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12:46 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@GeorgeStocker To be totally honest, it no longer comes across that you are engaging in good faith here, or willing to consider other points of view. I think we're done here. — Karl Knechtel 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@RyanM in the same way that "how do I write a loop to count numbers from y to x" would be a duplicate of "how do I write a loop to count numbers from 1 to x". Being able to accommodate the additional restriction is a necessary consequence of understanding the more simply stated version of the question. Aside from approaches that loop over the bits (which could pick a different start point), approaches that "directly" count bits by bit twiddling hacks could simply mask the desired part of the input first. — Karl Knechtel 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
@KarlKnechtel "... could simply mask ..." Sure. However, that may not occur to a beginner, and "Do not post answers in comments." prohibits conveying that helpful 'tip' to the OP (or anyone else, in the future, who might face a similar problem.) 'Tsyvarev's linked Q&A is full of alternative answers to its specific problem that is not the particular problem of the OP of the question I'm suggesting be re-opened. — Fe2O3 52 secs ago
 
1:14 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ry-
@RyanM: I think it is a debugging question. If the attempt and half-finished debugging details were edited out of the question, it could be reasonably answered with the code that’s currently in the question (but also with some variation of popcount(x >> i) and popcount(x << (63 - i)) for uint64_t x, which is what I was getting ready to answer with when I realized that). — Ry- ♦ 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
The question would appear to be homework or something of a similar nature; it's hardly a "real" programming question encountered when writing "real" code. — Ðаո 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
@Ðаո You've never written code that uses a collection of "flag bits" in an unsigned int, then sought to tally how many set-or-unset 'bit_flags' there are of higher and/or lower value than the current bit of interest? I wrote a card game program in which this operation was useful. Please don't judge what is "real" to others by your own selective experiences. — Fe2O3 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
stackoverflow.com/q/78286149/17592432 My mistake! Oops! Looks like I wasn't the only one breaking the rules... 4! UVs on the question, and 2 UVs for each answer. and no MRE (or whatever) in sight!!! AND, look at who posted the other answer! (Sorry, Eric, but this is the central issue of this topic being "discussed".) — Fe2O3 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@Fe2O3 make it "right" then make it fast (or ultra-efficient)—if really necessary. OP is clearly posting a "toy" or homework problem, not something "real." — Ðаո 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@Fe2O3 and...? What does that have to do with anything I wrote? — Ðаո 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
It is not breaking the rules to upvote something that others believe should be closed and/or downvoted. To be totally honest, it now comes across that you are interested in pointing out gotchas and complaining, rather than in understanding policy. — Karl Knechtel 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
2) Even ignoring that, just because a different question provides one way to solve the problem does not mean that that is the only way to solve it. As an extreme (non-programming) example, "How do I uninstall [antivirus software]?" is not "How do I reinstall Windows from scratch?", even though doing the latter will accomplish the former. There are likely ways to do the former without doing the latter, and closing as duplicate forecloses those useful answers (such as the top answer on the "count all set bits" question, which provides a loop-free approach). — Ryan M ♦ 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@KarlKnechtel By that standard, "count how many bits are set" is a duplicate of "check if a specific bit is set", because you could simply do so in a loop. That's not at all not how duplicates are supposed to work. A few reasons for that: 1) nontrivial additional work (here, the idea to use a mask) is part of the answer (it didn't occur to me, because I don't really work with bit twiddling in that way). Additionally, generating that mask is not exactly trivial; I'd need to look up how to do it, and there's probably some clever sign extension trick or something to do it efficiently. [cont'd] — Ryan M ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
@Fe2O3 Meh, people will upvote anything, don't really have to go far to find an example. A (careless woodworker's) handful of upvotes is hardly an argument. — Dan Mašek 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
You raise very good points, but ending the answer like that feels rather unsatisfying IMO. — Karl Knechtel 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Other issues with the question aside, the claim that describing an intended task is not asking a question is problematic, especially given the number of comments people post complaining about the lack of an attempt. This is a game askers cannot win: either they leave out the attempt because it's irrelevant for a how-to question, and are scolded and downvoted for that, or they post their attempt and have it cast as an bad debugging question (when they care less about debugging their own code than just solving the problem). The question is implied: "how do I do the task I just described?" — Ryan M ♦ 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Jared Smith
Me being able to find the answer to your question as fast as I type it into google search is not a reason to close it, me being able to find the answer to your question on Stack Overflow as fast I can type it into google search is. I occasionally stumble across questions that I'm shocked no dupe exists for...yet I can't find one. It happens, and as you point out it's fine. — Jared Smith 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@RyanM yet lots of people manage to ask acceptable questions every day; it’s really not all that hard, but it does require actual effort. — Ðаո 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
@KarlKnechtel If you examine the OP's sample data in that Q about scansets you will see that their data comes both with-and-without brackets. The question uses "the phrase not working" as the sample output. The correct (and admirable) answer relays, in short, "RTFM", then uses a single fabricated example (not the OP's data) to demonstrate how-to, without mentioning "how-to" make this work for input lines that do not contain square brackets... All without the expectation of an MRE for the reader to copy/paste. — Fe2O3 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@Ðаո Sorry, I'm not sure how that disagrees with anything I said. Of course people manage to ask acceptable questions. My statement is simply that a lack of a sentence ending in a question mark does not make a question any less acceptable, as long as it nonetheless clearly describes a well-scoped programming task. — Ryan M ♦ 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
To be explicit: by "ask a question" I mean "write a sentence in the body of the post (not only the title) which starts with a question word like 'why' or 'how' and ends with a ? symbol". This is not required, but it very often improves clarity. — Karl Knechtel 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"This is a game askers cannot win: either they leave out the attempt because it's irrelevant for a how-to question, and are scolded and downvoted for that, or they post their attempt and have it cast as an bad debugging question" - no, not at all. They can, and should: 1) choose whether it is a how-to question or a what's-wrong question; 2a) in the former case, give a clear specification for the expected behaviour (sufficient to cover reasonably foreseeable edge cases); 2b) in the latter case, give an MRE and a clear description of actual and expected behaviour; 3) also ask a question. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@Fe2O3 and your point is…? That there are other bad questions and answers on SO? — Ðаո 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
Trying to see this from what I gather to be your perspective, every SO answer should be replaced with "Go find and read the documentation or a textbook." That makes life simple... — Fe2O3 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"My statement is simply that a lack of a sentence ending in a question mark does not make a question any less acceptable, as long as it nonetheless clearly describes a well-scoped programming task." In that case, I don't understand the supposed dilemma. Nothing about posting a specification or an MRE prevents the inclusion of such a sentence. — Karl Knechtel 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"My question is simple and focused, being a yes/no question really: Will Metal API calls through Swift use the really extra slow Objective-C messaging behind the scenes anyway?" - then why not write it that way? "What question could be more focused than a simple yes or no question?" A question that actually is a simple yes or no, will naturally be more focused than one that merely follows from that answer. — Karl Knechtel 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"Shouldn't the duplicating be the other way around?" - no, because we can duplicate specific to general (as long as the general version still has a sensible scope), but not the other way around (an overly specific question can't possibly address all aspects of a more general one). — Karl Knechtel 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
I think this is a better fit for Discussions. — M-- 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Anyway, from looking at the duplicate links, there seems to be a clear canonical for this question and I see no reason not to just link to it directly instead. — Karl Knechtel 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
(Anyway: if you want to understand the details of a claim that someone made, it is appropriate to ask whoever made the claim.) — Karl Knechtel 22 secs ago
 
2:35 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
What is up with r/programming? A cursory glance tells it is overrun by a sort of link spam (essentially on-topic blog post marketing(?)). — Peter Mortensen 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Screenshot also maybe from the/your Answer for <10k-Users...? // The Qt itself is Low-Qlt anyway, the Title already "Another Language in X" doesn't mean much, is not even asking anything... // The whole Qt is written in a style like "Today, I went for a walk in the wood. Then a met a Unicorn... [See Photo] Then I met another Unicorn, and I still have the same trouble..." Hum, OK, care to explain...? — chivracq 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Whereas /r/learnprogramming/ has the very first two questions absolute beginners ask in abundance, before any code, "Is it too late to learn coding as a X-years-old?" (X = 15 - 100) and the '[Should I learn this or that?'. — Peter Mortensen 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
cont' - (The 15 isn't the result of imagination (though it may of course be a troll question).) — Peter Mortensen 48 secs ago
 
3:07 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by philipxy
@KarlKnechtel It's clear from their posts & comments that they want the typos. — philipxy 9 secs ago
 
 
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4:13 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Clonkex
My issues is that SO users are far too quick to close. When I ask a question on SO it's because I've already exhausted all other possibilities, and usually it's because my problem is subtly different to existing questions. Yet even when I point that out in my question, people instantly decide it must obviously be a duplicate of what I explicitly call out as not a dupe. That's my experience every time recently. It's very rarely positive. Just a whole lot of effort writing a question only to have that effort dismissed by people that didn't even take the time to understand the problem. — Clonkex 49 secs ago
 
4:23 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Nicol Bolas
@Fe2O3: "It's feels as if the MO of SO is to protect the private playground of long-time users" That makes no sense. "Long-time users" didn't get into this "private playground" by posting questions. They did it by posting answers to questions. If they were trying to preserve their status, they'd be mass downvoting answers by new users, not closing questions. — Nicol Bolas 12 secs ago
 
4:33 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@Clonkex Please read How long should we wait for a poster to clarify a question before closing?, in which the consensus answer is "zero seconds". Feel free to use Meta to dispute specific question closures, using [specific-question] [reopen-closed] tags. My experience, however, has been that the large majority of such disputed duplicate closures really are duplicates, and often are very obviously duplicates - the people asking just don't want to accept that they're responsible for extrapolating to their specific code. — Karl Knechtel 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
That said, according to the site search, it has been more than three years since a non-deleted question of yours was closed as a duplicate, and you have over a dozen questions since then, some of which were quite well received. So I really can't see what you're complaining about. — Karl Knechtel 25 secs ago
 
4:47 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
@NicolBolas Recently an answer by a hi-rep user was "accepted" and had 3x UVs before I could message the user to point out that their answer (a calculation) gave incorrect results... "The Alliance" had come through for the user without critical assessment of the answer... As you well know, a rep=100 newbie pays 1% of their rep to DV a question. A rep=100K long-time user pays .001% of their rep to DV a question... "Good answers", by hi-rep users, given to crap questions still attract a collection of UVs... It's an imperfect system, but there you have it... — Fe2O3 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Nicol Bolas
@Fe2O3: "As you well know, a rep=100 newbie pays 1% of their rep to DV a question." Nobody pays any rep to downvote a question. You only lose rep from downvoting an answer. In any case, I don't know why you use a term like "The Alliance". If you're going to go full-on conspiracy theorist, why not call them "Wealthy Elites" or "The Cabal", something that has some history to it? "The Alliance" is a lame name for your imagined enemy. — Nicol Bolas 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
And in general if someone says X is faster and doesn't show benchmarks and the methodology behind the benchmarks, they might as well be telling you the moon is made of green cheese. — user4581301 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
If you wanted to ask on Stack Overflow, use Stack Overflow. (If you get a message that says you are not allowed to post there, please read the link in that message). You may not bring a programming question here in order to work around a question ban, because you are being ignored on Stack Overflow, or for any other reason. This place is for asking about Stack Overflow itself. — Karl Knechtel 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
@NicolBolas "If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, ..." Steadfast denial is ... unbecoming... — Fe2O3 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Nicol Bolas
@Fe2O3: Everything looks and quacks like a duck to a conspiracy theorist. Three people can't make a mistake; it must be a conspiracy. But I'll let them know at the next Alliance meeting. — Nicol Bolas 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
@NicolBolas Please bring along this week-and-a-half old question: stackoverflow.com/q/78286149/17592432 Two fresh DV's on the Q today (having mentioned it here on Meta, 1 fresh DV on my A, and ... wait for it ... 0 DVs for the answer given by the hi-rep user even though that answer disregards the absence of an MRE and wanders off to use its own data example while disregarding the OP's provided data examples... Quack, quack... — Fe2O3 25 secs ago
 
5:54 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"The full working code you find in this JSFiddle." - please don't do this. Instead, use a Stack Snippet. Aside from that, I don't think the typos there are nearly as bad as you claim. — Karl Knechtel 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
If you specifically want the moderators to do something it is better to raise a flag rather than post it on Meta (The other users here can't do what you're requesting). — Abdul Aziz Barkat 40 secs ago
 
6:22 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Elikill58
It could be closed as need more focus (you asked 5 differents questions), but also as opinion based... — Elikill58 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by blackgreen
the bounty message seems understandable enough, where are the typos? — blackgreen ♦ 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@blackgreen I guess the "top" should be "to" and by "thetas" they mean "the toast" — Abdul Aziz Barkat 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by derpirscher
You might have enabled some settings for visually impaired users — derpirscher 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Are you using some extensions / browser specific settings? The first image looks like dark mode with high contrast enabled but the colors look different from what they actually should be. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 14 secs ago
 
7:07 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
"Why should I help close "bad" questions that I think are valid, instead of helping the OP with an answer?" Just as a comment: it could actually be that some people think that a question is salvageable and others who don't. In this case, some friction occurs by some trying to answer while others trying to keep others from answering. The problem seems to be in the design of StackOverflow. Maybe the designers had an idea what should really happen in these edge cases. Or is it simply unavoidable when humans are in the loop, that some kind of at least partly chaotic behavior occurs? — NoDataDumpNoContribution 51 secs ago
 
7:56 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Justine Krejcha
@KarlKnechtel I think telling people to "use meta for this" is quite ignorant that reopen votes by in large don't happen. Closing a question basically kills it for good. I think it is telling that especially when you get into more specific (importantly not "too localized") issues, there is a high tendency for questions to be erroneously closed by people who even admittedly know nothing about what the question even is (and those questions are clearly useful as they show up pretty highly in Google thankfully). — Justine Krejcha 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cuzy
I'm assuming that these answers have "historic value", considering they've been upvoted a lot plus its evident they're using it on purpose to prove their point. What decides whether a post is Ai or not is also not publicly shared so people can't adjust their posts accordingly to hide the fact they used AI. — Cuzy 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Justine Krejcha
It's fun to pretend like closing in error isn't a thing that happens a lot, but it is incredibly clear that it happens incredibly often and telling people to post on meta is quite ignorant to what the user experience of this site actually is. — Justine Krejcha 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Justine Krejcha
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Pretty sure the exception is only because these were the first such answers on Meta. All further attempts (a lot in the same Q&A) have been removed. — VLAZ 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lino
Fun is not per se banned on meta. So that's why these two answers stayed on the site. — Lino 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@JustineKrejcha there have been quite a few questions that get reopened due to posts on Meta (The fact that these posts might cause the meta effect is another matter). — Abdul Aziz Barkat 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@nbk I explained why it was closed: "In its current state, the question is unclear and rather poorly written."Cerbrus 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Justine Krejcha
@AbdulAzizBarkat It is incredibly rare. Part of that might be the UI (from screenshots of closed questions I've seen there's no "think this is wrong? ask about it on meta" or something like that) but I think fundamentally people don't care to reopen posts (I'd wager very few people have done "tag cleanup for reopening). And the fact is people VTC without even reading the question. — Justine Krejcha 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by BDL
Maybe a language barrier, but calling someone a malefactor is not the nicest thing to do... — BDL 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
Your question is still there, and the "malefactors" did not implement that redirect (that's automagic). As for your edit, you didn't submit your question to the review queue )as shown in the timeline) when you made it, so it's not being considered for reopening. If you think you've made appropriate edits to a question that it should be considered for your reopening, you need to tick the box labelled "This edit resolves the original close reason and the question should be considered for reopening." — Thom A 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
Technically, you can report "malefactors" to moderators by flagging posts or comments. Particularly the ones where they are not following the Code of Conduct. But the case in point does not seem a case where the users were actually breaking the rules. — yivi 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@JustineKrejcha reopening from Meta isn't "incredibly rare" a bit uncommon but it does happen. "fundamentally people don't care to reopen posts" Most of the people casting the close votes aren't actually searching old questions to close, closure usually happens either through: Users browsing the active questions, close vote review queue, SOCVR. In comparision happening upon reopenable questions by browsing the active questions has a lower probability, it would be difficult to create tools to search for reopenable questions (SOCVR has tools for the opposite)... — Abdul Aziz Barkat 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
IMO the problem with reopening is really the site UX + reopen votes queue, 1. The Sites UX fails to surface to the users the effective route to getting their posts reopened. 2. The review queues fail to attract the appropriate users for review. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
IMO the problem with reopening is really the site UX + reopen votes queue, 1. The Sites UX fails to surface to the users the effective route to getting their posts reopened. 2. The review queues fail to attract the appropriate users for review. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by BDL
The answer in the linked duplicate seems to support ops view that memory pages aren't cleared on shutdown, but only when the page is allocated again. So I'm not sure if op is really the one who has an incorrect memory model in mind. — BDL 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
That's not quite how I read that. Especially the first line: "Windows does "scrub" the freed memory returned by a process before allocating it to other processes. There is a kernel thread specifically for this task alone." So, if a process is terminated, the allocated memory is scrubbed. — Cerbrus 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Justine Krejcha
We can discuss why this is the case all day long but reopening really is pretty rare in the grand scheme of things, especially for older questions. This isn't really controversial either; it's a pretty well known fact. — Justine Krejcha 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by BDL
The point is that it only guarantees that the memory is "scrub" before it gets allocated again. The kernel thread might run at any point after freeing the memory and before allocating it again. There is a potential attack vector when the machine goes into hibernate before the "scrub" has happened, because the uncleared memory could (theoretically) be read from the disk. Op specifically wants a way to guarantee that memory is "scrub" when the application exits. — BDL 2 mins ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Justine Krejcha
Perhaps in this specific case it is, but for what the question is asking, what the Windows operating system does seems to be not really relevant (you can run WinForms on other platforms with varying degrees of success) — Justine Krejcha 3 mins ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
@ThomasAnderson it was always there. The timeline I linked shows it has never been deleted. Perhaps you browsed to the question as an unauthenticated user, so the redirect kicked in, as it doesn't kick in (yet) for authenticated users (even my 1 rep account can see your question without the redirect). — Thom A 4 mins ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thomas Anderson
@Thom The question was not "there" a few minutes ago. They restored it just now. — Thomas Anderson 5 mins ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Daniel F
@philipxy The impeccable grammar and formatting of the mea culpa post really clashes with the last line, eh? — Daniel F 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by BDL
The point is that it only guarantees that the memory is "scrub" before it gets allocated again. The kernel thread might run at any point after freeing the memory and before allocating it again. There is a potential attack vector when the machine goes into hibernate before the "scrub" has happened, because the uncleared memory could (theoretically) be read from the disk. Op specifically wants a way to guarantee that memory is "scrub" when the application exits. — BDL 3 mins ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Justine Krejcha
Perhaps in this specific case it is, but for what the question is asking, what the Windows operating system does seems to be not really relevant (you can run WinForms on other platforms with varying degrees of success) — Justine Krejcha 4 mins ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
@ThomasAnderson it was always there. The timeline I linked shows it has never been deleted. Perhaps you browsed to the question as an unauthenticated user, so the redirect kicked in, as it doesn't kick in (yet) for authenticated users (even my 1 rep account can see your question without the redirect). — Thom A 5 mins ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thomas Anderson
@Thom The question was not "there" a few minutes ago. They restored it just now. — Thomas Anderson 6 mins ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thomas Anderson
@Cerbrus The duplicate explains that Windows does not clear memory right after the application exits. Moreover, the duplicate suggests that it is the application's job to erase its own sensitive memory. But the duplicate does not say how to that in .NET. My question was about .NET, not C++. You are, however, making an incorrect assumption about how memory works in .NET - can you prove that my assumptions are incorrect? — Thomas Anderson 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Justine Krejcha
It's also worth noting that SecureString, like a commenter suggested, is deprecated and doesn't provide any benefitJustine Krejcha 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Look, If the dupe target indeed doesn't answer your question, then that question should just be re-opened. I might well be wrong in my interpretation. The discussion of these technical details about .NET is off-topic here, and should really happen on the question itself. But to attribute it all to malice and "closing just for fun" is simply wrong. — Cerbrus 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@JustineKrejcha SecureString is not officially deprecated. It may be less secure than intended, but let's be accurate: That's a Roslyn analyzer's explanation. — Cerbrus 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by BDL
@Cerbrus: Totally agree, ops accusations are not ok. And yes, the question only needs reopening. But it is your answer that states that the duplicate is fine and that op is making incorrect assumptions although both is (imho) not the case. — BDL 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thomas Anderson
@Thom Right. They made my question invisible to everybody who is not logged in to the site. — Thomas Anderson 25 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
They didn't, @ThomasAnderson , that's how the site works. — Thom A 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by tripleee
One of the reasons some regulars don't open the reopen queue is that it is a royal waste of time. The vast majority of reopen votes come from users who don't understand how the site works, and relatively often apparently from users who vote to reopen their own closed question without having made any changes to it. — tripleee 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Justine Krejcha
Fair enough; it may be that it's not officially deprecated per se but the API docs have a giant sign that says quite explicitly "don't use this" — Justine Krejcha 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@JustineKrejcha where? I can't find that... Can you link to it? — Cerbrus 26 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@BDL I've edited my answer to provide a more neutral stance on the duplicate closure. I could well be wrong in my understanding of the subject matter. — Cerbrus 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Justine Krejcha
@Cerbus: Remarks section -> "Supplemental API remarks for SecureString". Admittedly, it's not a well placed sign. — Justine Krejcha 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Justine Krejcha
(Ultimately, any answer to the linked question is going to be off the beaten path somewhat; SecureZeroMemory/whatever other platform API (memset_explicit?) is trivial for unmanaged code but may be kinda messy when interacting with managed code.) — Justine Krejcha 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
this search is more likely to return potential duplicates: stackoverflow.com/search?q=%5Bc%23%5D+SecureZeroMemoryrene 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thomas Anderson
@Thom Well, the malefactors used a site's feature to make harm to me. It's like when someone pins you with a knife and when you complain they say: "It's just how knifes work: they cut. If you do not like that knifes cut then you should raise this issue with knife manufacturers". — Thomas Anderson 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@ThomasAnderson please drop this "malefactors" rethoric. It's unconstructive, and it's not helping you. — Cerbrus 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
The analogy makes no sense, and clinging to hyperbole just to argue "I think my question was wrongly closed as a duplicate" doesn't make you any favors. — yivi 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@VLAZ TBH, I don't see the logic in accounting the age of the answer for deciding whether it's against the rules. Some highly voted old questions in the main site is deleted, because they have become offtopic today(and probably was offtopic before too). But, if mods say that's the only or one of the factors and that it is important to take the age of the question into account, I'll take their word for it. — TheMaster 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Please stop with calling people "malefactors", who did "evil deeds" and so on. Normal users have used their normal user privileges as they thought was appropriate. Trying to ascribe malice to them doesn't really win you either sympathy. The sooner you stop maligning others, the better. You are being harmful to others, and it seems you are against people being "malefactors", so lead by example. — VLAZ 35 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@TheMaster historical locks exist even on main. They have for years. Leaving something which is off-topic but well received has been done for over a decade. — VLAZ 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
@ThomasAnderson if you are going to continue to effectively call these users criminals, I am not going to engage. — Thom A 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dharman
You don't need to ask questions. There are other ways you can contribute to Stack Overflow. Please remember that this is not some kind of help desk. — Dharman ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thomas Anderson
Form Webster: malefactor - one who does ill toward another I do not see how it is impolite to call an evildoer out. They definitely did not try to help. They closed and hid my question so that I could not get help from others. — Thomas Anderson 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“need some upvotes on my question to un ban me from questioning” - None, of your questions that have not been deleted, can be upvoted. So you are left with asking one question every 6 months that can be. Your question ban is a direct result of asking a several questions and them being deleted either by your own actions because they received downvotes or because they became eligible to be deleted because of downvotes. — Security Hound 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TheMaster
In other words, if the purpose is "fun" and it is in "meta" and if it is one of the first few(age), it is allowed, even if it breaks some rules in the process. Is that correct? — TheMaster 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
No. There's not a single hard rule about "fun". This is judged on a case-by-case basis. And frankly, it's incredibly presumptuous to flag answers that old, with that many upvotes, and expect them to be deleted. — Cerbrus 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
"What question could be more focused than a simple yes or no question" - what would be the point if this was a simple yes or no question. Someone answers "no". Not useful. The actual useful thing would be to know why not given that you found documentation which would dispute this no. Or "yes" - also not useful. If you don't want to trust the documentation so you ask here about it, you'd want some proof. No. This is not a yes or no question at all. At least not from the perspective of making this question actually useful. Something Stack Overflow is pretty picky about. — Gimby 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TheMaster
The problem isn't that it is or isn't "fun" or whether "fun" is allowed. The problem is if that "fun" breaks the rule(even the rule explicitly mentioned in the question), should a exception be made, if so, on what factors - on the age and that it is just "fun"? It's not presumptuous to think Meta which makes the rules should follow them even if it goes against their "fun" - Shouldn't Meta lead by example? "We hate fun" and we do remove "fun" content as noise in the main site. Isn't it hypocritical for me to link to that question to a new user, while the top answer explicitly breaks it? — TheMaster 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
It's presumptuous to think you know better than the moderator who locked those answers, all the other moderators who deleted other AI answers, and the thousands of users that upvoted those 2 answers. You're asking for a black-and-white interpretation of the rules. That's unrealistic. — Cerbrus 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Where there are rules, there will be exceptions. These 2 answers are an exception. That's not hypocritical. That's life, that's community, that's culture. — Cerbrus 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TheMaster
I'm asking the criteria for such exception. I'm asking for uniform impartial implementation of such exception. "Fun" clearly broke the rules. It is "black" and there's no question about it. You can't judge one way for one scenario and another way for the same scenario. Exception was made. You're saying "fun" and "age" were the reasons for this difference. Though I don't like it, if that's the official public policy made transparent by moderators, I'll accept it. — TheMaster 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
Purpose of the answers was not merely fun, but also proving the point that AI should not be allowed on Stack Overflow. Those answers also satisfy one important requirement attribution. They explicitly quote AI generated content. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@TheMaster Again, there's no "set in stone" criteria. "This is judged on a case-by-case basis." This isn't "official policy" that you can then apply to other answers. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TheMaster
@DalijaPrasnikar Good point. I can see at least one of those answers making the sarcastic point that it answers both ways and that it shouldn't be trusted. In that case, I think removing "comedic/ironic purposes" would be better. — TheMaster 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wraiford
@Richard their hate is not blind, as their feelings are based on many life experiences and reflect their current state in life. No need to judge it, but it's good that you point out the hate aspect. For better or worse, SO is what it is in terms of ultimately an RTFM culture. The interesting bit is that people continually say what "the community" says, but the dynamic created with hate is that "the community" largely remains silent because it is not worth the inevitable downvotes and accompanied vitriol to say anything - inevitable outcome of a non-sovereign, naively gamefied feedback system. — wraiford 12 secs ago
 
11:21 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cuzy
I don't think the typos are a problem since the second word is explained in the brackets, but it sure would be nice to edit the message ("thetas" threw me off lol). — Cuzy 11 secs ago
 
11:40 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by philipxy
@DanielF I didn't need to reach the last line & I did further research. — philipxy 51 secs ago
 
 
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12:43 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
The question is OK, it just needed a little bit of critical clarification which was not forthcoming from the OP. And I suspect that if the clarification would've been provided then the question would've been closed as a duplicate, which is an expected and not-at-all-bad outcome. — President James K. Polk 40 secs ago
 
12:55 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
Since this question and 3 of your answers on SO look to be using Gen AI my thought is that only having a question restriction is getting off easy. — President James K. Polk 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
In context, those answers were appropriate and illustrative of the topic. We don't worship rules, the rules were created to serve our ends, not the other way around. — President James K. Polk 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
It should be perfectly normal that for novices Stack Overflow is pretty much read-only, it is a natural side effect of how the site operates and its current maturity. That is one of the things that makes the site hard to understand. Things really are very different now than how things were in 2008. Not only the rules have changed a lot, but its also... filled. We have come to a point where IF the site keeps being used as originally intended, your question belongs in another castle. Because this castle already has the answer tucked away somewhere. And that hurts if your mission is ad income. — Gimby 33 secs ago
 
1:25 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
"However, if you post an answer that solves a question and is useful for the community from now on, should at least the two points bonus be awarded?". I take it you also believe that kids should get rewards just for participating :) Because that is what this is. I self-answered, I deserve a cookie! No you don't, that's just chemical signals being sent to your brain by a sugar-addicted body. — Gimby 47 secs ago
 
1:42 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
I think the problem with the (hypothetical) notion of welcoming all questions is that it diminishes the ability to find answers through search. I don't want to have to ask a question to get an answer, I want to type something into a search engine and get a few links that will answer my question. Having the same old questions asked and answered repeated will make finding answers through search more difficult. — snakecharmerb 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
"Shouldn't the duplicating be the other way around?" - in general, dupes should lead you to the best answer. Not the oldest answer. In other words: you need to think about it. — Gimby 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gimby
Well? What is the question? — Gimby 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MrStranger
What's the benefit of Stack overflow if I can't ask questions ? — MrStranger 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fastnlight
Meta Stack Overflow is different from Stack Overflow. This is Meta, where we report issues, make feature requests, and talk about Stack Overflow. Actual programming questions should be asked on the main site. — Fastnlight 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rewa
@Gimby Hello i am trying to extract the webhook that trriggerd the pipeline since azure send this info in the runtime parameter in json format i want to retrieve the name [i want to retrieve this from the runtime parameters] [1]: i.stack.imgur.com/3aRps.pngrewa 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Parrotmaster
For the purpose of being a "database of knowledge", SO is probably the worst format to do it with. This website is actually better at being a tech support platform, even with the current rules on asking questions. — Parrotmaster 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
Please don't post your question on Meta just because you didn't get an answer yet. See: My question never got answered. What can I do? Plus it has only been an hour since you asked the question. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rewa
@Fastnlight okey thank u — rewa 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by snakecharmerb
A best of both worlds would be if low-quality/repeated stuff could be automatically deleted regularly - a more aggressive roomba, if you like - somehow without deleting high quality posts in low-traffic tags, or rare but valuable corner cases. But I don't see how that can be done without more human curation, of which we do not have a surplus. — snakecharmerb 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@Parrotmaster that's mostly because SE now has other priorities. — Ðаո 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@snakecharmerb there is a nearly limitless number of ways to increase "human curation;" the problem isn't a lack of willing humans, it's that this isn't a priority for SE. — Ðаո 58 secs ago
 
2:13 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Gravell
I also think it should be made clearer that you have to be editing your post for the edit link to show (although I guess that makes sense, it didn't occur to me thus I found myself here...) — Dan Gravell 17 secs ago
 
2:40 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M. Justin
Might just be pedantry, but your conclusion sentence: "So suggesting that we should encourage even lower question quality by just answering everything or leaving it for others to answer is... unhelpful." I think suggesting that was actively helpful, since it leads to well-thought out conversations about why we should or shouldn't do that (such as your own answer to this question). This in turn leads to community consensus and to well-reasoned explanations we can point people to in the future. — M. Justin 9 secs ago
 
3:10 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
Bounties are like advertisement: success is in no way guaranteed. If the question gets no views, it means there are experts browsing the relevant tags and clicking in your question. You may want to try out a question title more like "Trying to open a block device on a FUSE file system. You won't believe what happens next" /s — yivi 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by J-Cake
Clickbait - I like it :D bet I'd get banned in a jiffy — J-Cake 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by matt
In my view the bar to asking questions has already been lowered drastically over the last five years or so, and should in fact be raised. We shouldn't be spending so much time swatting away the dross. — matt just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
There are 143 bountied questions right now, so no you're not in the top 100. — jonrsharpe 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by J-Cake
But this doesn't explain why I didn't see it in the list of bountied questions. Are they sorted by tag-popularity or something? — J-Cake 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Can you reproduce this in an incognito tab? Or in a different browser? (Not sure why you'd even install edge on an iPad) — Cerbrus 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
Users looking to answer questions browse them by tags. I don't think anybody looks at the unfiltered bountied question list for anything useful. — yivi 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by J-Cake
Should I make alter my tags list to be deliberately less specific? This seems like an anti-pattern on SO to me — J-Cake 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
Now your question got some additional attention (look up the "meta effect"). I'm sorry, but it does not look like the additional scrutiny bode well for the question. I have no idea if the question deserves the downvotes that it has gotten since. — yivi 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by J-Cake
As I mentioned, I think it's a very good question. Frankly this shows my frustration - instead of any activity on the question which is beneficial to me, it's all just downvotes. But I must admit, part of the reason I linked it is to drive traffic - so I guess it worked — J-Cake 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Jon Skeet
"Closed" doesn't mean "flushed down the toilet". It just means it needs to be reopened before it can be answered. Was anything preventing you from editing the question in a way that would clarify why it's not a duplicate? — Jon Skeet just now
 
3:49 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
"But if there are no new questions, there are no new answers to write, either." -- Great, we've accomplished our goal and can move on to other endeavours (although to be honest, there's still be a good decade worth of curation just to clean up the existing mess). We don't need to trash the years of work building the repository, just to keep some people entertained. — Dan Mašek 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ouflak
@MrStranger, You could provide answers.... I recommend following the sites quality guidelines on those as well however. — ouflak 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
"Would the community as a whole profit from questions being littered with justifications on why it's not a duplicate of this and that?" Thus you're answer is "yes"?! — user1785730 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
I've just received a downvote on a different question I've asked a few days ago. Perhaps a revenge downvote for asking this question? — user1785730 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Jon Skeet
I wouldn't call it "littering" - I'd call it "clarifying". If it's not obvious to readers that it's not a duplicate without that clarification, it seems reasonable to provide that clarification... and I believe it would make the question and the site as a whole better. — Jon Skeet 49 secs ago
 
4:06 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
Well, I've edited my question. Lets see what happens. I don't have high hopes, but I want to be sure to have done everything I can. — user1785730 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
"There is no indication, that anybody ever considered it." Likely because no one has; reopening isn't an immediate process, and normally takes several days. You can, however, ping the close voter when they do it unilaterally in the comments. Many "gold badgers" are more than happy to reopen a question they closed as a duplicate, if the user can adequately evidence why it is not a duplicate. — Thom A 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
And the question linked to this very question here on meta is certainly related, but did not ask to never close questions without providing a chance for feedback. To have this question here closed as well is obviously an attempt to suppress this discussion. — user1785730 59 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
In the timeline, @user1785730 . — Thom A 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
@ThomA: I don't know who the close voter is. How can I see that? — user1785730 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
I am sympathetic in general to the complaints here (I won't comment on the specific Android question). @JonSkeet gives the community's standard position but I have never believed in it. When I see wrong dupe closures, it's almost always already so clear the questions aren't dupes that you can't "clarify" it save by writing "EDIT: This is not a duplicate of [totally different question] because they are totally different questions." which is irrelevant noise that causes more negative reactions. And I've literally never seen a question I cared about get reopened without the help of Meta. — Mark Amery 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Don't several of the answers answer how to 'achieve this with the MenuHost / MenuProvider infrastructure"? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
@KevinB: the question was edited, I just rolled that back. I hope it's clearer this way. And no, the answers in the supposed duplicate do not address manipulating menu items not provided by this MenuProvider. — user1785730 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
As for this Meta question, it might've been useful if written with more scrupulosity and less pique. If you are sure these questions aren't duplicates, it would've helped to include some detailed analysis in your Meta question of how the questions differ, how they overlap, and why the dupe target simply isn't useful to you given your distinct question. Absent that, I suspect readers on Meta have simply seen a complaint about your feelings being hurt with no argument for why you're actually right on the technical point, and written you off as having no legitimate complaint worth listening to. — Mark Amery 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I'm not sure that question is a good fit for SO to be honest. For people to debug this it would need something to actually debug, but your entire FUSE code should be way too large (i.e. very unlikely to be an MRE). And providing a general infodump about EPERM for FUSE does not seem particularly focused, either. — MisterMiyagi 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
seems sensible to me. Yes, the output is garbage but so is the input. The result is that the good closing tag closes the bad opening tag. The <a/> is self-closed. So, essentially the content is <a> bad <a></a> <a> good </a>VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
@MarkAmery: I've now provided that argument in the original question. This question here on meta is about not to close questions without providing a chance for feedback; to which I've yet to get a response. — user1785730 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I would further remove the "side question", and any commentary that can be seen as inflamatory toward others "This question obviously asks something very different." Instead of using your question to dispute the duplicate, your question should simply not be a duplicate by having text/words describing your problem, not specifically differentiating it from a question it is no longer closed as a duplicate of. — Kevin B 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@KevinB That's the catch-22, though, isn't it? We insist that askers edit their questions to clarify why they are not duplicates, but we also say this shouldn't take the form of an argumentative section in the post itself outlining specifically why the question is not a duplicate. But what is an asker supposed to do when they simply already think it's clear that the questions aren't duplicates and think that adding such an argumentative section is literally the only thing they can do to try to "clarify" the point - as IMO is almost always the case? — Mark Amery 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@MarkAmery We do insist they edit their questions to not be a duplicate, that doesn't mean adding a sentence saying "this isn't a duplicate" — Kevin B 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
@KevinB: This is was precisely to point I was trying to make. I think my question was clear in it its original form for someone investing more that five seconds to read it. I now feel my question to be littered with justifications that distract from the question itself. But according to what I've learned here, this is the way its supposed to be. — user1785730 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@MarkAmery this sentence I wrote is a sentence that I have written. It is a catch-22 if you find it's not useful. How would you know if it's a sentence if I don't say so? — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@KevinB But the whole concept of "editing the question to not be a duplicate" presumes that it was previously a duplicate, or at least that it wasn't clearly a non-duplicate. It's an instruction that only makes sense in the case where the asker genuinely made some mistake in the framing of their original question that made it a duplicate, which they can now correct, yet it's the instruction we give specifically to people who claim their question was clearly not a duplicate in the first place. — Mark Amery 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@MarkAmery I don't understand what problem you are arguing against. I provided actionable feedback that would make the question more clear/answerable. — Kevin B 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@user1785730 the basic problem is that there is far too much noise on SO; (quickly) closing questions is one way to manage some of it. SE doesn't give us a lot of other tools. — Ðаո 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Islam Hassan
"Most if not all of the good questions have been answered. No one should be asking new questions; they should be finding their answer (and their question!) on the site already." Most? Yes, at least for popular languages and frameworks (like Java and Spring) which I work with. All? Not even close even in the popular ones. And yes, people should search first. If the answer is there, why repeat the question. I have asked less than 10 questions here but how many did I have during my education and 5-year career and found already answered? I'm sure at least hundreds and that's good! — Islam Hassan 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
@Ðаո not being a moderator I don't know. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe without the collateral damage of an unjust slap in the face every once in a while it wouldn't be possible to manage this site. I still don't like it though. — user1785730 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@KevinB Besides the advice to remove everything they've already added to try to clarify why their question isn't a dupe, I don't really see anything actionable. I certainly don't see any specific misinterpretation you've suggested is possible or a way to remedy it. All your feedback - and all the site's and community's feedback around wrong dupe closures in general - presumes the asker did something wrong, rather than the close-voter, and tells them to fix it. But that's simply not actionable at all if they think they didn't do anything wrong in the first place that they could now fix! — Mark Amery 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@MarkAmery If one person can "misinterpret" the question and think it's a duplicate, someone else can. There's no harm in making improvements to prevent that in the future. 9 times out of 10 the op is wrong and it actually is a duplicate. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@MrStranger You can read existing questions and their answers. Many questions for even moderately established technology should be answered already. — MisterMiyagi 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@user1785730 that's exactly what it is: there's far too much noise on SO. The only way to even try to stay in front of it is to ruthlessly employ the few available tools. That's unlikely to change as it would seem SE has priorities other than "curation." — Ðаո 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
@KevinB For all we know that one person may not even have read the question beyond a 5-second skim. Again, I am not commenting on the specifics of this case because I don't know Android development, but it is frequently blatantly obvious that questions closed as dupes are not dupes and I don't take as given that they have even been fully read before being closed. In such cases, there is harm (besides merely being pointless) in adding extra content just to try to clarify a point that's already obvious to anyone who reads the whole question: it's noise for future readers to wade through. — Mark Amery 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by &#208;аո
@MarkAmery at this point in time, if you think you have an original question in a highly-followed tag, you need to strongly make that case at the very beginning. — Ðаո 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Amery
And user1785730 has been clear that this is what he believes to be the case here. He doesn't think the close-voter even read his question, because he insists that if they had done, it would have been totally obvious it was a non-dupe. This assessment is not automatically unreasonable! I see closures like that all the time! He furthermore insists he cannot see any way to try to clarify the question that wouldn't simply add pointless noise and make the question worse. Also not automatically unreasonable! I see questions like that all the time too! So what, concretely, is he meant to do? — Mark Amery 57 secs ago
 
5:06 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user625488
@Karl Knechtel I can't imagine the really knowledgeable and highly qualified users answering hundreds of questions just for rep. I imagine they occasionally want to take a break, or find something interesting to answer. In this scenario, they will most likely happily skim through some bad questions - the more so since what seems bad questions to SO moderators doesn't seem so to many other people (or else we wouldn't have this discussion). I'd also trust such users' judgement about a question being worth answering more than someone's judgement who hasn't bothered or wasn't able to answer. — user625488 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by zcoop98
It's strange to me why the invalid markup doesn't just get stripped out; I'd expect the same as you outlined: the broken tag to get stripped, but the final one to be fine! — zcoop98 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by J-Cake
@MisterMiyagi Thanks. That's good advice. How would you suggest I proceed? — J-Cake 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@user625488 All I can tell you is that I constantly run into users whose behaviour I cannot explain any other way. — Karl Knechtel 18 secs ago
 
5:37 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user625488
@Bergi that's IMO not a dumb question at all - C++ is one of the very few languages still widely used where function arguments evaluation order is undefined. It is IMO definitely useful to have a SO result which saves many learners or not yet very skilled C++ programmers potentially days of research. — user625488 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Lundin "many canonicals don't give the complete answer in a single post but you have to puzzle it all together from multiple answers" which is a failure because some users believe that once the author have submitted an answer no one can edit it. Solve that and we solve that problem. — Braiam 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Braiam
"googling their error message before posting yet another question about file permissions or whatever" and that's why I hate the generic error messages that are presented to users (not just programmers), because they will find stuff that will very likely not help them. — Braiam 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by General Grievance
Can I include volumes too, or is that a separate post? — General Grievance 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"So what happens is that you have a bunch of expert answerers hungrily waiting for nice, new questions to answer" - well that really cuts to the core of it, doesn't it? There are more than 3 million unanswered, unclosed questions on the site, going all the way back to 2008. Some of them even have thousands of views already. If these experts are only happy with new questions, then that, too, is not and never has been what Stack Overflow is about. — Karl Knechtel 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
The <a/> is stripped out leaving us with nested anchor tags, and one unclosed one. The browser / renderer makes of it what it can. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I don't really consider this a bug Stack Overflow should solve given the markup provided was invalid from the start. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Bergi
@user625488 Yeah I should've written "basic" not "dumb" — Bergi 53 secs ago
 
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