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12:18 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user1937198
@Catija What about the fact that according to SEDE data signups that post an answer within 3 months have been going down year on year every since 2013: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1184890 Are there any plans to encourage growth in the number of answers to match growth in questions? Or is this basic query miss-representative in some way? — user1937198 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Wai Ha Lee
Why wouldn't it be a good idea? Presumably your question describes how to reproduce the bug, which is good informal to provide. — Wai Ha Lee 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dfd
Being recently retired from a small - but global - company that has tons of middle management along with upper management, I really thought your "blog" was very poor. Let's start with the wordiness. Why? Get to the point! What is so important here? Second, enough with that pats on the back. I'm not here for that - instead, considering the recent turmoil with "corporate", can you give me specifics? My time means something. Don't bury it in TWENTY-TWO paragraphs (not counting those two sections of 11 bullet points). Talk to US, not your shareholders. But hey, at least it wasn't written by PR — dfd 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vickel
I wish I could upvote this answer 100s of times, thank you @AaronHall — Vickel 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Julian Tiemann
@WaiHaLee What if they are not familiar with SO? — Julian Tiemann 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Julian Tiemann
@JonathanLeffler Are you the one who downvoted my question? — Julian Tiemann just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonathan Leffler
@JulianTiemann — what sort of world do you think Apple support lives in? Their developers will undoubtedly be aware of SO, even if they can't actively participate on it (it might be a corporate policy, though I'd expect some of them to do so). I'd suggest that as long as you explain the problem separately and include the reference to SO as backup information, you should be fine. — Jonathan Leffler 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Julian Tiemann
@JonathanLeffler Nvm — Julian Tiemann 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Julian Tiemann
@JonathanLeffler Ok then thanks for the info — Julian Tiemann 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Catija
@user1937198 It’s a good question. We are looking for ways to improve the answering experience much like we’ve improved the asking experience. I’m not sure where that is on our calendar but we definitely recognize that answering a question so that it meets our standard is hard and we could do more to improve the UI/UX. As to your query, I don’t have any alternative numbers and I don’t actually know SQL to check it. There’s some really experienced SEDE users around, like rene. :) — Catija ♦ 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Blog post by Joel Spolsky, 2016: Developers are Writing the Script for the Future. I am not sure if it goes longer back or is a play on something Marc Andreessen (of Netscape, 1994-2003) said. — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Can you explain the last sentence? Do you know about google site: functionality? — philipxy 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Why "Don't put your attempted Google Search in the title of your question."? Granted a google search can be terse but lately with google ai writing straightforward normal language seems to work very well. Which is a variant of "The order of the words should be the same order as when an ordinary question is asked." — philipxy 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shadow9
I doubt anyone in the current SE management even knows what Area 51 really is. For them it's probably just some weird relic from the past, kept just for historical value. Otherwise really can't see any reason why they kicked out the only person who kept it alive and running. — Shadow9 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Re "...smaller sites...": Not referring to the second-largest? — Peter Mortensen 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonH
Cricket 🦗. He wont answer the serious questions. — JonH 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
Oh - SU, SU + SF and everyone else in that order. SU is my main site. SF was my second site for years and I still have a soft spot for it. I'm pretty sure sites like pets and IPS need love too, but they are certainly not going to be a natural fit for getting merged into or even cross pollinating with SO — Journeyman Geek 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
And frankly - I didn't even think that we were the second biggest site. I'm starting to feel like nothing but SO exists to many people again. Unless we end up bigger than SO - we're still a smaller site. :D — Journeyman Geek 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JonH
@pchandrasekar - all i have to say is good luck. You have a lot of issues to fix. Trust issues, poor morale, community issues, major employee issues with some of your own employees good and bad, a lot of feature requests that never get fixed, i could go on. Have fun! — JonH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
And frankly at this point- I didn't even think about the fact that we were the second biggest site.And I certainly don't think that's something that I wanted in the post proper. — Journeyman Geek 1 min ago
 
1:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@user2943160 I don't see any correlation... Why do you think "more questions require more answers"? It would be fine with all extra questions going unanswered - you still get more questions and new signups... — Alexei Levenkov 35 secs ago
 
1:34 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@JonClements sorry, you didn’t make a post so that affected my recollections. :-/ — Martijn Pieters ♦ 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Robert Harvey
@philipxy: I'm talking about Google searches where you just put in your keywords of choice. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
@dfd That's a sort of d***ed if you do/don't situation: If OP "talks to us," then people will accuse OP of being shifty by saying different things to different audiences. If OP pulls it all together, OP is accused of being longwinded. OP cannot win. — Michael 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Offbeatmammal
"more signups" and "more questions" ... nothing about quality questions, and more importantly quality engagement from subject matter experts to provide good answers. I'm not a huge contributor, but in my limited focus I've seen quite a jump in really bad questions (that don't get closed or improved), and less than useful answers. As a contributor it's very disheartening to think that things are going to actually get worse not better as focus shifts to growing a userbase to try and emulate MySpace... — Offbeatmammal 1 min ago
 
2:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by correcthorsebatterystaple
@Pchandrasekar If SO now seeks to teach "new generations of beginners," does that mean the site is no longer "for professional and enthusiast programmers?" And if so, what will the site be doing to be suitable for beginners, because as Atwood lays out, it's currently the opposite of that, and that extends to the core of the site's design rather than just community behavior. — correcthorsebatterystaple 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zev Spitz
How can the help vampires be satisfied? They have no interest in investing in the site -- learning the rules of how to properly ask and answer questions. Instead, they'll loudly complain on Twitter that the site is "unwelcoming". — Zev Spitz 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by meriton
@ZevSpitz: For instance by being shown an existing answer that matches their question. — meriton 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Please take off-topic discussons to The Meta Room, or Tavern on Meta SE, or Discord. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Zev Spitz
I fear that the only way the help vampires can be appeased is if the matching question is almost word for word the same as the question which brought them here in the first place, which is statistically unlikely. Anything less, and they'll have to invest in reading and understanding the existing question, and attempting to apply its' answers to their problem; which I suspect they'll be unwilling to do. — Zev Spitz 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Servy
@Ricardo This is not the post for you to appeal your post ban. — Servy 1 min ago
 
3:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jo King
@Pchandrasekar While you say there are no changes planed for non-SO sites, does that include changes for SO that affect other SE sites? There have been a few recent changes (1, 2) that have been pushed for the sole benefit of SO, despite negatively affecting other sites on Stack Exchange — Jo King 41 secs ago
 
3:36 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jo King
You bet supporting the Community is a priority, especially after SE removed or alienated half the existing foundation — Jo King 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Glen_b
@RobertHarvey That post was very highly upvoted for quite a long time -- while it still seemed like it might be a genuine apology and outlining what sounded like it would be an attempt to make good. However, it eventually became clear that it promised something very very different from what was being delivered and that is when many hundreds of upvotes turned to many more downvotes. — Glen_b 1 min ago
 
 
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5:20 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Moderators aren’t running any burninations at the moment, either. We — Cody Gray ♦ 27 secs ago
 
5:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
What exactly should be “burned to the ground”, @GhostCat? — Cody Gray ♦ 41 secs ago
 
5:58 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephie
@Vaccano it wouldn’t be possible for the moderators alone. We need the community moderation process, where the more blatant cases are not handled manually by the mods but the sum of users with moderation privileges. This is why review queues and flags that lead to system reactions are relevant. — Stephie 1 min ago
 
6:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stephie
@Vaccano See here. — Stephie 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@Tomalak I do keep tab on my old answers... by using the exact input you complain here - votes on an old answer indicate that question is useful/active, negative votes mean it worth checking answer again for correctness/freshness, extra positive votes - check if small improvement can move the answer to the top in given question. But I don't have too many answers which makes it easy... — Alexei Levenkov 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
And here is a link to a policy on such obsolete questions meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/265749/…... — Alexei Levenkov 18 secs ago
 
6:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@Tomalak a lot of users simply ignore such comments not accompanied by downvote. A lot of users are not there at all (whether they show up as "recently seen" or not) to act on just comment. Downvoting answer that one considers bad is responsible moderation action - it makes recipient more likely to actually act (sometimes acts out :) ) and more importantly ranks the answer. It looks like it worked in your case as designed. And yes highly upvoted obsolete answers are problem but so far the only tool to deal with them is downvote (feel free to suggest better alternative... also plenty tried) — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
 
6:58 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
Please don't repost questions on Meta. That's not what Meta is for. — F1Krazy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
Side note: if you simply wanted to promote your question and get more eyes on it you pick worst possible place - meta is frequent place for all users interested in moderating content including voting of high/low quality questions... The one you've linked does not look very well researched and as result may start collecting downvotes fast. (see meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/269349/what-is-the-meta-eff‌​ect). — Alexei Levenkov 27 secs ago
 
7:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
@Catija "many very talented developers are afraid to write answers here. I've talked with several of them" Did any of those mention they would be less afraid if a more zealous, en vogue, avant-garde policy around personal pronouns would be implemented? I have not heard that even once when I talked to people. Yet it is the thing SO did and it's driving away real experts. The fact that the new norm here is so over the top US political instead of a common sense common ground people could rally behind is what I mean with "zeal". — nvoigt 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GhostCat salutes Monica C.
@CodyGray The whole idea of triaging? Not only are most decisions wrong there ... I also noticed that many people that actually edit low quality posts later on did a pretty bad job. — GhostCat salutes Monica C. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@YaakovEllis tried it without "spolsky" and...I'm getting suggestions related to futuristic screenplays (how to write one, discussions of others, what can we learn from previous ones) and pages on how to rewrite "my future" via some mix of positive thinking and planning, as well as possibly more esoteric means. So...searching for this phrase using an external search engine is about as bad as searching for something using the search on this site. You have to known the precise incantation to conjure forth your result, else you don't get what you want. — VLAZ 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
There's no need to do anything. If an answer is good it will help other people coming in from Google, which is the main audience in the first place. — ivarni 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vishwa Ratna
I at-least thought that @Pchandrasekar♦ will have a SO profile with 10k+ rep, but my pitch failed, saw Joined just 6 months ago.Vishwa Ratna 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@JoKing If anything "Rewarding the question askers" was not for the benefit of SO. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
hey! Askers need vacation too... after all the stress of posting ... — rene 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
No, this is one user's persecution complex speaking in that comment, @FélixGagnon-Grenier. — Cerbrus 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
For example, one of their comment replies: "people are targeted for downvotes on meta - the difference is, we don't do anything about it. Occasionally these people will follow people onto main and downvote. There's a lot of downvoting on personality. Besides - As I stated, if you disagree with the mainstream meta - you are downvoted to oblivion, jumped on and cannot function. It happens all the time. Look at the most downvoted posts. Anyway, that's all I have to say on the topic. Oh and the votes on our comments speaks volumes. The community cannot handle any criticism."Cerbrus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
I would never "sabotage" SO. That implies malice and I would never do that. But the point is that decision makers have never heard of SO and it's developers that suggest this product or endorse it or speak out for it. And I won't speak out for SO anymore, because if I endorse them, my reputation is on the line too. And I won't risk that seeing what they did last year. But that's not malice, I don't do that out of spite. I don't go and actively sabotage anything. I just don't actively or passively support it either and developers are the only support SO has. — nvoigt just now
 
8:26 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
You can't require anyone to do anything. If your system requires that people do specific things at specific times, you'll fail, because there will always be people that don't do those things or don't do them at the time you want them to. — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
I would submit that forcing a novice to read some 3rd party code and a good explanation of the problems with it and a solution to them, and then understanding that solution and applying it to their own code is a better learning experience than simply be handed the solution tailor-made for their own code. Of course it's harder and people might not like it because of that, but we're not here to make it as easy as possible for each individual person. — deceze ♦ 40 secs ago
 
8:50 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
cough Targeted voting is also something we don't condone… Just vote on the post itself, not on the person please. — deceze ♦ 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tschallacka
Let's.... make a forum for them.... because that'll work out great — Tschallacka 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tschallacka
@VishwaRatna He doesn't even have a developer story so we can't check his qualifications or previous histories/success stories as a CEO on site — Tschallacka 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GhostCat salutes Monica C.
@deceze And I didnt say to do targeted voting. — GhostCat salutes Monica C. 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
You're sort of implying it with your last paragraph, so I just want to caution a bit there… — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
"Writing the script of the future" sort of lost out to "Where Developers Learn Share & Build" as a marketing scheme back in 2017. You still see it in some places, but it was mostly a sales pitch when they were trying to increase onboarding prior to Teams. It probably shouldn't be confused for a mission statement or a corporate vision though... those are completely different things. I am sure that Nike's corporate goals aren't to "Just do it", the only thing McDonalds corporates "I'm lovin' it" is profit - to name some famous ones which clearly highlight the difference between slogan and vision — Travis J 8 secs ago
 
9:24 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Magisch
Because... we can and will build your greatest competitor in a heartbeat if we as a community abandon ship. Might be too late to stop that already. It's a question of who builds a workable acceptable alternative first. A lot of people are ready to jump ship. Projects are already in the works, too. — Magisch 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
To be more precise, Qt (the company) also doesn't own the [qt] tag here. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tschallacka
@Magisch I know. I've seen the githubs slowly filling. One of the projects uses C#, which I personally don't fancy much. I've considered building my own alternative the last few months, with the option of importing answers from stack overflow and taking ownership with a key to be inserted in user profile so the questions can be decoupled from the CC-by-sa stack overflow attribution links and be put under new CC-by-sa [insert new site] attribution. This greatly decreases SEO value for SO, as google hates duplicate content. I haven't yet because I don't feel like managing yet another community. — Tschallacka 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Are there any questions about 1.0 already? — BDL 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gerrit
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Is it foreseeable that pandas-1.1 will require its own tag too because the developers are already planning breaking changes for it? That would inform the decision for the best tag format. — deceze ♦ 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JNat
The CMs have been trying to keep the moderators as up-to-date as we can (particularly with regards to the mod council and mod training teams), and have posted on the private mod team about this too. We're calling these "Tiger Teams" here not having used the term before, which may also be confusing... so I'd agree that it's fair to say that the initiative is fairly opaque, yes, @SébastienRenauld — particularly to the community in general. As the blog post says, By the end of this quarter, all of these initiatives will be shared publicly — hopefully there'll be other updates along the way too. — JNat ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gerrit
@deceze No, breaking changes should only occur between major versions (semantic versioning). On the other hand, we do have python-3.7, python-3.8, etc., although those exist in addition to python-3.x. — gerrit 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
It goes away when I click "read now" so no-repro for me. — DavidG 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
Yes, so the same scheme is probably warranted, pandas-1.x in addition to pandas-1.0. — deceze ♦ 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
It does go away but only initially, it will show again if you open up a new page. — DavidG 1 min ago
 
10:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
"If you missed an obvious piece of information, be ready to respond by editing your question to include it." misses out "otherwise we may downvote it to oblivion, close it, and then delete it." — Andrew Morton 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andrew Morton
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shadow9
@VictorStafusa Yes, it is. — Shadow9 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by l4mpi
Questions are CC licensed so as long as you follow the CC license you can do whatever you want. However, if the question was deleted then chances are that it is not useful or not a good fit for SO, in which case you should of course not repost it. — l4mpi 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex
No, it was a good question. Maybe the fact that the author was a newcomer had something to do with why he deleted it. On the other hand, maybe this question is not a good question, seeing it's getting downvoted... — Alex 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alex
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
Do you have a link to the question? — BDL 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
@BDL The question here does not mention a specific post. It can be asked and answered here. If they want to ask something about that specific question... then yes, they should go to their meta. — yivi 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
While your general question is fine here, if asking about a specific post, you should probably ask in that site's meta. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BDL
You're on the wrong page then. Why not ask https://math.meta.stackexchange.com when it's about a question from their site? — BDL 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tschallacka
block it with ublock, usually it's just useless podcasts or uninteresting things. Plus it's always in the Blog header on the right side as well. those banners take forever to go away, and if you visit any other site on the network you see it again — Tschallacka 1 min ago
 
10:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tschallacka
I wonder why this doesn't show up in featured for me. The tag was added 10 hours ago, should have been plenty of time for the caches to update. — Tschallacka 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
@Tschallacka Too many posts are featured right now, it will come and go while that is the case. — DavidG 1 min ago
 
11:06 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by mattdm
[ Boson ] New comment posted by OrangeDog
"piece of deliberately provocative commentary that is based almost entirely on shallow moralizing"? — OrangeDog 18 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I would also add "Search for duplicates before posting" — Dalija Prasnikar 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Well, you should think of that before even answering, but yeah. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpp
On the back of this, maybe "Requires editing" should be removed altogether. How often (a) does it reflect what's actually possible, and (b) is used correctly? — jpp 44 secs ago
 
11:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mat
That user answered their own question. That's quite possible, even encouraged. What is the bug? — Mat 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco Salerno
He answered to his question like he was another person? lol — Marco Salerno 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
It's a self-answer. And it's not "every user" the question and one of the answers is by the same user - there is a second answer by a different user. — VLAZ 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rudolf Olah
These are the simplest KPIs that they can go with: more users and more user activity. Those are proxies for generating revenue. Honestly, I would be happy at this point in my career to pay $5 a month personally (or have my employer foot the bill) if the answers had a certain level of quality. More questions and signups != revenue. — Rudolf Olah 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
The tag is useless, does nothing to help describe the issue at hand or help experts find the question to answer it. But more importantly, the question is not answerable in its current form. So an suggested edit that not only does not deal with that problem, but adds an irrelevant tag is doubly problematic. — yivi 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
What's more surprising to me is that "how to parse this yet another [nonstandard] datetime format" question, of which thousands of duplicates exist, attracted two upvotes on its self-answer. I can make up more formats than there are questions about. But yeah, it's weird that they tell themselves in a self-answer "You were close". — CodeCaster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Might have reposted a question. Or just posted it as if it was an answer to a different person. I still don't see the problem. Here is one of my favourite Q&As and it's a self-answer. The question is posted as a normal person would, saying "here is what I did, is this correct?" and the answer starts with "No, you weren't." It's not even uncommon in literature or philosophy to write essentially a "manual" framed as a dialogue. — VLAZ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Rudolf Olah
I think you hit the nail on the head (this and the other answer that mentions KPIs). They want to grow but retention is just as important. Adding new experts to the community should help but retaining current experts is very very important. It doesn't matter how many new questions are asked if the answers are low-quality or if there are no answers. — Rudolf Olah 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
I don't find it weird. The Q&A is for future visitors. They are describing a problem and the solution, Q & A are separate. It's less distracting for users reading the As if they are written naturally as if answering a question by another user. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@yivi I disagree. You don't need to "talk to" the question asker. — CodeCaster 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Marco Salerno
The fact that he answered to himself talking like he was another user made me think the site was showing me the wrong user, ops — Marco Salerno 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
You don't need to many things. That doesn't mean it's weird. I do not find it weird, and a ferpectly acceptable style. The answer addresses the question. Many users will go directly to the answers, so that it reads naturally it's a bonus. But of course, each contributor is free to exercise their own style. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AhmadMM
I fully understand what you're saying, but the closed flag couldn't help me with my question nor for whom will come later on searching for such answer for such case, maybe we need to face the fact that discussions aren't welcomed in questions, your answer would have helped a lot of people to reconsider the way to programmatically solve my problem, yet i found a way to solve it,but now unfortunately i can't share it anymore because of the closed flag — AhmadMM 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
@yivi you say "it's less distracting", and I disagree. — CodeCaster 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AhmadMM
The question was clear about "usable question", that i meant without using iteration, fastest way possible — AhmadMM 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
That it needs to be "focused" it's a site rule. — yivi 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AhmadMM
Nope, because what i'm seeking here is why my question closed and it didn't violate any s.o. rules, just because it needed to be "focused !" — AhmadMM 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AhmadMM
Yeah, i know but the problem that my question didn't actually violate any of the rules "focused" rule was made for! — AhmadMM 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Finishing every sentence on an exclamation mark makes you look very angry, which is not an ideal frame of mind for understanding. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by UuDdLrLrSs
@AaronHall that was precisely my experience - I learned about SO because after Google took me here numerous times, the name gradually seeped in. — UuDdLrLrSs 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
Why the downvote? — S.S. Anne 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
I don't think that meaning is clear from the question. Nor do I see what necessitates the "without using iteration" restriction. Not to mention that restriction is...odd. You must check the array, so you have to iterate. If you don't, you can't check the array. The only alternative is to maintain a lookup...which then increases your space complexity. Is it "best" or "efficient" if it has a non-O(1) space complexity? Hopefully you can see how these descriptors don't actually tell us what you mean by them. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lamak
If the style is "show not tell", then I don't really get how the latest actions SE has taken could ever be aligned with "supporting the community is a top priority". Also, the blog post talks about inclusivity, but there's no transcript for the podcasts, for instance — Lamak 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by honk
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user4642212
[ Boson ] New comment posted by CodeCaster
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Magnus Lind Oxlund
@NathanTuggy, people have different experiences with edit suggestions. It's not a very transparent process: other factors than just the merit of a given suggestion play a role, such as a user's approval/rejection ratio. Maybe your positive track record put you above the threshold for having a good experience with edit suggestions. The characterization is very accurate to my experience, and I think the underlying problems are vague guidelines and a lack of transparency. — Magnus Lind Oxlund 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by SomeRandomPerson
I assume they just don't agree with your opening sentiment I see Stack Overflow going in a more positive direction. After all, you are asking for our feedback. (didn't DV myself, but again don't agree with it either) — SomeRandomPerson 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
Have you considered that by taking actions that are reducing the active user community, Prashanth is making the hard decisions ? -- Just not the decisions we want him to make. — George Stocker 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
SO made more than 80m in 2018, even more in 2019. The money you quoted was nothing for SO scale size. — HelloWorld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by HelloWorld
Please don't swear. — HelloWorld 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cerad
It is kind of fun when every so often, an answer gets accepted months (or even years) after it has been posted. — Cerad 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bob says reinstate Monica
@HelloWorld I wasn't trying to make an argument, just trying to roughly quantify the value of volunteer labour to SO. Was that 80m in profit or 80m in revenue in 2018? If the latter (I've read 70m revenue but don't have a reference to hand) then 1/8 of revenue would imply that volunteer labour is a pretty important contribution to the company's success. Would be very happy to see other estimates. — Bob says reinstate Monica 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrick B.
I like the irony that this questions was closed as a duplicate. — Patrick B. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bob says reinstate Monica
@CodeCaster you may. Have an upvote from me. I find the quality of answers on the non-technical sites I (used to) frequent has declined markedly too. It's a vicious circle, and can happen pretty rapidly on some of the smaller sites where a small number of high rep users provide a lot of answers. — Bob says reinstate Monica 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Is it possible to separate the tags? phone-tracking, website-tracking, etc? Is it going to be useful? — VLAZ 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andy
"You don't even need an account to successfully use the sites." - Visit stackoverflow.com when you aren't logged in. It takes a lot of effort to find the single link that leads you to questions. — Andy ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
I think "Note: I will continue using you interchangeably to address both company and you as CEO and highest ranking person in the company responsible" should be the first thing in the post, especially as "You are just few months late" is the first thing you say when the new CEO was not even around a few months ago ^^ — Nick A 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Andy It wasn't like that few years back, before I joined. And even if having account makes it easier, the whole point is that asking questions is not needed. Most of the time, people that really have the need to ask question are the ones that ask rather poor questions. The whole "place for asking question" philosophy is kind of backward now... it should be "place where you can find answers (without asking)" — Dalija Prasnikar 25 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@NickA He was around few months ago. Yes, maybe he landed here in the midst of crisis, but there was plenty of time to make appearance in between. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
@DalijaPrasnikar I wouldn't call 3 months ago a few (at least not with regards to the issues), however fair enough :) just a suggestion, will delete the comment — Nick A 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Love that the description is "DO NOT USE", and yet it's getting used at least once a day; shows how little people pay attention to the tags they use other than to try and get more visibility from the poor users that go to read their question. — Larnu 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Andy
Sorry @DalijaPrasnikar, my comment wasn't meant as criticism to your post. It was meant to point out that if you visited stackoverflow.com, there is a very low likelihood that you're even realize you could get anywhere without an account. — Andy ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
@VLAZ Yeah, that would at least be unambiguous. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
So the question is not about writing a SEDE request to track the usage of tag with “DO NOT USE" guidance? — xdtTransform 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@Andy No worries... I keep forgetting that main landing page has changed a lot. — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
@Larnu Yeah, "DO NOT USE" tag usage guidance isn't very effective because the majority of users don't read tag usage guidance. Better to remove it entirely IMHO. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
I don't disagree about hi ust removing a "DO NOT USE", but unfortunately my comment extends to more than just those types of tags (such as users that tag sql-server because they are using SQL on a Server, and not because they are using Microsoft SQL Server; as the tag states). — Larnu 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
You'll get your allocation of flags increased if a bunch of your flags are marked "helpful." You can eventually get up to 100 flags a day. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica
"Requires editing" is confusing because it's not clear whether it means "requires editing from the OP" or "requires editing from other community members." I'll freely admit that I myself used it wrong at first because I was confused on that point. — EJoshuaS - Reinstate Monica 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jeff Schaller
I haven't tracked this regularly, but re-tested it just now and the behavior appears to be fixed. — Jeff Schaller 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Larnu the java tag starts with "not to be confused with JavaScript, JScript or JS" and the JavaScript tag also says "not to be confused with Java". That doesn't stop people from either mistaking one for the other or just assuming both are the same at least once a day or so. — VLAZ 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
That would be encompassed in my point, @VLAZ . — Larnu 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by luator
I don't think the landing page is so much of an issue regarding this. I assume most questions are found through Google, thus completely bypassing the landing page. — luator 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@Larnu I know. Just adding more examples. — VLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
Some kind of obsolete flag? So we don't have to read the guidance to distinguish the bad tag from the one that apply only in specific context. So maintance and usage of said tag can be done by editing a checking/unchecking the tag. — xdtTransform 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gdoron is supporting Monica
I see Stack Overflow going in a more positive direction. Actually no. The blog post was full of only buzz-words, not acknowledging any wrongdoings not to mention lack of even hints of changing directions from dragging this website down to yahoo answers. For some reason, the CEO is seemed to be pleased with the current state, he brags about some numbers (quite similar to what Steve Ballmer did when Microsoft got punched hard by Google, Amazon and Apple). — gdoron is supporting Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by deceze
@AhmadMM "we need to face the fact that discussions aren't welcomed in questions" — Indeed, they aren't. Never were. Quite explicitly. ("This site is all about getting answers. It's not a discussion forum. There's no chit-chat.") — deceze ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
If it was a SEDE query you were after, then perhaps this? — Larnu 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by AhmadMM
@deceze Shouldn't developers discuss problems in order to reach a suitable answers ? — AhmadMM 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Bron
@AhmadMM Not here. No. The site is Q&A and Q&A only. — Dan Bron 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
"plusoned" for the data. (And now you have another pattern to search for.) I can't linguistically parse your second paragraph/sentence. Can you rewrite it so that I know what you mean? — Michael 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Sayse
It would have also been nice if "negative comment" was given a definition, I suspect it includes "what have you tried?" which many dont see as negative but just got tired of asking — Sayse 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@meriton we do show them an existing answer that matches their question. We use the dupe system for that. But apparently that's not enough - we're still guilty of closing their perfectly good question (that's been asked countless times) and even daring to give them a "duplicate" that in no means answers their question (because they have a variable called foo but the dupe uses a variable called bar). — VLAZ 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
@GeorgeStocker Even if the actual plan is something we cannot agree with... actual execution of the plan and how people are treated during that process is what absolutely hurts the most. Also discrepancy between words and actions. If company is making 180 turn, at least they could be honest about it and drop the "building the community and cooperation" talk... — Dalija Prasnikar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@DalijaPrasnikar Absolutely but transparency is in short supply these days. Ironically, transparency is required for a healthy community. — George Stocker 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
"downvoted questions are shown to fewer people in their question lists" in my experience downvoted questions are not that often "piled on". They tend to have lower views than similar questions that simply have a score of zero. Because that's what the voting system is for - negative score means it's not worth it, so fewer people check out the question. Some clearly low quality questions even have trouble getting enough close votes because not enough people bother checking out the question (and close vote). The "piling" tends to happen to really bad questions. — VLAZ 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Devil's Advocate
I don't have a long winded response, I just want to say good luck. Also, I think I represent a relatively under-voiced crowd on meta, "The Askers", so if there's a list of users somewhere that can help provide perspective, feel free to add me to it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ — Devil's Advocate 7 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by Raedwald
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pchandrasekar
@AaronHall - thanks for your thoughtful answer. I would like to take you up on your offer to meet face-to-face at our NYC office. My team will reach out to you by email to arrange a meeting. I look forward to engaging in a deeper discussion with you. — Pchandrasekar ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Raedwald Looks good to me. Unfortunately hasn't been done (or at least doesn't say so) and would probably not solve the problem completely. But may be better than nothing. — Trilarion 44 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by user151019
re ' Triage guide feels too lengthy for beginners like me to understand" then learn more so that you can understand it. When you understand it then take part in the Triage queue. Don't do things you don't understand as you will mess things up for others. — user151019 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
No, voting on Meta has no effect on your status on the main site. — BSMP 30 secs ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
Why the downvote? Should I just remove "thank you" altogether? — S.S. Anne 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
[ Boson ] New comment posted by S.S. Anne
Let's find out. — S.S. Anne 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@GhostCatsalutesMonicaC. BTW the word for not transparent is opaque. — TylerH 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David says Reinstate Monica
This is a great answer Aaron. I'm sad that you fear retribution from the community for voicing such an opinion. I think that this can be great improved though by spelling out some examples of rebuilding trust. It's the central crux of your answer, and you state it several times (and I 100% agree with you), but without some clear examples I fear SO will just continue to make decisions that, at the very least, look bad to us (e.g. 'into the loop'). — David says Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
No reason in particular, I'm just not as interested in this information as I am in other information, so want to de-prioritize it compared to other answers, it's nothing against you or your answer, I just want to know other stuff, just in the same way as I have downvoted other answers — Nick A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
Does this answer your question? Response tab UI seems broken?Nick A 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chipster
Please note that down-votes here don't mean that your answer is bad. It just means others disagree with you. It doesn't cost you any reputation or anything like that. It just means that your answer was disliked or disagreed with by 2 people. — Chipster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MonkeyZeus
Based on visiting the last page of meta.stackoverflow.com/questions?tab=votes, I don't think so. — MonkeyZeus 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chipster
No, asking enough down-voted questions on SO itself can do that. I don't remember if the exact threshold is posted off hand, but my advice is to increase the quality of all your questions, not just the one. — Chipster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Daniel F
It seems to me that running SE has much more in common with running a charity or a political campaign than being a traditional CEO. The vast majority of the people that "work" for SE aren't paid, they do it because they think they're making the world a better place (i.e they're not paid in economic power, they're paid in moral power). The second people decide they're no longer doing good for society, that workforce dries up. — Daniel F 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by WBT
2020 Kickoff...Where do you see Stack Overflow going? If you want my honest opinion, the answer is directly down the tubes or to the most dramatic type of system crash that follows a Stack Overflow unless Stack Overflow the company starts recognizing & respecting the value of the community who created all the value in the company and site, enabled and supported by employees. In recent months, it seems like the company is intentionally pushing the community as far away as it can. Whether that is true or not, if it doesn't change quickly SO will be done. — WBT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
No, there is no post quality link between meta and main, and you can't get question banned on meta. — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ian Ringrose
I have just downvoted some of them, and all of their answer as questions that bad should not be answered. If a few more people did that they would be auto deleted — Ian Ringrose 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tripleee
I realize that tradition demands that a question like this should have a weak pun in the title, but this one is really quite misleading. Can I suggest something simpler like "send tracking packing?"tripleee 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Chipster
The reputation loss is probably not from that but other things (answers or questions you posted). — Chipster 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dan Rayson
Speak truth? Get downvoted, son. — Dan Rayson 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by djsmiley2k in darkness
I'm presuming this to mean 'No more paid employees' which.... sucks, but if that's what required then so it will be. Hopefully it means the mods (and moderation teams) get more tooling etc to deal with the issues. — djsmiley2k in darkness 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Does this answer your question? What is the meta effect?gnat 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
i mean, the "rumor" as you describe it has already been responded to by staff as not what they're doing. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/342646/…Kevin B 44 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
That has been distinctly lacking. Not distinctly lacking. Deliberately lacking. They're throwing their mouthpieces under the bus to take the flak. — fbueckert 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It will be for exceptions. There will always be exceptions. — Kevin B 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lundin
@KevinB Okay. I still don't believe it will make it one year. — Lundin 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by smci
@xdtTransform: no it's more than just counting the raw count, because sometimes 'DO NOT USE' tags get deleted later (and blacklisted). So 60+20-5 tells a slightly different story to 60+15. Another aspect of the question would be tracking tags getting blacklisted. (Is there a SEDE query for blacklisted tags?) — smci 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sourcejedi
The link posted by rene in the first comment is an official FAQ on Meta Stack Exchange. The deleted FAQ was an earlier revision. It received an extreme amount of noise in answers, comments, and red flags, and cleaning it up was apparently considered too much effort for too little gain. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/336374/…sourcejedi 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Steve Bennett
My take: this "writing the script of the future" was a phrase that Spolsky threw around loosely as a description of what developers supposedly represent in society. The idea of this being some kind of SO mission statement doesn't seem to go back any further than mid 2019, as far as I can tell. I think it'd be fair to say Prashanth has taken a strong liking to the phrase and elevated its importance. (It doesn't make terribly much sense to me personally as a slogan/vision.) — Steve Bennett 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Makoto
@RudolfOlah: Just because they're simple doesn't make them good. I maintain that more people asking questions has no bearing as to the quality of those questions, nor does more signups have any bearing to how much more revenue the site will generate (e.g. unauthenticated users without an ad blocker will always get ads, and they aren't participating on Careers/Jobs). But...I think you get my main thrust here. — Makoto 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user560822
I find it amusing that 24 hours later, not a single comment on the blog post has passed moderation. — user560822 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dfd
"Stack Overflow needs to lay off the current PR strategy." That. It earned you my upvote - wish I could do more. — dfd 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
One permutation of this concept was attempted with SO Documentation which would include basic examples of how to do stuff. But SO Docs obviously failed and was sunset after only a few weeks/months of life. — TylerH 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@user560822 I don't think it's anyone's dedicated job. I usually find it takes at least 48-72 hours for any comments to be reviewed, and then it takes another 24 hours at least for additional comments to get reviewed after that. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
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[ Boson ] New comment posted by jscs
Jon wasn't ousted. He left of his own accord. — jscs 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Remy Lebeau
Seems kind of odd that QT would sponser the [c++] tag but not the [qt] tag. — Remy Lebeau 13 secs ago
 
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