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10:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@TylerH strongly disagree WRT formatting error messages. There is extremely well established precedent for formatting them like code, which makes them look like they do in the terminal. There are several environments that attempt to take advantage of the entire error message being monospaced - in particular, Python 3.10 and up will show code in a traceback and attempt to highlight part of the line by "underlining" it with ^ symbols on the next line. Before that, it would still use a single ^ to try to "point at" a spot in the line. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Also WRT Python, it is very common to show examples as a REPL session, in which case an exception might be intermingled with code, and lines of code may be prefixed with >>> and ... . Trying to reformat that according to your proposal would be a lot of work for, in my view, a net loss in clarity. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
eh, there's absolutely been more unified responses to past actions by the company — Kevin B 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Voigt
@TylerH: No, it is not about stopping nefarious activity in the outside world, it is about preventing/mitigating/minimizing the susceptibility of moderation inside Stack Overflow to false outside information. — Ben Voigt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@KarlKnechtel Error messages, in general, are not code; they are prose, so they should not be tagged with code backticks. I and many others have been revising posts and passing guidance this way for years on the site. In some cases there are error messages that do contain code or that are only ever shown in a code environment; as my comment above mentioned, such cases can and should include code backticks around them. — TylerH 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I've lost count of the times that OP tried to format a Python stack trace as a block quote and made an unreadable mess out of it. When this happens, it is tedious-to-nearly-impossible to recover the intended appearance. — Karl Knechtel 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
In response to your specific example, stack traces (in any language) are usually an exception to the "use block quote formatting for error messages". But the vast majority of error messages are not stack traces. In fact I would argue that stack traces are not actually error messages, but more akin to logs. — TylerH 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"In some cases there are error messages that do contain code or that are only ever shown in a code environment" - Unless the error was in a modal dialog created by an IDE or a JavaScript alert, I fail to see how that ever isn't the case. — Karl Knechtel 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@BenVoigt That's already the expectation for any report to moderators: that it is based on truthful information. — TylerH 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"But the vast majority of error messages are not stack traces. In fact I would argue that stack traces are not actually error messages, but more akin to logs." I genuinely can't even imagine an example of what you have in mind. But even when the problem actually is being exhibited with an unexpected log message, rather than an error per se - it is still common for log messages to be deliberately formatted with the assumption that they will be displayed in a monospace font, i.e., using fixed-width "columns". — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Voigt
@TylerH: That would be problematic if the moderators blindly trust the outside source. (And that trust sets up the exact opposite of your previous comment "SO has never really set policy or created site features that were contingent upon any particular behavior in the outside world"). Even in the case where the flagger is honestly repeating (but not verifying) the information they found. — Ben Voigt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Phil
New post summary designs on site home pages and greatest hits now; everywhere else eventually currently sitting at +71 / -724. It's the 3rd lowest rated of all time and the lowest for any cosmetic change post — Phil 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blue Robin
I edited the question to include the implied statements. I also followed the advice of MisterMiyagi. Is the post good now? Thanks! This was a good learning experience. — Blue Robin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
I don't think there's any "blind trust" going on... heck, even the CMs when we get these escalations don't take the mods on faith. I investigate every single one I get as if no one else has looked at it and if I'm confused about why the mod's requesting it, I have the space to ask for more details or just push back... people can definitely make mistakes but that's why the system is designed to be easy to fix when mistakes happen. — Catija ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Voigt
@Catija: Gentle reminder that the two-way conversation that exists between mod and CM doesn't exist earlier in the process. Which is why the written guidance should raise the point. — Ben Voigt 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
There is a two-way conversation between the mods and the person whose posts are deleted, though - mods send them a mod message, which the user can respond to. Your answer here seems to be concerned that content may be deleted incorrectly and I feel like both the mods and I have confirm that the onus is on the mod to confirm the SO post is newer when deleting it. Even if we told flaggers in help documents to look out for this, what would doing so change? Mods would still have to review and confirm. — Catija ♦ 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
We used to have easy migration paths to other exchange sites. Most of these were removed at the request of the folks who frequent these other sites because of the glut of crap we sent them. If you're not a regular participant at a site you're recommending an asker self-migrate to, you probably shouldn't be sending folks there. — user4581301 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gre_gor
I don't think commas are supposed to be at the end of those rules. — gre_gor 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I added another edit to improve formatting and streamline things - and, again, since now I understand that the problem is with the first embed, we shouldn't have the code to create the second, so I removed that too. As for the question: I see many other similar questions that might be duplicates, but yours is now higher quality, if anything. On the other hand, it doesn't seem like there should actually be a reproducible problem; other questions seem to show people successfully using a string as a channel ID for bot.get_channel. — Karl Knechtel 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Still unclear to me (not being quite familiar with the API): when you use this command, does the user have to type in the channel ID as part of the command? If not, where does it come from? If so, can you be sure you didn't just typo it when testing the first time? — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Voigt
@Catija: Flaggers would be more likely to put archive.org links in flags (or wikipedia history links) instead of direct links. And some wrong accusations might be figured out before flagging and never reach the mods. What fraction of Stack Overflow users do you think are actually aware that authors retain copyright to their posts on SO and are free to copy them elsewhere? — Ben Voigt 37 secs ago
 
10:47 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JK.
Karl, I've been noticing your very strong treatment of bad questions lately. Well done, keep up the good work. — JK. 1 min ago
 
11:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blue Robin
The user does have to type the channel ID with the command, but I didn't have any checks in place. I do know it wasn't a typo because I copy pasted it multiple times and it consistently gave me the error. When I wrote this question, I didn't know about higher-level parameters and making the user put in a certain type with the parameter. That's what I would do nowadays, but before I just worked with certain IDs. So, the parameter would be channel: discord.Option(discord.TextChannel) (If I knew back then). — Blue Robin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JK.
Karl, I've been noticing your very strong treatment of bad questions lately. Well done, keep up the good work. — JK. 28 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blue Robin
The user does have to type the channel ID with the command, but I didn't have any checks in place. I do know it wasn't a typo because I copy pasted it multiple times and it consistently gave me the error. When I wrote this question, I didn't know about higher-level parameters and making the user put in a certain type with the parameter. That's what I would do nowadays, but before I just worked with certain IDs. So, the parameter would be channel: discord.Option(discord.TextChannel) (If I knew back then). — Blue Robin 7 mins ago
 
11:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Any chance "one day" you might correct the ugly Typo/Grammar Horror in the 1st Sentence (in the @description Tag)...? (=> "updates that make**[s]**") I still have v1.26 of your Script (running on FF55 + GM v4.1, from around 2017, I think, as the Script doesn't contain any Dates/Changelog) and that "Ugliness" was already there and has never been corrected... => in v3.0.2 hopefully...? :wink: (+ Calling everything "new" doesn't really make sense, from a Coding point of view, if Versions and/or Dates are not mentioned... Could check the 'Meta' Thread for each, but that's a bit tedious...) — chivracq 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "And those copies may not be truthful about the date/time they appeared.": Yes, that is a risk. E.g., it is easy to do WordPress. But it still requires effort. Most plagiarisers are much more concerned with minimum effort rather than detection of their misdeeds. — Peter Mortensen 27 secs ago
 
11:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
@Catija: "think they may be the same person, it's not plagiarism": Often the plagiarism has taken place on another site. E.g., they have wholesale copied some older blog post to their Medium account. An example. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JamesT
Yeah I have run into the same issue so would be nice to answer it @RenatoC.Francisco haha, I asked my Q on Meta.SE and got linked to this question: meta.stackexchange.com/q/387793/1258746JamesT 18 secs ago
 
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