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Q: Stackoerflow behaves rowdy. NO developer friendly. should improve

Padmanabhanstackoverflow is more interested in policing. Not behaving developer friendly. The stupidest policies you have. if someone is banned from asking questions, the only remedy you suggest is, improving his old and outdated questions. Only Stupidest people will devise such a policy. Who the hell would...

 
2:41 AM
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Q: Java 8 - get results in input order

PrasannaI have this code that filters and then groups words, but how do I group them in the same order that appears in the input? Or, does it need another map function to map it? How would I do that? Map<String, Long> map = input.stream().filter(contentList::contains).collect(groupingBy(Function.identity...

 
3:03 AM
@JosephHansen Downvotes are an essential part of maintaining quality. Questions and answers on Stack Exchange are supposed to be held to a standard of high quality, and without some way of filtering the wheat from the chaff that's not possible. Downvotes allow bad questions and answers to sink to the bottom while the good posts rise to the top.
It may sting to be told "your post is low-quality", which is what a downvote is, but... there's not really a way to get around that while still having quality control.
 
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Q: Why it can't add class?

Stefan StankovicI'm trying to build tabs. My javascript add/remove "active" class to first div element with class="content" and to the 3rd one too, but it skips the second tab with the same class. What should I do to fix it? html: <article class="about"> <div class="btn-container"> ...

 
3:35 AM
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Q: Simulate Atmel Boards without hardware (SAM4L-EK)

glory9211In the current work from home scenario I would like some help in finding a way to work on my codes, Like showing text on LCD of SAM4L-EK board without actually having the hardware. I was wondering if someone has found a solution similar to the "Microsoft online Raspberry Pi" simulator. I've done ...

 
 
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7:56 AM
@Mithical Is there really no way around it? I don't care about the sting of "your post is low-quality" personally, but also, insensitive know-it-alls do tend to enjoy sending that message even when they're wrong. (A well-known SO meme across the rest of the internet.) Isn't a post score information enough? Why does it need downvotes to "maintain quality"? The question-asker on the meta question in question said "[a score of 0 means nothing!]" which is an incompetent statement.
 
@JosephHansen These are flaggable offenses. If we weed them out, should we upvote every other post? If it doesn't contain useful information but no abuse, is it supposed to be good?
 
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Q: Why do we still allow question with just Unix/Linux tags to get posted on SO unfiltered?

d4rk4ng31In addition to the question asked here I have recently noticed that the questions which have only Linux/Unix related tags example are allowed to get posted on SO, and then the guys on SO need to tell users to delete that question and repost it on Unix and Linux or need to trouble moderators by fl...

 
I may not know enough, maybe there is big difference to the site's algorithms when a post has a score of -2 versus 0, but I'm honestly curious why the SO community feels it's imperative to have downvotes and negative-scored votes in order to "maintain quality". Doesn't the absence of upvotes also communicate that? And without the hurt to brand new users and without the ego stroke to some users who do enjoy the punishment of downvoting?
 
@JosephHansen how do you differentiate between "this hasn't been seen" and "this isn't useful information"?
 
@VLAZ What are flaggable offenses? You mean posts with flaggable offenses are grounds for downvoting and no other posts are worthy of downvoting?
@VLAZ If a post violates the site's rules regarding good questions, don't you suggest edits or flag for closing? Why do you need flagging and downvoting to communicate that? Flagging is much better.
Also, does it matter, the differentiation between "this hasn't been seen" and "this isn't useful information"? They're both low scores, which means someone filtering for good content will ignore them. You would want to ignore it in both cases. So... seems like it works to me.
 
8:01 AM
@JosephHansen That's what you indicated. Your list of downvote reasons consisted of flaggable offences. I'd prefer to just have them gone. So, they are flaggable offenses and ideally removed. Now, let's focus on the rest of the content, not the things that shouldn't exist.
 
I'm not getting your argument then. When would a downvote be a good thing?
Besides for flaggable offences...
Anyways, I hope my tone is not coming off as belligerent, I sincerely hope to find that someone can convince me that there is a good reason for downvotes. In my opinion, it seems the needs that downvoting serves are solved in other ways much more effectively, and that the negatives of downvoting, especially on new and useful content and new users, are extraordinary.
 
@JosephHansen Rating content. If you only allow upvotes, then everything is varying degrees of "good". Lack of upvotes doesn't mean bad, it may just mean "nobody has rated this yet. Then you get the other problem that we currently have - if 10 people upvote something, they can all be wrong. The downvotes at least give some chance of indicating "that's not actually useful".
 
8:17 AM
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Q: Closed question in Spanish, but I can offer an answer

Lila GrecoHere is a closed question in Spanish. I am not sure why it is closed. I can offer it an answer. Is it because it is in Spanish? How about answer the question in Spanish? Could a moderator to give me some points? Thanks.

 
@VLAZ On a numeric rating scale, anything can mean anything. I don't agree that "everything is varying degrees of 'good'". 0 can mean bad. And -1 can mean some reputation-drug-addict didn't like the question. There is also the combination of timestamps on posts to discern newness. If 10 people upvote something, they could all be wrong. But what about 100 people? What about 100 people from 2006? I think everyone is taking the scoring thing too seriously. It's all relative.
And downvotes don't add to the conversation in a positive way.
 
Celebrating 100 answers on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/398367/… and counting.
@JosephHansen "When would a downvote be a good thing?" It improves signal to noise by a factor of 2. If you only upvote the good stuff the separation from good to bad is not as clear as if you also downvote the bad stuff whenever you see it. If you are worried about the sign of the score, no problem, we could start with a positive value, say +2 for every new question and work it from there. Up and down just mean good and bad, it's nothing personal.
 
@Trilarion Ok, fair enough. But can I trust the statement that it improves signal-to-noise by a factor of 2? Or are we just telling ourselves it does? How does downvoting help the site though? They won't get revoked when posts are improved, probably. They block new users from getting the privilege to even comment, etc., when the field of possible questions is already small for them. I dunno, I just can't convince myself that downvotes would be good.
 
Okay, statistically speaking it might be more a factor of square root of two (if the number of votes is doubled).
Yes, posts usually get better in the beginning, so revoking a downvote might happen more often than revoking an upvote because a post got worse (outdated maybe?). But then my impression is that posts mostly stay the same.
"Or are we just telling ourselves it does?" We don't know for sure, that what happens in simple experiments in statistics. Two times more votes improve error of the mean by square root of two, ~40%. But that's not really proven for SO.
Yes, it blocks new users. That might be a good thing or a bad thing. I don't know. If you are not convinced that downvotes are a good thing, I would not use them.
I like downvotes because they give a strong signal that something is wrong and needs to be improved. Much more than the absence of upvotes.
 
8:45 AM
Well, I support that everyone can use the controls the way they want to. I suppose I have nothing but a dissenting opinion to the large group that was very supportive of the meta question asker who started the conversation. My bottom line is, I think downvotes don't encourage improvement, but deletion, especially on questions. Or maybe, it's that I think bad answers that don't break SO rules should be deleted so that distinction is moot for answers.
Downvoting seems to discourage participation, not improve quality. In fact, it discourages and blocks participation. I suppose if that's the point, then so be it. I even still at 10k rep have had personal experiences where I'm genuinely seeking info for a question that is perfect for SO and it gets downvoted into oblivion (that's at approximately -2, by the way, the point where no one looks at it anymore).
I remember laughing at one question in particular because it was a mirror of a suggested question on one of SO's info / tutorial pages but for different languages and technologies, and two experienced users included positive comments and tried to counteract three downvotes. Alas, at -1 and multiple passed hours, I never stood a chance of getting an answer.
For what it's worth, the current stackoverflow.com/tour page says "Good answers are voted up and rise to the top" and doesn't mention shoving bad ones into the ground.
 
9:29 AM
@JosephHansen That's selective reading on your part. Why vote states:
> ...incorrect content falls to the bottom
> while voting down a post signals the opposite: that the post contains wrong information, is poorly researched, or fails to communicate information.
 
Zoe
Downvotes as a system would function a lot better if people voted more in general
Balancing out revenge downvotes can't be done while people don't vote. That's yet another reason why the "thanks" feature is extremely destructive
You're right there's serial and revenge downvoting. Only serial downvoting seems to get reverted; there's a lot of at least seemingly serial upvoting that gets outright ignored. The vote system has a few issues, but downvoting is still a necessary site process - even if it sucks when someone decides to get revenge for their own petty and pathetic reasons. Reputation is called a "rough estimate of trust" and nothing else.
Downvotes are meant to indicate possible problems; upvotes are meant to highlight good and/or relevant content
People deciding to abuse features is unavoidable, because people suck. Downvotes, as vlaz mentioned, have an important function when it's used properly. You're assuming a lot of negative stuff about high-rep users, but the downvoting privilege unlocks at 125 rep. People with higher rep have more experience using votes properly. There's still abusive voting patterns in high rep users - don't get me wrong, I'm not saying high-rep users are perfect and do everything correctly, but the pool is a lot bigger than you make it out to be
Downvotes happen because people post low-quality content. People post low-quality content because SE seems to fail at implementing tools to help askers write better questions.
You know, there's people who ask low-quality questions, and then seemingly leave and never come back. Comments requesting changes get ignored instead, and the only thing that's ever gonna happen to the post is downvotes, closure, and automatic or manual deletion.
 
9:48 AM
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Q: What should I do if I find an answer in a question but the question itself is a different problem?

bravemasterI had a problem in my project (React Native + Rails). Backend keeps getting ArgumentError (invalid byte sequence in UTF-8). I googled for it for a few hours but cannot get any answer (of course trying to fix it by myself). Eventually, I found a solution from an answer of this post: How to upload ...

 
10:06 AM
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Q: Reaching 2000 Reputation

AliSince I reached 2000 rep, I have been spending way more time getting things done on StackOverflow which I love but I am very much curious about the fact that Approving/Rejecting Edits or Editing Posts do not give you any more rep. Why is that?

 
10:18 AM
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Q: Could I know why my comment was deleted?

MrUpsidownYesterday, I commented on 2 similar answers provided by the same user, one of them was this one. The solution is really wrong and to be avoided so I placed a comment saying something along those lines: "This is wrong. These class names are undocumented and shouldn't be used ..." and also maybe su...

 
 
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2:25 PM
@JosephHansen Downvotes are the most effective way of getting a post deleted. If uncontested, a single downvote is all that is needed for deletion to occur. The... "if uncontested" part here is where a lot of conflict occurs. because the two votes cancel each other out, people just throwing out upvotes willy nilly hamstrings the system, eventually requiring 4 people with adequate reputation to remove useless posts leading to uncontrollable growth in # of useless questions on the network.
which... makes several of the existing systems not function very well. I feel like it's far harder now days to find good duplicate questions for duplicate closure than it used to be, often even in cases where it's a question I've dupe closed dozens of times previously.
which... in turn results in less dupe closure, further impeding finding good dupes... or in the case of askers, finding answers without asking.
From this PoV, i can kinda get behind adding reactions... if done not like they are now, but more as something with several to choose from right above the comment section of both questions and answers so that people can react to a post without it affecting the moderation of the post.
 
3:07 PM
Let's see some flags here, folks.
 
Zoe
meh
 
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Q: Duplicate model doesn't accept Enter after pasting link

CodeCasterFind a random question you believe to be a duplicate. Find an original question that solves the problem and copy the link. Click "close", then "Duplicate". Modal opens. Paste link from clipboard. Press Enter. Expectation: the Enter is interpreted as a click to "Vote to close". Actual behavior: th...

 
3:40 PM
eh, i don't interpret the answer that way. Me "imagining" who people who do x are isn't me saying people who do x are that. though... it's certainly not useful information for making the argument that person seems to be attempting to make.
 
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Q: How should I update the link I used for marking a question as duplicate?

ABGRThe problem seems to be very basic but I couldn't find an answer to it even after searching extensively. I saw a question on SO and found that It's a duplicate of another question so decided to cast 'Close Vote' on it. While doing so I selected the reason as duplicate but I accidentally provided ...

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Q: Should users be able to refute a close decision?

EspenShould users be able to refute a close decision? Should closing a topic be the decision of one man even how good reputation, and nobody can even a tiny bit refute it? Asking a very specific question, and getting it closed in one minute by duplicate to a very general question where the answer in s...

 
 
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6:24 PM
posted on June 29, 2020 by Aquarius_Girl

Typescript function syntax This question is important for me. I don't want it to get closed. It has received a close vote saying it needs to be focused. How do I make it focused? Why do you think it is not focused?

 
6:54 PM
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Q: Merge tag ansible-2.x with tag ansible?

Baptiste Mille-MathiasLooking at the tags around ansible I see no use to have a separate tag ansible-2.x. I did not see any question about ansible 1.x so having both is redundant. Could it be possible to delete ansible-2.x in favor of ansible ? Best.

 
7:48 PM
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Q: Can we ask about educational materiels?

Trying_to_workCan I ask if anybody has reccomendations on how to learn something on stack overflow? I wonder because I want to ask about learning resources for algorithms.

 
8:04 PM
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Q: 2020 Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

CatijaStack Overflow is scheduled for an election starting next week, 6 July 2020. In connection with that, we will be holding a Q&A with the candidates. This will be an opportunity for members of the community to pose questions to the candidates on the topic of moderation. Participation is completely...

 
a negative score already? tough crowd
 
8:42 PM
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Q: Put a link to "how to ask" in the close box

kluttI just realized that when a question is closed, it does not have the [ask] link. https://stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask The current message is (for questions closed for not being focused): Closed. This question needs to be more focused. It is not currently accepting answers. Update the quest...

 
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Q: Send mail as soon as somebody answers or comments on question

SoumyaMahuntStackoverflow is global platform with lots of international users with different time zones. It is difficult to match active time of different people in different time zones. So whenever somebody answers or comments on my question right now the minimum hour I will get email notification is 3. Bet...

 
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