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12:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chuck Adams
It really doesn't matter whether the wording is clarified. Banning good-faith reviewers discourages them from ever contributing again, and further degrades the quality of SO. Review is a minefield that I'm tired of trying to cross. This is a culture problem, not a technical one -- no amount of UI gimmicks are going to help this. — Chuck Adams 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chuck Adams
To me, "needs editing" means someone needs to edit it. Banning people based on some fine distinction pretty much underscores the reputation of SO as a minefield of unfriendly humorless pedantry. — Chuck Adams 1 min ago
 
12:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chuck Adams
No, but apparently hitting "needs editing" deserves bans if someone else thought it should be closed instead. The solution to that problem seems to be to skip everything, i.e. not participate. — Chuck Adams 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
I think it's a reasonable start without the automatic reopening. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
I think that last link applies here too as as a moderator the email I can see listed is the one matching the md5 hash of your gravatar. SHA1 would be b4844dafb408506cbcfbe6e91eadf519a003e626, right? — Martijn Pieters ♦ 56 secs ago
 
1:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
We can't see your flag summary (your flags are confidential) so your first link isn't visible to normal users. — Wai Ha Lee 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
Thank you, @WaiHaLee. I was curious about that, but should have verified before including it here. I've edited the post to remove that link—and fixed a typo while I was at it. — Jeremy Caney 1 min ago
 
1:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Moderators can see your flag history through that link, as you can see your own, but regular users cannot. Moderators can also find your flag history through your profile, so including the link is not essential. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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3:14 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurie Stearn
Yep, got a temp ban for a "Requires Editing." on this It was only a format edit so the code is placed in format tags. The "Edit" button suggested by @Davy M: is a good idea. — Laurie Stearn 1 min ago
 
 
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5:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
You could read the whole answer about why that first question got closed, then you will understand that the "eclipse" tag didn't cause it. And your question is also unrelated to Eclipse. — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
@Zoe The mentorship program protocol was essentially exactly the same as the normal protocol--although comments & responses were likely to happen at a faster rate--except question (down)voting was delayed. (Which is the actual change that is needed to implement "niceness".) This proposal is just the same as things are now except with easier access to more standardized & authoritative- & impersonal-seeming canned comments. Which is the next most important change needed. — philipxy 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jizhihaoSAMA
@Tom Why my question is unrelated to Eclipse?......Emmmmm,I think only when I get the right setting in eclipse,my problem will be solved. — jizhihaoSAMA 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
@Shog9 So just close while score is negative--gets to -1. They have to improve to get an answer (get upvoted & reopened), they weren't pounded by downvotes, they never have a big negative legacy to overcome. — philipxy 39 secs ago
 
6:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
This post captures the true issues behind well-meaning newcomers feeling unwelcomed by well-meaning oldtimers. — philipxy 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
With respect to the issue of other users editing kicking the question into the reopen queue, wouldn't it be better to just fix that? In other words, only have an edit from the OP kick it into the reopen queue? I do agree that this is currently a significant problem. Such edits by other users almost never make the question reopenable and always usurp the OP's one entry by edit. — Makyen 37 secs ago
 
 
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7:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
Can't read it - continuous page refreshes on my browser:( — Martin James 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick
The post is low quality, it is not very low quality — Nick 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
People reviewing incorrectly means we need lots more people to clean up after them. While we're not trying to chase them away we really don't "need them the most" while they continue to do that. — Robert Longson 1 min ago
 
 
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11:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
FYI: The SOCVR chat room is open for flag advice requests. If you post a message like Can someone help me decide if [this answer/question](url to post) is VLQ (or NAA)? the regulars are happy to help you out. — rene 20 secs ago
 
 
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12:16 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by keikai
Doesn't it seem weird? Same situation for example edit, when you have enough reputation to enter the edit review queue, you can still make countable edit for your privilege. But for flag, it comes to be a lot harder if the close not countable for it. — keikai 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by usr2564301
 
12:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Bollinger
I'm pleased to hear that, @Catija, but I hope you appreciate that the announcement reads as if all the major decisions have already been made, and the multi-phase incremental development process is primarily about delivery. A schedule is presented for developing everything described in the announcement. If that is not actually the way the announcement should be read then it would be really helpful if the announcement were rewritten to more accurately convey what is happening here. — John Bollinger 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by observer
Thanks @Martijn for your quick answer; I've written to support, let's see. — observer 24 secs ago
 
12:56 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Does this answer your question? Flag posts with security issuesBDL just now
 
1:10 PM
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1:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
@Catija When an asker is question-banned they're encouraged to fix their existing bad questions. Sometimes, instead of cleaning up the question they replace its contents with a totally different question. (I guess that's ok, unless it invalidates existing answers). I don't know how common that practice is on SO, but I see it fairly regularly on Physics.SE. — PM 2Ring 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@PM2Ring I've seen it happen. But it doesn't help them much even if they make a really good edit when the Question is at -6 (example) votes. — Scratte 57 secs ago
 
2:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by billynoah
@MartinJames - are you making a joke about my gif or is there really something causing a continuous refresh? if case of the latter, what is the "it" that you can't read? — billynoah 1 min ago
 
3:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
 
3:20 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@Makyen see my answer for a, very short, write-up on that. Feel free to share your thoughts in an edit on it. — Adriaan 1 min ago
 
3:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bwDraco
I have some serious concerns that this obsessive focus on research-based efforts to improve participation may simply be in order to look attractive to investors, by focusing on the user numbers rather than the well-being of the core community. I realize SEI needs to look attractive to investors in order to survive and grow as a business in the long term (see also meta.stackexchange.com/q/342211) but it's just as important to solicit feedback from the community and be transparent about SEI's business needs so we can play an active role in SEI's future growth. — bwDraco 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bwDraco
I have some serious concerns that this obsessive focus on research-based efforts to improve participation looks like an attempt to appear attractive to investors by focusing on user numbers rather than the well-being of the core community. I realize SEI needs to attract more investors in order to survive and grow as a business in the long term (see also meta.stackexchange.com/q/342211) but it's just as important to solicit feedback from the community and be transparent about SEI's business needs so we can actually help SEI prosper without abandoning humanity. — bwDraco 46 secs ago
 
4:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sweeper
Your point about hesitating to post questions is so relatable to me! Every time I run into a programming problem I can't solve with Google, I ask myself over and over "is this suitable for SO?" and I will only start writing the question if I'm 100% sure. And then I spend about an hour writing the question, picking all the right words, showing everything I tried, my thought process... — Sweeper 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Catija The "quite successful" metric was my own. But frankly I'd be OK with a real floor for question downvotes (sans automatic downvotes from red flags), preferably coupled with a return to 5 score for question upvotes... As for automatic deletion of closed questions, it really depends on the numbers you provide to my other questions (specifically the one about how it compares to Roomba). We already have a fairly robust automatic deletion system... but it sounds like there's a plan to create an entirely separate system based on this post. — TylerH 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Catija If your plan is really just "Roomba will have relevant deletion conditions consolidated into one: delete hidden questions after 7 days" or something, then the need is lesser. Though I would still say that downvoting should not be disabled, because people downvote for all sorts of reasons. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I do not think you will find much room for agreement with the line "new users are the problem"; Stack Overflow is a business, and the current zeitgeist of the business world is 'constant growth', even if that is really a toxic viewpoint. I think you'll have a better chance if you focus on why or in what way new users are problematic. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
I strongly agree with this. It's very rare for an edit by a user other than the OP to be able to change a question such that it's on-topic. It's even more rare for such an edit to come from a user with <3k rep. If a user with >3k rep edits such that the question is now on-topic, they should know that it's now on-topic and vote to reopen. So, the only edits by people other than the OP which make the question on-topic where the editor shouldn't be voting to reopen is when the user has <3k rep or >3k rep and has previously voted to reopen. My guess is that's a very low percentage of edits. — Makyen 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chuck Adams
@yivi Imagine someone volunteers for a meat-space organization, is asked to file things that are "red" or "purple", files something colored puce in the wrong box, and is immediately fired. — Chuck Adams 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chuck Adams
If the workflow of SO is such that it takes "a lot more work", then maybe the workflow needs improvement. Stop taking out your frustrations on well-meaning reviewers. Don't bother replying -- I'm done with SO's internal culture. — Chuck Adams 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
Hence the existence of this question. — Robert Longson 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
The problem with that view point on hesitation re: asking is that it requires high standards, and most people who are new do not have the same high standards. Because the company wants to maximize new users, that means high standards (read: "barriers to entry") are bad. We saw the ugliest form of this business viewpoint when the Meta FAQ on 'when should I post a question on Stack Overflow' was unilaterally (and without warning) hijacked/defaced by a staff member to give the complete opposite guidance from what Meta had decided upon. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
"I would consider hiding them if they have low views and a non-positive score, or if there's some (exponential?) proportion of the views to the score that they exceed." This is already implemented (almost exactly as you describe) as a metric for Roomba deletion. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by midrizi
hope this feature gets added 🤞 — midrizi 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Resetting a question score to 0 after being reopened is an interesting idea. Though OP's score as a result of the votes should remain the same (and expanding the vote should still show a full record of the votes)... which would mean up/down voters on the question pre-closure would not be able to vote up or down again post-closure. — TylerH 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I agree with Cody; if this didn't have the automatic reopening portion, it'd be a matter of just sussing out the details. But for me the automatic reopening is a non-starter that just tanks the otherwise workable portions of the proposal. — TylerH 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@Sweeper I used to do that too. But then I spent much more time finding an answer without posting either. Now I've stopped writing my Questions up, because I don't want to risk a Question ban. — Scratte 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
That could be weird, depending on the severity of the action. Good thing no one is fired here, @Chuck. Simply temporarily suspended so they can find out what they did wrong and change their course of action. — yivi 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Good thing they applied the ban then, so you could be made aware of the proper way to continue reviewing. Now that you know what's what, you'll be able to continue reviewing, surer in the knowledge that you are actually helping, and much less likely to be review suspended in the future. — yivi 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sweeper
@TylerH I can't seem to find the FAQ post that you are talking about. Link? — Sweeper 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
That would be seen as a hostile/toxic requirement by those who have no clue how the code they copied/plagged/downloaded works. Some way would be found to blame curators for it on Facepalm/Tattler. — Martin James 1 min ago
 
5:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
@TylerH That sounds good, especially considering that hidden questions will eventually be deleted. — S.S. Anne 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin James
There is little more annoying about source code than 'int a,b,c,d,i,j,k,n' followed by pointless, inane comments sprinkled about the functions:(( — Martin James 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
[ Boson ] New comment posted by poke
Since there is now some notification/follow mechanism for questions: Wouldn’t it be enough to notify the users that originally closed the question and give them the ability to instantly reopen the question (alone) if they see that an edit salvaged the question? — poke 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TamaMcGlinn
@Hans_Passant but I didn't quite care enough to learn Ruby and improve the answer properly, showing how to use libarchive for that purpose. I hope someone else will. — TamaMcGlinn 57 secs ago
 
5:38 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
The answer does answer your question. If you don't understand why it does then you need to edit your question to explain what it is about the answer that you don't understand. — Robert Longson 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Java Main
Could you advise why downvote and may be where I can get more details about my question. — Java Main 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Your question got closed correctly. It tells you why the downcast works, you just chose to ignore this information due to some assumptions you made in your code. — Tom 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
You shouldn’t be using the answer field to ask a new question on a FAQ. Just post a new question instead. Also, there’s a Help Center page on reputation. — BSMP 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
Did you notice gaining any reputation from it? — jonrsharpe 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
@poke Somewhat related, I'd like to see this suggestion implemented (TL;DR: give silver badges a reopen hammer on closed questions when edited). Some of the UX changes presented (up to the automatic reopening) seem like a great start though, but combining that with the question following, and letting silver badge holders hammer reopen when edited seems like a great idea. — Zoe 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Java Main
Up until now no .However may be because I did not do enough items ? — Java Main 40 secs ago
 
6:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
You don't get any reputation for reviewing. — BDL 25 secs ago
 
6:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
You get fancy shiny badges instead: Custodian, Reviewer and StewardScratte 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Does this answer your question? Can we earn reputation by reviewing posts?gnat 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by j08691
status-completed? — j08691 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by clovishn
Thanks, this answer will help a lot! end of post :) — clovishn 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adriaan
@Makyen if only someone with database access and affinity with the community could whip some statistics... — Adriaan 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@bwDraco recent research of SE engineering seems to indicate that Meta may have sufficient influence to make company distractive for investors. The question is, how much time it will take for top company management to realise and learn to live with that — gnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
if you click requires editing often enough the best you can get is a moderator induced review ban.... — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidW
@Dharman There's a lot of middle-ground questions though. They're complete and answerable and a valid question. Often I kind of think more research should have been put in (but maybe that's because I know the topic well). It isn't useful to me so I don't think it justifies me upvoting it, but equally if it's the answer is obvious and quick then why not give it? — DavidW 1 min ago
 
7:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I suppose my point is, let's just experiment with something instead of wringing our hands. — Makoto 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
At this point @TylerH I'd rather Stack Overflow Inc. do something rather than nothing, so phrases like "non-starter" really sour my hopes on something happening instead of nothing, y'know. I don't think that automatic reopening is appealing, either. But I believe that the reason it's in consideration is due to scale. The reality is that there are not enough people reopening questions, and it does feel a lot like stepping on someone who's already on the floor if they go through a good faith editing effort just to not be rewarded for it. — Makoto 1 min ago
 
7:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chipster
BTW, if anyone feels like commenting and telling me: should the o in the "Re-open Queue" be capitalized, or does it just look funny to me? — Chipster 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Bollinger
As I said, @TylerH, I can see how Corporate might suppose that they should minimize the barrier to entry, but that's short-sighted. It produces a worse experience for everyone, including, I'm inclined to think, Corporate. — John Bollinger 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pranav C Balan
this is really disappointing :( — Pranav C Balan 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeremy Caney
@rene: Oh, I had no idea about that! Thank you! When reviewing queues, I still skip the majority of posts because I can make arguments in either direction. Having access to those discussions would be really useful in calibrating my intuition. — Jeremy Caney 32 secs ago
 
8:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by j08691
Ten times. Ten time today so far I've gone to click the edit link only to click the share link because of the addition of the new follow link. Please move the follow link to the end of the list of existing links, after flag. — j08691 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@j08691 Noooo...!! Please don't move it to the end! Everyone that flags all the time will hit the follow instead. Move it in between the edit and the (close) flag links. — Scratte 1 min ago
 
 
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9:46 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Klas Mellbourn
As far as I can tell, currently (2020-03-29) react hooks are not available, because the latest reactjs allowed in the dropdown is 16.6.3, and hooks need 16.8. — Klas Mellbourn 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
And I disagree with "there are not enough people reopening questions". I think there are way too many questions on SO right now in an open state. An enterprising moderator could have their hands full for weeks if they spent 40 hrs/week just going through and closing/deleting bad questions. — TylerH 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Makoto Sure, I agree we should do something. It's just that we have a whole bunch of things in the "probably good ideas" pile, and we don't want to try something from the "almost definitely a bad idea" pile. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@JohnBollinger Of course, I agree. Endless growth of userbase is a toxic viewpoint. Companies should find their niche and stick to it. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
10:04 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Scratte
@philipxy In that context I feel the term irony fits to describe the downvotes :) — Scratte 27 secs ago
 
 
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11:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Bennett
I like the reframing of "closed" as "hidden". I would prefer to see a bit more "here's what we've come up with, what do you think, should we continue down this path?" and less "here's what we're going to do". — Steve Bennett 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“ When a user edits a hidden question in a substantial way, it will automatically reopen (unhide) the question and return to its pre-close, public state.” - This is a bad idea. How about just putting it into a queue to be reopened more than once? — Security Hound 1 min ago
 
11:36 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by bwDraco
Alternatively, you could just reduce the number of reopen votes required (perhaps from six to two) and bump these to the front of the reopen queue so they can be quickly vetted and reopened by the community? — bwDraco 1 min ago
 

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