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6:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
@jscs - "I am not going to go into depth there".... So, I kind of wanted to avoid this. Please, if you don't mind, can you delete your comment? We don't really need to rehash all of this here, and if you feel the need to kibitz, maybe you can direct it to Jon's MSE post. "Unfortunately, their decisions repeatedly violated my standards for healthy community management. By November I was actively looking for a new job." -jlericson.com/2020/01/17/leaving_stack.htmlTravis J 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by FreezePhoenix
Supporting the Community is a top priority Doesn't seem to be the case. If you want us to think that what you say is true, or have any real respect for you, you ought to be making some big changes soon. There are things going wrong, things have gone wrong, and the biggest thing that you need to do is stop things from going wrong. — FreezePhoenix 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Script47
Unsure if they're still answering but it'd be a damn shame if they ignored this one which is actually asking for pointers on how to be more productive. — Script47 8 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
"with my reputation, I can only flag 11 times a day." The number of flags you get isn't based on reputation, it's based on how many of your previous flags were marked helpful (minus any that were declined, disputed/aged away don't count either way). If you flag accurately and use up your allotment every day, you'll find it steadily increasing to the point where eventually you probably won't even be able to use them all in a day. — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
The last sentence in particular seems questionable, since you should be doing that with all low quality posts. There's no reason to single out ones by that user unless you're deliberately targeting them. — John Montgomery 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@TylerH Wasn't there also a mentoring program that was abandoned? — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
 
6:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Erik A
Perhaps trying to improve these questions would be a better idea than massively downvoting them if they're on-topic. I see most of the questions now have a substantially lower score than when this question was posted, and since they're attracting high amounts of views, they must be doing something right — Erik A 6 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
There was, yes. It was generally successful iirc, but impossible to scale. — Kevin B 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WBT
To get slightly meta, question directed at moderators: Regardless of who specifically posted it, Is this question best gently migrated to meta.stackexchange.com or remaining here? — WBT 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by smci
@PeterMortensen: what is a decent set of metrics we could use to measure decline in quality and participation? — smci 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by iBug
@TylerH To be honest I wasn't confident with my edits either, but I'm a bit surprised to learn that it deserved a full rollback. Mind sharing your ideas? — iBug 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@Alex often questions from newcomers get deleted as result of what I think teacher sending mail to the class like "I've noticed that authors of couple new questions on SO/Math completely misread the assignment. Please review your homework carefully" :) — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roddy of the Frozen Peas
Oof all those answerson that question are terrible. "try this", code, and no explanation. I would challenge the question's usefulness in general though. — Roddy of the Frozen Peas 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
Enjoy the additional time with the family sir, hopefully you can still come and contribute to Stack a bit. Best of luck for the future! — Patrice 18 secs ago
 
7:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Alexei Levenkov
@RoddyoftheFrozenPeas I'm interested to know why you think the question itself is not useful (for which I probably should start separate question, maybe later)… Indeed code shown may be "typographical mistake" but the facts that min/max defined on sequences (not just array/list) and it's fine to compute multiple stats at the same time are not trivial from what I've seen other people struggle with. — Alexei Levenkov 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WBT
This has become more relevant again now that mods no longer have the degree of control they were promised. See: Has Stack Exchange rescinded moderator access to the featured tag on Meta?WBT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Aaron Hall
@iBug I read the first half of your edits, did not agree with them, and at that point I looked for and noted the rollback and moved on - please hold off on more editing for now. — Aaron Hall ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Boycott SE for Monica Cellio
@AaronHall re: casual users, an important thing to remember is that a small minority of the user base generates the answers to questions, and so pissing them off even if they are a small percentage of the userbase can have a much larger effect. It's of course hard to balance this with the fact that they are also the most vocal, and so you hear from them the most, too. But what I worry about recently is that SE is alienating the people who make the site run, and that the effects of that won't be felt until months or years later when it's too late to change course. — Boycott SE for Monica Cellio 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by John Montgomery
I suggest to stop showing the banner Simplified it for you — John Montgomery 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@BoycottSEforMonicaCellio They're easy to replace. The quality of answers expected now days is so low that we hardly need "experts" providing answers anyway. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
@CindyMeister Yep, new askers were directed to a chatroom where volunteers could 'pair off' with them to provide one-to-one assistance with crafting a quality question. By the nature of chat, though, it would not have been very scalable in size or duration, as Kevin mentioned. — TylerH 1 min ago
 
8:08 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
 
8:22 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roddy of the Frozen Peas
A question for "how do I find the max and min values of a collection of numbers?" would probably be a fine canonical, though. Probably asked and answered years ago, multiple times, with a mystifying title that nobody would know to use as a dupe target. — Roddy of the Frozen Peas 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roddy of the Frozen Peas
Well firstly "without using arrays" is not a useful real-world constraint. I find a lot of these homework questions not useful for real world applications because of the artificial constraints they put on the JDK. Constraints like "I can't use streams because I'm using Java 7" are ok. "I can't use arrays because my class hasn't learned about them yet", not so much. — Roddy of the Frozen Peas 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
They are however useful for people with homework, which is apparently an audience that SO wants to attract. — Kevin B 50 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by smci
@RudolfOlah: sure, but be extremely careful of using the wrong KPI. A 'signup' is not necessarily a 'user', at least not an active user. Some fraction of new user signups will bounce, some will only ever ask a single question and not come back, some will not even remember they signed up on that Q&A site that Google brought them to. Some fraction of new users will convert into active users (as measured over say 30/60/90/365d retention), and some of those will post low-quality/bad questions, some will post duplicate questions, and a small number will post good ones (non-duplicate, MCVE, etc). — smci 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roddy of the Frozen Peas
Not really. A solution without arrays would totally be appropriate for the canonical of "how do I find the max and min...". — Roddy of the Frozen Peas 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@ErikA Both seems to be the case. There are many offtopic questions that just didn't get closed. But there are also some questions that can be improved and be made more useful. After improvement maybe they would probably get upvoted. I like the name on Raedwald's linked MSE feature request. They are basically clickbait. The question is how best to either close them or improve them or tell search engines they are doing it wrong. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Machavity
Google also favors newer content. The SO question is from 2010, while the top ranked blog is from 2014. That blog is also quite popular (I used an SEO tool I have access to and the domain scores reasonably well for a blog). There's also a lot of authoritative blogs that link to it as well. I tend to agree with Cerbrus that this isn't a good example. Ironically, you did miss the good example by scrolling down. I got a More results from Stack Overflow link. A better argument is that SO is dilutedMachavity 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by usr2564301
"... risking the enmity and possible recrimination of others, especially your employees ..." Is that a sentiment shared by your co-moderators? Do you all walk on tip-toes these days? — usr2564301 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by user560822
@Makoto It's absolutely not a settled matter if the site is to have a future. — user560822 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MonkeyZeus
@WBT Thanks, I did see that post. I must say though, the outlook for the community looks grim... — MonkeyZeus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
There's no such thing as an "accepted" comment. Do you mean answers? — Heretic Monkey 26 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberto Caboni
@ErikA I read it, but I am looking for something even more "advanced". Robert's response about "how to" titles is a good example: something that is problematic from SO user's perspective but that will probably be good for SEO. — Roberto Caboni 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WBT
@MonkeyZeus I think the logic is something like this: about 10% of surveyed people think the community is unwelcoming so we need to get rid of the community. — WBT 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberto Caboni
@philipxy I apologize for my poor vocabulary (I'm not native English) that sometimes makes me look for language shortcuts that don't work very well. As I explained in my previous comment, sometimes might happen that a title that is ok from SO perspective could attract more visits from Google if only it had some little changes. — Roberto Caboni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Don't Panic
You don't have to listen to people telling you to accept an answer. They aren't supposed to do that. It's fine if they are just informing you that you can, because some new users don't know, but whether or not you do it is up to you. — Don't Panic 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MonkeyZeus
@WBT I was just skimming that blog as your comment came in. Can't wait for the question quality metric to hit 92% eventually... — MonkeyZeus 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
I still don't understand the last sentence in the post. (I think I have a better guess now though.) Please use enough words, phrases & sentences to be clear. — philipxy 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberto Caboni
@RobertHarvey your answer about 'howto' is a good example of what I was looking for: SEO advice applied to SO best practices. If you could expand that command in your answer it would be great. — Roberto Caboni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Vasudha Swaminathan
@CodyGray I just posted an answer below for how Business and Enterprise in fact, do get used for this purpose already. Hope that clarifies things! — Vasudha Swaminathan ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Roberto Caboni
@philipxy I was not sure you was talking about the very last sentence (the one enclosed by round parenthesis) or the previous one. I tried to improve both of them.. — Roberto Caboni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J.R.
After reading the CEO's long-awaited blog post, I could only draw three feasible conclusions: (1) The new CEO has been kept blissfully unaware of all the recent turmoil; (2) The new CEO doesn't really care about all the recent turmoil; or (3) The new CEO is mostly concerned about "driving forward" and doesn't really mind how many of us old-timers depart in the wake of the new program and new vision. (I'm not really sure which of those is most accurate, though I suspect it's #3.) — J.R. 11 secs ago
 
9:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wizzwizz4
@djsmiley2kindarkness Most of the really powerful mod tools (e.g. utterly incinerate all traces of an entire network-wide distributed coordinated spam attack with the press of a magical button and some SQL scripts) aren't available to moderators; only CMs. And I would be a little bit terrified if I gained access to some of them. It'd be illegal and unethical to give moderators access to do some things that the CMs do on a regular basis (not going into details). More tooling would be excellent, and help hugely (can't stress this enough!), but it can't solve all the problems; we need CMs. — wizzwizz4 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Davy M
[ Boson ] New comment posted by wizzwizz4
@Pekka The CEO engaged with the community; we can't afford to drive him away, even if you're saying what we're all thinking. Best behaviour, and a little less snark, please. — wizzwizz4 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J.R.
That "homework dump" problem could be a significant one. I've always thought I've perceived a correlation between the overall quality of the questions posted and the likelihood that more experienced and engaged users would stick around to answer them. Too much drivel and why keep coming back? (Or, as our Tour pages collectively assert: We're a little bit different from other sites. Here's how:) — J.R. 48 secs ago
 
9:58 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by philipxy
Thanks, I was asking about the parenthesized statement about SEO search. PS From my own prefab duplicate/search comment: Before considering posting please always google any error message or many clear, concise & precise phrasings of your question/problem/goal, with & without your particular strings/names & site:stackoverflow.com & tags, & read many answers. If you post a question, use one phrasing as title. — philipxy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Nah fam, I got unlimited mobile data. — Cody Gray ♦ 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nat
@AaronHall, thank you for taking the lead on this, both in writing this answer and in offering to represent the community in NYC. — Nat 21 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
How do I, as a customer or potential customer, get access to this login-restricted Team? Having to request access adds a substantial barrier to entry, not only reducing the quality of the experience for me as the customer (probably resulting in me going elsewhere and the company losing a sale), and also increases the overhead for the company offering the support service. Now there’s an extra step each time, and a lot more latency, meaning your support quality is reduced by one of the most common metrics. — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Keith Thompson
@HolyBlackCat: The linked answer does refer to "copyright", but I presume the poster meant "trademark". — Keith Thompson 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Keith Thompson
Surely you mean "trademark", not "copyright". Is the actual wording of the policy available, or is it internal? — Keith Thompson 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
Additionally, your answer doesn’t explain how cost is determined. I realize this might be able to be negotiated on a case-by-case basis, but it should be something you can speak to generally. Does the company have to pay for each user who has access to the support forum? If so, that could get very expensive. What about disabling access? How do you decide when to disable a customer’s access to your paywalled support forum, so that you can stop paying a monthly fee for them? Or are you stuck paying for them effectively forever? (Great for SO, bad for the company who uses it.) — Cody Gray ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael Berry
@J.R. I think you're correct - anecdotal, but I know a few people who couldn't be bothered to carry on posting for that reason. I pretty much only hang around in a few niche tags these days. I used to follow the Java tag and pick out a few interesting questions to answer when I had the time, but these days the few good questions there are tend to be lost in the noise. — Michael Berry 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WBT
Since Stack Overflow the company isn't going to add this, who wants to whip up a userscript that detects the "ready to publish" notice and does the necessary question resubmission? — WBT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
It is mentioned here. — Ivar 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by WBT
@Ivar Maybe that should be the target of the "more" link instead? — WBT 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J.R.
I've upvoted quite a few of the answers I've read so far, but I clicked my mouse most emphatically on this one. — J.R. 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
'no reason'..... I feel like there is a clear link to the help center article explaining what a ban is when you get question banned. What's unclear in that help center article? — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ctx
Your question is not particularly bad and your answer is (slightly) interesting. Just bad luck with the people visiting, I think, don't worry too much... — Ctx 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J.R.
Interesting! Incidentally, I threw away my t-shirt last month. — J.R. 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ctx
Can you provide a link to this last question? — Ctx 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by correcthorsebatterystaple
There are any number of ways to provide resources that are designed for "new generations of beginners," or to partner with other places that already do that, if SO is now explicitly targeting that group of users. It's not fair to beginners, or to the professional and enthusiast community that's already here, to attract them to a site that's explicitly designed not to cater to their needs. — correcthorsebatterystaple 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by forresthopkinsa
@Tschallacka There are already a number of (malicious) sites that mirror StackOverflow content, but Google definitely has a preference for the earlier results — forresthopkinsa 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
Using the correct tags on a question is super-duper important. Using so many language tags got it visited by many dozens of people, 98% of them had no idea whatsoever what it is about. Research is a basic requirement to know how to tag a question. Fixed, ought to slow down the voting. — Hans Passant 41 secs ago
 
11:18 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
If the question was edited, it should have an "Edited by <name> on <date>" link below it detailing what was changed and when. It is possible for questions to be edited, but question edits should never invalidate answers. — Kevin B 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nacht - Reinstate Monica
I would really like to recommend that my company use SO for Teams, as I think it would help our business quite a lot, but given recent events I won't be doing that. — Nacht - Reinstate Monica 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
Can you give us a link to the question, please? — Adrian Mole 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I am not an expert in that area, but from what I can see question was not edited in way that would invalidate your answer. Expert that commented is right, you missed the point of the question. why other have upvoted... I don't know. — Dalija Prasnikar 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Logic1
That's the one, I am not sure if I was being helpful or way off topic.. Sry. — Logic1 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
I would have to add that, although I'm no expert in the subject matter of the question, it doesn't appear that the edit has invalidated your answer. The commentator (on your answer) has possibly made a valid observation. — Adrian Mole 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Logic1
@Dalija, I agree, I don't know either, lol, It was when I was first starting getting into programing and Python, I was very new at all this stuff and probably thought I was helping. Answers that.. — Logic1 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
But the button doesn't say "Post your question" when you first click it, it says "Review your question"Nick A 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Logic1
I deleted that answer just now because it was not helping the community. Sorry for any inconvenience it may have caused. — Logic1 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@Logic1 Congrats on your new badge! — Kevin B 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yms
@nvoigt "many very talented developers are afraid to write answers here. I've talked with several of them" I can testify that this is true. In fact, the vast majority of the talented developers I know, see stackoverflow as a "read only" resource and will never dare to participate on any role. — yms 42 secs ago
 
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