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12:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
I'm not a Python dev so I don't know if any of these libs are common/standard, but I would consider any answer which uses libs without explicitly mentioning them at least "meh" or of questionable quality. So a downvote and a comment could be the result and when the OP updates the post and mentions the lib without disclosing the affiliation, then it could result in a spam flag. But I wouldn't consider it the job of a reviewer to check every used library in a block of if it is spam, when those libs aren't mentioned anywhere else. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Ericson
@ruffin: I didn't use Indeed when I was laid off, but in fairness I don't think they'd yet hit on the idea of using pitchers as pitchmen. My point wasn't that Indeed was better at providing candidates or even any good. Instead I was hoping to communicate that 1) they're trying to get more people to use the service as applicants and 2) there are tons of job search companies these days. I also think it's hilarious that Max Scherzer was between jobs, had 30 employers knocking on his door and he picked the Mets. Maybe not the best career coach. — Jon Ericson 50 secs ago
 
 
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1:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
libraries are needed to circumvent all yourself, so if a library does as intended, i don't see the harm — nbk 1 min ago
 
1:49 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
@nbk: If that’s the case, the self-promotion rules should be revisited—which is a separate question. As it stands, however, relying on tools or libraries that you authored either without disclosure, or as a pattern that is primarily intended to popularize your work, is considered inappropriate. Such answers are regularly flagged for (and removed by) moderators when they’re linked to. So long as that stands, relying on package references offers a less-obvious back door to that policy, which I suspect many of us (including me) overlook during review. — Jeremy Caney 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
@animuson I think many users have been trained to ignore those banners. I hope I'm wrong though. — 41686d6564 1 min ago
 
 
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4:17 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by animuson
@41686d6564 Not using those banners, at least not for the dev story notices. — animuson ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
Can I ask the purpose of the last paragraph, which was added two days ago? It seems redundant with the preexisting statement, “In all other cases positive reputation is lost and negative reputation returned when a post is deleted. This includes the -1 to the downvoter as well as the -2 to the recipient of the down-vote.” Am I missing a nuance here? — Jeremy Caney 37 secs ago
 
 
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8:32 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Hi Ossama Abd, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — rene 47 secs ago
 
 
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9:37 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marceli Wac
Thanks for all the comments! I've also reported the isue via contact form on StackOverflow's contact us page and they said they will fix the issue shortly. It looks like that might be the right channel for communicating the issues related to blog for now. Obviously, those are not open for everyone to see though, which might be more problematic for duplicates. Thanks for the help though! — Marceli Wac 1 min ago
 
10:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
Your observation explains a lot of first posts. — Michael Szczesny 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Click on 'Contact Us' at page bottom & complain to SO Inc. — philipxy 35 secs ago
 
10:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mkrieger1
I don't want to complain, I want to ask what is written in the title. — mkrieger1 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
There should be a warning on the modal that is used to upload images for users with <= 15 reputation. I can't verify if that's still the case though. I somewhat like Tanner's more drastic suggestion. — Ivar 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mkrieger1
@Ivar I notice I had already upvoted Tanner's suggestion. — mkrieger1 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dean Ward
Bye bye /jobs, we had some fun times building ya <3 — Dean Ward 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@mkrieger1 philipxy laments the fact that what you wish for is out of our hands - only the company can change the tour, and the chances they will do so are pretty much non-existent (the only real way to get something changed these days is asking on the big Meta, MSO is mostly forgotten). — Oleg Valter 54 secs ago
 
11:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andras Deak
Specifically Python has a ton of functionality in the standard library (libraries that you can import without having to install anything), and a rich ecosystem of well-known, high-profile third-party libraries for all kinds of programming. Experienced python users can usually spot unusually esoteric libraries, and I would expect that these are almost never needed in an answer on Stack Overflow. But this doesn't matter too much because we don't expect reviewers to be subject matter experts, so they shouldn't have to recognise whether a given library is mainstream or not. — Andras Deak 17 secs ago
 
12:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
@JeremyCaney if he head posted a link to his site and didn't disclosure his affiliation it could be self promoting, but nothing of that case is in the example in visited and so this is a widely gray area hand has to be examined in every single case. i understand the necessaty for rules but those can only be guidelines. alink only answer is low quality and you should click on it. to see where it leqads — nbk 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
Yeah, that would kill most review queues. You are supposed to do fast spot checks to determine if the answer is relevant to the question and on the face decent quality. — Braiam 29 secs ago
 
1:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
When asking questions users are encouraged to "When appropriate, share the minimum amount of code others need to reproduce your problem (also called a minimum, reproducible example)", with a link to the definition of what an MCVE is, including "DO NOT use images of code." (emphasis not my own). IIRC new users also have a slightly different asking experience for their first couple questions, which may tell them. — Nick 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
I still wouldn't blame the site for this issue. I continue to blame the user who thinks they don't need to bother to check how the site works and how their question(s) should look like. A bit like a "you tell me when I'm wrong, so I don't need to make sure that I'm right" mentality. And instead of asking who told the user not to post images of code, I would ask myself how would someone even come up with the idea to actually do that? Where are pictures of code instead of the actual text preferred? — Tom 18 secs ago
 
1:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Donal
Seems like a bad decision. Can't imagine it costs much to leave it in place. I'd believe its costs are more than it's benefits to the company if you'd laid out some cost/revenue numbers. — Donal 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sylvester Kruin
But, if the system is telling them it's too much code, then they either need to tone down the size of their example or add a larger explanation. And "larger explanation" does not mean something like "this is text so i can post ignore it this is text so i can post ignore it", something I see sometimes. We just need more links everywhere to the How to Ask page. I kind of get tired of telling everyone to "see the help center" myself; it would be nice if the system did it. So, we should also make the Ask page itself more prominent. I think part of the problem is that new users don't even read it. — Sylvester Kruin 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sylvester Kruin
I'm not blaming the site, but the users who don't take the time to learn how to ask before asking. I'm just suggesting that we try to get users to notice the Help Center, especially those users who don't seem to pay attention to anything. — Sylvester Kruin 16 secs ago
 
2:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
How would you even know if there is an affiliation if user names don't match cross platform? — charlietfl 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@charlietfl The same way you told us that you're a single father. The profile features exist and some users actually use it. — Tom 59 secs ago
 
3:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I won't lie, common sense should dictate that an image of text that you want someone else to read, digest, copy, paste, and correct is not a good idea... — Larnu 1 min ago
 
3:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pascal Arsenal
I have and I still don't get it. — Pascal Arsenal 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J&#246;rg W Mittag
In general, I have only ever seen users do one of four things, when the system tells them there is too much code: 1) remove the formatting from the code, making it unreadable, 2) post an image or link instead, 3) remove the code completely and then get angry when told that debugging without code is impossible, 4) add random gibberish text. Not once has someone thought to reduce the size of the code or add explanatory text. — Jörg W Mittag 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonSG
Why do we allow posting urls to sites like imgur at all now that images can be directly embedded in questions? — JonSG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@JonSG And why should SO require the user to download an existing img from imgur, just to re-upload it using the upload dialog? — Tom 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonSG
@Tom The theory I read a lot is that some people sit behind corporate firewalls that block random image sites like imgur but allow sites like SO. So images here might be more visible. It also seems much less likely that images managed by SO would be deleted once a question was answered. That is just my observation though — JonSG 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@JonSG But images uploaded "here" are also hosted on imgur, so I don't quite understand how a company could block imgur, but not the images from SO also hosted on imgur. And yes I understand that there are many other image hoster and those could be blocked, but I wouldn't restrict the posters ability to provide images just because a potentially reader may use a limited/restricted/censored internet connection. The same topic also comes up from Chinese users because their government also blocks certain domains. — Tom 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@JonSG Regarding deleted images, yes that can happen, but I'm not aware that this is something that actually happens in such an amount that it would warrant such a restriction. — Tom 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SebDieBln
Could the site do like a basic OCR of an uploaded image and tell the user to post text instead of the image if the OCR finds many characters? I.e. if an image is "mostly text" then tell the user "please consider posting this as text"? — SebDieBln 1 min ago
 
4:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kos
Yeah I wonder why new users just can't read this. JeeshKos 35 secs ago
 
5:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J...
@SebDieBln Or maybe we just supply a ̶t̶r̶o̶j̶a̶n̶ helper application for new users to download which hooks their IDE, runs a basic compile, collects the stack trace, error messages, attempts to correct the problem using AI and the existing question database, generates a change report for the user, if applicable, and if nothing else works at that point then it can summarize and auto-generate a question for them... 0_o StackOverflow 2029? — J... 34 secs ago
 
 
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6:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
@charlietfl: Obviously, a determined and clever individual can find a way to mask every aspect of their affiliation. In practice, though, plenty don’t. Sometimes the names don’t match, but the avatars do, or they’re linking to a resource that was posted today. Other times, there’s no apparent association outside of a suspicious pattern of referencing an unheard of library across multiple posts. — Jeremy Caney 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by charlietfl
@JeremyCaney My higher level point is it's often not possible to make a connection and the level of sleuthing required should never be held against someone (ie in audit) — charlietfl 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Yea, this is not the place to advertise your plugin. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
I’m not sure I disagree with your conclusion, but I take issue with the reasoning in your first paragraph. We needn’t let perfect be the enemy of the good. Every check we do in the queues should apply to every post on the site. But we prioritize particular posts for review. E.g., posts from new contributors get particular scrutiny, or posts on old questions. Often, people serially promoting their library will find old questions to submit an answer to, and end up in Late Answers, at least. (Not LQA, admittedly, but I consider FA and LA natural extensions of LQA). — Jeremy Caney 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
When linking to your own site or content (or content that you are affiliated with), you must disclose your affiliation in the answer in order for it not to be considered spam. Having the same text in your username as the URL or mentioning it in your profile is not considered sufficient disclosure under Stack Exchange policy. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
As for why you should be suspicious, you would be if they linked to the library, as that’s part of the review criteria. Why should an unrecognized package reference be any different than a link? — Jeremy Caney 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex Guteniev
@Zoe, I think I just saw an example where this could happen stackoverflow.com/q/70692247/2945027Alex Guteniev 18 secs ago
 
6:49 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
Did you mean "edit the answer"? Regular users can't edit comments at all. — cigien 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skomisa
Are you suggesting possible plagiarism by the OP of the linked question in their answer? If not, it seems completely unnecessary to mention it at all, especially given the timelines of the two answers. And while there can obviously be different forms and degrees of plagiarism, I don't understand what you mean by "borderline plagiarism". What is that? — skomisa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
What exactly do you mean by "... flawed corporately moderated democracy"? All the moderators are volunteers, and so are the community members who curate the site. — cigien 48 secs ago
 
7:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
That is their email domain, but the rest of this question stands as a bug report. — Laurel 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
@charlietfl: I certainly agree with that. Fortunately, anything at this level necessitates a custom flag with further explanation, and thus shouldn’t show up as audits. — Jeremy Caney 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
@Laurel - Thx. I added the source to my question. — Michael Szczesny 1 min ago
 
 
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8:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Charlieface
@Tom Because Stack Exchange use a specific Imgur domain, which is often whitelisted or at least placed in a different category which may not be filtered — Charlieface 12 secs ago
 
9:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Deleted questions, score <= 0, contributing to the question ban: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11Zoe ♦ 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
Also relevant: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/285551/… -- and off-site MCVEs aren't okay either. Mods can't lift the ban, and based on your history, you're gonna have a hard time fixing it — Zoe ♦ 56 secs ago
 
9:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kos
 
10:09 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joehot200
@cigien I have no idea my friend, I was 14 years old when I wrote that and I`m 21 now. But yeah, I probably meant "edit the answer". — Joehot200 1 min ago
 
10:29 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SuperStormer
The issue appears to be fixed now. — SuperStormer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Looks strange that there is nothing after that "upn=" ... maybe your email client cut that off? — Tom 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Szczesny
@Tom - There are tokens after the upn=, I redacted that part before posting the image due to security concerns. — Michael Szczesny 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mkrieger1
I don't want to know why images should not be used, I want to know how new users should learn this. — mkrieger1 54 secs ago
 
11:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SebDieBln
@J... Well, that would be an interesting project. But the idea is to keep the loop tight and educate the user, not to keep the site clean. Much like the site already looks for possible duplicates when composing a question. — SebDieBln 59 secs ago
 
11:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
That topic is a real mine field, so I wouldn't suggest to assume the gender from the avatar or the name and always use gender neutral language. Some users may mention their pronouns in their profile, but I'm to lazy to check for them just to use specific pronouns. — Tom 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
IMO, No, it's not, but if they correct you, apologize and move on, there's nothing else that really needs to be said about it. Just act like a decent human. — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
That's fine. I missed that you wrote, that you redacted the token. — Tom 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vladimir F
Well, this is not really about me, I normally use the user name. — Vladimir F 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
Assumptions always run the risk of being incorrect. As long as you're not maliciously or intentionally using incorrect pronouns, and are receptive and kind if you are corrected, I don't see any real issue. — Henry Ecker 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vladimir F
@HenryEcker Please use "one uses". This is not about what I use. — Vladimir F 23 secs ago
 

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