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12:09 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lamper46
For your tag problems, please read meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/259917/…Lamper46 5 secs ago
 
12:43 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Well I'm Ba-ha-ha-hak! Ba-ha-ha-hak! Yes I'm back in chat! — user4581301 21 secs ago
 
1:43 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Qt DV'ed even if noble meant, but "look through previous meta questions, but I only see a couple mentioning it, and the comments just resolve them there." is rather vague without any Links, and the Qt (Question) has indeed already been closed as a Dupe with 2 Dupe-Targets... // Dupe-Qt's usually quickly get DV'ed, I'm (nearly) surprised by the +8 Score currently... — chivracq 39 secs ago
 
 
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3:34 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by endolith
We submit content under the condition that it's published under CC BY-SA 4.0. OpenAI does not follow CC BY-SA 4.0, so they cannot use our content. — endolith 20 secs ago
 
4:01 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@Braiam "currency formatting is just a subset of localization" Even if that were entirely true, but localization is a broad field (and also, not all currency formatting is necessarily done in the context of localization; financial applications may deal with multiple currencies that are not all generally used in the user's locale). "most of the questions on SO are about how to deal with the problems that comes from currencies not being infinitely fractional" This is generally the issue (and the reason I think it merits a tag), but I'm not sure what the implications would be for tagging. — Ryan M ♦ 39 secs ago
 
4:43 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Hum, I first UV'ed, I liked the tone of the Post... Then 50 Comments, with many Qt's, and "OP didn't react once to answer any single Qt, so I retracted my UP. // I would myself have several Qt's: 1- Why did you use AI...? // -2 Did you answer in Areas outside of your normal Expertise(s)...? // 3- Did you test yourself the AI-aided Answers that you posted...? (Why nothing about that is mentioned in you Post...?) // 4- Last Qt maybe for Mods/Staff, if "only" 2/3 of 1850 Answers were AI-aided, why delete them all? OP seems genuine and it looks to me that 600 Answers didn't need to be deleted? — chivracq 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Hum, I first UV'ed, I liked the tone of the Post... Then 50 Comments, with many Qt's, and "OP didn't react once to answer any single Qt, so I retracted my UP. // I would myself have several Qt's: 1- Why did you use AI...? // -2 Did you answer in Areas outside of your normal Expertise(s)...? // 3- Did you test yourself the AI-aided Answers that you posted...? (Why nothing about that is mentioned in your Post...?) // 4- Last Qt maybe for Mods/Staff, if "only" 2/3 of 1850 Answers were AI-aided, why delete them all? OP seems genuine and it looks to me that 600 Answers didn't need to be deleted? — chivracq 14 secs ago
 
5:13 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Hum, I suppose I have the Answer to my first Qt (about 1- Why did you use AI...?), with 1100 Qt's + Bounty out of 1850, that's a lot of focus on bountied-Qt's I would think, => Rep was very likely the culprit, even for some acclaimed User with >1M-Rep... // => Demonstrating the complete flaw/fail of the "gaming" system on 'SO' only based on Reputation and points... The more points, the better you are, of course...! — chivracq 56 secs ago
 
5:38 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Oh..., yep, same essence and same analysis like I posted in a short Comment (max 500-char) [here](meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/430072/…}, +the next one. (Both Comments on the main Qt.) — chivracq 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Oh..., yep, same essence and same analysis like I posted in a short Comment (max 500-char) here, +the next one. (Both Comments on the main Qt.) — chivracq 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
Why are you not just using the SE API? There are four different search endpoints. While those can't do everything that the on-site search can do, they can do quite a bit. — Makyen ♦ 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
You are sending the request without having authenticated as a logged-in user. What do you see when, in a browser's private window (i.e., when not logged in), you attempt to access the search results page? In such case, you see the human verification page. Given the request you're making, I don't see why you would expect to get something different than that. — Makyen ♦ 50 secs ago
 
6:16 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
i don't really understand all the DV's on this Answer, I've actually UV'ed it... And I also agree with @Ray's analysis, => apology was a bit damage control I think (mitigated by no response since 8 days = a bit of shame, I would think, not dare to check the Site), and motivation was a bit clearly Rep+Rep = More Rep...! // Give stg back to the Community, I have a great idea: Give the missing Rep-Pts to 50 ["selected" and proven] Users so they get 2k-Rep and can do Edits without wasting/spending 3 full days for editing a Post on 'SO' to improve its Quality...! :idea: — chivracq 52 secs ago
 
6:44 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
@endolith Except someone from Creative Commons has expressed the opinion that likely training AI is fair use, and thus exempt from conditions such as attribution. And see also this faqMark Rotteveel 47 secs ago
 
7:01 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by dan1st
@chivracq While I am obviously not a mod here, I guess it's difficult to go through all of these questions and figure every question that isn't AI generated without any mistakes. So it's probably better to just delete all likely AI generated answers. — dan1st 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
@MarkRotteveel to be fair that's not always going to be the case. If the model produces output which does not differ much from the original content used from the training it shouldn't really be considered fair use and should still follow the respective license terms. The model itself can't also be considered fair use (I am considering three separate things with regards to license here the training data, the resulting model and the output from the model), and should be licensed properly considering the training data. I do agree that in most cases the output can be considered fair use though. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
@chivracq "...that 600 Answers didn't need to be deleted?" And deleting them is a quite big punishment. 600 allegedly self-written answers (who really knows if it really are that many) is a lot of work, I never wrote that many answers in my whole time here. But on the other hand, if there is no way to distinguish these 600 reliably from the other 1200 (and how could there be) you either delete all or none. And the mods decided for all because deleting none would mean that the AI content policy is history. Looks like they didn't have much choice there. — NoDataDumpNoContribution just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
@AbdulAzizBarkat "You can at max dissociate yourself from all your posts..." Exactly and everyone in the whole world can because that is part of the CC license. The funny aspect about this question is the highly positive score. Not because the question is good but because probably many people think that OpenAI should not be able to legally have used that data (maybe now they are, but definitely not when they scraped it). So they upvote an only vaguely related question. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
@SylvainGantois "... see how SO reacts losing its users." SO is losing users for many years. The company reacts very slowly and not really as desired. I fully agree with you though. I surely would contribute more if SO was a "better" company, so this effect exists, but I think the even more important idea would not only stop posting here but also start posting somewhere else and taking legal action against OpenAI. But at the same time may be sufficient to change the World. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
@AbdulAzizBarkat "The model itself can't also be considered fair use..." Very interesting questions that unfortunately the courts will have to answer and they may need many years to solve that problem. If only they were faster somehow. I could imagine that a lot of fair uses together also end up in a total unfair use, but where exactly to draw the line. And that would also probably mean the death of AI as we know it, which seems to be difficult to maintain politically. AI was promoted as the future instead. OpenAI and others may simply be thieves that will get away. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
@endolith "OpenAI does not follow CC BY-SA 4.0, so they are not legally allowed to use our content." Some people think we submit content under two different licenses actually. See Can SE just resell our data, relicense it and remove the attribution requirement?NoDataDumpNoContribution just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mark Rotteveel
@AbdulAzizBarkat That depends on if and how training data is retained in the model. In general, LLMs will not retain the training data itself (which doesn't mean that they couldn't reproduce it). — Mark Rotteveel 26 secs ago
 
8:46 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Yep @dan1st and #NoData, I understand, but as OP sounded "genuine" Mods/Staff could have "worked with OP" to outcast (= exclude from deletion) the 600 "real" Answers, maybe checking with another SME if OP only answered in their historical Area(s) of Expertise... Deleting 600 "real Answers" (= 1.5 Answers a day on 13 months, feels pretty comfy to me) is more a "punishment" for 'SO' and the Community, I would think, like accurately assessed in the Answer here by #MarkAmery, and of the 1250 "other" Answers, most were probably correct anyway... — chivracq 11 secs ago
 
8:59 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
... Feels pretty strange to me anyway that OP could go on for 13 months without being noticed, I know for myself, I see one Answer, ... that I think is AI/ChatGPT-generated, I already notice directly, => suspicion already, I check another 3-5-10 Answers around the same time/days/period by the same User, and I'm pretty convinced then if I was right concerning my suspicion on the first Answer... I wouldn't need 13 months to be sure...!, especially with sbd posting about 4 Answers a day on average... (1850/400) (All Posts I ever flagged as being ChatGPT-generated were all directly deleted...) — chivracq 13 secs ago
 
9:25 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
I understand what you say. But are you aware that this "alternative" does nothing to prevent that the content you provided gets used by OpenAI, right? — yivi 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gino Mempin
Does this answer your question? Crawl and index Stack OverflowGino Mempin 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by dan1st
From what I have seen from this discussion (and possibly also others), it's probably not that easy and that moderators can (I guess) not provide details on why this is the case. However, I assume that the volume of other AI generated posts/other unprocessed flags was a significant contributing factor. — dan1st 40 secs ago
 
10:22 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
I think they know that, and they don't care. — F1Krazy 12 secs ago
 
11:20 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz
Hi allrightallrightallright, welcome to the Stack Overflow Meta site! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an expert's answer for the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 26 secs ago
@IanBoyd The deletions are happening and not in a good way bicycles.stackexchange.com/posts/81387/revisionsVladimir F Героям слава 42 secs ago
 
 
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12:50 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by matiaslauriti
Can Dockerfile be added? It just adds a few bytes... worth it, especially in Stackoverflow... — matiaslauriti 16 secs ago
 
1:03 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by stackprotector
You are aware that AIs/LLMs/everyone already were allowed to use the content on SO? It is and has been already free for everyone. The partnership with OpenAI does not change that. — stackprotector 28 secs ago
 
1:26 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Chris
@chivracq, remember that mods were effectively banned from removing AI-generated content for a while. That triggered a strike, which led to negotiation, which gave us a process to move forward with AIGC removal under certain conditions. Mods have been clear that the threshold is high. There's a big difference between noticing an AI post and removing it, especially when it's not a straight copy-paste from ChatGPT. Now consider the volume of answers to be reviewed, and the rate at which new ones were posted. While I'd have liked to see this handled sooner, I understand why it took so long. — Chris 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sayse
 
1:54 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cristik
@chivracq what do you seek with those questions? are you trying to find out how bad of a person OP is, and/or how much nepotism is going one here on SO? I'm not defending his behaviour, but seems this comment thread became a witch hunt. I'm also not satisfied with the contents of this post, but I think we can ask more constructive questions. — Cristik 53 secs ago
 
2:07 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chx
My understanding was the current LLMs do not have a "link" between the source and the result -- the token predictor doesn't "know" why it's predicting what it predicts. If this understanding is correct how is it going to attribute anything? — chx just now
 
2:28 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by MSalters
@Polytropos: There is plenty of jurisprudence that copyright violations require more than a de minimis use. The problem now is that AI's depend in miniscule ways on billions of inputs, none of which exceeds the de minimis threshold. This is not hard to prove: train another model omitting one input, and its answers are still virtually the same. Hence, there is no legal link. Rinse&repeat. — MSalters 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine
Do you have any deleted questions? Those count too. — EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine 49 secs ago
 
2:51 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe
"I did not receive a warning" - you saw it on March 24th, and 9 more times between 2021-09-23 and 2022-11-07 — Zoe ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mikko Rantalainen
Thanks for explaining the logic. I would have never quessed that syntax ```javascript refers to tag, not the name of the language for that code block. Why do they not have a list of language names and only use fallback to tag default when unknown value is used? — Mikko Rantalainen 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine 13 deleted with a score <= 0: IDs 74348943 70437272 70094532 70018636 69101657 69000057 68981850 68955136 68925546 68835604 68834040 68813752 68411928 — Zoe ♦ 25 secs ago
 
 
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4:32 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Syed M. Sannan
@chivracq I can't remember any selected and proven users on StackOverflow under 2K rep. Well, I mean, I do remember a few, but they usually spent their time in SOCVR and didn't do much on the site itself. You are either less than 2K reputation, or you are a recognized, frequent contributor. — Syed M. Sannan 29 secs ago
 
5:10 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
I cannot speak for your problems with Discussions, not having used this, but I can speak for your SO question. Note that "legitimate" means that it complies with SO rules, and I have to agree that system configuration is not a directly code-related question. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Andrew T.
Stack Overflow focuses on programming questions, but it is only one of the many sites of the Stack Exchange network. Your question looks like more about operating system, and perhaps Super User or Unix & Linux might be more suitable. — Andrew T. 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
Also note that stating, "Please don't delete this post. I've tried asking this under discussions and it gets deleted there because its a "programming-related question". Previously it was removed from questions because it was not a "programming-related question"." in your post doesn't help your cause at all. Instead, if you feel that it was closed inappropriately, show the objective evidence, including links to relevant meta site questions, for why it should remain opened. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 50 secs ago
 
5:22 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by francescalus
Are you posting a bug report that a question is being closed immediately (tag, title), or a discussion about a question being legitimately closed within an hour (tag, body)? — francescalus 17 secs ago
 
5:35 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thom A
It might be beneficial for you to take the tour; you are yet to do so and it will likely give you insight into why your question is off-topic here. — Thom A 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ian Boyd
@VladimirFГероямслава That post is already in the bicycles.stackexchange.com Posts.xml data dump <row Id="81387" PostTypeId="2" ParentId="81371" CreationDate="2021-10-26T20:33:05.847" Score="5" Body=" ... So it's safe; as is every other question and answer that anyone thinks will be funny to delete out of spite. — Ian Boyd 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Machavity
Tagged so CMs can see and review it. That page does need some updating. — Machavity ♦ 20 secs ago
 
5:58 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ian Boyd
Now if we could just convince PushShift.io to create a torrent out of their crawl. — Ian Boyd 39 secs ago
 
6:15 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by devlin carnate
I'm not entirely clear what you're asking for. Are you asking for a Stack Overflow data dump? — devlin carnate 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
"Stack Overflow is loosing ground to llms" - I disagree. The current state of LLM responses with regards to programming is pretty bad. In order to get a helpful response, your knowledge of the programming language itself, in order to even evaluate the accuracy of the response. In many cases the code in the response won't actually do what the response says it does. So while the code might compile, it won't the code actually won't do what the LLM claims, in my opinion as a programmer with 2 decade of experience will be many decades before a LLM can write code itself. SO answers are more helpful — Security Hound 57 secs ago
 
6:47 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe
SO has lost ground to LLMs, but mainly for really trivial stuff. There's nothing to disagree with here; traffic has gone down since the release of CGPT. And the partnerships with AI companies, as much as I personally can't stand them, do appear to provide SO with a lot of cash money. Even though the loss to LLMs can be provem, it's highly unlikely that SO is going to die because of LLMs in the foreseeable future, especially because this happening would mean killing off training data access, making the models increasingly useless — Zoe ♦ 30 secs ago
 
7:19 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dharman
Stack Overflow is the archive. What do you think the purpose of Stack Overflow was? — Dharman ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by doug65536
Copyright law doesn't give authors extremely powerful authority over their works? I thought it did. My understanding was that you can revoke permission. — doug65536 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
We have at least one question using CDP for Cloudera Data Platform so it might need disambiguated first. It also might be a better blocklist candidate if there are more meanings for CDP. — Henry Ecker ♦ 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
You've not explained why you think is legitimate question and how the closure was not according to the rules of the website. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
There's also at least one about the "concrete delivery problem". That really cements this as a problem tag. — Ryan M ♦ 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wOxxOm
~10 questions for cloudera, 1 for "Concrete Delivery Problem", 1 for Apache Unomi "Customer Data Platform" — wOxxOm 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
My vote would be to get rid of the tag then. Retag all the non-Chrome-related questions, merge the remaining CDP into Chrome Devtools protocol, destroy the tag, and don't create any synonyms. — Henry Ecker ♦ 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@HenryEcker agreed, with one additional step: create a new [chrome-cdp] tag as a synonym for [chrome-devtools-protocol], so as to surface it when a user types "cdp". — Ryan M ♦ just now
 
8:07 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
13. Zoinks. Amazing you lasted this long without the ban. — user4581301 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Henry Ecker
I think the 22 remaining cdp questions are all about chrome devtool protocols. If someone would double check that and let me know I'll do the merge. — Henry Ecker ♦ 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Side note: Be really careful with your next questions as the scoring on your questions looks like you're really close to the server no longer accepting questions. Typically the advice is to go back and improve on existing questions to bring them up to score of greater than 0, but you're working in technologies I'm not familiar enough with to advise on how to improve them. — user4581301 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
LLMs are proving to be good at eliminating the low-hanging fruit questions that we see repeated regularly, if not daily. I wholeheartedly approve of this, as the reduction in noise is only good for the usability of the Q&A repository. Yes, it's a hit to the ad revenue, but it's not like any of the contributors here are in it for the money. — user4581301 11 secs ago
 
8:34 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine
I find Stack Overflow to be a [price]less resource. — EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wOxxOm
AFAICT How to get a success callback of session expire (inactivity) in Apache Unomi 2.0 is about Apache Unomi "Customer Data Platform". Everything else seems correct. — wOxxOm 23 secs ago
 
9:02 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
It appears the question was deleted. Was it deleted by the author or the community? The question obviously was out of scope at Stack Overflow but probably should have been migrated, unless it was low quality, which if the author is closed to a question ban is very likely — Security Hound 15 secs ago
 
9:35 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@SecurityHound Two recent questions (1, 2) were deleted by the community. I'm happy to undelete and migrate them if the author wishes (ping me with @RyanM to ask, and let me know if you want SU or U&L), but there's likely no advantage to doing so over simply reposting them on the desired site. — Ryan M ♦ 24 secs ago
 
10:03 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@RyanM - It would be one less deleted question on SO of the question was migrated. — Security Hound 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
@SecurityHound There would still be a deleted question here (see, e.g., mentions of "migration stubs" here). I don't know whether the question-ban algorithm takes that favorably into account, but my guess would be that it does not. — Ryan M ♦ 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
The Discussions feature is new, and has whatever close reasons it does which are not necessarily properly thought out. The fact that you are trying to solve a problem on your computer does not mean you have a valid question for Stack Overflow. Please read What topics can I ask about here?. Gateway configuration is a task that has to do with ordinary use of the computer and has no specific relationship to programming. Thus, it is likely on topic at either Super User or Server Fault, but not at Stack Overflow. — Karl Knechtel 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@RyanM the second of those questions appears to be the one OP is talking about here. — Karl Knechtel 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
To be quite blunt, it doesn't appear as if you're putting the expected amount of effort into questions here. Please also read How to Ask. For example, I found an older ignored one from 2022 where the code formatting was off and apparently you didn't even check how the post looked after submitting it. Aside from that, starting off a question with a snippet from an error message (and you really should show complete errors anyway), before any English prose, makes it quite hard to understand. — Karl Knechtel 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
(Please don't copy and paste the title at the top of the question, either.) — Karl Knechtel 46 secs ago
 

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