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1:22 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Prid
I have no idea if the "rollback wars" being the cause of mklement0's ban is due to this post or not, but being given a 1 month ban over this, I would really hope that some discussion was taken place behind curtains and no compromise was able to be reached before being forced to resort to this. mklement0 is a grand asset to the powershell answering community here at SO, so this ban should be justified :) it's his style of using bullet points, and personally, they help to digest the info easier. The extra info could've easily been comments to this post, and is helpful for the full picture :) — Prid just now
 
1:51 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I think a reasonable link title could be generated (e.g. <username>'s answer to <question title>), and that this would be a net positive for the site. — Karl Knechtel 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
This is certainly not a bug, for the reason VLAZ described: the page title does not correctly describe the specific post being linked to. It may well be a reasonable feature request to do something like what @KarlKnechtel describes, where it would expand to a title that notes that it's linking to an answer (I'd upvote that feature request). — Ryan M ♦ 40 secs ago
 
2:10 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
There is formatting and syntax highlighting already. There will not be anything to run the code in browser beyond Stack Snippets - among many other problems, in many other programming languages besides JavaScript, random examples of code simply don't make any sense or do anything useful in isolation, and need to be plugged into an existing program. Anyway, if you are expecting to use Stack Overflow to obtain working code without having to think about what that code means, you are missing the point completely and also asking to get pwned. — Karl Knechtel 56 secs ago
 
 
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3:40 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
I'd first ping the user who posted such a comment suggesting they read that Meta post. While the consensus is that it's not a good idea to advise off-topic questions, it's not exactly a rule, so I think trying to get mods to forcibly get the user to stop would be a mistake. There've been a number of times I've found useful information in a comment on a closed off-topic question while trying to figure something out, even though that admittedly isn't the intent of SO. — CertainPerformance 59 secs ago
 
3:57 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user
see also library installation question meta.stackoverflow.com/q/423535/11107541user 26 secs ago
 
4:18 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
FWIW, GitLab has the second generation of their web IDE already. Both are based on other tools that were "just" integrated (well, as opposed to being made from the ground up). This is very much possible - if a site commits to it. — MisterMiyagi 31 secs ago
 
4:28 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MT1
@greg-449 sorry to tag you - please could you clear my edits on SO? I have run into the 5 edits outstanding limit but I can only see 4 and one of those is lost in the mists of time. I am learning the joy of retagging! — MT1 34 secs ago
 
 
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5:58 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by HolyBlackCat
I don't think there needs to be a zero-tolerance policy here. I don't see a problem with providing some guidance in comments in addition to voting to close. (E.g. if a user asks a debugging question without a MCVE, do you say I shouldn't give them debugging advice in comments? That would be answering an off-topic question after all. Or if a kid asks for career/life advice, why not give some minimal advice? I don't think either of those motivates them to come back with more bad questions.) — HolyBlackCat 27 secs ago
 
 
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7:53 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by greg-449
@MT1 It isn't possible for an ordinary user like me to look at edits for a specific user, the review queue decides which ones to show a reviewer. — greg-449 36 secs ago
 
8:21 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Comments can be NAA flagged? Do you mean NLN (No longer needed)? — Abdul Aziz Barkat 20 secs ago
 
9:07 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
What does the bioinformatics.SE meta say about it and did we contact the Cytoscape organization already? If so, what did they answer? — NoDataDumpNoContribution 1 min ago
 
9:49 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MT1
@greg-449 OK thx — MT1 44 secs ago
 
 
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11:09 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
My experience is that NLN comment flags have a quite high success rate. However, I agree it's unnecessary work for at least two people, if the question will be roomba'd anyway. — Karl Knechtel 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"we still have an issue with users avoiding using their privileges such as casting close votes." I tried to help. — Karl Knechtel just now
 
11:34 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@KarlKnechtel Yes, they do have high success rate. But, I would definitely decline it on an comment which provides an answer, unless the answer has already been posted or there is a link to some other Q/A which covers what answer says. There is no point in removing pieces of useful information just because question is off topic. That the whole question may be deleted at some point is another unrelated thing. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 15 secs ago
 
 
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2:04 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
@Stefan Not everything unfriendly is explicitly listed as such in the dictionary. If you want a prime example of this, consider "idiot", defined as "a stupid person or someone who is behaving in a stupid way". It's not abusive in the right context (for example, you can call a decision idiotic without that being an attack on the person making it), but if you call someone else an idiot, that's still unfriendly. "weird" is similar; the word itself isn't necessarily unfriendly, but as is the case here, the context in which it was used — Zoe is on strike ♦ just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
is what makes it unfriendly — Zoe is on strike ♦ 53 secs ago
 
2:46 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I've found it possible to add duplicates by rotating to landscape and moving the view a bit; you can then hit the button to add the dupe if you know where it is. It's still a very, very, very bad UX, though. — MisterMiyagi 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
If you have an enter key on your keyboard, clicking it while in the textfield submits the dialog as usual. You don't need the button — Zoe is on strike ♦ 1 min ago
 
3:13 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by HangarRash
To be clear, I specifically stated "comments that attempt to answer the question". By that, I mean actual answers. I am not referring to helpful comments that explain how the question is off-topic and where best to ask the question. This is about comments that would actually be posted as answers if the question was on-topic. — HangarRash 53 secs ago
 
3:34 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
@Mayken, the dupe answer claims the problem lies on an unsupported version of Safari. This does not seem to be the case here. — yivi 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
I've asked a question about this on Bioinformatics Meta. Let's see what they say. Can I ask that people here on Stack Overflow hold off on any mass closure or deletion for a few days? We might want to act differently depending upon what the Bioinformatics folks suggest we do. — Mark Amery 25 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
I am unable to duplicate this problem on an iPhone with the current version of Safari or Chrome. As such, I've closed this as a duplicate of the most probable problem. Alternately, I'm happy to close this as "Needs Details". Please provide: your actual device type, OS, OS version, browser, and browser version. — Makyen ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
@KarlKnechtel that was/is a great post. If I could, I'd upvote it again. — M-- 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
Added version details to question. Latest iPhone with latest iOS. @Makyen — yivi 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
In any case, I think we are certainly going to want to reach out to Scooter and the Cytoscape team and ask them to change their docs. Their docs currently say: StackOverflow -- Search and ask questions about software installation, operation and troubleshooting. Be sure to tag your question with "cytoscape" so we can find it!. That seems to me like it's explicitly inviting users to post installation and usage questions here with no programming element to them. — Mark Amery 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
@yivi Please provide the actual version of Safari that you are using, not just "latest". — Makyen ♦ 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
@Makyen, safari cannot be updated independently from the os in iOS. — yivi 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Basil Bourque
@Makyen Safari is bundled with iOS, and automatically updated along with iOS updates. — Basil Bourque 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
Seems to me like the community missed an opportunity to fix a problem in 2020 when this was posted. Yes, questions about Cytoscape can clearly be on-topic since it has programming interfaces. But the quoted Cytoscape docs explicitly suggest posting questions here that are about installing or using Cytoscape (i.e. that will generally have no programming element to them), and many such questions indeed exist. We probably should've asked Cytoscape to tweak their docs. This has been raised again recently; I expect this time more will happen. — Mark Amery 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
As I said, I have tested this (after this question was posted) on both Safari and Chrome on a test device, a iPhone 8 Plus with iOS 16.7.7, and it works fine. So, something is different on your devices. — Makyen ♦ 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Clockwork
@E_net4 I'll have to be honest, even if I am fully aware such comments rarely wield any result (and people expect the downvoted person is trying to react emotionally), I still like to write something like this when I do get downvoted on any SE site: " In the unlikely event that the downvoter would see this: what should I improve to make this question/answer useful?" — Clockwork 52 secs ago
 
4:03 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
@Makyen or there is something different in yours. Or you didn’t test it correctly. In any case, Safari cannot be updated independently from the device, the device if fully updated, so the dupe closure is clearly wrong. Close as unclear is you want, but frankly would also feel wrong. Do as you wish, I don’t care much. Bye! — yivi 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
@yivi You are correct, that I was unable to duplicate the issue was a failure on my part. — Makyen ♦ 25 secs ago
 
4:44 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
I really thought they had fixed this, but I haven't, now, found any indication on MSO or MSE that it was actually fixed. Unfortunately, I had fixed it locally (and hadn't disabled that fix for testing, even though I thought I had), which resulted in my mistaken belief that I wasn't able to duplicate the problem (and, I assume, my mistaken belief that it was fixed a long time ago). — Makyen ♦ 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Daniel A. White
Does this answer your question? Why is Cytoscape on topic?Daniel A. White 26 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@DanielA.White No, because this is about an overall impression formed from individual questions judged on their individual merits. The other question is about the concept behind the tag, in principle. — Karl Knechtel 23 secs ago
 
5:37 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I can edit my answer to specifically talk only about comments that answer the question, but my answer wouldn't be much different. Except that I would probably more explicitly say that flags on answers in comments is more likely to be declined. It is far better that someone posts answer in comment than full answer. And thinking that such comments would prevent people from posting off topic questions (that missed the site) is just wishful thinking. Very rare are people who intentionally post such off topic questions here. Most of them posts because they don't know other sites exist. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Typically mods/staff do not comment on suspensions. — VLAZ 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Syed M. Sannan
@VLAZ I see. I saw the other post about BalusC and the fact that the mods commented on it, but I can see that exceptions can exist in certain cases. Not sure if this should be one. — Syed M. Sannan 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
Exact reasons for a user's suspension is never made public unless the user who was suspended decides to give that information (and then the mods may then refute any inaccurate/contentious details). That the user was suspended due to plagiarism or AI content is all you need to know; those posts are most certainly deleted now, so you would be unable to access them anyway. — Thom A 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Syed M. Sannan
@ThomA Makes perfect sense. — Syed M. Sannan 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
Presumably because they posted inaccurate AI-content or plagiarism. Any further details are between VonC and the moderators. But yes, yesterday I noticed that they got suspended and that came as a surprise. — CPlus 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Syed M. Sannan
@CPlus We can't say anything for sure (at least at the moment), but it might really be someone hacking them to "get back at them" like somebody suggested within an answer to the BalusC post. Unlikely, but possible, the same way VonC posting AIGC is. — Syed M. Sannan 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
I'm not really an SME but I'd try posting the question for C++ first, if I can't use the posted answers in C I'll ask another question for C. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
9 years now, and Tim is long gone. Was this idea abandoned? — Karl Knechtel 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
As VLAZ said, we don't comment on suspensions. VonC being a high-profile user does not change this answer — Zoe is on strike ♦ 18 secs ago
 
6:20 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
If that were the case, @SyedM.Sannan , I would suspect that CM's would like have seen indicators on the account activity to denote a 3rd party accessing their account. — Thom A 49 secs ago
 
6:36 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
When a suspension of another person is asked about, as long as a moderator has seen the inquiry, there is an implicit comment that moderators feel the suspension isn't erroneous. If someone lets us know about a potentially erroneous suspension, even the suspension of another user, we are going to at least look into it and fix it if we find the suspension to be erroneous. — Makyen ♦ 32 secs ago
 
7:02 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Timur Shtatland
That’s it? That was quick! — Timur Shtatland 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by cocomac
A (diamond) mod closed this question. Let's leave it closed. Getting into a close/reopen war with a mod is not a path to you getting an answer you're happy with. You can flag the post in question if you want (with rationale), but I'd advise not discussing this particular topic on Meta (MSO / MSE) further. — cocomac 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marco
@TimurShtatland I also see a lot of toxicity in at least one moderator. — Marco 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marco
@TimurShtatland I suggest you chat in this room, it might be useful: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/197438/the-meta-roomMarco 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
Screenshot for <10k users? — CPlus 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
To be more specific: You flagged the answer asking for undeletion with the expressed reason for undeleting being solely that you wanted to give it a bounty. That, in itself, would only be a valid reason for undeleting a post if it was deleted in error or for some other inappropriate reason (e.g., such as a user rage quitting), which aren't the case here. — Makyen ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
You'll probably not be getting any more information from the moderators, it's generally not disclosed what exactly in an answer matched the heuristics for AI generated content to prevent users from bypassing those. So most you'd be getting is that the answer was judged to be atleast partly AI generated content — Abdul Aziz Barkat 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marco
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
@Clockwork As explained in my previous comment however, please assume that it may just be deleted eventually. For what it's worth, the downvoter would have already left a comment if they really had wanted to do that. — E_net4 54 secs ago
 
7:36 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
@AbdulAzizBarkat And if the answer is 'we won't say,' this would be a better dupe target. — CPlus 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@CPlus it seems that's added now to the duplicate list. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
I still disagree with the closure of this question. Here a moderator has explained why an answer was deleted, just fine. — CPlus 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
@CPlus Yeah, but OP asked about their own answer, not someone else's answer. — Zoe is on strike ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marco
I totally disagree with the closing of the question too. — Marco 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marco
I disagree with the closing of the question, what is the reason for not giving the specific reason why the user was suspended? Why keep it so secret? Stack Overflow is a community! — Marco just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe is on strike
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
@Marco Because we don't want to publicly humiliate people, while they are unable to respond. — CPlus 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marco
@CPlus I don't see any kind of humiliation in it. — Marco 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user
@Marco meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/430004/…. jean's answer post was to a question raised by the author of the deleted post — user 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marco
@Zoeisonstrike this is not enough, what is the reason for not showing the specific problem that caused the suspension? — Marco 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
@Marco But others might. So even though they broke the rules and got suspended, we respect their privacy. — CPlus 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user
@Marco comments are not for extended discussion. use chat for extended discussion. — user just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marco
@CPlus Is this a Stack Exchange rule or moderation that prevents showing the details? — Marco 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marco
The chat link has not yet appeared here. — Marco 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by cocomac
@Marco There are rules on what details mods (and CMs) can share publicly. Here is one post with info on that meta.stackexchange.com/q/293213/1081494cocomac 15 secs ago
 
8:21 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marco
@cocomac I asked if it is some SE rule or not. — Marco 1 min ago
 
8:46 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marco
@user meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/430008/…: "those posts are most certainly deleted now", it is not a claim that they were deleted, and I believe that users with high reputations and/or moderators can see deleted posts, either way it would be useful information to know the links. — Marco 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@Marco Yes, it's a general Stack Exchange rule. Mods (and staff) do not discuss why a member was suspended. See meta.stackexchange.com/q/144216/334566PM 2Ring 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marco
@PM2Ring ok, thank you very much! — Marco 38 secs ago
 
 
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11:45 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
It's semi-usable on the Samsung Internet browser, but several columns are cut off on the leftt, and so it's especially hard to see what you're doing if you need to search for a dupe. Landscape orientation doesn't help. — PM 2Ring 18 secs ago
 

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