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12:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Are "safety" and "libraries" also proper nouns in disguise? Can you link to them? — Peter Mortensen 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
I have an avatar of my friend. I told them "be there or be square". You can't assume the person in picture is the actual users behind the screen — Dharman 1 min ago
 
12:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
i never gender as it should urgently forbidden — nbk 1 min ago
 
1:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Nick: I don't think anyone has to apologize for the use of a gendered pronoun if the avatar is obvious in that regard. This specific case talks about a profile picture, which is a headshot of what's obviously a dude, stubble and all. I mean, if said user cares about not being called a "he", he'd have something about it in his profile. I mean, there's being neutral, and there's going out of the way to make a political statement. In this specific case, I think both the comment and the "neutralizing" edit were excessive. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Cerbrus In honesty I meant a token gesture of "Oh, sorry", sincere apologies only make sense IMO when there offense is caused in a situation it was more likely. — Nick 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@nbk: Wait, forbidden? You want any and all gender identity to be illegal? That's beyond absurd. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Nick: Yea, something like "Ok, I'll keep that in mind" makes more sense, imo. — Cerbrus 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
(So, to clarify, you shouldn't feel guilty for assuming a profile pic of a dude represents a dude) — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@SylvesterKruin: Any question text that's mostly or entirely filler to work around the text to code ratio restrictions gets an immediate downvote from me. Then I'll skim the question to see if there's an interesting kernel of a real question in there that's worth polishing or encouraging the querent to do something. I figure if people are intentionally defeating the system with useless filler text instead of useful relevant descriptions of what the code is supposed to be doing or how it's designed, that's pretty much a sign of bad faith or unwillingness to carry their share of the load. — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
 
1:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MatthewMartin
It is! It is a cool website with stats on package download counts, dependency graphs and more: libraries.ioMatthewMartin 1 min ago
 
2:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
@Catija As I said I'd check again later, it is currently saying "Suggested edit queue is full", queue size is reported to me as 385 (although I gather whether or not it is currently "full" is cached and recalculated less frequently): i.stack.imgur.com/QrQYG.jpgNick 31 secs ago
 
 
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3:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
What is the question here? Are you requesting to have the answer in question undeleted? — Daedalus 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Where is the code you've added coming from? From the link which leads to a 404? — Tom 51 secs ago
 
4:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
This is also covered in the MSE faq How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion? "If your post was deleted by a moderator, you can flag that post, writing a note in the "in need of moderator intervention" section explaining the situation and requesting undeletion." — Henry Ecker 45 secs ago
 
 
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6:29 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by iBug
Or just enforce "Informed" badge before asking a question - I know there will be arguments that it won't be effective, but I'd argue that it won't be ineffective, either. — iBug 8 secs ago
 
7:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Boann
If someone doesn't have the sense to copy and paste then the question is probably crap anyway. — Boann 28 secs ago
 
7:59 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Hi Hasith Yoman, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — rene 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by blackgreen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marijn
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
FYI, I just downvoted this post. Reason: it doesn't show any research effort (which would have shown you that this question/request has been asked countless times already). Another hint for you: if you hover on the downvote button, the tooltip tells you that lack of research is one of the reasons for downvoting a question; so you didn't really need me to tell you the reason. — 41686d6564 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
@skomisa - There is kind of a gray area for plagiarism with the first set of characters. Something like <18 starts to get wonky. This was "get_ret(weights)[2]", or 19 characters.. and to be honest I don't consider that to be really be plagiarism, as stated, it is just unnecessary to do that in this case, to reproduce the given answer, for the aforementioned reasons. That is what I am referring to specifically here. Now, broadly, if someone were to go cherry pick 4 or 5 lines of code from another answer, and then form their own unsourced answer from that... that would be pushing the line. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marijn
As for the answer itself: some potential reasons may be that the downvoter thinks the suggestions given in your answer are opinion-based, or that you give a link but you don't explain/summarize the information given in that link which makes it useless if the link goes dead, or that the question is opinion based and answers should be downvoted for that, or that the question and answer are about design and are off-topic for SO, or maybe they downvoted without any reason. — Marijn 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
That was my main point. Here, it was unnecessary, but in general, taking code from other answers and using it verbatim in yours... at some point it becomes plagiarism if the content copied becomes significant. — Travis J 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user16320675
if people want to explain their reason for downvoting, they can write a comment; if they don't want to explain it, an additional dialog would not change that (e.g. they could just selected any option, or enter irrelevant text) — user16320675 1 min ago
 
8:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
You should also be very wary of linking to youtube videos lest your answers be thought of as spam. If you do the things spammers do then you may get your posts treated as theirs are. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
 
9:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by emanuel sanga
Hehehe @41686d6564, I read those other posts, and was unsatisfied with the answers they provided. — emanuel sanga 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by emanuel sanga
@Marijn, the ques — emanuel sanga 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Dissatisfaction with the answers doesn't make this not a duplicate/closeworthy question. How to Ask help centerphilipxy 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by emanuel sanga
@philipxy let me close this question then — emanuel sanga 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@emanuelsanga Although many users don't like that, if you've made an honest attempt to write a good answer and you don't have a clue why it was downvoted, you could leave a comment asking (respectively) about the reason indicating that you want to learn. In my experience, many other users will be happy to give you some pointers even if they didn't downvote themselves. Just be prepared that such comments could get flagged and deleted. — 41686d6564 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by emanuel sanga
thank you @41686d6564 for this, let me delete the answer and this question as well — emanuel sanga 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by emanuel sanga
@RobertLongson, I think this is where the issue was, I provided a link to a youtube channel which explores such field in depth, hehehe I guess this is the issue — emanuel sanga 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
 
9:39 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I'm somewhat stumped by the premise that users should be educated on this in the first place. The primary input form is for text and text formatting; most of the content presented to users is text. Would means of "educating" for such a basic matter actually improve question quality, or just give a false sense of handholding? — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Nope, nothing wrong with it - just stand corrected if told the preferred one (or fall back to gender-neutral language). Never feel the need to apologize for the assumption unless it should have been clear from the context (other conversations in the same thread, posts, and such). — Oleg Valter 27 secs ago
 
9:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Ostermiller
You don't have to know anything at all to be enthusiastic. — Stephen Ostermiller 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vladimir F
My comment was deleted but I will repeat it. The comments all say waht I should do and votes punish me for what they think I do or because I am surely a bigot or who knows. This is about the rules anf the etiquette. It is about whether other users (not me) should be reminded they should not use he when mentioning a user with an obvious bloke avatar. Please do not say that I should do this or that. So what users may or may not in general. — Vladimir F 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@StephenOstermiller Someone who didn't even bother with the absolute basics doesn't seem enthusiastic to me. — MisterMiyagi 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is not in a forum
 
10:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by E_net4 is not in a forum
Votes do not "punish" you. — E_net4 is not in a forum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@VladimirF I do not think the comments refer to what you, specifically (at least mine doesn't), should do but rather signify what others feel is the correct way to proceed. As for the votes, well... 'tis the topic that strikes the bare nerve for some countries - I do not think it is possible to construct a post about such matters without causing at least some level of controversy. — Oleg Valter 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Noted - already noticed that it looked suspiciously like a copy-paste ready snippet, sorry for bothering! — Oleg Valter just now
 
10:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by justANewbie
[ Boson ] New comment posted by anastaciu
@justANewbie, thanks. — anastaciu 1 min ago
 
11:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user2357112 supports Monica
I think experienced users overestimate how obvious "post text as text" is. If it were really obvious, new users would already do it as their first instinct. There are many reasons inexperienced users would post images of text. For one, someone with decades of experience with natural language and two weeks of experience with computer languages won't realize how crucial it is to be able to exactly reproduce failing code, down to every detail of spelling and punctuation. — user2357112 supports Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user2357112 supports Monica
For another, images preserve many details of color and formatting. The details a screenshot preserves may (usually) not actually be important, but for a new user, it's nowhere near obvious that those tiny details are unimportant when so many other tiny details are utterly crucial. — user2357112 supports Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by polfosol ఠ_ఠ
Yet another case of destroying something that works and helped many people, and converting it to a useless feature. Good job! keep it going — polfosol ఠ_ఠ 43 secs ago
 
11:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
I like this canned comment(s), especially that it starts with the call to action, so it is not easily overlooked. However, do you know of a single instance where a user actually acted on it? — Peter Mortensen 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Ostermiller
@peter. Yes, there have been several instances where this comment has been effective. It would be interesting to go through the places I've used it and get some stats, but I haven't done the work to compile that. It might be hard to do, because I delete the comment if I see that the problem has been corrected. I use it both here and on Webmasters where I'm a moderator. — Stephen Ostermiller 45 secs ago
 
12:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@user3481644: Agreed. OPs ought to be given the opportunity to improve their questions before any voting (incl. close voting takes), perhaps with a timescale measured in days. The questions do not need to appear on the public Internet until after this process. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
 
12:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vladimir F
@E_net4isnotinaforum These look very much so. This is not a feature proposal where votes show disagreement with the proposal. Here it very much looks like the voters assume something about me personally. — Vladimir F 31 secs ago
 
12:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
I expect this to be status-bydesign. The "new activity" feature works by subscribing to websocket messages for a tag. The websocket subscription is rather limited and it certainly doesn't have the knowledge of what filters are applied. In this case it simply started listening for activity on the python tag, and when it receives a message it updates the banner, no matter what extra filters you applied. — rene 1 min ago
 
1:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Vladimir this is not the case - despite the official stance that the cotes of disagreement are expressed on FR posts, it is not true at all de facto. There is no need to assume anything about voters either - it might very well be that someone just did not see the issue as improtant, or just lost their keys. — Oleg Valter 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
As the person who made the comment, I feel I should make at least a comment here on why I did. Though yes, per the answer, it isnt enforced it is recommended to use gender neutral language, and thus I feel it important to remind users when they assume gender. I, also have 2 friends, one close, who both asked to be referred to "she". Though one has (for lack of better words) gone back to "he" neither have gone through any transitioning at my time of writing. As such it's something a little close to my heart, as I knew how much it upset them when people assumed their gender; especially online. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by uhoh
Are the down votes "no it is not possible: or "you should not want to know the answer to this question" or... — uhoh 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
I don't think it is such a rare error: google.com/…. So... if yours is not a duplicate, why not just go ahead and post a question? P.s. the comment was written before I clicked the link to the post — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by uhoh
@OlegValter I did, it's linked right in my question here, and it was closed. I'm trying to understand if it could have been asked in a different way such that answers would not have been prevented. Note that the problem happened from within matplotlib, a very actively supported and mature package. — uhoh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@StephenOstermiller You have to know some basics to be an enthusiast programmer. — MisterMiyagi 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Yeah, I noticed sfter posting the comment - maybe provide the code that is causing the error? Looks like a standard case of recursion run amock — Oleg Valter 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@MisterMiyagi I think you are overestimating the state of affairs these days... — Oleg Valter 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by uhoh
@OlegValter question asks "Is it uncommon for Python or Matplotlib to throw actual stack overflow errors? If so should I try to go back and figure out what happened here to document it?" — uhoh 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
I do not think "how often" is a good question direction for SO, frankly. It is likely to be closed (rightfully) as opinion-based. Maybe reframe it to be about common causes? My comment above was about addressing the closure for the lack of debugging details - if you want to frame it more generally, I think asking for causes is a better option than asking avout the frequency — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by uhoh
@OlegValter so I think you feel it is impossible to ask the question I want to ask. I think that's a good answer here and you can consider posting it as such. I don't have the debugging details, I am trying to figure out how helpful it would be to the matplotlib development community for me to go back and try to figure out what it was that I'd fixed. SO is not only for debugging errors, there are other types of questions that are more broad and have a variety of answers that are not considered opinion based by the community. — uhoh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Rauch
I would argue that questions about a stack overflow are going to be a lot like null pointer exceptions. Almost certainly very specific to the situation, and thus unlikely to make for good Q&A. But, spending time trying to build an MRE at the very least has a good chance to be educational if you have never chased a stack overflow before. — Stephen Rauch ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Larnu: Excapt on this case, when the profile picture is extremely obviously a dude, I think the comment and edit are excessive, and accusing someone of "assuming gender" is just plain wrong. "Assuming gender" implies intentionally making an assumption about an ambiguity. It implies ill intent. It's assigning guilt to someone that did nothing wrong. — Cerbrus 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I disagree, with no disrespect to my friend, I suspect you would it is "extremely obviously a dude" if you say an image of them yet you would be wrong about how they identify. Appearance <> identity @Cerbrus . — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@OlegValter I prefer to call it "being enthusiastic". — MisterMiyagi 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Plus, @Cerbrus , there are plenty of account here they use a Google image found image of a woman (and the original source can often be found easily with a reserve image search). Yes, the image is clearly a woman, but I doubt the the person on the other end of the keyboard is that woman. Why can a woman not use the image of a man in their profile picture? — Larnu 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by uhoh
@StephenRauch I'm 99% sure it was a bad value for a keyword (named) argument passed to a matplotlib method, and it looks like matplotlib then passed it to abc.py so the question is if matplotlib should have trapped it or not. I'm getting the distinct impression that my concern for matplotlib is misplaced; I solved my problem by removing the bad value for the argument, perhaps I shouldn't worry about matplotlib not trapping it? — uhoh 29 secs ago
 
2:24 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ouflak
"...users will be able to easily export all their data related to Jobs & Developer Story..." Shouldn't this already have been a feature? That would have probably set these products apart. Oh well. — ouflak 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
a minimal reproducible example needs more than only a error message only in conunction with source code it is decipherable, so the cliose votes are correct — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by uhoh
@nbk a MRE was not provided. The question is not about how to solve the problem, so it wasn't necessary. The question I am asking is *if it would be worth it to the matplotlib community for me to go back and see if I can reproduce the error so that an MRE could then be generated and a new question asked. — uhoh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Larnu If a user uses a profile picture of a man or a woman, they shouldn't make a fuss if they're referred to using he/she. Especially not if there's nothing else in their profile indicating the desired pronoun usage. Nobody is forcing you to use a gendered profile image, but if you are, then accept that people will use gendered pronouns every now and then. — Cerbrus 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
So plyoure saying that people that use this site don't agree to follow the code of conduct, @Cerbrus ..? — Larnu just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Larnu: I'm saying the whole concept of "Assuming gender" is akin to "Guilty until proven innocent". It's backwards, and especially in cases where the profile clearly indicates a gender, accusing someone of "Assuming gender" is just simply wrong. The CoC doesn't mandate the use of gender-neutral pronouns. And as the answer here clearly illustrates, the use of gendered language there wasn't wrong. There is no guilt there. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
If someone changes their profile pic to one that's obviously a chick or a dude, then, yes, they have to accept being referred to as a chick or a dude every now and then. I mean, if they'd make a problem out of that then they're just out here to cause trouble. Again, you're free to use whatever profile pic you want, but you must accept that it will be used to identify you. That's the whole point of profile pics. — Cerbrus 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Again, the CoC does not mandate it, and the FAQ explicitly states using gendered pronouns is absolutely acceptable. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
So if someone asks you to do something you'd ignore them, @Cerbrus ? You'd only do it if they say you must? That's a poor excuse. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Larnu: And of the other side of that coin you're going out of your way to force neutrality where it really isn't necessary. — Cerbrus 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
That opinion there, @Cerbrus , is why it's a problem... — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
@Larnu The only person in position to make any corrections would be the person being addressed, which wasn't you. In my eyes you were way out of line, and had it been my post I'd have reverted the edit and flagged the comment as harassment. — Dan Mašek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Larnu Wait, my opinion is a problem? I'm following SE's CoC and related FAQ on this subject. You're enforcing your opinion, while the FAQ explicitly states the original revision was okay. — Cerbrus 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Rauch
This question already has 1 pretty good answer. If you would like to provide your own, please do, but do so as an answer. — Stephen Rauch ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I have nothing to add to that answer. My comments were in response to incorrect statements in the comments. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
@user2357112supportsMonica I don't think it's so obvious, and I also think that you are wrong, there could be a gigantic flashing neon pointing to "post text as text" and it would still not be enough. folks don't read, and if they do yet encounter a hurdle (such as the mentioned too much code to post) they resort to whatever allows them to post. I would be glad to see historical evidence as to how my view here is wrong. — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Side note, @MuhammadMohsinKhan: As explained here, you weren't wrong to use "he" in the original revision of this post. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
... yeah scratch that last sentence, I don't want to offload "prove me wrong brah" unto you, I'm saying that I don't believe "obvious links to documentation would solve this problem" to be true. — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Same argument would suggest there is no reason for having screenshot tools built into IDEs, but they are in some. This is the instagram age — charlietfl 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@JörgWMittag how about the message instead of saying "there's too much code" it tells users "can you make the code less verbose" (or something) — Braiam 1 min ago
 
3:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sylvester Kruin
Regardless of what they're supposed to know, they evidently don't know it. So, unless we tell them what they're supposed to know, there's a fair chance, whatever the ideal situation is, that they won't know it. Are we willing to trust that they picked up somewhere that Stack Overflow doesn't like questions with images of code, or are we going to equip them with that knowledge ourselves? The latter way is a bit more reliable. — Sylvester Kruin 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user438383
@uhoh can you post a screenshot for us plebs with less than 10k rep? — user438383 6 secs ago
 
4:07 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier Looks like there's a word missing there... i.e. should've probably been something like "if you intend to post images of code...Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
... case in point, it appears from Tomerikoo's answer that it is actually written very clearly to copy and paste code if one is about to post an image. — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
yeah. sorry I deleted my comment, I felt it was snarkier than I'd want :) I totally agree with the wording you propose here. — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier It's OK. I edited it into the answer already ;) — Tomerikoo 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
I just received the welcome email to my new account, and I have to say I find it extremely funny that the title of that message is "Your friendly, fear-free guide to getting started" (emphasis mine) as if the company is admitting to the community's "unfriendly-scary-unwelcoming" reputation that it got... — Tomerikoo 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vladimir F
@StephenRauch I really do not understand your comment. Is it aimed to me? Are you also assuming I have some antiwhatever agenda here? I aked a question to get an answer. I got an answer and accepted it. I made no attemt to promote any sort of answer in these comments. — Vladimir F 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
@uhoh i help people with their questions , but without a mre i can't help them, your error can come from multiple possibilities and we can't guess which you have used, so closure till you can provide a mre is the only option we have — nbk 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
There is no reason whatsoever to post links to JSfiddle. Are you aware of Stack Snippets? — Tomerikoo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tomerikoo
Does this answer your question? How do I include code for JSFiddle?Tomerikoo 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@JeremyCaney if you have time and the inclination to do so, do it. Just don't expect anyone else to do it. And more importantly, there should be no rule or enforcement punishing reviewers from not doing it. — Braiam 48 secs ago
 
5:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@SylvesterKruin Let's be realistic here: If we tell them what they're supposed to know, there a fair chance, whatever the ideal situation is, that they won't know it. Actually, looking at Tomerikoo's Post, reflecting how many image-questions I see actually summarize their problem or show what they have tried – nah. Telling them is not reliable at all. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Most image-questions I see would still be nuked because people fail to provide an [mre]. Even if we could fix the symptom of code-images by writing it down nicely, it won't fix the actual issue of questions that are asked without proper consideration what volunteers need to understand the asker's problem. — MisterMiyagi 7 secs ago
 
5:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
The most upvoted questions don't change very often, really you just need to keep track of where you are in the list. — Nick 1 min ago
 
6:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MattDMo
I would actually say "copy and paste" instead of "type". I don't know how many times I've seen MREs not actually match up with posted errors, or irrelevant typos in the posted code, or the OP admits that it's not the real code that they're running, etc. Copying and pasting also preserves possible Unicode issues, tabs mixed with spaces, and other issues like that. — MattDMo 1 min ago
 
6:39 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sylvester Kruin
You're right, the code-image posts often are the low-quality ones, simply because the users don't care about posting quality questions. And hence, if the users don't care, even if we scream "visit the help center" in their face, they're not going to benefit from it, and we'll be stuck with low-quality questions regardless. So, true, not much reliability there. Those careless users are going to be the ones who see "Stack Overflow is for professional and enthusiast programmers" and read it as "EZ fix for all code" or "Beneficial Procrastination". — Sylvester Kruin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sylvester Kruin
But not everyone is going to think like you do, and see "Stack Overflow is for professional and enthusiast programmers" and read it as "Don't post images of code". So, for those people included in "not everyone", telling them gives them a better chance of understanding that we absolutely don't want images of code. Again, I'm not saying this will fix the problem (nothing will), but it increases the likelihood that more users will learn. — Sylvester Kruin 59 secs ago
 
7:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
Writing a simple user script to keep track would not be difficult or time consuming — charlietfl 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Couldn't it be provoked by squeezing the process' available RAM on, say, Linux? (Not a rhetorical question.) — Peter Mortensen 23 secs ago
 
7:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
@user2357112supportsMonica Correct. Users that know to post code as text are in the extreme minority (even among experienced devs) from my experience. At work (over the course of several jobs) I always got screenshots of errors, code, etc. I think it may literally only be people who participate in sites like SO that know to provide code as text in any form (let alone with proper formatting). I am pretty sure I learned that only from participating here, I then apply it to every other form of communication (email, IM, forums, etc.). — jrh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marijn
The guidance text "if you post images of code" should be clarified indeed, something like "do not post images of code, copy the code as text in your question instead" would already be better. There are many such examples onf unclear guidance on SE, I sometimes wonder if SE staff is just not very good at writing clearly, or if they could do it if they tried but just don't care much, or if they keeps such texts deliberately vague to give the appearance of making it easy to post. — Marijn just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
If you all want a weird tangent, I've got code in .doc files, .rtf files, images, Google docs, PDFs, videos, streams, ... but almost never real plain text unless I poke them for it. — jrh 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marijn
In SE's defense they have actually improved wording in similar cases after community feedback many times, but in a significant number of cases the wording was actually made worse or remained the same for sometimes several years, leading to continuous problems with post quality that could have been avoided. — Marijn 1 min ago
 
8:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco Bonelli
"What's even worse, because of the low rep, the system doesn't allow to post inline images so it posts it just as a link. So now not only we have a useless image of code, it is not even visible on the page..." - HOLY SMOKES, this is why I keep seeing all newbs posting links to images instead of actual images? Wow, and I thought they were just being lazy or something. Amazing. Seems like this suggestion system needs some re-design :\ — Marco Bonelli 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
I was going to suggest not clearing Stack Exchange from your browser history but there isn't a visible difference in visited and unvisited link colors. If you're able to override link colors in your browser that might still work though. — BSMP 51 secs ago
 
9:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jrh
"The problem is often finding the right opportunity" -- not to be mean or anything but I am disappointed that SO is punting on this topic. "This is collectively referred to as 'Employer Branding.'" -- isn't this a conflict of interest? It's often the stuff that goes unsaid, that an employer is ashamed of, that makes it a "not right" opportunity. e.g., is their org so stiff that you may as well need an act of Congress to get any kind of collaboration? Is their product/project management well thought out (target audiences, etc.)? Do their executives even respect software as a profession? — jrh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
"Should this question be asked on Stack Overflow" isn't a programming question, it's a question about usage of Stack Overflow itself. I agree with the answer below that a Python specific chat room would have been the best place to ask but in general "Is this a good, on-topic question" can be asked on Meta. — BSMP 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
I wrapped link inside of code block link turned into piece of code, not sure what is the point of doing it so. The site isn't asking you to format the link to JSFiddle as code, it's asking you to put the code for your question in the question itself, like in this CSS question. — BSMP just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
I will say that this question has been useful in that I didn't realize that people formatting their JSFiddle links as code might have thought that's what they were supposed to do. I always thought they were intentionally trying to get around the rule requiring the code be in the the question. — BSMP 24 secs ago
 
9:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user2357112 supports Monica
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier: I didn't say anything about "obvious links to documentation". You seem to be trying to refute an argument I never made. — user2357112 supports Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by uhoh
Thanks for your answer! I bounce between several SE sites and ask in SO much less frequently these days, partly because packages like scipy, numpy and matplotlib are so darn mature and easy to use that I don't encounter problems that could be asked about here, so I'm off in SciComp SE, Codereview and the like. So it seems your answer to this question "...is it possible to ask in some way..." your answer is probably "No, not here in SO." — uhoh 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by uhoh
Any thoughts on why this bountied question is getting silent downvotes? Could it also be of the type that is impossible to ask in SO? — uhoh 1 min ago
 
9:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
@user2357112supportsMonica I believe your words are exactly "If it were really obvious, new users would already do it as their first instinct." I maintain that no, even if it were really obvious, they would still not do it as their first instinct. — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
wait, when you say "if it were really obvious" @user2357112supportsMonica, is "it" like, would-be documentation that exists on the site or is "it" like, a general consensus that would be shared between humans that text should be posted as text? — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier 48 secs ago
 
10:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user2357112 supports Monica
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier: "It" in that sentence refers to the fact that, at least in the context of computer programming and debugging, text should almost always be posted as text. — user2357112 supports Monica 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user2357112 supports Monica
("Obvious" links to documentation don't make the linked-to information obvious, and the links themselves may not be psychologically obvious, in much the same way as banner ads get mentally filtered.) — user2357112 supports Monica 1 min ago
 
11:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier
ah, right, it seems I misunderstood, thanks @user2357112supportsMonica. yeah, I totally agree that it's not obvious for the majority of users, or I think we would not even be having this conversation. — Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
If I understand correctly both the response you've quoted and Cody Gray's answer. It seems that the appropriate review response would be "Looks OK". Given that posts enter LQA through either NAA or VLQ flags and those flags should be declined. A custom flag would have to happen outside of queue since there's no "flag" option in LQA. — Henry Ecker 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
@HenryEcker: I think that's a compelling argument. The one potential caveat—as I've been reminded a few times, and often struggle with—is that the rubrics for NAA ≠_LQA_. I.e., NAA flags should be used exclusively for the narrow criteria of non-answers, whereas reviewers are expected to exercise more judgment in reviewing LQA. Historically, I've been voting to delete duplicates—but based on both my question and now your comment, I'm definitely second-guessing that response. — Jeremy Caney 34 secs ago
 
11:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
@Braiam: For sure. I definitely see this as a "should" not a "must", along the lines of how you should edit any formatting or grammar mistakes you see when reviewing otherwise-acceptable posts. Fortunately, as noted elsewhere, these situations always necessitate custom flags, and thus shouldn't show up as review audits. — Jeremy Caney 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
This is a bit narrower than your request here in that it exclusively deals with flags that a moderator has commented on, as opposed to all flags, but there's a related feature request on Meta Stack Exchange. There's also another feature request that's a bit more comparable to what you're proposing here. Of course, all of this is seven+ years old, so I'm not anticipating any traction. — Jeremy Caney 14 secs ago
 

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