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3:01 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
@EdMorton IMO it's the same thing, and your comments complaining now are meaningless: "If we're not allowed to direct people to the someone answers page then why does it exist?" - You are, it's status declined, the mod note at the top says they're not moving forward with it. "This new rule" isn't a new rule. — Nick stands with Ukraine 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheFungusAmongUs
@EdMorton While I disagree with the rule, that first comment, "and then fix that", is a bit condescending — TheFungusAmongUs 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TheFungusAmongUs
@NickstandswithUkraine Isn't the status-declined only to say that they wouldn't be warned? The comment would still be deleted, as it was in the past. — TheFungusAmongUs 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
@TheFungusAmongUs Yes, but all comments are still deletable. By saying "We won't tell you off, but the comments will be deleted if flagged" they're effectively saying that doing it is acceptable. So it's not a rule, it's a recommendation. — Nick stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Trilarion the purpose that the accept votes also awards reputation is because that allows new sites to kickstart even if all the established users go away. Imagine that everyone with reputation >1 disappear tomorrow, who will have any privilege to do anything? — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Morton
@TheFungusAmongUs Not sure what wording you'd prefer I use to help people correct their previous posts. To me "and fix that" just seems like exactly the correct phrasing for what they should do. But anyway, we're nit-picking here, the point is my comment isn't begging for votes or doing anything negative - just guiding the user to the page that explains what to do if/when they get answers. — Ed Morton 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
There's nothing to "correct", a lack of acceptance or voting isn't an issue that needs fixed. — Nick stands with Ukraine 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gimby
@CodyGray I find it more likely that it is not pressure but impression. People are impressed a little too easily. Big numbers tend to do that, as do status symbols like white coats or "mod" labels. That's how people tick, you can't really change it. And you can't really say that Stack Overflow makes it hard for people to be impressed, the big numbers and labels are put front and center. — Gimby 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ed Morton
@NickstandswithUkraine it is if they want to keep getting answers. The idea that people will keep getting answers if they never accept any is just absurdly unrealistic. Imagine someone keeps asking you for help and every time you help them they turn around and walk away without acknowledging your help. Would you really keep rushing to help them? Yes, there are people who would keep helping them anyway but those people are living in a monastery in Tibet and not participating in only forums. — Ed Morton 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
@EdMorton I didn't think anyone wrote answers to help individuals, we write answers to help everyone who will visit. Who cares about whether or not the asker accepts or upvotes when there are other users that'll get helped by the answer. A token thanks is just a token, it doesn't mean anything — Nick stands with Ukraine 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Thank you for reminding me the second time I live in Tibet monastery, @EdMorton. You'd be surprised to know that far from a couple of individuals contribute not because they want to get gratitude but... just because. Speaking of your hypothetical example - yes, so long as it helps others too, which has always been our goal on Stack Overflow. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
This is actually inline code, not a code block/fence or snippet; which is what the OP appears to be asking about. — Larnu 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Since this is going downhill fast (on something we've already decided not to do) I've comment locked this for now. If you want to debate the usefulness of certain comments, go start another post. — Machavity ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
Eh, saying where the backtick is on a keyboard is pointless. It's fully dependent on your keyboard layout. On the English layout, it's to the left of 1. On my layout, it's to the left of backspace — Zoe stands with Ukraine ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
Yeah, for me it's definitely not where you said it would be — Dharman ♦ 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I'm not even sure what layout the user here has. On a US English keyboard it's the same key as a tilda (~) (which are left of 1). On an English UK, the backtick (`) is in the same place but the tilda is above the right shift with the hash (#) character. For an AZERTY keyboard, it appears to be in the 7 key, and on a QWERTZ keyboard it's right of backspace. I've no idea which layout has the tilda key above the backtick key. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
@Larnu A mac keyboard. — khelwood just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Looks like the same key to me again, @khelwood ; though it's in different position again (right of the left shift). Of course Apple wanted to be different though... — Larnu 10 secs ago
 
4:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
@CodyGray 1. I suspect you're influenced by a selection bias. As a mod, most of the comments you see are going to be through flags, which means you'll probably be seeing more egregious examples than is actually typically. 2. It is amazingly ironic that a moderator would complain about a power differential. Consider yours compared to us. You have repeatedly denigrated our motives as a community here. How do you think that makes us feel? 3. Correlations mean nothing. Summary statistics can only disprove a claim, not prove one. There are infinite third factors possibly at play in a correlation. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
4. Not all pressure is bad. Pressure that leads to good behavior is positive. 5. A dinner you pay for is not comparable to an answer received for free, and a tip is not comparable to an accept that costs the asker nothing. Nor is a volunteer site where we can use all the help we can get comparable to a restaurant where you pay for service. Nor is encouraging users to participate in the site's normal operation after they've already taken steps to do so the same as asking for a tip. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
6. A power differential doesn't mean we should stop trying to educate users. The reputation we have worked hard to accumulate doesn't make it impossible for us to do something good. By that logic, we should stop posting answers because our reputation makes us too intimidating. 7. I suspect that even low quality answers that get accepted nearly always provide a superficial solution to the problem. We can't help if users don't know how to tell good and bad answers apart; all we can do is teach and let them gain experience slowly. That doesn't mean we should pass up an easy teaching opportunity. — jpmc26 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpmc26
8. If you're insisting that people are accepting garbage answers not because they think the answer is good but because they have been bullied, you are trying to force your opinion by trying to get this policy accepted. — jpmc26 54 secs ago
 
4:51 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
You have nearly 20k rep — why are you still chasing acceptances? — Dan Bron 47 secs ago
 
5:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@CodyGray is the load on moderators something that is not flagged? This is just a short-circuit to the usual behavior of flag comment > moderator read comment > moderator deletes comment. Or are you guys hunting these down when they are not flagged? — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adam Lear
Sorry about that. I manually awarded your badge for this year's survey. Thanks for filling it out! — Adam Lear ♦ 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by cigien
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Yeah, the guidance still stands: edit out, flag if rolled back. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
As ironic as it looks given the latest Meta debacle, it's actually a pretty common occurence - I see it from time to time on posts. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bender the Greatest
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Is it still recommended to flag in the case of rollback or is it now better to rollback the rollback for the automatic flag? — Bender the Greatest 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick stands with Ukraine
@BendertheGreatest It's always preferred to manually flag over trying to rely on the automatic flags — Nick stands with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
That is a good question - in all rollback wars I've been a part of as an active editor, it's better to flag manually before it becomes a mess for the mods to handle. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
In my experience, if you roll the stubborn user's rollback, they become increasingly frustrated and lock in to their behavior quickly, so I stopped waiting for autoflags long ago. Besides, users often desist without the need to lock the post when they see their edit overruled by a mod (some are exceptionally tough, but at this point the mod is already involved and will issue a lock and/or a message to them should they persist). — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine
Right now, your undeleted questions have a net score of -2. Please do keep in mind that deleted questions count against your account too, so you'll probably need to edit them too to lift the ban. — EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Cordes
@CodyGray: There are upsides to using a dup-hammer to close a question as a duplicate, as a proxy for lacking MCVE and otherwise unanswerable (especially in low-traffic tags), as long as the duplicate you choose is likely helpful given the limited info in the question. In that case I'd always comment, too. For me in SO's x86 / assembly tags, I sometimes do that partly because I don't want to waste my close vote on other reasons when it will almost certainly turn out to be a duplicate of something if the OP does bother to clarify. Since you only get one, and can't change it to dup after. — Peter Cordes 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rgettman
@CodyGray "Our hope is to not have any suspensions, save the routine violators who insist on continuing to remind others to vote or accept." It may an implication, but is a suspension not a penalty? A gentle reminder that votes and accepts exist is just one way we can teach users how the site works, along with not posting links/images to code in their questions, giving detailed error messages, etc. I don't doubt there's a lot moderator work in cleaning up clutter around the site, but if I think it guides the user and helps the site, then I'll post it. — rgettman 1 min ago
 
5:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rgettman
@CodyGray Sure, there is a "power dynamic", but I endeavor always to exhibit exemplary behavior when posting, whether I have 172k or 172 or 1, and I hope everyone does the same. I understand the need to be gentle. I lurked for over a month after I joined in 2012 before posting - observing and learning the site. And on my first answer, someone posted something like, "Isn't this answer repeating another answer?", which I now understand to be part of a First Posts review. Thankfully, 2 people upvoted my answer, and if they hadn't, I would have abandoned my account. I understand. — rgettman 56 secs ago
 
6:06 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bender the Greatest
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Man, you are right. While there are definitely some false positives, the number of results which do actually ask for upvotes is surprisingly high (query: is:answer please upvote). — Bender the Greatest 30 secs ago
 
6:19 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Yeah, @BendertheGreatest, unfortunately, upvote begging is unsurprisingly common. Although sometimes there are funny results like "please stop upvoting this" :) — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bender the Greatest
I guess folks are better behaved under the tags I watch lol. Interestingly enough I'm seeing many positive hits under the javascript and java tags, although this is just in the UI search, I haven't written a SEDE query or anything. — Bender the Greatest 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Yeah, it often correlates with a tag being popular with low entry bar. Where I participate (a strict subset of TS), it's a non-issue too. Scales with size, I guess. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
 
6:54 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You might want to raise a concern on the feedback post of theirs — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe stands with Ukraine
 
7:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Braiam You can always ask or answer something. No reputation needed for that. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
The system already has a way to deal with lack of people with reputation. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
In favor. Are you going to turn this into a [feature-request] post? — Ann Zen 1 min ago
 
7:36 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
It definitely doesn't seem any longer this year than in previous years. I'm surprised you remember it being shorter in previous years; that does not match with my experience. It's always been a pretty lengthy survey, as far as surveys go. — Cody Gray ♦ 23 secs ago
 
7:57 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
seems like there'd be an easy solution to being blocked due to using Tor. — Kevin B just now
 
8:21 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
The tags have been synonymised. — Dharman ♦ 58 secs ago
 
8:44 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
I'd go with that proposal in a heartbeat - accept mark is a relic of support forums of the old that somehow made it into the Q&A format. It adds nothing of value (no, acceptance says 0 about the quality of an answer), in many cases is harmful (to a degree that even SE, Inc realised it's a problem and unpinned them), and also causes a lot of noise because users beg for accepts in comments. Unfortunately, it's up to SE, Inc to deal the finishing blow to it, and you know how long it takes them to do anything, so... maybe, some day. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
but mah rep points — Kevin B 1 min ago
 
9:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris_Rands
@CodyGray That is ironic, I clearly didn't finish it- maybe my perception changed, I am busier these days. But there must be an objective answer on whether it is longer or shorter than previous years? And do they use the incomplete survey results? — Chris_Rands 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
I don't like the idea of getting rid of an existing signal that many find valuable. Discussions can be had regarding the misinterpretation of that signal, but I feel that acceptance is a valuable indicator to many, many folks. Acceptance is the one signal that the OP of a question gets to contribute to, and I don't think getting rid of that would be good. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Trilarion you need people to be able to vote, to rank content. That is a privilege, that if no one has and there isn't reputation for accepts, no one will have. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@KevinB really? Can you list them? Put us all on 1 reputation, with the current privilege rules. How could we close a question? Upvote useful answers? Downvote questions without research? Edit? Comment? — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Just help campaign for SE to finally untie the privilege system from the wretched reputation thing and change it to something at least remote useful - progression-based, @Braiam, and we won't have a problem with lack of users with curation privileges no matter the rep. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 50 secs ago
 
10:02 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
And that indicator is utterly wrong, @zcoop98. One of the biggest problems with it precisely stems from the fact that it is an indicator for many. It tells nothing about the quality of the post. It is contrary to our goal of helping everyone. It handicaps newer answers. It generates noise. It reduces the chances more answers can be posted as users skip questions that have an accepted answer. There is not a single benefit to it. — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 1 min ago
 
10:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@Braiam how do you think new sites get started? — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4581301
But I just bought a new pitchfork! Man, I never get to have fun! — user4581301 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
We could keep the acceptance as a signal, but abolish the 15 rep reward. That would remove most of the incentive to encourage people to accept your answer. — khelwood 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter is with Ukraine
Yeah, I'd go for the abolishment of rep while keeping the accept mark. At least that would mitigate half the problems it would generate. Oh, but you see, it will take away the precious incentive to participate, who will post all those mega-duplicates and then nag to accept then? /s — Oleg Valter is with Ukraine 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
@Sean Done. Let us know if there's any that don't make sense (or feel free to edit them yourself ;)) — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
 
10:56 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
No one's going to call out the fact that the OP formatted Laravel as code? That only bothers me? Oh well.. — Heretic Monkey 7 secs ago
 
11:11 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Drew Reese
Basically almost exactly what some here are doing manually because the system isn't great at providing the guidance itself, and Cody wants the "pressure" to come from the system instead of users because of power dynamics and bullying. I can support this. By eliminating the X problem of "thanks, it works" comments by askers it also removes the Y problem of "thanks for the thanks but here's how the site is supposed to work" comments by others just trying to be helpful. Seems win-win IMO. — Drew Reese 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@OlegValteriswithUkraine do you know of anywhere I can read this proposal in more detail? — Karl Knechtel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Ransom
@Juraj I use downvotes for questions that are poorly asked, and close votes for questions that never should have been asked in the first place. When in doubt, I don't do either. — Mark Ransom 39 secs ago
 
11:36 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
It's not a very good question, to be honest since as written, I don't see it being helpful for future visitors to the site. Perhaps it was best to have left it deleted. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 1 min ago
 
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