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4:09 PM
People (ROs especially), going over the discussions the last five or six hours... I may be old-fashioned, but profanity does bother me. I put words such as "shit", and "fuck" definitely in that category; "crap" may be more borderline, but falls there, as well, in my book. Throwing popcorn around the room is one thing; this is something else.
From my own experience, I know it can be difficult to distinguish in a second+ language, which "power" words are allowed, and which are outside the pale - I tell you with authority: these are the latter. Please...?
 
That's actually part of the current CoC. but i don't have much interest in digging through chat history every time i return, :shrug:
the most problematic cases can be flagged pretty easily, the rest are... well, not problematic, but couldn't hurt to move them
 
@CindyMeister I'd like to acquit crap
 
4:25 PM
eh, i'm not comfortable taking action a message using "shit" in a way that isn't derogatory to a person or group of people. kinda silly tbh. What would you prefer them use instead? garbage? it's no better, just happens to not be on a list.
 
@KevinB use crap instead
 
Of course,
but i can't edit other people's messages.
 
Moving the message, pointing it out, or kicking, are all going to just draw more attention to it.
 
Carlin was unimaginative, there's duplicates in there
What exactly triggers an "automatic suspension" for inappropriate content? Is there a word filter or is it based on flags or something?
 
4:33 PM
the only automatic suspension i know of is when you're kicked, or when a message of yours is flagged enough.
 
surely if you're kicked that's not automatic?
 
@CindyMeister Of course, if every second chat message included one of those, I'd be disgusted too, but an occasional "shit" shouldn't be too harmful (although to me F- and other alphabet words are of a different category entirely). Now I'd need to read some of the previous messages to see what you're talking about, but alright, that's a thing to keep in mind for the future.
If the discussion is not particularly heated, maybe just a single request would do.
 
@M.A.R. There were a number of uses of the word in a row :-)
 
@OrangeDog rude flags only
 
@OrangeDog 6 flags
 
4:35 PM
@OrangeDog by your definition of automatic, no there is no automatic suspension
there's always some user action
 
@M.A.R. Or 1 mod
 
@AndrasDeak ah, that was probably it
 
Or two hedgehogs
 
be it a flag or kicks
 
Foul
 
4:36 PM
@KevinB kucks don't suspend
 
?
Then what do you call it?
 
@Raedwald This is more SO-themed than the Tavern, and the folks in the Tavern are objectively subjectively more laid back (I guess why not considering half of the discussion is usually either me, Journey or Sha(dow))
 
The first kick prevents you from interacting with chat for 1 minute
second 5 minutes
3rd 30 minutes
 
That sounds fun
 
i'd call each of those a suspension
 
4:38 PM
Never got to try the second one
 
This was straight into a 30min "automatic suspension"
 
@KevinB One can go be rude elsewhere while kicked from one room
@OrangeDog Mod.
Definitely mod.
 
@KevinB interacting with that one room
Right?
 
dunno
never been kicked, :shrug:
 
I would argue "automatic" is quite misleading in that case then
 
4:39 PM
Suspension locks you out altogether and shows up in your profile
@KevinB it does
@OrangeDog the action is the message deletion. Suspension is a side-effect.
As opposed to mod-given suspensions
 
I assume the link to the inappropriate content on the profile doesn't show up for everyone else?
 
We have one of those?
Checks inappropriate content tab
 
@OrangeDog the content disappears
Only you and ROs and mods can read it
 
Makes sense. In case any mods here have gone and checked, it does look really bad out of context.
 
Can I say "Awww droppings!" to express disappointment in chat without risk of being flagged as rude?
 
4:43 PM
@AndrasDeak Unless mods redact it, so we won't see it
 
it wasn't that bad
 
They're such killjoys, they always do that
 
@M.A.R. right, but that almost never happens
@OrangeDog oh, yeah
 
@ConspicuousCompiler You can say lots of things as long as good/honest intent can be implied. The conversation @CindyMeister was referring to was a joke stretched very, very, very thin.
 
Honest intent!? Awww droppings!
 
4:54 PM
 
@M.A.R. Exactly. I have never said anything when the occasional word has dropped. But that exchange this afternoon was in extremely poor taste. To put it tactfully.
To the rest of you: Yes, I could have flagged the entire thing, and will do so in the future. I was trying to avoid making additional work and "kicks", etc. But so be it <shrug>
 
@M.A.R. shouldn't we assume positive intent unless shown otherwise?
 
looks like someone just scrolled up...
 
hmm?
 
nice!
 
5:19 PM
So, what if we say "Beer is the shit!"?
 
It's easier to avoid it categorically than to rules-lawyer
 
It's even easier to not maintain a blacklist for certain words
Judge them on a case-by-case basis.
I'm very much opposed to "You can't say X".
 
@Cerbrus that's how you can prevent offense in a heterogeneous audience though
 
By walking on eggshells, yes.
 
Indeed
 
5:32 PM
And that's not gonna happen.
If a discussion is getting out of hand, ping an RO or report the message.
We're all adults here, and we can all deal with some jokes that are in poor taste like adults.
Well, technically, users here can be 13 and older, but still.
 
@Cerbrus implying that people with a more delicate nature are not adults is not welcoming
 
Oh please
 
@Mgetz That doesn't contradict what I said
 
@Cerbrus only half sarcastic
 
@M.A.R. no it's a slightly different angle, that personally I think starts from a better place IMO
 
5:37 PM
Sarcasm doesn't translate very well to chat.
 
Good, because only half
 
Still, even people with a more delicate nature can just report a message or contact an RO
We don't need more rules or some kind of blacklist.
 
@Mgetz Perhaps my wording was a bit rash then. If people aren't gonna assume you're being a nuisance, the limit on what you can say is amazingly much larger compared to when you've tainted the picture with the subtlest loaded term or the smallest indication of an agenda.
 
6:03 PM
heads up: I "cleaned" up the "shit" messages in case you're wondering. Someone flagged for edition, but I couldn't possibly bother to edit all posts containing that word. There's no "search & replace all" for the chatroom.
It's not a problem when a curse word slips at some point (I think I used it yesterday here...) but after a while heavy repeats may bother readers.
 
Samuel should write a script... :P
 
@AndrasDeak noooooo
 
@AndrasDeak Pretty sure it's done by now
 
use the top search, plus a little jquery to grab post id's and loop
 
@KevinB Coding up one-off scripts might count as more work than should be asked of moderators. Especially considering the state of SE chat API as I remember it.
 
6:14 PM
We should check the GitHub page to see it's done
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Then it would've been better to just move the entire conversation.
And since we're bothered by that word...
Aug 25 at 16:52, by Shog9
Right. Also, they'd still get a shit reception, even if it wasn't expressed in votes. That's why I say it may be more than just words.
Aug 25 at 16:46, by Shog9
voting doesn't do shit; the problem of tone is still there, and the underlying problem gets ignored.
 
6:46 PM
@Cerbrus maybe but I wasn't going to decide where the conversation started & ended... Of course this word appears now and then. I don't really mind. But if someone flags, I have to check and take action.
 
I just think it's silly to get that worked up over the use of a specific word, while other words that mean the same thing are apparently fine
 
@Cerbrus Poopsicles.
 
yep, but those words trigger some reflex on people.
 
Don't push it, @Druckles.
 
But why arguing about this where there are more important matters right now.
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6:49 PM
Yea, sorry, but we don't have to act on every word that offends someone
We can't protect everyone, we can't please everyone.
 
I think it was more of a call to "please pay more attention to language in here" than it sounded.
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And we shouldn't have to
 
@Cerbrus if you write "shit" in a comment and someone flags it, it's auto-deleted and counts are rude for the commenter.
it's a consensus that NSFW language can't be used or at least abused.
I like using foul language myself and I'm really not offended by it, but I tend to respect rules too.
 
So just flag the chat message as R/A, and let the system deal with it.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre What if you flag yourself?
 
6:52 PM
I'm pretty sure you can't.
 
Well I did.
 
On a comment or chat message?
 
it worked. But "the system" was me in that case. It was a chat message. Probably more lax on chat.
 
Oh, yeah. You were talking about comments.
Yeah, I flagged my chat message(s).
 
in comments, the system checks for "special" words (I had "a**hole" added by Shog9 recently) and auto deletes when flagged
 
6:55 PM
The Scunthorpe problem is the unintentional blocking of websites, e-mails, forum posts or search results by a spam filter or search engine because their text contains a string of letters that appear to have an obscene or otherwise unacceptable meaning. Names, abbreviations, and technical terms are most often cited as being affected by the issue. The problem arises since computers can easily identify strings of text within a document, but interpreting words of this kind requires considerable ability to interpret a wide range of contexts, possibly across many cultures, which is an extremely difficult...
 
I'm not going to experiment flagging myself as I'm a mod so tests aren't really representative
Of course, what's cool in the mod chat room is that we can swear as much as we like.
 
Doesn't that violate CoC rules? ;-)
 
I remember being in school when the Scunthorpe problem was a big deal for the Mars Explorer because the simple-minded filters of the day removed all whitespace, and hence got marSEXplorer, and flagged all of NASA's sites as illicit material.
 
/too soon
 
Still sad about the unit conversion loss of the probe @Druckles?
 
7:02 PM
@ConspicuousCompiler Haha, we had some concurrency issues just now ;-)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'm happy to flag your stuff, just ping me whenever it's needed :-)
 
@Shog9 by chance, have you made any nice graphs demonstrating the impact of this debacle?
 
Wait, so, they're gonna send The Overflow into the blog space in the bulletin? What then is the purpose of opting in or out of the email?
 
Email is dead. Bring back the quill!
 
Fortunately Shakespeare invented the ballpoint pen.
 
7:16 PM
If you don't visit the site daily you can still read it via email
assuming they continue to feature it week after week though i'll be unsubscribing
If you're considering the Scunthorpe problem, don't forget the related Clbuttic mistake.
 
@DanNeely Haha I thought it was some dark magic at first.
 
7:48 PM
I made a chrome extension back in the day for filtering profanity in SO chat. I don't think it works anymore. I haven't had it installed in ages.
 
why
 
who, me?
 
@canon short stop
@KevinB third base
 
@Mgetz is your avatar the aperture science logo or does it just happen to look similar?
 
8:13 PM
@canon I can neither confirm nor deny
 
@canon You have to give them cake or they won't tell you.
 
8:33 PM
@Rubiksmoose I feel oddly obliged to say "but everyone knows the cake's a lie!" :)
 
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@JonClements how are you? I'm battling not to delete this account. I wish I hadn't come back onto the site. It's a truly horrible experience
 
@Yvette SSDD... you?
 
@Yvette hey now! Whatcha doin' here again? :P
 
@Andras yeah... and without scooby snacks as well... /me looks around hopefully... :p
 
typical!
 
user3956566
they removed me as RO from a room I created and are removing the comments from this room
 
user3956566
8:58 PM
@TimPost I think you need to have a look at the censorship in this room and the paired closed ROs room. Clearly I'm not allowed to have an opinion on things on meta that these people do not agree with
 
user3956566
I'm leaving. I have no stomach for any of this
 
@Yvette Maybe because you said you were leaving?
 
That's not what this is about.
 
user3956566
@ModusTollens I came back to close down accounts, because of the level of abuse under the posts.
 
Let's not drag that debate into this room, though.
 
9:01 PM
@Yvette sorry to hear all that
 
@Yvette Please see my reply in the RO room.
 
@Yvette what now? I distanced myself a long time ago; so, I've been watching this nuclear blast from safety. Were you targeted or something?
 
@canon See the "An Update to our Community and an Apology" on SE
 
@Cerbrus Thanks, I'll have a look. Information is scattered across several Q&A sets, comments, etc; so, it's been difficult to keep track of everything.
@Cerbrus I don't see any reference to Yvette on meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334248/… Maybe it's all been deleted.
oh
 
9:18 PM
Meh, better not to drag this on actually.
 
I don't know that I'm going to watch a youtube video but I dead read the updated post.
*did read (what a weird typo)
@Yvette I'm sorry if you were attacked. :/
 
9:56 PM
At this point, I would wish more people had preferred staying silent. Our lack of curation and moderation activities would have sent the message fairly well, and so many are falling to the trap of exhibiting unwelcoming behaviour themselves.
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The moment you start villainizing one side of the debate, you're becoming the thing you're so desperately fighting to get rid of.
 
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10:20 PM
@Cerbrus You're wrong. Don't pull the Nietzsche on us. If I had to choose, I'd always prefer Benjamin Sisko as a brother-in-arms. This is a battle against the high-rep providers. Loosing it would mean sacrificing all of your year-long-work. (This message can and should be quoted in proper context.)
 
Nietzsche? Benjamin Sisko? high-rep providers?
Suffice to say, I don't follow
 
ok
Nietzsche said: If you fight with monsters, dare not to become like them (bad translation).
 
Okay
 
That's what you implied in your last message.
 
It's basically the same message, yea
Now what does a star trek character have to do with that?
 
10:24 PM
Benjamin Sisko from DS9 states the opposite: "This is a call to arms." 'nuff said.
 
I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing
 
the hammiest captain since Kirk
 
This "incident" is part of a war against YOU, which I meant by high-rep-providers.
 
What does "high-rep provider" even mean?
 
^
 
10:26 PM
It simply means all SO-users that provide more answers than questions.
 
What do we have to lose by deciding not to act?
 
Yea, there's no war against answerers.
There may be a "war" against curators, depending on how you define "war"
But that's still stretching it
 
my contributions aren't gonna disappear as a result of this, neither will my reputation, or my standing among my peers... if however i decided to make my position on this "war" known, I will have soured that reputation with the half that is against me.
:shrug:
There's nothing to gain by getting involved in this.
 
@KevinB Not true
A massive headache.
:D
 
You don't get my point. It's not that I declare war. I just noticed that war has been declared on you.
 
10:31 PM
by who?
 
@zx485 by "high-rep providers"?
 
@AndrasDeak No, those are apparently the target of said war
 
Ah, so earlier "which I meant by high-rep providers" was really "by which I meant high-rep providers". Makes sense.
I was about to say "you're not even wrong" but I'll change that to "you're wrong"
 
I hope that you're gonna be right.
 
We'll be fine
 
10:32 PM
We'll see.
 
> Bob Marley- don't worry about a thing
 
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