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1:19 AM
I've driven faster in cars, but the speed that felt the fastest was 85km/h on a bicycle :p
 
That is indeed fast.
 
1:38 AM
Fastest I've done is 105mph for a few seconds in a minivan of all things, fastest sustained is probably 90mph
 
2:07 AM
The fastest I've been is when I went overseas to germany. I wish we had autobahns in australia :(
 
2:33 AM
Not entirely sure how fast I've been. Maybe 120mph?
 
 
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6:07 AM
Lol boring, I’ve been faster
 
morning
 
6:44 AM
@YvetteColomb Well, there's been more than one, if you count animated, but Reed Richards / Mr. Fantastic of the Fantastic Four?
 
@YvetteColomb people calling you out as unwelcoming on social media have some nerve. You've been working on, and I mean actually working on not sniping at from afar with unearned condescension, actually making the site more inclusive since years before anyone at the company had the idea.
 
user3956566
7:21 AM
@Magisch thank you very much Mags!
 
user3956566
@CindyMeister yeh I'm not sure .. my super hero knowledge is poor
 
8:11 AM
Good morning meta
 
guten morgen
 
morning all o/
 
9:10 AM
any prediction as to when the promised update from Shog9 regarding the 3cv experiment can be expected? (other than the perennial 6-8 units)
 
8-6 units
No sorry
 
user10995231
9:28 AM
Hi everyone.
 
hi
 
user10995231
i am working on vpn android app.. i searched alot but no idea can anyone help me. thanks in advance..
 
user10995231
i search about 10 15 github repositories .. but can't get any idea ..
 
That's not much to go off, but I'd recommend putting all of your thoughts together into a succinct question, including the things that you've tried and why they didn't work for you. Once you have your thoughts together just go ahead and ask a question
 
@Arsalan Wrong room. You may get help on this room. Read room Rules before post.
 
user10995231
9:34 AM
hmm ok. sorry
 
user3956566
@DaImTo hello! Welcome! So nice to see you in here :)
 
user3956566
Who would've thought :D
 
user3956566
@tripleee I've deliberately not asked...
 
in other news, DineshVishwakarma sent me a chat invitation but never responded when I joined the room, any idea who this is and why they would ping me?
 
No sorry, I'm busy mourning the loss of Citrus Sharp Polos.... 15 years after the fact
 
9:58 AM
@tripleee They deleted their own question 2 weeks ago and you may have been a close voter or something similar, other than that couldn't find any connection
 
Zoe
popcorn o/
 
Hey Zoe
 
Afternoon
 
\o
 
@NickA hmmm, thanks
 
10:31 AM
@YvetteColomb I am on SO most of the day might as well chat to :)
 
user3956566
@DaImTo it's good to be in touch again. How have you been?
 
user3956566
@NickA lol Now I'm hungry!
 
>.> Not my fault
 
Currently decoding the name . . . please wait
 
offers popcorn
 
user3956566
10:39 AM
@Zoe double hungry- I really need to by some popping corn
 
Hmm, DIToma
I'm sure that's an Egyptian God or something.
 
user3956566
@NickA nah it's really not the same when it's not stolen :p
 
withdraws offer
 
I've only had water for breakfast, if it makes you happier
It certainly makes Mith happier.
 
user3956566
snatches popcorn gimme that when good mods go bad
 
10:40 AM
@M.A.R. I've had 2 snickers and some water...
 
user3956566
@M.A.R. why is mith being so mean? That's my job?
 
user3956566
@NickA omg I'm so jealous.
 
user3956566
you come in here with all your fancy junk food parading it around... I dunno
 
2 snickers for 85p (1.55AUD)
 
user3956566
:{
 
Zoe
10:42 AM
@NickA Sold!
 
@YvetteColomb He is the embodiment of evil.
The harbinger of doom
 
user3956566
I'm truly shocked, he seemed so sweet.
 
I am good started a new job a few weeks ago. Just did my last conference talk for a while yesterday.
 
I want an AUDi.
 
user3956566
@DaImTo congratulations!
 
10:44 AM
@M.A.R. nice...
 
user3956566
how are you enjoying it? a new job is a big change
 
Audi is nice or me wanting it?
@DaImTo Being done with conferences is a very freeing feeling
 
@M.A.R. Nice joke
Nothing more
 
Next question, is calling someone a nice joke a compliment or a comeback?
 
@M.A.R. isnt it just i went home last night and i was so tired. Who ever thought it was a grate idea to agree to a conference talk two weeks after starting a new job. Was an idiot.
 
10:49 AM
There's an ample supply of idiots, worry not.
 
user3956566
@DaImTo aye I can relate to that type of thing
 
user3956566
@M.A.R. shhhh we need to at least attempt to look intelligent :)
 
user3956566
what was the conference talk about?
 
As a nonstated rule of thumb, people that are talking exclude themselves from the idiots gang ;)
 
user3956566
oh no - you're in there right with the rest of us :p
 
user3956566
10:52 AM
hand yanks you back down into the idiot pit
 
@M.A.R. Sorry, busy discussing cricket
@YvetteColomb Can't believe you guys kept the Ashes because we got rained off on the second match (not like we played really really poorly >.>)
 
11:35 AM
@NickA no I was just kidding
 
I just saw some question around meta and have a question for @YvetteColomb
I don't know you much and I am not that active in all this drama going around, but damn girl you are fighting windmills ... even that Tim dude told you `Yvette pours her heart (probably way too much) into working ` ... I really wonder, why are you doing all this? Because you believe in some grand idea of making this big library of knowledge peaceful and respectful? What are you trying to accomplish here that's worth your health and stress?
 
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12:27 PM
@Veljko89 it's more than the library -it's trying to somehow leave the world a better place for being in it. Not sure how it's stacking up, but can only try
 
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I think human beings can be a horrible species. We have these well developed frontal lobes and I encourage us to use them
 
12:39 PM
you really think highly of this place ... not to mention high hopes in human
hope you manage in what you trying to acomplish
 
 
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1:48 PM
@YvetteColomb .net core Blzaor intro
 
2:00 PM
@Veljko89 Maybe she just feels she can do a lot of good and goes through with it instead of wobbling like the rest of us
 
But that's the point, maybe some places don't deserve someones energy to be spent on it ... like maybe SO don't deserve all stuff she is doing
 
She's the hero SO needs...
2
 
Needs <> Deserves
 
Zoe
Needs Diamond Deserves?
 
@Veljko89 That was sort of what I was getting at...
 
2:08 PM
@Veljko89 "Maybe some places don't deserve someones energy", Let me fix that for you: "No place deserves someones energy, some people are just selfless".
 
Veljko89 Once you've put so much of yourself in to something (accidental euphemism aside) - it's hard to let it go (teehee) - do you accept that all that time/love/passion that you've already given has been wasted, or do you keep going until you achieve what you set out to do? Personally, I'd back her all the way (fwiw)
 
Do we need a petition to rename The Meta Room to Yvette's Fan Club?
 
No need of petition, just do it
 
I kinda have a different opinion, sometimes there comes to time when i simply say fuck all of it and i vanish .... it never goes down the drain, i learned something, got new xp, had ups and downs, but there are times when it makes no point wasting myself for it
but thats why world is cool, loads of different type of people
 
2:25 PM
I guess it's harder to do that when you feel like you might be letting others down. Agreed, it'd be boring if we were all the same.
 
3:20 PM
meh
 
Hey Kev
 
3:34 PM
o/
 
user3956566
4:09 PM
@M.A.R. I enjoy being a part of the site - though sometimes it drives me to distraction. The net worth is a benefit.
 
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@Veljko89 agree and don't forget I'm older. I'm tired. I have an illness that is disabling. So being online is a way for me to have community.
 
4:28 PM
@YvetteColomb distracting? Dunno what you mean, I only spend about 7hrs of my work day on SO
 
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@NickA I find it so hard not to pop on here. When I am with my horses and driving. the only times I'm not.
 
@YvetteColomb I try to avoid it at home... the last couple weeks ive failed, too much drama shoves popcorn in mouth
 
user3956566
@NickA hey give me that! grabs popcorn
 
^^
 
user3956566
4:43 PM
don't give me those eyebrows
 
They're my eyes, they bend weird
 
user3956566
@PaulStenne hey - this room is a little like socvr was when we had tuna with us
 
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and you were the spearral
 
user3956566
@NickA yeh I took a guess at that lol
 
5:41 PM
 
 
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7:44 PM
Heya @YvetteColomb, dunno if you have time and/or are interested, but if you want more insight about what makes me stepping down and leaving, feel free to open a private room. (sorry, I've no idea how to make this offer less public without wasting a mod flag for a one on one talk)
 
7:57 PM
Hey @Tensibai - you may have to wait til morning for a reply. She may be asleep. Time zones and all that. Just a nudge that she’s not ignoring you.
 
@Lewis No worries, I understand time zone and know we're a bit far away :o) Thanks for the head up, I did just throw that while I think about it in a "less public than meta" place
 
Err, I’ve accidentally clicked on full site in the sidebar. Anyone got any ideas how to get back to mobile? Going back doesn’t work.
 
the 3 dots on top right => uncheck show desktop version
 
Zoe
@Lewis If you did it on the website, there's a tiny "mobile" link in the bottom-right corner
 
@Zoe Yep, did it through the site - thank you! Can read it now without a magnifying glass. Thanks anyways Tensibai
 
8:04 PM
No worries, I've forgot the link on site :)
 
8:15 PM
@Lewis "going back to mobile"? Do I hear that correctly? O.o
Why would anyone go back to mobile . . . It's a realm of fear and terror
One of those
 
You do, M.A.R, unfortunately. The addiction can not be shaken, even if I have to use mobile *shudders*
 
8:34 PM
@Tensibai I do wish more people didn't look at it as a one-way trip. There's no denying that meta has been a downer, but I wouldn't shut myself out, but instead promise to come back later (days, weeks, months). There's of course the worry that things might get worse, but we don't know that. I tend to look on the bright side.
Until my eyes bleed.
And I tend to look at the glass instead. Why is everyone looking at either the water or the air. You can't even see them all that well.
 
My eyes are bleeding, I saw questions everyday and a push for accepting and answering badly defined things, and people willing to gain imaginaty points complaining when they're closed as dupe, and now SO has officially stated the quality is not important anymore, we'll try 'to find gems in the flow' (roughly).
 
I mean... i dont think anything has really changed in terms of what is and isn't off topic, what is closeworthy/isnt, what is downvoteworthy/isnt, at least not in the past few years.
 
Add to this meta talks are not parseable on a single page anymore due to comments moved to chat, where coming late 1 week after the fact you can't drop anything more as the room is frozen and you have something that actively doesn't show a will for input anymore
 
@Tensibai It's exhausting. Of course it is.
 
If anything at all has changed, it's that people are more aware of what is and isn't acceptable as a comment, and maybe a feeling of entitlement by new users, possibly due to messaging the company is sending.
The entitlement was always there imo, it's just now there's official articles they can point at to support their claims.
 
8:40 PM
I forgot why it had to change. The guideline of "if it's getting problematic, trash it" seems to work pretty well.
When I think about it, things started getting emotional and all, so the guideline didn't serve much purpose anymore.
 
people started using hot phrases to supplement their complaints
 
Then dawned the realization that sometimes comments do get out of hand, but the response was to tighten the belt a bit too much.
@KevinB "Stack Overflow is boiling my chili."
 
like zomg we're not being inclusive
 
I don't notice it enough because I watch and don't comment, but it feels a bit like Skeptics.
Except opinions aren't and shouldn't be allowed there, but here
 
when there's literally nothing the platform or community does that hasn't always been against the rules that would have anthing to do with inclusivity.
making comment flags more accessable was a good move imo
 
8:43 PM
I strongly disagree, I'd would have to find a comment to me a fair number of years ago to show that but that wouldn't change anything so I won't bother
 
i'm not saying there weren't/arent bad eggs
but the platform doesn't promote that kind of conduct. it's explicitly against the rules, always has been. If it gets flagged, it'l get dealt with. we can't stop people from being ugly, we can only deal with it when it occurs.
 
More accessible? You mean the change to NLN and rude and rude but with spice?
 
that, and making the flag button always visible
 
I think that's alright, but the last system worked for a couple of years and people got a good feeling of when to use those options (and so did mods), but this new one requires a bit of an elognated getting-used-to.
 
eh, that's a problem for the mods to deal with. :p
at least people are raising flags now
 
8:50 PM
To be fair, "people don't know to flag problematic content" is brought up less frequently as an argument.
Which might be just correlation, BTW.
 
yup.
i just feel like people have this crazy expectation that we can somehow get people to stop being ugly without them first doing it and getting reprimanded.
We can certainly change the name of comments, the button, etc, to make people communicate less... but i feel like that communication is important.
 
@KevinB My gut feeling says that would reduce communication but not even make a dent in the most problematic ones, the ones we're trying to mind control people into not posting
 
right
because those aren't made out of an intent to request clarification etc, they're a gut reaction to feeling like they've been slighted
 
I stand by my position that most of the problems comes from not fencing the input, mostly what github project had in issues for years before issue/PR templates
Once people have a "canva" to fill, they think twice before submitting and the quality of request rise, in turn it's easier to answer/help them, this reduce frustration on incomplete requests and in turn snarks becomes nearly inexistent and easier to deal with...
 
I wonder how different it would be if the conversation between the OP and the curator was more... private
if people would behave differently if they knew only the OP was going to read it
 
9:03 PM
@KevinB don't bother, they would not, practicing IRC and Slack gave me a fair idea that people don't bother if it's public or not, they're even more harsh in private IMHO
 
Right, but this would be a step back from that IMO. it wouldn't be private such that there are no consequences, it's that the person leaving the comment would no longer get the "win" of leaving the hurtful comment that was "funny" enough to receive upvotes, comment upvotes would essentially not exist. the parties to the conversation would still be able to flag inappropriate conduct.
I think it would remove the feeling of being criticized in a public square.
 
People leave snarky comment out of despear and frustration mostly (those who does for fame have to be suspended), they don't get back to see their comment score, they don't care, they just vent their frustration toward this "yet another asker who didn't think before posting and pasted crap"
 
It would however put a lot more responsibility on the OP, as they'd be the ones who need to act
 
First step should be guiding the askers, hence why I insist on the issue template model, what we got for the last 3 years is the unfisnished wizard... that was already hard to handle, but the latests evens have nailed my interest, I'll be around until october 8 and the diamond dance on devops.se and I'll just give up after that
 
I sort of view it similar to the mentorship program we had, Ideally the only people who would go through the trouble of starting such a conv with the OP would be people who are willing to provide that 1 on 1 assistance
 
9:11 PM
@KevinB It's the internet. The troll gains satisfaction by exactly becoming certain people read it.
 
@Tensibai I suppose the number of examples in the documentation was included with the intention to show how this argument works. But now I agree that it is really confusing, so I provided some explanation :) — tmfmnk 14 mins ago
There's probably hope, but honestly, I'm tired
 
@Tensibai Which is kinda what I'm saying. I respect your decision to let someone else take the wheel. Grab a Pina Colada and take a break, but don't shut yourself out. :)
Unless it's my Pina Colada
 
Ideally comments should only be used to assist fixing the question such that it could/should be answered.... which is what the mentorship program was for, only it was targeted at only newer users. If we had a system that was more broad, easier to approach/use that applied to people of all levels that entirely replaces comments with a system that eliminates the ability to just leave a 1 off useless comment, i think that'd be a net positive.
essentally someone would express interest in answering a question, and at that point they'd be able to join the conversation with the OP to request clarification etc
if needed
 
@M.A.R. Why would I stay ? I'm already filtering SO answer before 2017 as usually they boild down to "Try this" without any explanation so I can adapt to my case
The comment I linked is exactly what I'm exhausted of, crappy answer like 'Try this <code>" from a 10k+ user. This getting upvoted, needing a bunch of back and forth to , hopefully this time, turn into something useful. But that's 1 on 10 who do listen and edit their answers, and if you edit them they yell at you.
 
9:34 PM
yeah... that's a rampant issue. People routinely providing crappy answers, and getting rewarded for it. but... 9 times out of 10 they don't get rewarded for it any further than that day. The post doesn't continue gaining rep over time.
at least, not at the frequency of a much better answer
 
May I share a blatant example ?
Nevermind, that would be ranting again, I'll avoid that
 

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