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12:12 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
There is certainly a vocal minority of users that are loud about who should have access to what. Perhaps the word "welcoming" should be thrown out in describing these more nuanced complexities, or perhaps it is used to trigger said group. Regardless, surveys don't really help anyway, leadership should have already been aware of community sentiment without having to ask, if they would only participate. — Travis J 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DeanOC
I'm also finding it quite distracting. Just having the eye in the tag to indicate watched would be sufficient for me. — DeanOC 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
Mistakes with markup can happen, BUT... isn't there a live preview right below the edit box, allowing the user to proof-read their post as many times as necessary? Isn't there the feature to edit the question even after it was posted (allowing for further proof-reading and potential corrections? (I've never asked a question, but when I tried it now, the button seemed to say "Review your question", so I presume there's yet another stage allowing for corrections in the process). With all that, why do we still end up with so many malformed questions? Is that really a design issue or does PEBKAC? — Dan Mašek 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wizzwizz4
@DanMašek Most noob formatting errors are local optima of correctness. To correct the formatting, you have to first break it. (Meaning you have to know what you're working towards, meaning you have to know Markdown syntax.) — wizzwizz4 23 secs ago
 
12:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
If they really wanted to make an impact, they should launch new innovative products detached from the tired old Q&A model, for instance, targeted towards absolute beginners. It must be possible to find a model where users don't turn into curmudgeons that resist newcomers and Eternal September is prevented or sufficiently mitigated. There are so many exciting possibilities. — Peter Mortensen 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
A spare console.log in the production code was added around to the JS around there very recently. In full.en.js, look for the line: if (console.log(`ignored: ${c}, interested: ${l}`),CertainPerformance 1 min ago
 
1:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@AnnZen Uhm... a dupehammer who answers, deletes their answer and then hammers the question (and hours apart to boot) is not the same thing — Machavity ♦ 30 secs ago
 
1:25 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Come one, people. Downvoting the rare positive story??? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
Okay. You've clearly had poor experience(s), and it's great to want to rectify the factors that caused that experience. But the two main tenants of your post are both based on personal anecdotes and negative assumptions about why other people do what they do. Why should you get the benefit of the doubt when you don't give other honest curators the same? How do you know they're downvoting for petty reasons? Here's a secret: when you expect everyone on the platform to be working against you (be it through downvotes, hostility, or otherwise), you will almost always be right. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ann Zen
@Machavity I see. So just to be clear, that is not a flag-worthy case, right? — Ann Zen 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
@AnnZen Not really. If the dupehammer has an undeleted answer, flag it. Plenty of hammers answer things, delete their and hammer them. I want to say I might have done it once or twice — Machavity ♦ 57 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Berriel
I find it much better when I change only the color to yellow, instead of the background-color. The default background with the same yellow as color looks nice in Dark Mode, IMO. — Berriel just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by zcoop98
If there are issues of abusive comments, flag them. If you find a post is closed that shouldn't be, vote to reopen it. If you find a tag or question where downvotes are used in a way you find questionable, feel free to bring it up here on meta– with specifics, resisting the urge to make broad, generalized arguments and rants. Using the tools at your disposal well is the best possible thing you can do to help make the site welcoming to newcomers and useful to future visitors. — zcoop98 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
So upvote the existing posts about this issue by DBS, 0stone0, Tschallacka, and Rubén — already status-review. — Sebastian Simon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MFerguson
Bruh TLDR. For real though, answering in the comments should be bannable offense. I don't need some 400k rep guy stealing my reputation on those juicy, easy questions — MFerguson just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
"More and more questions receive no answer". Oh, are they? This is not supported by data - the discrepancy between posted and answerless questions has been stable for more than half a decade (with the only recent drop in 2021, but I suspect it is related to the overall participation drop that year). — Oleg Valter 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
And speaking of the exchange that likely prompted this post, the only unfriendly comment I see belongs to you that is telling a person who left a constructive comment to basically "f**k off". — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by richardec
What even is the point of this post? As if SE will implement the feature, if anyone even determines what it should be?? — richardec 15 secs ago
 
2:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
May I recommend trying my dark mode instead? — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
I only write answers, I probably answered 100-150 questions just last year. Currently sitting at nearly 1,500 answers on my main community. My experiences don’t match your description of the answering experience. What I have experienced is users asking barely understandable questions, and getting upset, when those questions are closed and downvoted. If enough users voted that +100 comment has not being necessary it would be deleted by a moderator. The author of that YouTube video is most definitely a troll.Security Hound 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Could have fooled me since the author literally indicates the user who submitted an answer to their question should be paid. — Security Hound 46 secs ago
 
2:57 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TomServo
Or @PeterMortensen perhaps they should go the other way -- expect newbies study a text, do some examples, do online tutorials, and learn to think rather than copy and paste. I know reading a book sounds crazy, but it's the way many of us learned programming in languages where you (!) had to allocated and free memory. Hard to imagine right? — TomServo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
@OlegValter Don't forget to flag Meckis comment as what it is, rude. That's what Mecki would want you to do, because that's their issue #2 and he is surely no hypocrite. — Tom 1 min ago
 
3:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user2357112 supports Monica
@TomServo: Like it or not, designing around actual human behavior and psychology is important. You can't get anything useful done by just expecting people to behave certain ways. — user2357112 supports Monica 1 min ago
 
 
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4:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dwjohnston
Dare I say it's worse in the light threme. — dwjohnston 25 secs ago
 
 
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5:35 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joundill
I think we should have giant "watched" tags there instead, and it'd look better if the queues weren't all visible above the fold. — Joundill 1 min ago
 
6:07 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mcy
oh for God's sake can you please stop using extreme warning/alert colors out of context in the ui? — mcy 19 secs ago
 
6:19 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bernhard Barker
It looks like a gold badge...? Also, I find the contrast between white (in the light theme) and that shade of yellow to (literally) be physically painful to look at, so that's not good. — Bernhard Barker 57 secs ago
 
6:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
You surely got a point. If one writes "Unwelcoming community" one should also write "Crappy Design" or "Poor Questions" instead of "Design" and "Question quality". Also the order of the options is confusing. Sometimes from bad to good, sometimes from good to bad, sometimes left to right, sometimes up to down. And "How often have you stopped from participating?" sounds a bit strange to me (especially with the Always option). — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Dharman "I can never understand why people are asking about my race...." In order to make sure that race really doesn't matter you have to be obsessed with it and ask for it all the time. No data, no insight. If however, in your corner of the world, people are already more advanced, then this would not be needed anymore. I guess the overall idea is that we all get there eventually. — Trilarion 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
I take it you mean outside users are people who never registered an account or asked a question, then just hit Google and usually land in SO somewhere when looking for the answer to their problem? You've a reasonable point, but it seems more like it's crossing into that tangent I mentioned in the comments of duplicate management and how to make the duplicating system useful. Ideally all roads would lead to Rome, and "what is a null reference exception?" Rome wouldn't be a festering cesspit of 30 answers that are everything between a 500 page document on c# memory management and a one line .. — Caius Jard 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
.. code fix. Because it is equally useless to say "go the the city library and read everything; your answer is in there somewhere". Some dupe targets need a cull, perhaps from an SME, rather than letting SO content be a "fully designed by committee" all the time. Is it a viable dupe management strategy to spread them out over the paths that lead to Rome? To consider that every situation is slightly different, to post an exact answer to the OP's exact problem and then also clobber it as a duplicate? Perhaps then any answers posted on such should convert to CW, which I believe zcoop suggested.. — Caius Jard 10 secs ago
 
7:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Caius Jard
..and I now, in conjunction with your answer, see more of the logic behind the approach. It diverges from the site mission to concentrate all the same problems in the same place though, and perhaps hands the problem of "find me a person with the same problem as me, so I can see what they were told the solution was" to Google; stackoverflow is no longer concentrating the knowledge of duplicates, Google is. Is that valid? To take a "human considers your problem to be the same as this one" and give it to an AI instead? Does answering and closing allow us to keep both? — Caius Jard 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Wait, are you saying there are other countries in the world than USA? But that would mean that all surveys SO has ever published are heavily biased. Oh wait... — Lundin 1 min ago
 
7:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ayxan Haqverdili
How so? The problem was that the most insignificant thing was yelling "ACTION NEEDED", still hasn't changed. — Ayxan Haqverdili 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by intotecho
Not sure why the comment is not formatted correctly in this answer: stackoverflow.com/a/68231330/2023941intotecho 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
This survey is the offspring of the "Welcoming Wagon" confusion that occurred several years back by now. It was a failure to recognize the source of this "unwelcomeness", which is that the very core design of this site uses public shaming as a means of moderation. After 10+ years of using this as the very foundation of SO, we know that public shaming is somewhat effective when it comes to preserving technical quality content, but it is horrible for human interaction and community building. -> — Lundin 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Nobody likes criticism no matter how valid, and especially nobody likes it in public. One of the very first things you learn as a somewhat competent manager is: praise your employers loud and in public, but criticize them discreetly and in private. Otherwise you will get a hostile reaction to the criticism and as a consequence the criticized person is far less likely to change their behavior. And so people will always feel very unwelcome here by design. You can't fix it unless you re-design the very core of the site. End of story. — Lundin 19 secs ago
 
7:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
A few thoughts about this whole "watched" UI thing. 1) Are there actually any users of this site who don't know which tags they are watching? 2) Are people actually browsing the site by checking the top questions list at stackoverflow.com and then scroll down until they find something interesting? I thought the vast majority clicked on their watched tags to bring up every question about that specific topic, then move on to the next tag of interest. At least that's how I always used the site myself. The main page drowns in a flood of things I have no interest in. — Lundin 1 min ago
 
8:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by holydragon
I feel more like it is "watching" me rather than I am "watching" it. — holydragon 57 secs ago
 
8:15 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
"And so people will always feel very unwelcome here by design." <- There's some logical jump with this sentence which I couldn't follow. Do you mean the fact that we are / I am criticizing SE inc publicly reduces the chance of them changing their behavior? — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@Lundin: By "public shaming", do you mean downvoting, or put-downs in comments? — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@einpoklum Yes, but also polite and valid criticism. And close votes. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rbrayb
Completely agree, Please move the top 1%, top 10% etc. tags somewhere else. I find it a potent weapon to get contracting jobs! — rbrayb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
It's better because it's not making the question take up that much more space. Note, "better" is not necessarily "good". — Cerbrus 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave Cousineau
it's way too bright on dark theme — Dave Cousineau 18 secs ago
 
8:45 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
Huh, coderanch is imho very bad to mention. It is probably the nightmare of the java googlers of the last decades. (I did not vote this answer) — peterh 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by walen
Well, I for one think that this is way better than the big gold WATCHED we had before which I had absolutely no idea what it meant (I thought it was bookmarked questions). At least now it's clear it refers to tags. And does not change left stats layout. — walen 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
First real question, what do I find most frustrating: "Moderation (Issues with moderation, curation, and/or the system being overzealous in some way)" I find moderation most frustrating, but for the opposite reason of what's written there. Again, the implication that moderation is overzealous... — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by walen
It's also better because now it is clear it's a tag thing. When I first saw the "Watched" badge next to a question, I thought it meant I was "following" that question (bookmarked, commented, whatever). It wasn't until I read some comments in the Meta thread that I learned its purpose. — walen 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Yikes, that free entry field is just not styled at all... It should be as wide as the button above it. — Cerbrus 16 secs ago
 
9:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Lundin: It also seems to lack a userbase... At least it no longer looks like a SO clone now that SO has been redesigned. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Lundin "polite and valid criticism" isn't "public shaming". Nor are close-votes. That perception is the problem. If one can't take "polite and valid criticism", then maybe the internet is just the right place not for that person. — Cerbrus 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Cerbrus See: here I am forwarding valid and constructive criticism about SO's core design in public and already people are already snapping back. There doesn't exist a single human being who likes to be criticized and it's well-known that a lot of people don't handle (justified and/or non-constructive) criticism well - especially when that criticism is handed out in public. Blocking some 10 to 50% (?) of all humans from using the Internet or this site because they don't handle criticism well isn't a very productive suggestion. — Lundin 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Btw I (subjectively) find engineers and computer nerds with technical expertise such as myself to be especially bad at handling criticism, whenever they feel their expertise in a certain topic questioned. SO is also designed to gather as many such people as possible together. — Lundin 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Cerbrus Overall this reminds me of when the subway company where I live installed dangerous ticket gates everywhere, which would repeatedly injure people walking through them. The company's response to this was that people walked in the wrong way and they published learning materials teaching people how to walk through a ticket gate. But obviously the way humans walk isn't the problem, because it's been the same since the dawn of time. Claiming that "some humans walk wrong" wasn't the problem, the core design of the ticket gates was. — Lundin 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Lundin, you're equating "valid and constructive criticism" to "public shaming". That's just simply incorrect. It's villainizing the users that give criticism, as if their feedback is "offensive". If someone perceives constructive criticism as "public shaming", they honestly need a reality check. — Cerbrus 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mukyuu
You don't need to do anything to fix it tbf. Not worth the effort. Nonetheless if you really want to bump the question you can tag the gold badger or go to chat room. — Mukyuu 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I don't see how that ticket gates design has anything to do with my comment about "public shaming"... — Cerbrus 50 secs ago
 
9:54 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by kaya3
@Lundin "Are people actually browsing the site by checking the top questions list at stackoverflow.com and then scroll down until they find something interesting?" If you watch enough tags, the home page will be almost exclusively questions with watched tags. So yes, there are lots of people (including me) who mainly find questions of interest from the home page. — kaya3 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg V. Volkov
Why, "How frequently have you have stopped yourself from participating (asking, answering, voting, or commenting) on Stack Overflow Q&A because you’re worried about having a negative experience?" is perfectly fine when I wish to say "I stopped because I worry getting afoul of repressive woke policies." — Oleg V. Volkov 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Cerbrus It is perceived as public shaming by people who respond poorly to criticism, because everything posted is public, visible to the whole world and potentially also permanent. One does not need to possess a whole lot of empathy to realize this... The ticket gate anecdote is very relevant because here you are arguing that humans don't respond poorly to public criticism - it is a fact that they do. The problem isn't that some humans are unsuitable to use this site, but that the site is designed to forward a lot of criticism to someone in public. — Lundin 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Lundin: Again, the perception that it's public shaming is just wrong. It's feedback, it's public, but there is absolutely no shame in it. I'm not arguing that "humans don't respond poorly to public criticism" I'm saying that the perception that "public constructive feedback" equals "shaming" is so horrendously wrong, it villainizes the one giving feedback. There, the one receiving the feedback has to understand that constructive feedback is in no way "shameful". It's a tool, it's educational, it's good for you. So don't victimize yourself if someone's trying to help you. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
People respond poorly to feedback because it attacks their ego. They can't handle being told they're wrong, and in that sense, they may feel shamed, but that is their problem that they need to deal with. If you can't handle feedback, the person giving the feedback isn't at fault, and certainly isn't "shaming". — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
I think instead of the US-centric (and, imho, nearly meaningless) "race" division, the first language and the originating country of the user might be much more useful data. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@peterh: I actually answered both the gender and the race question with "My [gender/race] is irrelevant to the use of a public Q/A platform" :D — Cerbrus 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Cerbrus Another anecdote: back in uni I was doing a group project with some other students. We proof read each other's work before putting it together. I started by giving my feedback to one of them, entirely constructive but in front of the group. Turned out I was much better at grammar than her so the critique was entirely justified. However, since I was socially awkward/lacked empathy/poor people skills in general, I couldn't foresee that she would take it badly, which she did - she got very pissed off, not very rational. -> — Lundin 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
In retrospect I realized I should just have sent her a private e-mail instead of embarrass her grammar skills in front of the whole group, after which she probably would just have accepted them, updated her work and learnt something in the process - everyone wins. — Lundin 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Lundin: Good example, but that doesn't translate very well to an online platform where everyone is basically anonymous, and where people come already asking for help... — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joundill
@Cerbrus I think you're missing the point Lundin is making a little bit. I don't think they're saying that the intent of down votes or close votes is to shame people publicly, but that people perceive public feedback as public shaming. It's not something you can teach people out of. Even though I know how SO works, I still feel bad when I receive negative feedback on the site, no matter how well intentioned or constructive. It's human nature. I'm sure those feelings are even harder for new users to deal with. — Joundill 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Joundill: and I'm saying that that perception is not SO's problem, it's the user's problem. If the user can't take constructive feedback, the person trying to help them isn't at fault, and certainly shouldn't be accused of "shaming". — Cerbrus 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Cerbrus Well... now, do you realize why I keep making these anecdotes targeting a subway company or myself, instead of commenting directly about your ability to summon the empathy to put yourself in the shoes of an immature programming student posting bad questions on SO? Because it wouldn't be a very nice to hear from some random Internet person that they think you lack empathy, now would it? If it isn't true, then it is offensive. If it is true and valid, then it is very uncomfortable to hear. Either way, such criticism doesn't quite belong on this public discussion forum, right? — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joundill
@Cerbrus Then the solution that follows is new users who find the site unwelcoming because they perceive SO's model of feedback to be public shaming should not use SO? As Lundin said at the start of this chain, "And so people will always feel very unwelcome here by design. You can't fix it unless you re-design the very core of the site. End of story." — Joundill 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
"You lack empathy" isn't constructive, though. It's an accusation. It's emotional, disrespectful, and irrelevant to discourse on SO. Again, I'm trying to prevent well-intending users from being villainized by calling their constructive feedback "shaming". The problem there is the recipient's perception. Taking feedback can be difficult, but that's a problem only the recipient can fix. — Cerbrus 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Joundill: The only way to prevent people (anyone) from being "offended" by feedback is to stop giving feedback altogether. That's not an option. — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh
@Lundin If you help a non-native speaker with your grammar skills, it is f..g big help. A good language teacher might cost $100/hr, that you give her for free. Problem is that public criticism in workplace environment has an existential threat flavor. — peterh 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Cerbrus "I'm saying that the perception that "public constructive feedback" equals "shaming" is so horrendously wrong, it villainizes the one giving feedback." Well, here's the thing, humans do that exactly. Humans equate any criticism with shame (as in "what a shameful behavior, how could you do such X thing that really anyone could do"). That's what Lundin is getting at, describing what humans do. — Braiam 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TomServo
@user2357112supportsMonica Sorry, byt respectfully disagree with your premise. As someone who's been not only a career technologist as well as a leader in military and civilian life, for decades I have definitely altered the behavior of those I've led by clearly stating and then enforcing my expectations. They are terms of employment, kind of like "terms of service." As you say, we must take psychology into account, but we shouldn't kneel before the frailties of the weakest link. Instead we should make the site what it's supposed to be by enforcing expectations that take us there. — TomServo 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Braiam: And I'm saying that the problem there lies with the recipient, and that only the recipient can work on that. — Cerbrus 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
@Cerbrus when the recipient is 95% of all the population, it's really hard to argue that "everyone is wrong". I tried. — Braiam 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I don't believe 95% of SO's userbase can't handle constructive feedback, @Braiam. — Cerbrus 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Anyway to get this discussion back on track, my whole point here is that the whole "welcome wagon" gravely missed the target because they assumed that the problem with "SO is unwelcoming"/"meta is unwelcoming" was the people handing out criticism to new users, which isn't entirely accurate. It is only true when the criticism contains insults, put-downs and so forth but again here comes empathy: why did the person who left such a comment turn hostile in the first place? -> — Lundin 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Now could it be because the question was a shameless, no-effort homework dump expecting volunteers to do all of their homework for them free of charge? Which is incredibly rude behavior. During the welcome wagon, I tried to point out that it was all biased and targetting those leaving comments, but never considered the question. Similar to a parent trying to solve a conflict between two children by always blaiming it on one of them... And that's what this survey does between the lines too. — Lundin 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Lundin turns out we were basically saying the same thing :D — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
I'm rolling my eyes every time I come across a US survey asking for my "race". You know racism is systemic in a country, when you have to answer question about race on an anonymous internet site that does not need to know about your "race" to function. I know they want me to say I'm "caucasian"... except that the last time anybody from my extended family was near the actual Caucasus was 1942 and I'm pretty sure it wasn't well received by the world at large. Mostly because it was kinda racist. Although that might be a little to friendly a word to describe that period of history. — nvoigt 1 min ago
 
11:05 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@nvoigt Ironically, a large part of the population in Caucasus are Muslims. I think the US racist survey expects people from for example Azerbaijan to say that they are from "the Middle East" rather than "Caucasian" even though they most definitely live in the Caucasus region and not in the Middle East (the geographical border to the northern Middle East would be south of Azerbaijan and Armenia). — Lundin 31 secs ago
 
11:27 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Didier L
If you click the code sample button, then paste your code, only the first line will have the code formatting indent. Since most often the code is a function/method, its body is already indented, so as the result it will be formatted as code, although at the same level as the first line. The closing brace has no indent, so it does not get formatted like that. — Didier L 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Didier L
Note that the new editor, that is already in place on meta, does not have the issue since it uses fenced coded blocks already. — Didier L 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Schaller
I realise that I shouldn't care, as explained in this old post meta.stackoverflow.com/q/286239/1690217 but for some reason I do care — Chris Schaller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mena
Surprised this post is still featured in the "hot meta posts" (as opposed to censored right out). Good luck with that anyway, it's been a downward spiral of asinine wokism for several years now around stack exchange. Way past fixing. — Mena 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Dupe hammer is for gold badge holders only, this one was closed by three normal users with close vote privilege, what exactly are you talking about? — Oleg Valter 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Isn't "caucasian" some kind of euphemism, not geographical? — Peter Mortensen 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by double-beep
When this pull request is merged and the changes are deployed, the changed tag will have no colour. — double-beep 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
If I had to guess, I'd say it was the first bad attempt at making it appear less racist. You know, we no longer say "whites/blacks", it's "caucasian/african" and now it's somehow no longer racist. Yeah. As if the choice of words was the problem. — nvoigt 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Schaller
That terminology is my misunderstanding, I'm suggesting that if 3 normal users get it wrong, then the system is broken and clearly 3 normal users cannot be trusted. — Chris Schaller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Well, there is always SOCVR as an option when you see a duplicated answer. But yeah, an in-built way of dsaling with those would be nice. Granted, that's unlikely to happen (SE doing anything for curators is extremely unlikely), but a man can dream, I guess... — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
@Lundin That reminds me of an interview with a somewhat naive Iranian that said he liked Hitler because Hitler propagated that pure Aryans where the best race. And while he had a point, Aryan originally being used to describe descendent of Persia and Iranian culture, I don't think Hitler meant to incorporate any brown skinned black haired muslims into his Reich. So yeah... words... only really mean what the speaker intents and the reciever understands them to mean. — nvoigt 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Dunno, the system looks to be working pretty well if you ask me. Humans are fallible, and there is due process for getting posts reopened in case of an incorrect closure (if it is one, not an SME) - I highly doubt that it will not get reopened if the closure was wrong. — Oleg Valter 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ansgar Wiechers
@Braiam "Humans equate any criticism with shame" What is your solution then? Since people are obviously not allowed to offer any kind of feedback or criticism short of utter praise anymore, how is a tech Q&A site (or any kind of technical discussion for that matter) supposed to operate? — Ansgar Wiechers 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
This seems to be missing that the close voter answered the question that they closed, not necessarily the dupe question that they linked to. — MisterMiyagi 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Schaller
Its just frustrating you see this in a tag domain that you feel overly experienced in, this is not a mistake that should be so easily made. — Chris Schaller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@MisterMiyagi Yeah I noticed just before you posted that comment :) Check edits. — Lundin 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@AnsgarWiechers By providing a mechanism for giving such feedback in private. — Lundin 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
"People are already snapping back" <- But you started this: 1. In a comment thread focusing on something else (though related). 2. Using vague phrasing, 3. Without enough context IMHO for your arguments. — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
You can vote to reopen it. What's the problem? — Dharman 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
"Again, the perception that it's public shaming is just wrong" <- It's "just wrong"... because you say so? Because that's the objective reality? That doesn't matter. Shaming is about perception, so if something is perceived widely enough as shaming, then it is a shaming (though its intent might be different). — einpoklum 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Well, it's not exactly hard to get 3 people to VTC or VTR for that matter. I'd suggest posting a [reopen-pls] in SOCVR, but, unfortunately, you are involved with the post, which would be sgainst the room's rules. You've already cast your reopen vote, is it really that big of a problem if it sits in the queue for a little while? It's kind of at the base of community governance - if 3 people got it wrong, 3 others can set things right. — Oleg Valter 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
I feel like this is putting a rather one-sided spin on things. "Nobody" cares about the second person person because they are actually the tenth, hundredth or more person, and it takes an enormous amount of effort to care about them all. And honestly, I have little sympathy if that second person does "care even less" about the efforts of others, as you say. — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Schaller
I started this post before taking the time consuming actions on the original one to try and salvage it. I guess the system does work, it's just really slow, I guess what I'd like to see is some kind of notification when a post I've votes on is re-opened, then I know to come back and provide an answer. In this case I just happened to have already started an answer. I haven't been introduced to SOCVR yet... so I'll keep that in mind for next time... perhaps the system does work, I just don't know how to make it work. — Chris Schaller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Well... frankly speaking, an optional way of giving private feedback does not seem to be such a bad idea (and would be not that hard to implement by SE given they already built it for articles), might help relieve tensions to some degree. That said, the thing I love the most about SE's model is transparency of actions - nothing good ever came out of opaque practices. I would certainly not give that up in the name of not hurting people's feelings. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Schaller
Thanks for clarification, especially from Oleg, I guess the additional issue is that members like me don't always know where to look for guidance, I want to help and be part of the solution but after getting frustrated by not knowing the expected process, I come here to vent. I know it will get shut down, but its posts like yours that help me learn what the right course of action is. — Chris Schaller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Eh, blame the system for that - I can't argue with it being a bit too slow :) SE relies too much on off-loading curation work on volunteers and does too little to help resolve the bottlenecks that arise due to basically relying on free manual labor to solve complex problems. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Speaking of notifications, btw, you can try following the posts you voted on - if you do, you get notifications on both closure and reopen, pretty useful (although that means you also get notified of every state - comments, answers, edits... Would be nice to have a way of choosing the exact types of actions to follow the post for, but alas) — Oleg Valter 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chris Schaller
We are a community of developers right? If it were open sourced then we could genuinely contribute and help solve the problems. Some of those queues are too daunting to even bother with. As volunteers we don't feel valued, so we start to contribute less when all we are good for is manual labor. I think what I really want is for the closers to be autonotified, I know I can set a notification for me, but i don't actually care about this post, I just want them to learn from their mistakes. Thanks @OlegValter you're really put things into perspective for me. I shall diminish and go into the westChris Schaller 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Can't blame ya, the processes aren't exactly clear and are not very well designed to begin with (well, they were well-designed, but they did not scale well to the current size of SO). P.s. Nothing wrong in venting off on Meta as long as you approach others respectfully (which you did, but many others don't) — Oleg Valter 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
Private feedback: "You're an idiot for writing such trash! Get a different job". or "Don't worry about SQL injection, just use <hack>" Yea, I don't think free-form private messages are in any way a positive addition to public Q/A. There's no public scrutiny of said feedback, and there's way to much room to make the recipient's experience way worse than there is on publicly visible comments. — Cerbrus 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
I see very little use of the version-specific tags. Can all scala questions be retagged scala-2? If not, how do you propose those ~107.000 are retagged? — Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@ChrisSchaller yeah, going open source would be great... Unlikely to happen any time soon, though, given that we are still at the stage where the company tries to relearn the value of user feedback and involving power users in the decision-making process. Speaking of auto-notifications, it does seem like a good idea, I bet there is even a feature request somewhere out there on Meta, but it is really hard to get the company on board with any idea that originates from the community, it kind of operates in a top-down manner (even if the communication has improved slightly recently). — Oleg Valter 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
@Cerbrus yeah, that's the most compelling argument against private feedback. A bully does not stop from being one just because their actions are no longer visible. It might even lead to an effect opposite of what's intended - as I have a suspicion that users, knowing that their actions are available for public scrutiny, are more modest in their responses than they would be in private. I guess that could be mitigated with a sophisticated review system like not sending feedback until it passes peer review of users with the privilege, but that's... hard to do right, and I am unsure if SE can. — Oleg Valter 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Maybe leave everything be as it is? Having both generic and versioned tags in languages that are versioned helps contributors configure what they focus on better whereas the generic tags help identify version-agnostic questions. That said, the problem, as always, is the misuse of tags - is the problem really that significant to warrant a tag removal? — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Metro Smurf
WHAT HORRID CANNIBIS STRAIN HAVE THE UX DESIGNERS BEEN SMOKING? SERIOUSLY, LET ME KNOW SO I CAN AVOID THE STRAIN WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE. Yes, all caps intended b/c this is the most important comment here, just like the "SCREAMING YELLOW". — Metro Smurf 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Metro Smurf
WHAT HORRID CANNIBIS STRAIN HAVE THE UX DESIGNERS BEEN SMOKING? SERIOUSLY, LET ME KNOW SO I CAN AVOID THE STRAIN WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE. Yes, all caps intended b/c this is the most important comment here, just like the "SCREAMING YELLOW". — Metro Smurf 29 secs ago
 
12:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shambhav Gautam
I think we shouldn't retag but make it very clear that you also need a version tag. It's a wonderful coincidence! Just after you posted this, I posted a similar thing but for SDL, I don't want the meta-meta effect, so I won't link it. — Shambhav Gautam 44 secs ago
 
1:17 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
The specifics matter. What did your question ask? how did it ask it? Why did the poster state that it was off-topic and was it closed? Most importantly, have you gone through the help center link? — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rootbeer2017
This was the question: Is there a way to store of all my html program's assets in the program so that people don't have to download a zip file? — rootbeer2017 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
That is a very broad question. Did you include your own research results in the question and use that information to make it more specific? — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sebastian Simon
Is there a way to store of all my html program's assets in the program so that people don't have to download a zip file? is a bit broad. It’s partially an XY problem — why would storing things in the code itself solve the problem of the zip file being too large? Have you considered alternative options such as hosting the game on GitHub? It’s difficult to answer due to the lack of details. — Sebastian Simon 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MisterMiyagi
"but they also gave possible solutions" Did you actually follow any of them? — MisterMiyagi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rootbeer2017
Well, I explained why I needed to do such a thing and I explained what kind of assets I had. I didn't really have any idea where to start, so I didn't have any prior research. — rootbeer2017 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rootbeer2017
Okay, thanks, I understand. — rootbeer2017 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by idmean
@MetroSmurf You don't actually think SE employs UX designers, do you? I can hardly imagine that. If I didn't knew better, I'd think some code kiddies threw that together. — idmean 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leppie
For interest sake, how long was this bug present? It is always 'fun' to have an innocent change expose something a lot worse :D — leppie 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tadeusz Kopec
@Lundin "By providing a mechanism for giving such feedback in private." But the site core is not the interaction between question asker and potential answerer. It is interaction between google user and a content someone has put some time ago. And the most important feedback is "how good/reliable this content is". How can this feedback be private? — Tadeusz Kopec 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@Cerbrus Private as in only visible by trusted users and moderators with a genuine interest of helping the poster. Not people who happen to be technical domain experts but have no interest what-so-ever in site moderation. Another core design mistake of SO is that it mixes up technical domain knowledge with moderator suitability. Looking at some of the best moderators we've had here, they were beginner programmers. Similarly, there is a whole lot of people with very in-depth technical knowledge but non-existent people skills. — Lundin 51 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
Anyway, as interesting as some of these comments might be, lets please try to stay on-topic. My comments regarding the "welcome wagon" are relevant since this survey is a direct result/remain from that era. I actually think that most SO staff who launched/were involved in the "welcome wagon" have left the company since then, so there should hopefully not be some middle-manager around who has invested a ton of prestige in this survey. — Lundin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Teemu
How would you improve a question when the root cause of the error/malfunction/unexpected behavior/result is a typo? — Teemu 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Kelly
@CertainPerformance Oops, thanks for the report, I'll get it cleaned up asap. — Ben Kelly ♦ 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by khelwood
If you penalise people for closing dupes, why would anyone continue doing so? There is no reward for doing it correctly. — khelwood 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ben Kelly
@leppie Judging from the git history, looks like ~4 years now! I think nobody noticed because the likelihood of a user crafting a wildcard search that was both useful and matched incorrect class names was very unlikely. — Ben Kelly ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephen Rauch
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. — Stephen Rauch ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Spectric
@Matt This bug has been patched in v1.4. Thanks for the report! — Spectric 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nbk
i have al list in my brwoser of good and canonical dupe closures for "my tag", most of them are also linked in the tag description, so if you find one, there would be a good place to write and find good dupes — nbk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mark Ransom
@Lundin that's the way I've used StackOverflow from the start. They appear to prioritize the questions with tags you're watching, and deemphasize the colors of questions that don't match. About 80% of what I see on that page is at least moderately interesting. — Mark Ransom 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
At least it isn't monochrome, nondescript icons of hamburgers so I can live with it as well. I agree that it is an improvement over the previous experiment. — Lundin 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roddy of the Frozen Peas
It's rather unreadable in light mode. But it does look good in dark, I agree. — Roddy of the Frozen Peas 26 secs ago
 
2:30 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
It's the eye that is out of alignment, not the tag name text. — TylerH 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Gert Arnold
@OlegValter In my experience, SOCVR is great for easy decisions, not for ones that require content knowledge. Closing question as duplicate is far less successful there than closing for more obvious reasons like missing an MRE or being off-topic. — Gert Arnold 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christopher Rucinski
this looks terrible even in dark mode — Christopher Rucinski 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
There are thousands and thousands of PowerShell questions that are version-specific. Removing major-version PS tags will cause harm to those questions and the site. If your concern is misuse of version tags, cleanup should be your first step, not burnination. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
"I've seen this in a few other forums" Stack Overflow isn't a forum, so it doesn't work like one. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
The accepted answer also isn't always the most upvoted. The answer with the most upvotes is often a far better indicator of what answer should be used (though not always), and hence why it's the default sort order. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
You mean aside from the URL for the answer itself, or the "share" URL available underneath it? Not sure what you're asking for here. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tim
I guess the question is how do you "make it clear" that people should use the scala-2 as well as (or instead of) scala? — Tim 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
I think this is meant to refer to those forums that preview the accepted answer just under the question, but that doesn't really make sense. All answers are answers here, no need to highlight "the" answer separately — Zoe ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christopher Rucinski
Click on any other tab and this helps you quickly pick out the questions that matter to you like your life depended on it. Is this an improvement, absolutely, yes — Christopher Rucinski 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martin Backasch
I guess you want something like "pinning the accepted answer at the top". This was changed last year and was previously discussed there => Please unpin the accepted answer from the top. — Martin Backasch 1 min ago
 
3:15 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sylvester Kruin
I search for the tags I'm interested in. If I feel like answering a Python question, I search python. If I fee like answering a Gtk question, I search gtk. I don't really need a yellow eye telling me what I'm interested in. At this point, I'm questioning the purpose of "watched tags". I may just remove all of mine. — Sylvester Kruin 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christopher Rucinski
@SylvesterKruin sounds like you don't need watched tags if all you do is search for what topics you want to answer. — Christopher Rucinski 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Yeah, but I had enough success cleaning up duplicate answers there to suggest SOCVR as an option - I did not mean it's the option, but it is viable. I would much rather have a dedicated flag type, of course, but alas. — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zoe
None of them are supported. They're allowed to exist in posts, but they still have to come with an on-site MCVE that can be reproduced outside testing sites as well — Zoe ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Miguel Costa
thanks for the feedback, I'll delete the question then. — Miguel Costa 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Miguel Costa
people do seem to adore to downvote stuff — Miguel Costa 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CertainPerformance
See meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/358992/…. for how one should do it on Stack Overflow — CertainPerformance 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MFerguson
Every day we stray further from god — MFerguson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Oleg Valter
Obligatory comment that voting on Meta is different from main, especially because there is no rep involved. Here, votes can express disagreement with the premise, tiredness of seeing the same thing over and over, etc. If I 'd hazard a guess, it's related to you asking about sites using which leads to posters not making their contributions self-contained. On an off-note, you might want to try Software Recommendations, such a question might be on-topic there (consult their help center first, though) — Oleg Valter 1 min ago
 
3:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sylvester Kruin
Yes. When I originally joined Stack Overflow several months ago, I though that "watching" a tag meant that you go notifications for new posts in that tag or something (which I think would be really annoying now), so that's why I have watched tags at all. I guess watched tags are just used by the algorithm that chooses what posts to show in the "interesting questions" tab, which I never use anyway. The system may by pretty good, but I'm best of anyone at finding questions that I personally am interested in. — Sylvester Kruin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by takendarkk
I think it is just showing that 'Clean' is the 'Default'. I don't think it is trying to say they are different. — takendarkk 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MFerguson
Maybe I am color blind or something, hard to unsee the difference now — MFerguson 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by 41686d6564
Even if you select "Extremely satisfied" for the "how satisfied are you with your experience" question, you're still asked "What do you find most frustrating or unappealing about using Stack Overflow?" in the next question. Huh?! — 41686d6564 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Monstah
As a Brazilian, I can definitely agree that the standard US "racial checkboxes" are pretty much BS outside the US (and probably even there). — Monstah 37 secs ago
 
4:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin Krumwiede
Uh oh.... the survey wasn't supposed to be shown to people who hold opinions like these! — Kevin Krumwiede 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Thomas Weller
And why does the survey end so suddenly, when the progress bar is at ~20% — Thomas Weller 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@41686d6564 "Huh?!" Could be a trick question. "How satisfied are you?", "Is there anything you aren't satisfied with?" Such inverse couples of questions are typically used to check the reliability of the surveillant. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Your 4th bullet point does not make any sense to me (like, I have no idea what you're trying to say); I would recommend rewriting it or just removing it. I would also recommend removing the 5th bullet point since is entirely speculation. — TylerH 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@ThomasWeller if the survey finds you're in a bucket that is "full", you get cut out early. — Kevin B 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
But also please add the "Unwelcome Community" as category label that is quite suggestive. I mean, there aren't "crappy questions" or "really bad design" as category labels either. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by einpoklum
@TylerH: Rephrased the fourth point. Is it clearer now? About the fifth point, I qualified it as speculation, but it is actually a reason I want the survey removed. — einpoklum 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@Samathingamajig It's a little unclear, actually, because the website itself has references to non-"js" uses of the term, e.g. "Dexie Cloud" and "Who uses Dexie?". I think [dexie] is clear enough, and certainly is in more popular use than [dexiejs]. — TylerH 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
FWIW I think the actual problems with the survey as it is now present a much stronger case than speculation about what they might use the data for in the future, and that you don't personally like that. — TylerH 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonSG
Why did you feel the need to bullet point about "new immigrants"? I'm sure many "non-immigrants" ("old immigrants"?) have the perception that SO is not "welcoming". In my opinion this makes you entire point about "Weird US racial politics" look hypocritical. — JonSG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
Fourth bullet point is clearer now, but I don't think it's an issue necessarily to focus on how welcome someone feels, if that's the entire point of the survey. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@JonSG I believe einpoklum was just referring to "new users to the site". I agree the use of "immigrant" instead of "user" is odd and a distraction. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
4:59 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mjr
flagging is one of, if not the most intimidating actions you can take on this site. and as you've pointed out, these ambiguous descriptions provide negative explanation — mjr 1 min ago
 
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