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12:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Starshipisgoforlaunch I didn't propose an arbitrary time limit. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Starship is go for launch
They aren't the exact thing, I just said I agree with you. I did add other stuff @VLAZ — Starship is go for launch 1 min ago
 
12:16 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"Why does this site not have dark mode?" ... it has, check you settings under "preferences". Or do you mean Meta? — Tom 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
@YaakovEllis "but it's obvious that only a subject matter familiar/expert can review it properly" The implication being that SG is not sufficient review. — philipxy 1 min ago
 
12:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cottontail
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kylaaa
@VLAZ, that sounds like a good path forward in my opinion. If you want to write that as an answer I'll accept it, unless an alternative is proposed. — Kylaaa 59 secs ago
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Deleted questions, score <= 0, contributing to the question ban: 1 2 3 4 5 6Samuel Liew ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
I have a userscript too: Stack Exchange Dark Mode - works on main, meta sites, blog, chat, and SEDE. — Samuel Liew ♦ 50 secs ago
 
1:38 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Sites do not block DarkReader. You might have added the main domain to the list of exclusions in DarkReader, which will also apply to subdomains. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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7:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Yes, a review system for tag creation is sorely needed. However, it doesn't suffice by itself. There are also the 63 thousand tags we currently have, of which we don't need all. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
If the tag is hidden by default, how does it get applied? — Paulie_D 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"I wonder if that is the best use of the moderators' and communities' time in today's day and age where computing and storage are becoming less and less expensive." tag burnination isn't to "free up space". It's to remove bad and misleading information on posts. It's ultimately a maintenance for the library of knowledge we curate. If you have a book on chemistry labelled "Science" and "Unicorn" the latter label doesn't match up with the book, nor is it a useful label to have in a library. Hence why it needs to be removed. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Also worth noting that some tags may start off for some specific purpose but usage turns into a confusing mess and the whole thing is best lit up in flames to save the trouble of maintaining it. For cases where a tag doesn't offer enough information to keep around. — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
7:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"searching text is becoming efficient and the ability to infer tags by the search engines is also becoming easy" maybe you can explain how am I to follow these tags, then? On SO I can add tags to my custom filter. In what way exactly do I get a feed I can review from a search engine where the results match a tag I am explicitly interested in? I also need to know how to ignore certain tags. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ingo Steinke
How to participate in review and moderation process if the edit queue is mostly always full?! — Ingo Steinke 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
Even today, chess players have coaches. You can't learn to play good chess by just watcing an AI. Engines are a tool, not a substitution for human chess knowledge. Not to mention that as a chess player and software developper, I understand that writing code is a task several orders of magnitude more complex than playing chess. ChatGPT is the Scholar's Mate of coding — David 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Currie
Jugal - don't be discouraged by all the downvotes. I have never once in my life looked at the tags on a question. I reach every SO page through google. Tags are a hobgoblin of little minds. — Michael Currie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ingo Steinke
"There are too many pending edits on Stack Overflow. Please try again later." possible variation of the same problem? — Ingo Steinke 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@MichaelCurrie "Reaching all questions through google" is probably a decent way to find questions however, it seems like a terrible way to review and action incoming questions, though. Would you agree? Or am I maybe missing something in the "use search engine workflow"? — VLAZ 12 secs ago
 
8:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marijn
For the hidden tags I don't know what the OP had in mind specifically but I can imagine it is either a tag that is applied by askers but not shown on the questions until the threshold is reached, i.e., repeated creation of the tag, or shown on questions from the beginning but hidden from the to-be-created tag review system until the threshold is reached. — Marijn 38 secs ago
 
8:33 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
@David But AlphaCode does better than 54% of programmers in a programming competition. Also, you can ask the AI "Explain me this" so yes, it can be a programming teacher, specially if you are a newbie as me. Stockfish doesn't analyze, it just plays. There is a sligth difference here. — Universal_learner 17 secs ago
 
8:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
@David With your experiene. Don't you think to ban ChatGPT use is nonsensical? It would be as if Stockfish were not allowed as a tool to write chess books. How do you control that BTW? IMHO this is not a competition, we are diclosing knowledge. — Universal_learner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WhatsThePoint
This also doesn't take into account tags that were once valid, but no longer needed/relevant — WhatsThePoint 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
@David This is as if we were in 1970 and Chess Stack Exchange said: Computer chess engines are banned because they don't sugest the best move. BTW, GPT4 is launched. So, what now? They should define a GPT4 policy? This is a nosensical. They shoudl just obligate the users to cite they use this AI, and discourage Ai-only answers as in Chess Exchange to answer Stockfish play this is received badly and get downvotes. — Universal_learner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@MichaelCurrie "Tags are a means of connecting experts with questions they will be able to answer by sorting questions into specific, well-defined categories." As good as external search engines are for finding existing Q&A, they are poor for looking for content that still lacks key information – namely answers. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WhatsThePoint
well you answered your question already, if the votes are not reversed, you flag it — WhatsThePoint 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
@David Also...in Chess Exchange "Solve me this tactics" is not a well received question, as Stockfish does. Here it is going to be the same. "Why this code doesn't work" is no longer to be a good question in most cases because the AI is going to solve that. — Universal_learner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@Universal_learner Better than 54% means being totally average. Average for people that actually bother to do such exercises, i.e. many, many beginners. Exercises made specifically to be self-contained bites of challenges. Challenges with a huge body of available solutions. None of these match what Stack Overflow is striving for. — MisterMiyagi 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
@MisterMiyagi So it is going to clean a bit the site, but not completely for the moment. I understand, I thought AlphaCode was faced to experts. The article doesn't say that. — Universal_learner 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
It is safe to assume they will never improve on their initial post. It is futile to convert users. The conversion rate is much less than 1% and it is not what we are here for anyway. — Peter Mortensen 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by moken
Seems self correcting; If the image is transcribed the answers may not work but also may not be affected by the error. If it doesn't work the poster will mention that, then the reason is stated, "this is what's in your data, fix it if its incorrect" and we'll review. Most user's who do this are new and if they don't get a answer in 1 or 2 days or their question is closed, even when explained why, they are gone. Do we want to take advantage of the question and have it answered for others to make use of or just have it sit their gathering dust? — moken 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@Universal_learner "This is as if we were in 1970 ..." No. This is as if Chess Stach Exchange said a) people are abusing chess engines to massively generate hard-to-curate answers and b) anyone who wants to can still ask the chess engine directly. Attribution doesn't remove the issue of volume and quality being too much for curators, and neither is lifting the ban needed for people to benefit from such tools. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WhatsThePoint
@BlueRobin unfortunately people will always downvote things for whatever reason they want to, best thing to do, is keep doing what you are doing by seeking guidance on providing good content, and ignoring the score on your posts — WhatsThePoint just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
I'm sure of your point. If the question contains an image of code, then transcribing it is the wrong action; close/down voting and (if needed) education is the answer. It's up to the OP to paste the code into Stack Overflow; if they don't do that then yes, the question will likely be closed and probably later deleted (by Roomba). — Thom A 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
@MisterMiyagi In Chess Exchange if you post Stockfish plays that here as an answer just get downvotes. You cannot hijack the Chess Exchange reputation system if you don't know anything about chess and you just use an engine to answer. You are dealing with this as if Stack Overflow were a chess competition between humans. Also, I wonder how are you going to detect a code (not a text) comes from the AI if it matches the documentation code? — Universal_learner 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
What's so different in GPT-4 that requires re-evaluation of the policy? The article you linked is just the language model outputting some very common extremely simplistic "3D" code... That's not very impressive... — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
@Universal_learner Who cares? If a generated answer is indistinguishable from a "real" answer then there is no problem. False negatives happen, the cases were this doesn't matter, well, don't matter. FWIW, there is a chance a user posting code that an AI lifted straight from another source to get into problems for using code without attribution – not getting caught by the ChatGPT ban does not remove the other rules of the site. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yaakov Ellis
@user not borked anymore. that link now leads to a new SG section in the help center, and the old article that was at that url is now at stackoverflow.com/help/what-is-staging-ground (links in the app were updated). — Yaakov Ellis ♦ 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pinegulf
-10 votes. That's a lot of disapproval for simple question. — pinegulf 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yaakov Ellis
@philipxy I think that SG should be a sufficient review that the question is properly formed. And if an SME can review it there, even better. But better to graduate the question if it is properly formed (even if not an SME) and risk chance of closure on main site, than hold everything up for SME in SG. — Yaakov Ellis ♦ 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
@Cerbrus I don't know Just buying a GPT4 license as I have a menthal illness and I can sugest it to be Sigmund Freud and talk with me as a schizoaffective. Just wondering hwo much it is going to help me disclosing my geology content in the apps stores as my apps are simply, nothign sophisticated. For the moment it is officially my apps translator, my ads generator in adsense and a complement to a my psychoterapist. All that for 20$/month. — Universal_learner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
(Magnus Carlsen isn't at 2900. That is his stated goal (to reach as the first one in history). Yes, with today's rating it could be rounded to that with two significant digits, but I don't think it is fair to do in this particular case.) — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
@Peter Mortensen 2852 today you are right. Also I think Stockfish is rated 3400 and AlphaZero somehow is 50 points better 3450 or so. — Universal_learner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
@YaakovEllis That isn't relevant to my comment. (I addressed the point of another comment, where you ignored what they meant by "review it properly".) PS SG isn't making it clear to posters just what it is trying to achieve / what has been achieved upon "graduation", that that is merely "properly formed". Instead there is the usual salespeak. — philipxy 1 min ago
 
10:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
It is GPT-4, not GPT4. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
That doesn't address 3300 being an unfair statement. — Peter Mortensen 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yaakov Ellis
@philipxy yes, we have noted the lack of clarity to askers about SG purpose and significance of graduation, I have brought it up for internal discussion. FWIW this is mentioned several times on the banners and instructions shown to authors, but obviously there is room for improvement. — Yaakov Ellis ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
@Universal_learner the ban on ChatGPT is not analogous to a ban on Stockfish being used as a tool to write and review the lines contained in chess books. It's equivalent to a ban on AI-generated chess books, which aren't banned, but would be of no use to anyone even at a task where computers are much better than at writing code. "Solve me this tactics" doesn't really have an equivalent programming question type, but if it did, the difference would be that Stockfish actually gets the right answer pretty much all the time, while ChatGPT does not. — David 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I cannot reproduce it. Clicking upvote increases the score by 1 then immediately returns it to the old one and shows a message that you cannot vote on deleted posts. — VLAZ 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
@David No that's a different question. There are others as if is going to be capable of writing a framework or a complet programming language. Here we are not writing tutorials, we are answering code problems or challenges. — Universal_learner 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
@David You are right, and it it the reason of the ban. I just wonder if GPT-4 does. I am buying GPT-4 for 20$/month and I will tell you if it does (I even don't care if my code is the most effective, I disclose the content of an excel as geology guides, if it does correctly and Firebase tells me it is giving no execution errors to the students I will use it). If I had AlphaCode be sure I would be writing my geology apps (that take me a couple of months to write) in a week. — Universal_learner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MacGyver
This deleted answer had -3. I clicked upvote. It changed to -4. I think I expanded to see the upvotes and downvotes rather than the total count, and then I clicked upvote. Can you reproduce that? stackoverflow.com/questions/33491703/meaning-of-x-x-1-in-pyt‌​honMacGyver 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Tags are classification. While I care very little about classification (I don't think it affects search results much), I think it is great that some folks specialise in it. A future search engine might use the classification to provide much greater search specificity. The current text-based ones are confused by the "Related" column to the right which links to all sorts of unrelated questions in completely unrelated tags. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
There was probably a vote invalidation/removal. Vote counts are cached even if votes are reverted, and you probably triggered a cache invalidation. That isn't a bug, it's intentional — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MacGyver
Are you able to reproduce regardless of invalidation/removal? — MacGyver 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Not reproducible with that post. If it's indeed caching then it should be a very rare case. Also, voting on deleted content should already be rare, this the caching thing would be rarer still. — VLAZ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
I cannot reproduce it, no. It's a one-time event per invalidation. You triggered it, it cannot be done again — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MacGyver
Yay me ... ... ... — MacGyver 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Eric Aya
I have rolled back one of your recent edits. Changing "invalid" to "unexpected" in the error message, arguing that it's offensive to declare a gender invalid, was a misunderstanding on your part and off-topic: what was "invalid" was the user's choice, not the gender itself. The original error message didn't need to be changed. You have the right to be offended as much as you want by anything but don't push it in other people's content. And besides social opinions, just programatically, your edit didn't improve the post at all anyway. — Eric Aya 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
@MacGyver Why that response? — Daedalus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MacGyver
I'm an optimistic person — MacGyver 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
@Universal_learner good for you. Just keep in mind that obviously wrong code is better than code that tricks you into thinking it's right but actually isn't. — David just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David
Why are all the ChatGPT supporting answers analogies with things that have nothing to do with the subject matter? — David 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daedalus
I just mean; were you able to reproduce this? Did you refresh the page in a clean instance and check to see that your vote count was modified after? None of this is clear from the question. The only clarity I see is from comments of other users declaring this a no-repro, but the reason I don't understand the comment 'yay me' is it would appear to imply that this not being a bug is bad for you. As it stands, it isn't like meta costs you rep, so I'm a bit lost. — Daedalus 49 secs ago
 
10:46 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
@David I will check. I am anyhow buying GPT-4 for other purposes as a translator and a generator of my apps advertisements in adsense. Also wondering if it is going to help as a complement of my psychoterapy. I have Android and programming basic knowledges so I will just check if the code works and have sense with GPT-4. With ChatGPT (GPT-3.5) I agree it is not very helpfull. I need to tell it "No this is wrong code" lot's of times. — Universal_learner 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
...I wonder if GPT-4 can generate those infumables XML files you need to manually write for the design of the app. As for Java/Kotlin code, I will tell you if it does too. I am sure AlphaCode will do. The best Google could do is to liberate it soon.Universal_learner 1 min ago
 
10:58 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MacGyver
I can't reproduce — MacGyver 24 secs ago
 
11:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Universal_learner
...last...we are creating AI systems and we are not using them. Good for Google. OpenAI will be remembered in history as Amstrong's first step in the Moon. — Universal_learner 1 min ago
 
12:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sabito stands with Ukraine
Can all the posts that relate to this project be tagged as [outdated-answers]? In some cases if the 5 tags limit is reached then [answers] can be replaced... — Sabito stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
 
12:23 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Also, if anything, burnination adds more data to the servers. Deleted questions are preserved, and edited states are as well. It has never been about server storage; if it was, the company could just directly delete whatever content they saw fit to save storage space. — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
 
12:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IAsyncResult
Why people treat stackoverflow users as a "innocent child"? If user is searching on programmers forum the minimum kowledge on programming languages, IT area or something related is expected. You cannot enter in a culinary chef competition without be a chef first or at least have some knowledge in culinary. — IAsyncResult 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IAsyncResult
If you want to build some app/library from source using the build instructions provided by the repo, it's expected that you at least know what you're doing, you're not going to clone the repository and think that everything will magically compile automatically. Stackoverflow may miss a great chance to bring together the useful and the pleasant in one of the most innovative technologies simply because they think that the users on the platform are inexperienced people. It would avoid some repetitive questions like "how to do this" and without the need to close manually. — IAsyncResult 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IAsyncResult
Like zoe's gave an example about when the user executes the command (sudo rf -rf /)... Guys what world do people live in? You don't need to have a basic linux course, much less need to use the system on a day-to-day basis to know what this command does. If the person performs the act of executing this command, it is the person's responsibility. — IAsyncResult 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@IAsyncResult "You don't need to have a basic linux course, much less need to use the system on a day-to-day basis to know what this command does." you seem to assume much higher competency than the average user has with the CLI. sudo rm -rf / is quite infamous so even non-CLI people tend to know about it. But there are also plenty of commands that aren't known, yet can result in non-obvious destructive and unwanted behaviour. Even if the intention isn't to be malicious, a simply typo can turn a correct command to destructive. Even with familiarity, the subtleties might escape notice. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
Regular users can do nothing productive about voting irregularities, other than raise a flag after seeing something "that looks strange/wrong" (and waiting >= 24 hours for auto-reversal, if it's serial voting). Meta posts can result in more issues/cleanup, so are only very rarely helpful vs flagging. Moderators will investigate, but we can't actually see who voted. We can request Community Managers to also investigate and invalidate votes. To start that process is always raise an "in need of moderator intervention" flag which explains the issue you're seeing/having. — Makyen ♦ 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zfj3ub94rf576hc4eegm
This isn't a situation where someone gave an answer about cooking though. Someone may have asked a question poorly, but the answers are good and do solve a specific programming task. The fact that both the question (despite being malformed) and the top answer both have over 200 upvotes is strong evidence that the answer was helpful to many people who did have that specific, programming-oriented problem. — zfj3ub94rf576hc4eegm 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@IAsyncResult you seem to assume everyone reads and understands code before copying / running it, it would be nice if that were to be true. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 20 secs ago
 
1:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
Does this answer your question? Are all generative AIs banned?Thom A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
The issue with ChatGPT is that it tries to generate an entire answer, not simply code. It generates misleading English explanations of its own code, and ChatGPT answers would be disallowed even if the operator wrote the code by hand and then asked ChatGPT to add an explanation. Code-only answers are inferior in the first place, but we don't have the resources to determine whether a code-only answer is Copilot code. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Another way: the content is the problem, not the source. If I asked ChatGPT to generate an answer, and then manually typed out that answer by hand verbatim from another window (instead of copying and pasting it), that would still be a problem. However, if I took that opportunity to review the ChatGPT answer and fix issues on the fly using my own subject matter expertise and human intelligence, the result would be acceptable. — Karl Knechtel 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Couldn't mods just... offer some trivial self-answer to the question to defeat the Roomba? — Karl Knechtel 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@VLAZ "It's a common problem across the site for users tagging their editor when they actually have a problem with the code they've written inside the editor." This is just one of many reasons why we ought never have accepted questions about the editor as on topic. — Karl Knechtel 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@KarlKnechtel that's what has been done in the examples shown, but that happens after the deletion has already happened, it also assumes that someone is going to notice the deletion of these posts. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I mean, now that the problem has been identified, such answers could be posted preemptively. — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@KarlKnechtel That would mean moderators would need to keep track of every such post and add an answer on the last day (Probably won't want to add the answer too early in case someone else answers). This could be semi-automated with something keeping track of these. But then, it might as well be built into the system. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
This question was closed of a question that was closed as a duplicate of the question I'm asking about here. Not sure how that answers the question ;-) — NotTheDr01ds 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@KarlKnechtel And yet the code that ChatGPT generates is often copied over here without the explanation text and becomes a code-only answer. And GPT (inclusive of all current generations, at least prior to 4) is just as bad about hallucinating arguments for methods in programming languages whether it writes it in code form or expository. — NotTheDr01ds 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
I use DarkReader on Meta Stackoverflow all the time. It works just fine. — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Darko
No, and I'm deleting my account. This place is more toxic than even Steam forums. Good riddance assholes — Darko 39 secs ago
 
2:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@pinegulf Probably just "not this question again" downvotes. Don't pay too much attention to question score on meta, it is very fluent. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
2:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
Also, what happens to the serial voter? Does he/she loose reputation - reputation points are not a reward/punishment system, so no of course not. — Gimby 33 secs ago
 
3:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Marooni
Why do you care about this at all? if gpt or whatever does it for you, just use that? no point trying this site to be anything else. — Steve Marooni 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Marooni
And why do you care about how SO will do in a year or two, with this or any other policy? just use whatever tool that works for you. that was true in the past, it's true now, and will be true in The Future (tm). if SO dies because something else replaces it... so be it. I don't get all these answers worried about "SO should adapt, or it will be replaced by something else!!!". — Steve Marooni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Marooni
are you sure that link works? it redirects me to a "Quickstart" page. — Steve Marooni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
plagiarism is plagiarism. Provide the answer using the knowledge you gained, rather than copying and pasting. — Kevin B 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@SteveMarooni the first link won't show you anything useful, given you can't see deleted posts yet. (that requires 10k reputation) — Kevin B 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Marooni
I meant the link in the screenshot, KevinB — Steve Marooni 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
TL;DR - You cited a source... but you never bothered to reference the material. Plus your answer was solely copied content, containing no original work at all — Machavity ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petr Apeltauer
Yes i get that. But it still can be helpful for people that cannot find the source on Google, right? Should't StackOverflow encourage this so people are using StackOverflow rather than search engines like Google? — Petr Apeltauer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
err, no? google is where we get the overwhelming majority of our visitors. The on-site search is terribleKevin B 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petr Apeltauer
I added reference later. But that did not help. — Petr Apeltauer 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@PetrApeltauer This MSE post on plagiarism is worth a read — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petr Apeltauer
thanks, will have a look — Petr Apeltauer 15 secs ago
 
4:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben the Coder
@Gimby "reputation points are not a reward/punishment system, so no of course not." - I'd say that reputation is a reward system (you get rewarded for posting a good question with lots of upvotes and therefore, reputation, loose reputation for posting bad questions via downvotes). I think that the user probably should loose reputation (maybe 50) if they were serial voting. — Ben the Coder 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by General Grievance
Holy... This isn't the first time he's tried this kind of thing: 1, 2, and 3. Now I'm almost positive about my clickbait/self-promotion theory. — General Grievance 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
"I added reference later. But that did not help" Just added a citation isn't enough. You need to ensure you cite the source (and author if possible), put the content in a quote block, and add your own material. All three need to be present. — Thom A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"duplicate" and "plagiarism" are two different things, not interchangeable. SO is much more than just a "solution dump". We have standards for the content posted and avoiding plagiarism is one of those. It's really not that high of a standard, even. Also one shared with most places that strive for integrity in the content they provide. Plagiarised content shouldn't be posted on, say, Wikipedia or a news website or academic one, etc. Plagiarism might even lead to legal action. And at that point trying to claim it's just "a duplicate" won't really fly. — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
4:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Moderators cannot remove any reputation from a user directly. Community Managers can remove votes en masse. Neither group can "punish" someone by adding negative reputation. If we catch you serially voting, we can (and do) suspend you as punishment. — Machavity ♦ 9 secs ago
 
5:08 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Somewhat related Q of mine about making comments - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/423434/… - comments are for "warm fuzzies" and not to get post improved. — Alexei Levenkov 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user
thanks! in /help/what-is-staging-ground: "To make sure the process is efficient for you, your question will be published automatically if you do not receive reviewer feedback in a timely manner." would it not be an improvement to state when auto-publish happens? It happens after two days if no review action happens, right? — user 1 min ago
 
5:41 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IAsyncResult
@AbdulAzizBarkat So people are using stackoverflow and many other programming forums in wrong way just copy/pasting the code. Will not solve the problems. At least ChatGPT gives you the detailed information about that code. I recently went through a similar situation and could not understand a certain code for a game server, in the management part on the map, without even knowing the context, ChatGPT was able to explain it to me in a clear and objective way, it opened my eyes to see from another point of view (even simpler than I had thought) and it worked perfectly. — IAsyncResult 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by IAsyncResult
An example using a abstract syntax to talk with ChatGPT how to move bits prnt.sc/Ddgw5vzrnC1zIAsyncResult 10 secs ago
 
6:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
It is a waste of time, but my alternative, recycling users that create bad tags, keeps getting rejected. — user4581301 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
Isn't Meta dark enough? I mean there are so many posts by people who got question banned for no reason at all... — user4581301 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by vr.
What would you even show for a queue like "First answers"? — vr. 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
So i take it we've decided to run with this and launch it? using the existing algorithm that presents mostly useless results? — Kevin B 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@zfj3ub94rf576hc4eegm luckily then that it won't be easily deleted so lots of visitors can find those answers, assuming they arrive from Google on that Q/A pair. Only users that have an even better way to ---make coffee--- compress a file are out of luck and should go find the proper site to post their answer. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
just a note, it puts it further down the page for desktop, and higher on mobile — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
flag we don't need this block anymore. ;) — NathanOliver 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbc
Agree that it's bad. It basically highlights the fact that the related questions query mostly returns junk. (What is the difference between String and string in C#? is NOT the answer to every c# question.) — dbc 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
"I've heard my share of people saying that the related posts listing is generally less useful than the linked posts listing." - I mean, to be fair, that's to be expected. Link posts are posts that have been linked by people who presumably put some thought into it. — Nick stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
"I've heard my share of people saying that the related posts listing is generally less useful than the linked posts listing." - I mean, to be fair, that's to be expected. Linked posts are posts that have been specifically linked by people who presumably put some thought into it. — Nick stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
I think they should put more effort into getting relevant content into the list before caring about the UI aspects. As long as the content of the list is in fact unrelated, people will ignore it, no matter where it is placed. For the time being, please hide the list. — jps 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user
why wasn't this ever tagged "featured"? Or am I just blind? I wish I could have put my feedback here when it first came out. — user 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
Another UI element to add to my Ad Blocker for now, I suppose. — Thom A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@jps It's worse than that. I used to find some value (though usually indirect value) in the list of related questions (sometimes even as indirect as "oh, this other question also needs to be closed). Now, with it in such a disruptive position, I will be forced to hide the entire section with a userscript, meaning I will have zero chance of deriving value from it even if the content it shows improves. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
@TylerH I'll have to install that script too. Hope I won't miss the announcement of the team, once they figured out how to find and show actually related questions. — jps 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
For the adblocker folks looking for an immediate solution, the IDs to block are #inline_related_var_a_less, #inline_related_see_more, and #inline_related_see_lessZoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Also worth noting that the effort that went into the algorithm for the related questions is extremely low. It takes minimal effort to get an even vaguely more relevant link — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paolo
Asking here since I feel it doesn't warrant it's own question. How do I disable it? — Paolo 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
The module is an inconvenience regardless of where in the network it is. Please revert the change — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
wtf is the point in clickthrough rates if they're not clicking through to anything useful? — Nick stands with Ukraine 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paolo
How do I get rid of it? — Paolo 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paolo
I mostly open questions to answer them. Why would I care about related ones? — Paolo 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
Yes, I noticed, and already blocked it. Honestly, I'm not sure what you expected to happen. — Dan Mašek 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Don't Qt's closed as Duplicate count as having an Answer...? Example (Closed with 3 Dupe Targets, all 3 with Answer(s) of course...!) — chivracq 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
observed a statistically significant 900%+ increase - fine, but I hope there's more to it than just a "clickbait". As seen in some of the recent comments, many regular users will now totally block that list and the occasional visitor who asks a question will maybe click on some of the 'related' questions and wonder about the purpose, without really seeing any benefit. — jps 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
What is different about SO that makes it a valid target for this change and not the other network sites? Surely if its a positive change for SO it'd be a positive change elsewhere? — Kevin B 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
@Paolo from a site curation perspective it could be useful if you could find dupe targets in the list. Not every question needs a new answer, many questions can be closed as duplicates. — jps 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
@Paolo assuming you have an ad blocker, meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/423143/…. Alternatively stackapps.com/questions/9677/… for a userstyle. Otherwise, you don't. You may now commence suffering — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
Works great! Thanks a lot for the quick workaround! — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Jumping on the bashing the statistics-train here, a high clickthrough rate is great for flexing to the shareholders, but it doesn't measure utility for the end-user. There are plenty of ways in which this is worse, notably by being a waste of space. — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@jps from my experience, the chance of getting a question which is in any way "related" is already very low. While the chance of getting a duplicate is vanishingly low. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tanj92
@KevinB when we first introduced the initiative we set expectations on MSO that we would be experimenting on Stack Overflow. We haven't set any expectations for the rest of the network. Despite the positive results we saw on Stack Overflow we can't assume it would yield similar results on the rest of the network sites. — tanj92 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paolo
@jps is it though? It only shows me the title of the questions, which is fairly useless in helping me determine whether the question is a dupe or not. A google search is a lot more effective — Paolo 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jps
@paolo and at vlaz I already wrote above the list currently is quite useless. It was more like "if the list would contain relevant questions..." — jps just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
"... is bad for all your users and for Stack Overflow." tis great for ad impressions tho, — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tim Post
@BlueRobin I don't know what the parameters are for the blocks any longer, but I can't imagine that you're far from the threshold at all. You could try contacting support one more time, pointing them toward your badges and the amount of positive participation that you have, and request that they disassociate one of the unsalvageable posts from your account. They may agree that it's better to do that than force you to make another and abandon all your positive contributions too. It's their call, though - this is a sort of exception. Good luck! — Tim Post 1 min ago
 
8:08 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WhatsThePoint
Also for this kind of banner it would require SMEs of the subject in question to decide, and you can't always guarantee an SME is around to review things — WhatsThePoint 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by astrojuanlu
It just happened again at 19:08 UTC with the kedro feed of Stack Overflow. — astrojuanlu 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blue Robin
@TimPost Thanks! Hopefully, support will give me mercy. — Blue Robin 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fastnlight
Idea: Add an option to settings for users to be able to move it back to the side. This will allow people who like the change to keep it, and people who don’t to be able to revert it. — Fastnlight 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
What was the calculus for this change, which no one asked for, over the list of bugs and feature requests that are still outstanding? — TylerH 1 min ago
 
8:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
That question has attracted a messy set of code-only duplicate answers. Yuck. — Michael 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"I suspect that the SE devs would rather not maintain and test 2 versions of the layout." no reason to worry - they don't really maintain the one we have now. And the testing is done live on prod by users of the system anyway. I'm at least mostly joking. — VLAZ 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fastnlight
Quick question. If a post is suspected of being plagiarized from ChatGPT, can we flag for plagiarism and write ChatGPT in the source, or should we continue using mod flags? — Fastnlight 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by j08691
I guess I'm in the minority, as in all my years here I've rarely notice plagiarized questions or answers. Could probably count them on one hand. — j08691 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
@Michael Well thank the Gawds that post is already protected. — Drew Reese 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@Fastnlight I'd leave that for the mods to answer, honestly. That's more of a site policy decision than I feel comfortable making. :) — Catija ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ChrisF
@Fastnlight I'd still use a custom flag for ChatGPT answers at this stage. — ChrisF ♦ 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by thirtydot
It's 900% more annoying having the "related questions" box down there, compared to where it used to be. It's usually useless, now it's still useless and in my face. Sigh. — thirtydot 1 min ago
 
9:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
Posting as a comment as I'm not in a position to vocalise in an answer properly, but disassociation for upvoted plagiarism feels "wrong"; plagiarism is plagiarism and it shouldn't be validated by the fact that it was well received. — Thom A 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@ThomA That's a point I should perhaps have clarified somewhat but, to be clear, when we retain information that has been plagiarised, the process involves editing the content to be clearly cited and sourced, linking to the original. The purpose of disassociation is to remove any benefits of the high-scoring content from the person who posted it on the site. :) — Catija ♦ 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@j08691 - I see more plagiarized content then spam on a daily basis. A user will sometimes submit 10-15 answers and every single one of them will be plagiarized. — Security Hound 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by j08691
@SecurityHound I've noticed my ChatGPT answers than plagiarism — j08691 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
“Why was it deleted?” - You plagiarized the source material, you failed to quote the source material, the second part of properly citing and quoting a third-party source. Something that everyone who went to grade school learned how to do, and since minors are not allowed, every user should have that basic knowledge. — Security Hound 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@j08691 - I consider ChatGPT answers to be a form of plagiarism, so double my numbers, since report a ton of ChatGPT answers. But plagiarism is a huge problem. — Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
New flag type - "Plagiarized content" - for questions, answers, and articles — Dang, tag wikis have been forgotten yet again. Still, I'm glad to see this roll out, and I'm wondering if there are any plans to get it on other sites. — Laurel 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Laurel you cannot flag tag wikis, though. The flag is being added to things that were already flaggable. Just a new entry in the flag list. Not saying tag wiki plagiarism shouldn't be considered an issue, just that we don't have facilities to signal for any problem with those. — VLAZ 35 secs ago
 
9:35 PM
Question was edited after you posted this: "Today, we graduated the experiment for Stack Overflow question pages with zero answers, specifically the variant where three related questions are shown by default, with a link to view more". Good thing I had already downvoted this question. This is a mind-bogglingly intrusive and useless feature to the point of being harmful. The "related questions" are useless so shoving them in people's faces is just ugh. — Andras Deak -- Слава Україні 38 secs ago
@ZoestandswithUkraine just ask ChatGPT to recommend related questions. — Andras Deak -- Слава Україні 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user3386109
Is it just me, or are the "Related question" not related at all to the question being asked. For example, there's this question. How is the top link to a question about a[5] == [5]a even remotely related to compiling a source file on Alpine Linux. Seems to me that the heading "Related questions" would be more informative if it was changed to "Completely irrelevant questions" — user3386109 8 secs ago
Also an official answer I almost missed (hence this comment). We have clicks now, phew 😌 — Andras Deak -- Слава Україні 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael M.
@vr. The number of times each reviewer selected "Looks Good", the number of times they chose to edit, and the number of times they shared feedback. Or, if that's too much info, just the number of reviews they've completed. — Michael M. 47 secs ago
 
10:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user3386109
I think the "Related questions" should just be removed altogether. In my experience, it's extraordinarily rare that a link in the "Related questions" actually leads to a question that's relevant. Case in point would be the four "Related" questions listed on the side of this meta question. — user3386109 1 min ago
 
10:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petr Apeltauer
wow, such hate... Have you seen the original and my edited version? It is not the same so i cannot use direct citation in quatation marks. It should not be plagiarism as it is general info originally defined by Apple right? Its not something the original author came up with... — Petr Apeltauer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petr Apeltauer
I get your points. I actually had the answer i posted in comment of example app i created where i rewritten it to make it more understandable to me and my collegues practising KMM (kotlin multiplatform). I forgot about the original link so i did not include it. I was only reminded by the one who deleted the post. — Petr Apeltauer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Petr Apeltauer
I find this to be honest confusing and will rather avoid answering with my researched notes in the future. — Petr Apeltauer 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MyICQ
@user3386109 as related as google image searching for "X" and returning 100 images of "Y" and "Z" just becuase there has to be some results. If none found, pick random. — MyICQ 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Phil
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Phil
@tanj92 funny how neither the initial announcement nor this graduation is featured. Were you hoping nobody would notice? — Phil 37 secs ago
 
10:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
I will wager that the answer was AI-generated — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
And in fact, when I ran the answer through the OpenAI Classifier, it responded: "The classifier considers the text to be likely AI-generated.", and so yeah, the answer was not created by a human. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
it was indeed AI-generated. — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@HovercraftFullOfEels, put a link to that in the answer I provided. I've not bothered with those classifiers before so it'd be a good back-reference to it all. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l0b0
Oh right, it got me! — l0b0 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by pppery
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
What makes you so confident that the answer would be completely different? JavaScript has improved, but it's still backwards compatible for most things. — Makoto 25 secs ago
 
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