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6:03 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@JaredSmith IMX, in the common case, the dupe does exist. You just can't find it, because of all the other terrible questions that should be closed as dupes of it. (Although sometimes, even if you magically had access to a list of all those questions, it wouldn't be reasonable to pick out one as the best target.) Plus all the other terrible questions that use a bunch of similar words, but are actually about something completely different. — Karl Knechtel 43 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"To me it felt like a slap in the face to [have someone show up voluntarily and promptly, and spend time and effort to look up and direct me to a link that said individual believed would answer my question]". Really? — Karl Knechtel 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"This question here on meta is about not to close questions without providing a chance for feedback; to which I've yet to get a response." - because that's not how it works, and not how it will work, by design. The entire point of closing the question is that you give feedback after the closure to explain why it should be reopened. It is essential to the proper operation of the site that questions that should be closed, get closed as quickly as possible. — Karl Knechtel 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
From comments on the question: "@Thom A: Sorry, I had to remove the edit because it altered the meaning." I looked at Thom's edits. If you sincerely believe that those "altered the meaning", then I quite frankly don't know what to tell you. — Karl Knechtel 25 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ðаո
SO is not, and never has been, a "Q/A site." — Ðаո 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"The question linked as a duplicate asked how to provide a menu from a fragment now that said methods are deprecated." - okay, but that does not explain your objection. Concretely, why do answers to that question, fail to answer your question? — Karl Knechtel 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
Bringing attention to your question, such as putting a bounty on it, posting about it on meta, linking in on the platform formally known as Twitter, etc, doesn't mean that those who's attention you gain will all be "positive" (for lack of a better word), @J-Cake . Much like as advertisment can give good and bad PR. — Thom A 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
@triplee Long time ago that I looked at the reopen queue, but when I looked last time there was like approximately every tenth question in this queue that should be opened again (but none to only a few ever got). It simply didn't work well. I know it's only a minority of cases but still some errors have been made there. We can as well switch queues off, when they are not working. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"What's the benefit of Stack overflow if I can't ask questions ?" - Really? Here's a hint: there are currently more than three times as many existing questions on Stack Overflow, as there are articles on Wikipedia. Do you consider Wikipedia similarly useless because they won't let you make an article about your pet rat? — Karl Knechtel 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
@KarlKnechtel unfortunately my question got edited repeatedly and my objection is not as precise anymore as it was. I want to manipulate already existing menu items, not provide new ones. None of the answers to the now removed supposed duplicate deal with manipulating existing menu items. — user1785730 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ðаո
@user1785730 questions getting closed (quickly) on a highly-followed tag means SO is "working" exactly as designed. — Ðаո 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
@Braiam On the other hand, once you edit answers, people including the original author come and roll back your edits because they believe their supplied content is theirs still, not the one of the network. I fully agree with you, but the solution seems so far away and the current rule-set so stuck in a local optimum, there is little hope this can be solved any time soon. — NoDataDumpNoContribution just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"This question obviously asks something very different. Simply read the title." is not an acceptable way to clarify the difference. "I want to manipulate already existing menu items, not provide new ones." Please use actual words to this effect in the body of the question, then. — Karl Knechtel 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ðаո
@KarlKnechtel I think it is "extremely rude" to make a comment and then walk away. — Ðаո 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
@KarlKnechtel "Please use actual words to this effect in the body of the question" - I maintain that I did so in the original question. The headline, the first line of the body, and, perhaps most importantly, the quoted code snippet clearly stated my intent. My only explanation that this question was mistaken for "how to provide an menu in a fragment" is that someone just read "onCreateOptionsMenu deprecated" and looked no further. — user1785730 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
So that we're clear: the issue is that the specific method named onCreateOptionsMenu is deprecated right? That's the specific reason, according to your analysis, that you are running into difficulty (I assume, a deprecation warning) with your approach to disabling the R.id.unwanted_item when the menu is created? And it has nothing to do with menu.findItem, or with the setVisible method of the result? Therefore, if you knew how to arrange for the latter code to happen at the right time, avoiding deprecation, the problem would be solved? — Karl Knechtel 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
What I understood from the answers on the proposed duplicate, is that you should create and add a MenuProvider, or extend from that, such that you can do things in its onCreateMenu event instead. Did you try setting this up, and putting the menu item disabling code in there? Does that solve the problem? If yes, it's a clear duplicate. — Karl Knechtel 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
(Which is to say: in this case, the other question is "how do I arrange for things to happen when the menu is created without using the old API?", and your question is also "how do I arrange for things to happen when the menu is created without using the old API?" It doesn't actually matter what things you want to arrange, because you already know how to do them, and because the technique for setting up the timing is completely independent of those things.) — Karl Knechtel 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
@KarlKnechtel Wrong. The issue is not that onCreateOptionsMenu is now deprecated. I never had that in my code and never saw the deprecation warning. I was looking for how to manipulate the menu based on the fragment I'm currently in. Found that exact same question being asked before (linked by myself in the first line of the body). However, the accepted answer depends on now deprecated methods. My question therefore is: how to do it now with the new infrastucture? — user1785730 just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
@KarlKnechtel Wrong. The issue is not that onCreateOptionsMenu is now deprecated. I never had that in my code and never saw the deprecation warning. I was looking for how to manipulate the menu based on the fragment I'm currently in. Found that exact same question being asked before (linked by myself in the first line of the body). However, the accepted answer depends on now deprecated methods. My question therefore is: how to do it now with the new infrastucture? — user1785730 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
I've already addressed this in the edit to my question: A MenuProvider is supposed to provide a menu. Perhaps it would work to have it manipulate other items, but I feel thats a hack and not clean code. — user1785730 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"The issue is not that onCreateOptionsMenu is now deprecated." - then why did you write "However, onCreateOptionsMenu is now deprecated (as well as onPrepareOptionsMenu)."? "I never had [onCreateOptionsMenu] in my code" - then why does your code example start with public void onCreateOptionsMenu(Menu menu, MenuInflater inflater) {, and call super.onCreateOptionsMenu(menu, inflater);? — Karl Knechtel 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
@KarlKnechtel seriously? As I said, I've quoted that piece of code from the answer I've linked. Is this really something that unbelievable? — user1785730 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ðаո
@user1785730 the point to all of this is that is the responsibility of the person asking the question to be sure the question is clear (a [mre] can often go a long ways here), this is especially important in highly-followed tags. — Ðаո 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
@Dan I maintain that all this was clear from the beginning. However, it seems that I need to guard my questions to survive trigger-happy-close-voters who invest no more than five seconds into reading my question and therefore deprive themeselve of the chance of actually grasping what I'm asking. I will certainly invest some thinking in how to achieve this. But right from the start I have a feeling that this will not lead to better questions serving the community in years to come. — user1785730 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ðаո
@user1785730 as I've already told you, the reason for the "trigger-happy" VTCs is that there is simply too much noise on SO, especially in highly-watched tags. Most people know that an actual new question is somewhat unlikely and thus quickly VTC. Oh, and nobody really cares what you're asking; they care whether it is a well-asked question. — Ðаո 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Jared Smith
Part of the dupe thing, for me and I think a lot of others, is proof-of-work: the thought crosses my mind that if the dupe is hard for me to find, well, I can hardly blame the OP for not being able to find it either. That doesn't stop me from closing it if/when I find the proper target, but I interact with those a little differently than I do yet-another-question-where-the-op-forgot-about-google. — Jared Smith 33 secs ago
 
7:33 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
Perhaps part of the problem is the expectation of "high quality As" for "high quality Qs". There are bountiful examples of much praised (UV'd) answers that are nothing more than cut/paste copies from "The Specification" or "man pages". Such questions should have been closed as their resolution clearly demonstrates the "asker" did not do sufficient research themselves (i.e. RTFM). What incentivises "experts" to post copy/paste answers to "haven't read the book" questions? — Fe2O3 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Steve Summit
@Ðаո I know what you mean, but I'm afraid that's a dwindling minority viewpoint, and increasingly irrelevant. It seems to me that the vast majority of participants treat it as a Q/A site, and have done so for some years. — Steve Summit 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ðаո
@SteveSummit or not ... see stackoverflow.com/tourÐаո 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ðаո
@Fe2O3 UVs (and DVs and VTCs) are primarily a way to run the site and encourage participation; they don't necessarily represent "much praise." — Ðаո 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
@Ðаո Instead of reacting to my "characterisation" phrasing, would you care to respond to "the sentence ending with a question mark" in my recent comment? — Fe2O3 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ðаո
@Fe2O3 There are bountiful examples of much praised (UV'd) answers that are little more than cut/paste copies from "The Specification" or "man pages". Such questions should have been closed ... UVs (and DVs and VTCs) are primarily a way to run the site—the gamification encourages participation; they don't necessarily represent "much praise." — Ðаո 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by jwallis
The bookmark icon is subtle. There is one under the "downvote" (downward arrow) button for each question and each answer. — jwallis 7 secs ago
 
8:07 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Volumes 2: Electric Burningoo — VLAZ 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Fe2O3
@Ðаո "...don't necessarily represent..." (Selective attention to a passage is a game two can play.) If accumulation of "rep" is unimportant, it would make sense to remove "rep" from public display so it cannot be seen by any participants. Perhaps even suppress "account name" so that Qs & As appear as "Questioner" and "Respondent #1" and so on... Eliminate the attraction of "personal reputation" so that the playing field is level for all participants. (Still unaddressed: What incentivises "experts" to post copy/paste answers to "haven't read the book" questions?) — Fe2O3 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@KarlKnechtel You got me. Once I read your post equivocating MS Paint and a RDBMS, I lost that hope that you were arguing in good faith. — George Stocker 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ðаո
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"As I said, I've quoted that piece of code from the answer I've linked." - Right; and the point of your question is to update that code in light of the deprecation, yes? Well, it doesn't actually matter that this isn't your code or that you haven't integrated it yet; the question is about how to update it - and as far as I can tell, that question is quite well answered by the proposed duplicate. — Karl Knechtel 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
We don't really deal in the aesthetics of code, but I can't understand the objection anyway - the MenuProvider provides a callback for what happens when the menu is created (i.e. provided). So how is it any different to use that callback to disable a menu item (when that is conceptually part of the process of figuring out the desired initial state of the menu), versus what the deprecated-API version of the code already does? — Karl Knechtel 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sam Thomas
@derpirscher is this an SO setting? It doesn’t seem to affect other websites. How can I turn that off? — Sam Thomas 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sam Thomas
@AbdulAzizBarkat browser is set to use the system theme, which is dark mode. That’s about it. No extensions, — Sam Thomas 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sam Thomas
@Cerbrus yes the effect persists on incognito tabs. It renders fine on safari. I use edge because everything syncs across all devices, and is more memory efficient version of chrome. — Sam Thomas 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dharman
Since they're big, it's probably better to keep them separated — Dharman ♦ 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
@KarlKnechtel That is a valid point. But I think by now we are deep enough into my question that even you should be able to admit that it deserves its own answer. Specifically however, apart from the now deprecated onCreateOptionsMenu method, there is another now deprecated method onPrepareOptionsMenu, also providing access to the menu. This I think would be a clear point to manipulate the menu without violating any expectation of what should happen here according to the naming. — user1785730 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1785730
I wish there was an equally clear entry point with the new infrastructure. Maybe there is and I have missed it? — user1785730 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
That question has one (down)vote, worrying about a single vote on a question is likely of little gain. A "better" example would be one like this one, which has not been well received. — Thom A 30 secs ago
 
8:58 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
The question with both answers, for reference. stackoverflow.com/questions/30610523/…yivi 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
Doesn't look anything like what you wrote. More than one person can find the documentation of that function, being first doesn't give you any sort of a claim IMHO. — Dan Mašek 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by David Thielen
To add to my frustration, there's a down vote on this question here - with no comment as to why. How on earth can I learn if even asking for guidance is voted down? — David Thielen 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
There's also 3 upvotes with no explanation; why arent you complaining about those..? — Thom A 56 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Talha Tayyab
I thought if some person edit their answer and include an answer which is already present then they have to give a reference to that answer. I just want to know if its OK without the reference? — Talha Tayyab 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by David Thielen
@ThomA Because the upvotes leave the question live so hopefully others will provide guidance. I'd prefer they gave me guidance, but leaving it up is helpful. The downvote is saying, as I read it, that I shouldn't be asking for guidance. — David Thielen 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
I'd say there's insufficient evidence to prove that it was copied from your post. — Dan Mašek just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
Apart from the name of the method, which is just plain factual content, they don't seem to have any of the same content as your answer (which is all copied from MDN without appropriate block quote formatting, a much likelier case for plagiarism). — jonrsharpe 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Talha Tayyab
I appreciate y'll. I will delete this question. — Talha Tayyab 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Talha Tayyab
hmm... you guys are right, I was just thinking about it.. — Talha Tayyab 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
If this question is actually about your proposal to require feedback and therefore not a duplicate of the other Meta question, it should be tagged [feature-request]. But I can guarantee you that would get declined just like all the requests for mandatory feedback on downvotes (I wouldn't be surprised if there's one for this already as well). — John Montgomery 27 secs ago
 
9:41 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Anon Coward
I've not voted on any post of yours in recent memory, I'll just say: Some people on SO have experienced the fun of being retaliated against for describing why they thought a downvote was necessary. You may not do that, but I've learned the very hard way to never ever mention why I've downvoted something. — Anon Coward 8 secs ago
 
10:07 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by David Thielen
@AnonCoward I'm sure that happens at times. The few times I've downvoted (1 - 2 times/year) I've commented and never had a bad reply. But yes I understand your point. — David Thielen 39 secs ago
 
10:55 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by kesarling He-Him
@Khelwood, thank you for the edit, but "slight in understanding" is what I was going for. :) — kesarling He-Him 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
Asking how something could be implemented.... it's too broad and subjective. It seems your post could use a bit more focus. Since it also sounds a bit like a debugging/optimization help question, providing a [mcve] of the code you have currently and a description where it falls short of what you want to do could/would be an improvement. — Drew Reese 14 secs ago
 
11:07 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Thom A: Re "formally known as Twitter": I like it. — Peter Mortensen 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
Why not just delete it instead? That'll be its ultimate fate when the Roomba gets to it anyway. That said, IMO the important part of the not reproducible/typo close reason is the "less likely to help future readers" part, unless it's a misconception that other people are likely to have. — John Montgomery just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by kesarling He-Him
I tried deleting it. It appears that the question has 1 UV and 1 DV and if I delete it, my rep remains as if it weren't deleted (+8). That doesn't seem right... — kesarling He-Him 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by David Thielen
@DrewReese That's a good point. I didn't discuss approaches because everything I could think of I disliked. But that meant, as you said, it was broad. Very specific problem, but totally open solution space. Interesting postscript. I came up with a clean simple solution - and it was nothing like anything I would have talked about when I posted the question. Anyways, thanks for the advice. — David Thielen 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "a slight in understanding?": Do you mean "a slight misunderstanding?"Peter Mortensen 25 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by kesarling He-Him
no, slight is a synonym of mistake. So slight in understanding is same as misunderstanding. In the phrase "slight misunderstanding", slight is used to mean "little" and not "mistake". — kesarling He-Him 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@kesarlingHe-Him Sometimes it takes time for rep to get recalculated. In any case, I'm not sure why that would prevent you from deleting it. — John Montgomery 44 secs ago
 
11:49 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by khelwood
"slight" is not a synonym of mistake in any usage I've ever heard. — khelwood 35 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by andrewJames
Minor point: "slight is a synonym of mistake" - not according to Merriam-Webster. Some people may find this question's title slightly confusing, for that reason (hence the attempts to suggest changes). I propose "a mistaken understanding" instead. — andrewJames 49 secs ago
 
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