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12:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dawood ibn Kareem
I can't agree more. I've seen quite a few questions recently where the list of "Related Questions" aren't related at all, and most likely just add to the frustration of the OP. They certainly add to the frustration of a person wanting to answer the questions. — Dawood ibn Kareem 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dawood ibn Kareem
This reminds me of the very popular Windows Vista feature which let you revert back to the previous version. There's got to be something badly wrong with an "upgrade" when early in its life, somebody is releasing a script to undo it. — Dawood ibn Kareem 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dawood ibn Kareem
What does "graduated" mean? Does this mean that I can't ask to be in the control group? — Dawood ibn Kareem 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
@DawoodibnKareem Graduated means it has been released. There is no longer an A/B test, it's public, and everyone gets to suffer with the result. — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@JK. It's partly so I don't pour that treatment into questions from new users on the main site, and also partly drafting/brainstorming some things I want to write about on my blog. — Karl Knechtel 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
(They're type annotations, not "higher-level parameters" which is not a real term.) — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
See also the bottom of the question list ordered by votes. Examples include jobs axed, thank you reaction, removing HMP, question upvote boost, reprexing MCVE, and more depressing reads. And that's just on MSO. Use the same search order on MSE for more depressing reads — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blue Robin
I didn't know what they were called so I just made something up... But thanks! — Blue Robin 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dylan-myers
Just came across this today in the wild (without knowing about the test beforehand) - I really like this! I definitely tend to ignore the sidebar because it's out of the way. To me this is just making the reading order (question -> (no answer) -> related questions) more natural, so it saves my eyes time. Hope this perspective as someone outside the Meta community helps :) — dylan-myers 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dawood ibn Kareem
Thank you @ZoestandswithUkraine — Dawood ibn Kareem 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
@DawoodibnKareem Were you not making a funny? I also would like to opt into the control group. — Drew Reese 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Blog? Where is it? — Peter Mortensen 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gparyani
I believe it's due to the "my file is [here]" links. I think you've typed single line breaks between those lines, which aren't rendered in the rendered post, and that combined with the brackets is causing that part to be recognized as code. Try putting a second line break (i.e., an empty line) between each of those links and see if that works. — gparyani 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@PeterMortensen Haven't meaningfully started yet. I'll definitely mention in the Python chat room when I do. — Karl Knechtel 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Charlieface
@IanCampbell 's suggestion is great, because there is apparently code in place already to detect copy-pasteCharlieface 1 min ago
 
1:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
"Corporate, are you listening?" - Heh, when's the last time you're seen the CEO post something on this site (or on any of them, discounting the blog)? IIRC they even had to organize an event to get the employees to actually try to use their product in any meaningful way. — Dan Mašek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Starship is go for launch
Why so many downvotes — Starship is go for launch 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Good luck. It only took me 13 years to really get started. Embarrassment-driven blog post writing seems to be working for me: Schedule blog posts every week on a particular weekday (they are automatically published). If I don't finish in time, I will be so embarrassed that I need to bring it to an acceptable state ASAP (hopefully before publication). — Peter Mortensen 34 secs ago
 
1:41 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mason
@CodeCaster I've been seeing you post for years. Never knew you weren't a native speaker - congrats on being able to fool one into thinking you were! — mason 26 secs ago
 
1:53 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
ChatGPT generated that prose? — Karl Knechtel 51 secs ago
 
 
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3:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
That's coming from an addon. Has been asked before, I'll look for the dupe .. — Tom 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
Does this answer your question? Code appears when clicking the inboxTom 50 secs ago
 
4:03 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user
@VLAZ "the tags are being removed" and replaced with r-rownames / r-colnames :P see the retag guidanceuser 1 min ago
 
4:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erwin Brandstetter
So what about that official guideline? Is HTML formatting inside code cool again? Is it here to stay? Where is this documented? Thank you. — Erwin Brandstetter 37 secs ago
 
 
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5:43 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
"Instead of accepting the facts I presented, one user deleted all information about why the question fits within Stack Overflow's bounds" - This absolutely was a valid edit. — Security Hound 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@user replaced when another classifier is more appropriate. The [rowname] is being removed and for a significant portion of questions it will not be replaced. However, I don't see how this nitpick over a technicality which isn't even relevant helps anything. — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
6:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by skomisa
"...the contents of the list are completely unrelated. Fix that first, before changing the layout." is spot on. It's stunning that the OP has explicitly stated in a comment "There are good questions to ask about how to serve better related questions but that's out of scope here". Why "out of scope"???!!! Finding truly relevant questions is by far the hardest part of this project. If that can't be done then everything else is just rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic. I don't understand how they hope to obtain meaningful metrics when what they will be measuring is not meaningful. — skomisa 1 min ago
 
 
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7:23 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Do you believe that a user who tries to find information from a web search and lands on your question is required to read about where you believe a question should be posted? For reference, I believe the answer is "no". I'd be curious to see if and why you would think otherwise. Because questions are as applicable to other visitors as they are to the question author. The reason to post a question should be to share it with all future visitors. A very large portion of those land on questions after a web search and might not even have an account on the site. — VLAZ 18 secs ago
 
7:58 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MyICQ
I know it's not the trend of websites - but why not simply make this a checkbox in your user profile. Set this on by default. And allow users to switch off. — MyICQ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
Presumably the "and maintain a positive question record" is holding it up. — khelwood 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
Does this answer your question? Why didn't I get the Curious badge?Ivar 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Giorgi Tsiklauri
@khelwood then it's quite unclear and unobvious. I can't see what does exactly maintain a positive question record mean and how to track whether it maintains or not. :) — Giorgi Tsiklauri 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I think all of the proposed metrics fail in fairly significant ways: 1. Many users might not even have an account or desire to ask. E.g., they might bounce around links to find information. It's how I search and I've observed others IRL do the same. The information needed might even be found elsewhere, e.g., GitHub or a blog post, etc. At which point it wasn't SO who helped but there would be no question the user asked. 2. Plenty of users delete their questions early. I have no idea how to link this to Related. I've seen questions deleted seconds after being posted regularly.1/5 — VLAZ 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I have no explanation for those but I sincerely doubt it's because the user saw what they needed in the related section. Others get deleted after a comment or even just a single downvote. 3. A LOT of duplicates get closed almost immediately because they are common dupes. The Related section has no impact. Unless it's anecdotal - I never look at the section when dupe hammering questions. And the Related section is exceptionally rarely even useful. Example (link to question). For anybody not familiar with 2/5 — VLAZ 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
TS, I assure you that not a single one of the Related questions has anything to do with this one. The major link they share is the TypeScript tag. 4. I have seen exceptionally simple and well-covered questions get half a dozen answers in a couple of minutes. Where some answerers are also ones who most definitely have answered similar questions in the past. I believe there would be enough users who clearly know an answer exists but still post an answer to skew the results. Also, another way the metric would fail is that no answers doesn't automatically imply that the Related section was 3/5 — VLAZ 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
helpful. If it wasn't helpful and the question still wasn't answered (due to complexity, or requiring an expert in a narrow field, or missing information, or plain because it fell through the cracks and wasn't noticed). 5. would fail to account for irrelevant but eye-catching questions. If a user lands on a question about Foo but sees a Related one about something which is not Foo but still interesting, they might visit and attempt to upvoted answers. The upvoting might be a "Thanks, I liked that" or "I am an expert and I approve of this". Where in all cases the user would vote based 4/5 — VLAZ 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
on the separate question by itself, rather than because it is supposedly related. 6. Is more or less the same as 5. where a user finds the linked question interesting rather than related to what they are searching for. Both 5. and 6. also assume that no interaction means something wasn't useful. I've seen people search for information and often enough they land on a page and don't interact with it other than scrolling even when it does solve their query. 5/5 — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@KarlKnechtel Question is: when are you going to burn out trying to make a point out of the many answers that will be deleted which look ok ? For our own sanity, I really believe it is best to just let it all go for as long as that "no chatgpt, period" policy is in place. It is a carte blanche to delete indiscriminately from our point of view, since we can't see whatever is used to identify these answers. — Gimby 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Oh...!?, that was quick...! 'Reduce Clutter' (with a Space btw) updated to v3.0.2 and the "Grammar Horror" has finally been fixed... I'm impressed...! And it looks like all instances of "new" have disappeared... (Got automatically updated on PM v26.3.3 + GM v1.15.1. (Yep, GM = 'Greasemonkey', and I really mean v1.15.1, ah-ah...!)) // Discovered 'SE Wider Mode' and looks nice, but lots of White Space on 'Active Questions' (2cm per Row), on FF110, TM v4.16.6160). — chivracq 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nico Haase
"I assumed you meant the product Azure Cosmos" - no, I haven't head of any such product. In german language (my mother-tongue), a "cosmos" might mean a whole ecosystem of products, and that's what I've meant — Nico Haase 47 secs ago
 
 
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9:38 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Marooni
It's likely ChatGPT produced content. Why would you suspect the erasures to be unmerited? The "random moderator" description seems slightly derogatory, even if you didn't meant it that way. Can you post the answers so users that can't see them can read them? — Steve Marooni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
These deletions were indeed ChatGPT-related. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"If there is some rampant bot/plagiarism problem that is eliciting these summary deletions" there is: Temporary policy: ChatGPT is banned. Also bountied questions have turned into honeypots for ChatGPT generated answers. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
How do you expect moderators to deal with the extra effort of commenting on every single deletion? If a deletion feels fishy, you can always ask on Meta – ideally, without accusations of abuse until you know what actually goes on. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Wheeler
How would somebody know that these are ChatGPT generated? — Paul Wheeler 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Marooni
It's a common error to think that because we cannot do something, nobody else can't either. — Steve Marooni 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Wheeler
Also if ChatGPT can correctly answer questions like this doesn't that indicate that either the questions are so trivial that they should be deleted? — Paul Wheeler 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Marooni
Isn't that a completely different question? — Steve Marooni 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"How would somebody know that these are ChatGPT generated?" if you're asking how to recognise them - there are patterns repeated in ChatGPT content. And users who post ChatGPT content very rarely post a single instance, so it's very likely other posts of theirs (also deleted) would show even more of the telltale signs of ChatGPT generated content. If you're asking "How would the user whose answer was deleted know" - mods send a private message when they action the infraction. So, the authors would have the situation explained to them. — VLAZ 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@PaulWheeler " if ChatGPT can correctly answer questions like this doesn't that indicate that either the questions are so trivial that they should be deleted?" No. ChatGPT is often quite good at answering complex questions. The trouble is, it's also very often quite bad at it, but it sounds very confident and articulate when it's completely making up nonsense. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Wheeler
@SteveMarooni I'm not saying that we shouldn't have moderators or that they shouldn't be deleting low quality content. I'm perfectly happy not to have this responsibility/power. I just want those that use the power to have a positive impact on the community. — Paul Wheeler 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Marooni
And why do you believe they are not having a positive impact on the community? Just because they deleted some bot generated answerss? — Steve Marooni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Just to add to what @RyanM said - ChatGPT can also be bad at answering simple questions. Overall, there is little to no consistency what is or isn't a good question for ChatGPT to answer. Complexity rarely plays part of it. The wording, and also the context of the conversation can have influence, though. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Anyway a moderator (not me) is currently writing an answer explaining our thinking on this. The short version is "we'd like to make it clearer why answers like this were deleted but there are tradeoffs to doing so with comments, such as flooding the user's inbox with notifications that might make them miss the mod message with a longer explanation." — Ryan M ♦ 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Wheeler
@SteveMarooni the issue I have is that I look at these specific answers to this specific question and I think that they could have been helpful to the original poster, and that they at least partially answered the question. I could have rewritten them in my own words based on my own investigation and would that have been ok (despite basically presenting the exact same information)? Or would it have just gotten deleted? — Paul Wheeler 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Marooni
But you do realize they were deleted because they were recognized as being generated by ChatGPT, no? You disagree with that policy? Or you think it's not being enforced correctly? — Steve Marooni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Wheeler
I will say that it is unfortunate that ChatGPT and people abusing StackOverflow by posting ChatGPT generated content has created this problem. And I do apologize if my initial phrasing was derisive towards moderators. I've just always tried to be open and communicative in communities that I've moderated, but I understand that in the current climate that may have become onerous. — Paul Wheeler 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Wheeler
@SteveMarooni 1) it seems I need to educate myself in a different venue regarding how to spot ChatGPT content since I'm clearly not picking up on the cues that these moderators did. 2) I think it would be helpful to have an "ChatGPT" flag to help explain the reasoning (no fault of the moderators there, I presume this feature doesn't exist). 3) This is probably pie in the sky but I wish there were a capability to prevent these things from ever being posted and there for not waste the moderators time or confuse other users like myself. — Paul Wheeler 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by blackgreen
The question has been closed, and there it goes my draft answer. However the geist of it is: 1) mods are trusted to uphold community rules, it's more productive if you primarily assume that we delete posts for a good reason, instead of assuming it a posteriori when attempting to interpret the deletion 2) if you have questions about a specific post, flag it or ask in meta 3) we can't leave comments on any and all posts we delete, it's impractical, time consuming and drowns out the poster's inbox in useless notifications, when appropriate feedback is provided separately as a private message — blackgreen ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
Are you sure this will actually improve things? To get to that point, the poster must already have disregarded quite a lot of advice. A warning can be ignored like all the other advice, and even preventing posting the question can easily be circumvented with padding. — MisterMiyagi 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
:o In 5 minutes, it's in reviewing status — Elikill58 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Getting status-review is the easy part. You now get to wait 6-8 for, most likely, nothing — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@PaulWheeler "the issue I have is that I look at these specific answers to this specific question and I think that they could have been helpful to the original poster" - Questions and their answers must serve the many, not the one. Just like it is wrong to blame the mods for everything that is wrong with the world, so too is it wrong to keep treating Stack Overflow as a helpdesk. It won't work, it'll just make you hate the site. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
@MisterMiyagi yes, it can. But without it's not possible to have upgrade of question. With it, it's possible to have at least a copy/paste of code, link or error — Elikill58 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
@MisterMiyagi IMO, we should still attempt to reduce this. The wizard should have far more safeguards in place to avoid stuff like this. The point isn't to be impenetrable, but to give so enough obstacles that exceptionally few make it past all of them. At least for the really obvious stuff, like section1 == section2. Right now, the wizard doesn't even try to improve post quality beyond the prompts. — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paul Wheeler
Thank you for your explanation and thoughts @blackgreen. Asking on Meta is what I did, and I found the responses here helpful even if the came with a heap of downvotes and accusations in kind. If I ever ask something again on Meta I clearly need to be much more sensitive to not ruffle so many feathers. — Paul Wheeler 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
It is the same as with multiplayer gaming servers. You don't implement measures to make it impossible to cheat, you implement barriers time consuming enough so the millions of people who want to cheat with next to zero effort give up. The few cheaters that do want to try hard can be banned when they are caught in the act, you just need to give players the proper tools to provide proof to speed up that process. — Gimby 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@E_net4 okay but a flag decline leading to a false idea is a mistake in itself. It is good that there are venues like this where that can be outed. People must stop reading too much into mere bookkeeping events. — Gimby 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by blackgreen
@PaulWheeler for individual posts, you can also raise a mod flag, we most likely will mark it "helpful" with an explanatory remark, and you will be able to find it in your flag history. As for the reception this question just had, your choice of words didn't help. "Even assuming for a moment" and "random moderators" makes it sound like you are accusing us of deleting stuff on a whim. — blackgreen ♦ 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sergei Kozelko
Are there any updates on flagging duplicate answers? From the comments on feature-request I understand that plagiarism flag is not for duplicate answers, but the only other option is a custom flag which still goes to the mods (plus I also leave a comment with text from here) — Sergei Kozelko 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
I would be more for a minimal character count for the body to be honest. A question of one sentence is not a question that is worth having. That will also catch people just lazily copying the title. And that is very easily circumvented by just adding junk to the end of the question to pad it out... but that opens it up for site abuse flagging. — Gimby 23 secs ago
 
10:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Yep, complete Support, such Qt's (Questions) are always VLQ, mostly by 1-Rep Users, ... who usually don't follow up / react to Comments at all... (One more Example.) Some "basic" Checking on Section_1 == Section_2 + Char_Count > 100 (or 200?) would already prevent many of those VLQ Qt's. (+ Have to wait for 30 days before they will be roomba'd, grrr...!) — chivracq 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Matt
Humoristic approach: Add a footnote to every high quality post "This answer was created by a natural intelligence (a real person). No AI's were abused or harmed during the creation of this text." ;-) — Matt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
@MichaelM. I think the previous commentator's point is that, for First Questions, First Answers and Late Answers, it only takes one reviewer to complete the review. — Adrian Mole 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
@chivracq the check doesn't exists, the bot message comes from this review. (I agree with this suggestion, maybe it will require another post) — Elikill58 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Oh!, yep indeed, you're right...! Hum, me = Fool, thinking for a while the Community Bot could be that clever, oops...! (On a side-note, that Reviewer (5k-Rep) could also have edited the Qt, I would think...) — chivracq 13 secs ago
 
11:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Elikill58
It's 2k rep for edit privilege, and even without this privileges you can see edit history. No user could change the community bot message — Elikill58 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by chivracq
Yeah-yeah, I know that, but I mean that the Reviewer could also have directly edited the Question "a little bit", to remove the double Section, "pest" in the Title (instead of "paste") doesn't mean anything... But I guess the 'First Questions' Queue is so depressing that there is practically no/little use in trying to improve such Qt's if the Askers themselves don't want to put that effort... — chivracq 11 secs ago
 
11:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l4mpi
@Bella_Blue "We are taking all of this into consideration, and have already been in the process of preparing another Meta post that addresses most of these concerns for tomorrow" - unless that post announces the immediate rollback of this bad change, it will probably not address any of the concerns in a reasonable way. — l4mpi 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jugal Thakkar
Thanks for all the feedback and input. I clearly misunderstand burnination. I shall go ahead and delete this question now — Jugal Thakkar 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kaiido
Han I was already half-way into my answer there when I saw yours here. I've been a bit father in the rabbit hole if you're interested ;-) — Kaiido 1 min ago
 
12:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael M.
@AdrianMole Yes, but why would that affect a reviewer stats button? I'm not sure I understand your point. — Michael M. 1 min ago
 
12:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
What happens when you try to add the account in your My Logins page? — Thom A 1 min ago
 
12:43 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurel
I'm not sure this is on-topic here (see tag description). The connection between your SO/SE accounts and your Teams account now only exists in Teams. For example, they used to allow you to see your Teams notifications in your SO/SE inbox but that's now gone. — Laurel 10 secs ago
 
1:13 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gulzar
@ThomA I added the team's account to the main one, but when entering stackoverflowteams.com it doesn't show any link whatsoever — Gulzar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gulzar
@Laurel the tag explicitly reads "except questions about the link to the public site" — Gulzar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
What do you mean by it doesn't show any link? You add the account here on Stack Overflow, not teams. — Thom A 1 min ago
 
2:16 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
But why phrase this like a lecture rather than an actual bug report though? Yeah it doesn't work reliably. I think we'll live. — Gimby 1 min ago
 
2:36 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
FWIW, I always expected this to be more visible than the old process (where the post was just deleted and sometimes disassociated). This was going to be a net increase in data on who did what and why. The Devs met those expectations and more. — Machavity ♦ 56 secs ago
 
2:53 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Fareanor
The main issue with this feature is that the proposed "related" question are not related at all, it's close to random... I've looked at it for several questions, and the given list useless, the proposed Q/A and not even near to the topic of the OP's question. — Fareanor 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by epascarello
Looked at 10 questions today. Not a single related question actually related to the question being asked. The context clues it is using to find relations is flawed. Glad I run user style sheets to hide the content. — epascarello 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gulzar
@ThomA On stackoverflow, I added the work account as a login. Nothing on either site is aware of the other. If you meant to do some other process, please post as an answer so that I can follow along. — Gulzar 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thom A
So you haven't (yet) tried to add the login on your My Logins page using the Add more logins… feature? — Thom A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kristinalustig
I can also reproduce this - thanks for reporting, looking into it now. — kristinalustig ♦ 1 min ago
 
3:31 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GTAE86
Not sure - I had been at 1770 for some months. Deleted the post, and was then at 1768. I see I am back at 1770 now, so ended up a no-op. — GTAE86 1 min ago
 
3:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gabe Sechan
@Gimby Because it was a discussion originally and not a bug report. As for living- I think with the new prominent placement it REALLY detracts from the site. In the sidebar it was ok-ish. Now it's so bad that if I wasn't a longtime user I'd have little faith in the site's ability to answer me, if that's what it thought was related. A new user and low skill user is going to see those and get confused and lost.If it's that unreliable, remove it until it works. — Gabe Sechan 53 secs ago
 
4:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Kaiido thanks for the insight! I didn't have the time to dig deeper. This is useful information. What I did check is the issues in GitHub for DDGPE but I didn't see anything that seemed related. At least that was before I read your answer. I'll check now if it's reported as another kind of issue and I might raise a new issue if it's not reported yet. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin Krumwiede
@Gimby Shouldn't the developers of a programming site at least minimally test their changes before inflicting them on live users? — Kevin Krumwiede 6 secs ago
 
4:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by marrados
Thanks for following on that. I can confirm that HTML styling in explicit <pre><code> blocks will work. If you find issues with that, please let us know. On the other hand, we do not support HTML styling in actual code blocks (```). Hope that helps! — marrados ♦ 52 secs ago
 
5:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I mean, the largest problem with the Related A/B test (which I assume prompted this) wasn't that people didn't know where to find it. Or the updates were hard to follow. Both were issues, but the biggest one is rolling it out with no announcement. A pattern that is not at all new to SE and has been repeatedly criticised by the community. Unless you commit to making the proper announcements before releases and stick to this I really don't see what the point of this is. Do note that we've been repeatedly promised better information in the past. Only to see repeat lack of it. — VLAZ 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
it's often easy to look at a change strictly from the PoV of data and see that the change is obviously having a major impact that you intended the change to have while not seeing the bigger picture or side effects that the change can have. Why would SO assume that the related questions being presented are bad if the posts being presented are overwhelmingly upvoted? It's easy, as someone whose been here for 12 years, to see that a post having 2k+ upvotes more often indicates that it's going to be a question with 10 pages of awful answers rather than a good Q&A pair. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
The reason that this isn't useful to answerers (who, as @philipxy points out, should be trying to identify duplicates rather than answering them) is generally that the suggestions are bad, rather than anything specific to answerers vs askers. — Ryan M ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rosie
@VLAZ I understand your and other people's frustrations. We want to make it easier for everyone to have awareness of what changes are happening and a way to give actionable feedback for our teams to review. We had a proposal for doing all of the updates and having feedback here. The Mods rightly pointed out that a better solution is to have us post updates here and new CTAs where people can give feedback on a single experiment. We adjusted based on that feedback. — Rosie ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Makyen's answer and the comments quoted in it discuss some metrics that would likely have been better choices. — Ryan M ♦ 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Makyen's answer and the comments quoted in it discuss some metrics that would likely have been better choices. — Ryan M ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
This could be particularly useful for someone trying to see the question as they write their answer. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
I don't think that anonymous vs logged-in is the right distinction here. For one thing, it should certainly be shown to, at minimum, the asker. It would also be useful to suggest possible duplicates to people who might be answering or who could flag as duplicate. Additionally, I am usually logged in when researching a problem - why should I not get related questions if I'm on a page with no answers? The problem, really, is that the suggestions are bad. Either it's useful to both logged-in and logged-out users, or it's useful for neither. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@RyanM i wouldn't find a list of questions under a question useful even if they were improved. It most certainly wouldn't be useful to all, even if only the best of the best Q&A pairs were somehow selected. It's simply not what I'm here for. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
OK, so should I take this as no commitment for better announcement of upcoming changes? Because being informed about initiatives doesn't suffice. I saw the announcement about the A/B test on Related section. It read that it will run for anonymous users only. And thus I assumed it might at best be released for anonymous users. It wasn't. Nor was there any information what the result was after it concluded and before releasing. The very reasonable point about "Related" not really being related was brought up but dismissed. I didn't see reason to leave feedback. Apparently I should have — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
5:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
This should all go in the tag wiki. There is no reason to make questions into something they are not. — Travis J 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kristinalustig
Okay, we found the issue and are working on a fix - it was an issue with our character counter still checking for validity even when that subform wasn't focused or expanded. We'll update this answer status once it's shipped, thanks again for the report. — kristinalustig ♦ 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
Remember the MSE "roadmap" we were supposed to get, that looked like these? — Travis J 1 min ago
 
6:25 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@KarlKnechtel Perhaps both your and TylerH's views on these matters are colored a wee bit by the development environments you work with daily? Python apparently is geared toward being compiled in an environment using a monospaced font. So, if you are answering questions in [python], by all means, use code formatting instead of blockquote (or use both [e.g., > ``` ]) In general, however, the expectation is that error messages are in blockquotes (as you are quoting the system reporting the error). — Heretic Monkey 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Please stop updating this question every time you get banned or unbanned. Sorry to say, but the vast majority of us just don't care. — Heretic Monkey 48 secs ago
 
7:05 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
You mean the metrics suggested by you, @Ryan? :P I've upvoted that answer. — CodeCaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
Crickets. Yeah, Meta is "hostile" towards staff, but that's because staff keeps doing this. — CodeCaster 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makyen
@chivracq Not even GM 3???? I can understand not going with GM 4, but why not GM 3 (which, IME, worked well in FF prior to the introduction of WebExtensions)? — Makyen ♦ 59 secs ago
 
7:33 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I mean, if by moving it from location A to location B it gains 900% increased click rate, clearly moving it has affected user engagement with it. I don't think claiming it's old location isn't why it wasn't getting clicks holds water, if moving it clearly changes that. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
@KevinB If I moved some yard decorations directly into the pathway from your front door to your car, there's an increased chance you are forced to interact with it, accidentally or not, am I right? — Drew Reese 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
You are correct, however, my point is the location is absolutely part of the problem. The right column is filled with garbage, moving garbage out of it and into a more prominent location will increase interaction with that garbage. — Kevin B 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
And Fareanor's point isn't that the location is what made it garbage, but the fact that it's already just garbage. — Drew Reese 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
Yes, however, that's not the point of this change, ;) It wasn't an investigation in how to make related questions better, it was an investigation into reducing the bounce rate. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
Is the point then something about polishing a turd? 🤷🏻‍♂️ — Drew Reese 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
What i don't get is why there was such support for the overall initiative, when changes like this is precisely what they were obviously looking for. "In 2022, 82% of our traffic came from organic search. For the most part, these users visit one page and bounce, never exploring further or engaging with the community."Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
(But tag wikis get like, no traffic. They're pretty useless when it comes to this. No one really pays attention to them. Getting people to pay attention to them is a lot harder than posting a new question for each thing.) — Makoto 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
And note, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules, but practicality beats purity. — Makoto 1 min ago
 
8:03 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I'd rather not have this information stuck in a tag wiki. I'd prefer an actual post I can follow to get updates. — VLAZ 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by V2Blast
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
"Out of the 21,595 responses to the survey year to date, only 11% of participants mentioned that discoverability was one of the most valuable aspects of Stack Overflow." I'm not sure those respondents meant "new feature" discoverability. I think they meant "the answer I'm looking for" discoverability. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I appreciate this effort. I think the most important change that could be implemented, process-wise, is to make a new featured announcement post on Meta (Meta.SO if it is SO-specific, or Meta.SE if multiple sites), at least 24 hours before any new change (like this) is pushed live. Inherent in that change is not using any pre-existing A/B test thread as the announcement that it is live. — TylerH 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@TylerH is 24 hours enough time to prevent a release based on community feedback? Because I don't just want to be told something is happening. I'd rather have a say if and how it does. Although, for the record - do not have an issue with the plagiarism flag. That already involved discussion with mods before it was announced for release. But the Related thing was a mistake based on Related failing at its job. Feedback which I feel would have been crucial and should have prevented rolling out the feature. I feel if SE already made the decision, such feedback wouldn't have mattered. — VLAZ 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
@dylan-myers I'd be really curious to see some examples where you found the related questions list actually useful, because I and apparently everyone else here has had the opposite experience. Being in the "Meta community" has nothing to do with that, unless you're implying that that changes the list of questions presented for some reason. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@VLAZ probably not, but "allow for feedback first to determine whether to proceed with a new feature" is an entirely different request. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@TylerH yet one required if our feedback is supposed to be taken to the teams. Otherwise it means the feedback doesn't matter. I was told it is about collecting feedback.when I pointed out the problem with lack of announcements ahead of releases. So, to recap, if we have no say after announcing a feature, then we need to provide such feedback partially blind ahead of time. I'd rather just not bother in that case. — VLAZ 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I agree that basing their new features on feedback from us is desired, but that is a separate, distinct issue from going live with new features without announcing that they are about to go live with them. Please do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good; having 24 hours of advance notice of an impending change is significantly better than no advance notice (or acknowledgement, period). — TylerH just now
 
8:58 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rosie
@TylerH We in deed planning on announcing experiments for this prior to them going live so that the community has a heads up that something will be released. — Rosie ♦ 1 min ago
 
9:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ryan M
I only suggested 4 of the 6 :-) I can't take all the credit. — Ryan M ♦ 45 secs ago
 
9:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David C. Rankin
New move of related questions SUCKS (sorry, but sometimes better not to sugar coat). The problem is they are way down at the bottom after one or more lengthy answers are given. They were far better out of the way in the right-sidebar, especially on SO where the "Related" questions -- never are. — David C. Rankin 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
I can see how from this description it came across as having the information "stuck" in a tag wiki. However, that is not the only place for this, but that is the place for a stale table of what happened when which seems to be the topic here. The table should be kept in the wiki, the updates should be posts for discussion or whatnot, each as an individual post, and the table should link to the posts. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
Soon: "Click again to see the second half of the top answer!" => +1,000,000% CTR! Success!! — Michael 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blue Robin
@HereticMonkey If you don't care, why does it matter if I update it either way? I guess I could stop, but it doesn't matter right? — Blue Robin 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
@Makoto - I wasn't really trying to infer that no individual posts be made, so much as the home for a table with constant updates is in a tag wiki. I tried to edit the clarification into this answer. — Travis J 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@TravisJ: No no, I'm fine with the solution in all actuality, I'm just playing Devin's Advocate here. I think that tag wikis are the right choice here, but I can see the practical decision as well. — Makoto 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I don't care if you get banned or unbanned, but it matters that you update it, since the question reappears on the front page, making me wonder if something important has changed. — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Blue Robin
@HereticMonkey I didn't know that edited posts do that. Alright then, I'll stop. Thanks — Blue Robin 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
Tag wikis are such a neglected area, but if you look at some of the old school well maintained ones (JavaScript, C#), there is a whole wealth of information there. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wjandrea
Minimizing to the sidebar is how I'd do it personally. — wjandrea 1 min ago
 
10:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
Thinking about this, I'm coming to the realization that I find the inertia to engage and leave feedback on initiatives simply too high. If we engage, it's a fair sentiment to presume we'd have a dialog, but I don't recall the last engaging dialog we had on a feature or design they wanted to roll out since the profile page (and even then, we had to kinda drag it out of 'em). — Makoto 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
I guess it keeps us in this unwinnable position, and I don't really believe that showing these results now would "fix" it. It speaks to a deeper issue with how we communicate with Stack Overflow, in all frankness. It's something we were hoping would have been addressed with the coming of Philippe + 12 months + α, but I don't think we're there yet. — Makoto 1 min ago
 
10:43 PM
My impression is that the useless shoved-in-your-face "[un]related questions" mess is no longer an experiment, but it's here to stay. I'd argue that for non-experiments it would be especially critical to announce substantial changes like this. — Andras Deak -- Слава Україні 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@TravisJ I regularly use the JS wiki. However, I don't really expect to have to keep checking it to keep myself up to date. The information there is well-established, so I can have quick access to it. A table that will keep being updated I will keep having to go look up every...what, few days? Weeks? An uncertain amount of time, thus the only way for me to be up to date is to keep checking all the time. Or we can have a notification going out to all interested. Consider meta.stackexchange.com/q/59445 or meta.stackexchange.com/q/386360 as examples of maintained tables. — VLAZ 15 secs ago
"It will hinder progress, hide feedback, and create stale content". Sounds like [by-design] to me. Decrease the amount of feedback (by virtue of people not finding these future "announcements"), and let the little feedback that goes through stay tucked away in some dump of a Q&A thread. "Need to know" basis and all that. — Andras Deak -- Слава Україні 1 min ago
 
11:34 PM
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11:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
" I imagine the chances are almost nil" <- Why is not almost 100%? A link to the source makes it not-plagiarism, doesn't it? — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@tdy: If users think that, are they not correct? There is no requirement of originality in SO posts, is there? — einpoklum 34 secs ago
 

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