotes? The result of removing downvotes would be more "bad questions" don't get deleted. And the positives of changing the system design are a lot more positive interactions for people who would otherwise be ostracized, also maybe more good answers and info on questions that were hastily destroyed.
So, ask ourselves, is it really that bad to have extra questions floating around? If there is no high-rated, accepted answer and the score is 0, is it going to "burden" the "reputation" of the site? I don't think so. The purpose of SO is to put professional programming info in the hands of people searching for it.
Bad posts that come up often in Google will get attention. Bad posts that no one cares about might slip through the cracks of a system without downvotes, but if a tree falls in the forest with no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?
 
yes
it's quite bad to have garbage floating around.
 
lol in programming yes... in the content of a "forum"-ish, Q&A site? no
You search for a tag and search by relevant, crap doesn't show up. You search in Google, and the popular questions come up. Why do we care if there's a couple extra 0-point questions?
 
it's quite unhealthy for the site as a whole to expect people to remain interested in answering the same questions, over and over, adnausium like you'd see in old-style forum systems.
 
When the alternative is ostracizing lots of good content and users
And becoming a meme for lack of friendliness and helpfulness
So, the people who are uninterested... can ignore them?
right? lol
 
it will never not be a "rude" place
 
2:55 PM
we have filters for that reason
 
that ship has sailed
no change that can happen will change that
 
incorrect assumption, imo
easy to change
 
"easy"
yeah, jus rmeove downvotes, easy
remove all forms of moderatino
easy
lets just destroy everything in the name "being friendly" to people who have no interest in actually being a part of the solution.
 
Moderation has never been the "rude" part. Did you read what @E_net4isnotcute. That is an issue of a couple downvoters and condescending downvotes, not moderation
What's the point of SO?
 
depends on who you ask
 
2:58 PM
I think you're missing it. It's essentially to get professional programming info in the hands of people who are searching for it. It's not to have a walled-garden for the experts to sit around enjoying each other's awesomeness
 
when i signed up, the point was to have a quality answer to every good question. to be a resource for developers for learning.
Today... it has become "to answer every question anyone who may want to write code might have"
regardless of how poorly researched, regardless of how many times it's been asked,
it's becoming facebook.
 
With the toxic downvoting / commenting culture, it cannot be a resource for developers for learning. Because only questions that are sufficiently complex and extremely difficult can stay on the site. People are flamed for not having read the entire textbook on "X" before asking their question. "The info is publicly available! Did you even try!?!?!"
 
where the facts and valuable information don't matter, only that people who have questions get answers.
 
The post by @E_net4isnotcute is hilariously true. "Closed as duplicate" because a couple keywords are similar, but that quesiton had not been asked before
 
What are you referring to exactly?
i scrolled some, and don't see what message you're talking about
 
3:01 PM
I see that kind of thing much more often than I see a good new question on SO
 
?
what about it
some misguided user got upset
 
Anyway, I have to go to a meeting, but this is the problem with SO. It's unusable for people who are not at a high level of reputation with some "old" questions or answers already.
So, the site caters only to the "gamers" of the site, not people trying to learn.
 
yes, that's the game.
 
@JosephHansen unusable?
 
it's a mad grab for reputation
 
3:03 PM
@JosephHansen E_net4 linked to this answer which has since been deleted because it was not very kind.
 
it's literally the foundation the site is built on
reputation was the downfall of SO Docs because people were greedy.
people were more interested in generating rep than a repository of useful content
 
I don't really understand why they canned Docs
It seemed like it was doing fine. I guess they just didn't understand how much work it would be
 
It seemed great to me at first, but then as the weeks went on, and more and more people started trying to get their foot in the door with it, adding their own garbage copied in from official docs or existing answers, it just became a wild west
there didn't seem to be any kind of overall vision of what it was meant to be, and the community disagreed with each other over what the vision is/should be, and so nothing stuck
 
@TylerH Partly because it was competing with the main site. My particular beef with it was that if people asked an answer they were often told "Check Docs" but there was no good way to link to the docs like a dupe. You'd just have to leave a comment.
On the other side the docs weren't very well organised. Or were too well organised, depending on how you look at it. If you need to find how to do, say, sorting, you'd likely need to check the sorting entry but also the entry of your language or choice, or maybe even an entirely different entry that happens to be related to sorting.
 
I did focus solely on the CSS/ HTML sections of it. I am sure there were a ton of sections that fared less well
 
3:10 PM
All the knowledge was so fragmented as to make it essentially useless to browse. At least that was why I stopped using it - it was too much hassle.
 
@VLAZ yeah, that goes back to the 'how much work it would be'. They had a great first step but then fell flat on integration/second steps
I also wonder why they didn't take lessons learned/features written from Docs and integrate some of that into tag wiki pages
 
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Q: How is billing being performed for Active Directory users belonging to multiple Stack Overflow for Teams Business using the same ADFS?

AlexeiI have just presented Stack Overflow for Teams to my manager and he informed that the most probable use case is to have multiple teams based on content. However, some employees might belong to more than one team (e.g. general team, some business unit team). This kind of defeats the purpose of SO ...

 
@TylerH It would be so good if we could get at least some of it, yes. The wiki info is pretty good since it has a lot of useful resources and information. Even more usful is that it list some of the canonical questions, so it's easy to find them and link them when needed. It also links to this community wiki Q&A on common operators that are super hard to find with the search function.
We know searching is super hard to use, so some sort of categorisation of content is godsend.
I suppose we could just petition for a better search but it's still good to have stuff like frequent questions that come up gathered in one place.
 
Instead we get a "thanks" visitor counter added next to the voting buttons :-)
 
3:32 PM
just another case of SO Teams driving development of the public facing site
To me it seems the interest here is more looking for a problem for the reactions to solve so that they can get rid of conditionals hiding it from people not using teams.
rather than solving any real problem that the community has
 
I think it was sold as a double whammy along those lines: 1) reduce code differences between the two stacks, thus reducing technical debt, and 2) making SO seem friendlier / nicer
if only someone were interested in selling leadership on all the bugs and feature requests on Meta
 
honestly... if they'd just be upfront with that i'd be more open to it.
spin spin spin
i'm not 100% against reactions, just against where it's located and that it's restricted to only one.
and, that it's not anonymous
being someone who votes a lot, i'd hate for my reaction on a post being within seconds of a vote within the same post indicating me in said vote
> Hey, we have this reactions feature that is working well with teams and would like to bring it to the community at large. What are your thoughts on it, and what changes/features would you like to see made/added to it?
> We've enabled it for one month to give everyone a chance to try it out for themselves and collect data on how people use/adjust to it
 
3:54 PM
@KevinB What I don't like especially here is that it's partially anonymous. You can't see who thanked a post by looking at the reaction icon itself. This seems like it's anonymous. But you can look at the history which isn't obvious to all users. I honestly find it quite misleading.
 
exactly
though.. at this point i'm far past caring if people decide to revenge vote against my existing posts, lol
 
posted on June 30, 2020 by Shrihari V

Accept the name, physics, chemistry, and math marks of 25 students. Display the list of the given data with Total and Average. I need an answer for this import java.util.*; public class Record25_TtlAvg { public static void main(String[] args) { int x=0; int sum=0, sum1=0, sum2=0, sum3=0; float average; String name; int p[] = new in

 
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Q: Is this question acceptable now, or further improvement needed?

BVernonI wrote a question that I don't believe was actually subjective, but I phrased the title in such a way that it might have sounded so to anyone not familiar enough with the technology to realize that my asking whether there was a "more proper" way to do something was really a yes/no question and n...

 
4:43 PM
Hmm, I just had three mentions here and I'm still trying to grasp the whole context. Hold on...
 
yeah i don't quite understand what that was
something to do with a message you asked to be flagged for being rude, being proof of... something... related to downvotes
 
Yes, it appears that I was misunderstood here. I linked it here so it gathered R/A flags faster.
 
I think Joseph didn't realise you linked to a specific answer because it has already been deleted.
 
Ah, that makes sense
 
Yeah, probably that. And that answer isn't the first R/A in that question. Quite a pile of a hot mess in there.
 
4:47 PM
they're just under the rep level of seeing deleted
 
It sure shows that there is much to be done about adjusting user expectations. They are not clients, they are not entitled to an answer, and they must be willing to have their questions withstand scrutiny.
"condescending downvotes" is not even something one could provide evidence of being a problem.
 
i mean... it's just a sign of the times imo
it's an old system, it has flaws, and no amount of finagling with it is going to make downvotes not feel negative.
they are by definition negative
they remove rep
they bring down the question in terms of visibility
there is a way to have the... curation benefits of downvotes without the negative stigma
but it'd be quite a hard sell on actually happening on the stack network
 
I actually wouldn't mind seeing changes. But I feel that not only are most suggestions just carpy, the community will never get to agree with it in unison.
 
so, there's several pain points
the loss of rep from being downvoted, the loss of rep from downvoting bad answers, the "We are no longer accepted questions from you" outcome, and the question score
do away with all 4
instead of not accepting questions, let them ask, just don't display them other than to people looking for them.
 
@KevinB So, shadow-ban for questions?
 
4:57 PM
reduce the rep gain from upvotes to compensate for not losing rep to downvotes,
yes
 
@KevinB This tweak in particular, I'd go behind. But then again, the implications are severe and many have already stated to disagree.
 
I don't think downvotes are such a huge drain on rep to need adjusting.
 
Not that I'd mind either, but people do complain.
 
BRB, let me see what amount of rep I've lost to downvates
 
well, it's less about the rep loss, and more about not making it so blatantly obvious that someone didn't like your post.
Good questions will get answered, bad ones will be automagically deleted due to inactivity
 
5:02 PM
So, give steroids to the Roomba?
 
ofc, there's still the category of questions that get asked dozens of times a day and answered instead of dupe closed, but that's... an unrelated problem imo
yes
basically... i think the Roomba should be able to use different thresholds based on the avg score of a given tag.
so, for example, coldfusion is an incredibly inactive tag that rarely gets answers, much less votes, so the roomba shouldn't be quick to delete things there that have no votes. but, in the case of javascript, it's such an active tag with so many duplicated questions/answers that i think it can stand to be way more aggressive at deleting things.
the one size fits all approach has to fit to the lowest common denominator as to not impede low traffic tags
 
So, I have 35 downvotes on my posts total SEDE. This is a miniscule amount of rep lost due to downvotes. If the rep loss from downvotes was removed, I don't think the upvote amount really needs to be adjusted. Sure, 70 rep lost (max, it's a bit less, actually) would matter more if I had 200 rep total but ultimately I don't think it's relevant in the long run.
 
if it could instead change thresholds based on the activity within a given tag, i think it'd be able to be more effective at removing useless questions than the current closure system is, particularly if we can get more people casting votes
downvotes on my own posts, i'd lose very rep at all
rep lost from casting downvotes, i'd gain a ton of rep
but i'm probably an outlier
 
The downvotes are very unutilised
 
somewhere along the lines of... 10k-15k rep
one of the other benefits of reducing upvote rep would be to prioritize getting accepted answers
i have 15,502 votes on answers, and the overwhelming majority of those were downvotes. but i'm unsure how many of those are on answers that are now deleted
but what i'm thinking is the combination of removing rep from downvotes entirely, both receiving and casting, and then turning the voting buttons into 👍(This is useful) 👎(This is not useful/unclear/poorly researched) right above the comments section and not displaying a total score, we'd end up with a lot more people actually using the voting buttons.
 
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Q: Still blocked from asking questions even after fixing old post

rchurtI made this post (How do I install Cytoscape on Google Colab?) several days ago, and a couple users downvoted it and asked that I provide more information. I think I've improved it enough, but they still haven't removed their downvotes. I'm getting a message that I can't post questions anymore, s...

 
and... i think it's rather important that we prioritize people posting the answer that gets accepted, rather than one that garners an upvote or two.
 
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Q: What about if we count how many times an answer is shared with a positive sentiment?

RubénI really don't know where the following belongs, and if this was suggested before I think that besides counting the votes of users without enough rep to vote it will be nice to count how many times an answer was shared with a positive sentiment Every post already has a "share" link including an U...

 
 
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Q: 1px difference in "votes" section of questions on main page

Kos"votes" section of question seems being higher than "answers" and "views" on StackOverflow main page:

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Q: Link only answer flag is declined

Ch3steRI flagged this answer as Link only answer. I flagged this kind of posts (which contain only link) in the past many and all were marked helpful. What is the reason behind declining the flag? Is it that the post has more upvotes? Mod declined my flag saying: a moderator reviewed your flag, but f...

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Q: Is is possible to delete or edit messages in the chat?

Belal HomaidanI do like to ask if there is a way to edit or delete messages in the chat without flagging them to moderators.

 
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Q: Is question abandonment acceptable, and should the community be able to vote for answers?

ChristianI've relied on SO for years now as a study resource, but this year I began answering questions and trying to get involved - however, I've found it incredibly common for a person to ask a question, get responses, and then abandon the thread without accepting an answer. I don't mean to sound like a...

 
 
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Q: How can someone have a 7,000+ reputation drop?

0-1I was looking at this page: Users > Reputation > Year > page 340,860 I noticed that there's some pretty hefty drops. 2 users actually have dropped over 7,000 rep this past year. But there's something interesting about these two drops: They are different. Type 1 - Magic Drop around April, this us...

 

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