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12:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adam Lear
We're in the middle of a large-scale style refactoring project, and it looks like something may have gotten missed there... or it's something completely unrelated! A fun mystery. We'll investigate. Sorry about the inconvenience, and thanks for the report. — Adam Lear ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Adrian Mole
But are there some circumstances where "suggesting an accept" is acceptable, as indicated by Martijn, here on Meta? (I've used this approach, occasionally, for new users who have no history of accepting.) — Adrian Mole 21 secs ago
 
12:28 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JK.
That all depends on exactly how you define "no reason". If you define it as "asked multiple low quality questions that got downvoted, closed and deleted", then why yes, you were in fact banned for "no reason". — JK. 1 min ago
 
12:40 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cody Gray
That is not in itself a problem, @Adrian, which is why I don't recommend using "unkind or unfriendly" flags, since comments teaching new users about how accepting answers works may be innocuous. However, I will still delete those comments on sight in response to "no longer needed" flags. Once they're flagged, they're no longer needed. Either because the answer has been accepted, or because the asker has had a chance to see the comment but decided not to accept the answer anyway. — Cody Gray ♦ 19 secs ago
 
12:56 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Samuel Liew
Deleted questions, score <= 0: (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) — Samuel Liew ♦ 1 min ago
 
 
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2:30 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BSMP
May I ask why this isn’t an answer on the CEO’s question? — BSMP 1 min ago
 
3:04 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dbc
 
3:22 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Yes, innovation is overdue. — Peter Mortensen 39 secs ago
 
 
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6:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
 
6:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bik
Please post your question on stackoverflow.comBik 43 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
@Bik This is way off-topic on SO as well, please don't direct these kinds of questions there. — ivarni 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Bik
I saw the tag matlab on SO stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/matlab. That' why I had suggested. — Bik 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by ivarni
@Bik You should probably take the SO tour, just because a sentence contains a word that happens to also be a tag does not make it an on-topic question. — ivarni 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tschallacka
@PeterMortensen yes — Tschallacka 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tschallacka
@forresthopkinsa actually, Google prefers newest most accurate results. Google measures how long people remain on site and sorts accordingly. Another disadvantage is that those sites have to abide by CC-BY-SA, linking back to SO, which decreases their ranking as well. But if you make a competitor, you can take the content, have the owners take ownership of it, and re license it back to the competitor, breaking any links to Stack Overflow. Then because that content will change and SO's content will grow stale, Google will prefer the competitor because people remain there longer. — Tschallacka 1 min ago
 
7:10 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@KevinB also a large portion of the userbase of SO. Remember that people landing here from searches are users of the site, even if they don't have a user account. — VLAZ 35 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shayne
It strikes me that if these are the most popular questions but are the rating is lousy, perhaps its the rating system thats making the wrong call here. — Shayne 1 min ago
 
7:44 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@KevinB considering that comments have always been considered second class citizens, I don't think saying "this has been responded to" and linking to a comment is really as effective way to say "you've not done research on this". If staff want to stop rumours, they can communicate properly and not in comments. Yes, they've not had to before but I'm not sure they deserve leeway any more especially when improving communication is (apparently) on their ToDo list. As it has been for a few years, I might add. — VLAZ 41 secs ago
 
8:08 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pekka
@wizzwizz4 after all that happened, deigning to write a Meta post and answer a few questions is a long, long way from "engaging with the community" yet - if a good starting point. Should this turn out to be a genuine, long-term renewal of community relations (which I'm not holding my breath for) you will see my snark melt away like a snowman in the sun — Pekka 19 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by visibleman
There is still a "sponsored links" section and a big Qt logo on the c++ tag page itself stackoverflow.com/tags/c%2b%2bvisibleman 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Trilarion
@Shayne Could be although intuitively I would trust the human manual rating system more than the internet traffic. Algorithms like what powers search engines can err easily and we don't know how satisfied visitors were with what they saw. — Trilarion 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Voo
@Yaakov Personally I find it sad that the company can't even be transparent and open about such trivial things any more :( — Voo 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pekka
How are you going to make the business model mix with a community driven model? that seems like the key question. I'd much more appreciate a candid response à la "hey, I'm here to get revenue to X million USD; everything else - including lofty idealistic goals of being a knowledge library, you guys' feelings, etc. - is irrelevant compared to that. BUT here is why I think things can still work out to everyone's benefit: ...." over optimistic marketing-speak we all know is BS — Pekka 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
As a small addendum, a query of the form [c] or [javascript] [function] will return functions tagged as c or javascript and in either case contain function. So it's resolved as "(c or javascript) and function". However, I don't think you can do something like "(c and function) or javascript" for either c + function tags on a question or only the javascript tag on a question. I believe there was a feature request for that but I don't think it was done (also I can't find it). — VLAZ 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by GhostCat salutes Monica C.
@Pekka Exactly! I don't mind business people doing business, in the end, that pays the servers, and the people running the servers and providing the technical basis for all of this. But don't come here telling us that the agenda is about the community, when it is only about the business. I think there would be ways to get to both. But not by starting with BS (business school) bingo with us. — GhostCat salutes Monica C. 37 secs ago
 
8:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
WSL questions are on topic for SO, use the [windows-subsystem-for-linux] tag. About 1 in 3 odds to get an answer, this one might be lower. Finding the proper github.com place would be your best bet, I'd suggest this one. — Hans Passant 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by dumbledad
Thanks Hans. Frustratingly the command runs locally in WSL without issue. — dumbledad 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
The only thing I can disagree with is "Your business and our community are a bit like water and oil - they don't mix." I think that making money is not in contradiction with building library of knowledge. Main problem this site has (if we take out recent events that broke trust) is managing expectations of people that come by and think they can just ask any questions they like. I think that problem is solvable one. It was just never tackled the right way, and it might be harder to tackle it now when the whole place is on fire, but it is not impossible. — Dalija Prasnikar 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
 
9:16 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Magisch
I never got my stuff from the 2018 stuff-a-way, sadly. — Magisch 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
1/. May we have example for the too small police from someone with actual information in the Developer Story? 2/. PDF, is The Portable Document Format. The name suggest it a good format for sending a resume. If this is part of the Feature Request I may need a post on it's own with a list of Pros. Something that justify the devlopement time needed. — xdtTransform 1 min ago
 
9:42 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by alain
IMHO it's not so much "political correctness" per se which created anger, but the accusing and threatening tone used by some SE staff. It would probably have had a drastically better outcome for everyone, if the request to take more care with pronouns had been formulated as.... a request. — alain 2 mins ago
 
10:00 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by tukan
Funny, I have entered a comment to the blog post and nothing appeared. Perpaps the CEO is afraid of the users' posts. Why to give an option to write a comment when nothing is then shown? I won't recommend the SO for Teams either. — tukan 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
This is Meta StackOverflow, your question is off-topic here. — greg-449 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by greg-449
This is Meta Stack Overflow, for discussions about how Stack Overflow works. Your question is off-topic here. — greg-449 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank
@Magisch That is unfortunate, I was not aware of that. I was under the impression that SO was a family business created by codinghorror and joel spolsky. — Frank just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Magisch
This company does not need to participate in the ever expanding credit creation game that banks, real estate, energy, automotive and military firms need to play in the US. The company is owned (partly) by venture capital firms. These firms most certainly need to play that game and they their investment in SO to produce as much explosive growth as possible. These people and their interests govern SO. — Magisch 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Magisch
It was, but they recieved large venture capital investments. I think they also still own some of the company, but a large part of it is definitely owned by VC firms. — Magisch 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Magisch
You know that's unrealistic. The reason a lot of corporations do this is because it's not a winning strategy to shift blame to your bosses (the investors) and villify them. No CEO that does that stays CEO very long, a part of the role is spinning the truth in a way that makes it more palatable or in case that's impossible to at least be the fall person. — Magisch 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank
In this case @Magisch (and thank you for this insight by the way), I would suggest that the CEO stop bullshitting us with corporate-speak and be honest with us. He should say 'I am between a rock and a hard place, I need to achieve growth because I am employed by these people whose only purpose is to inflate for the short term, but I know the only way to do this is by organic and incremental product improvement. Please help.' — Frank 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank
@Magisch Perhaps you are right. Then it falls on us to emphasise that no focus on growth, as a driving principle, should be supported. — Frank 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
posts that got a recent vote do get a higher chance to be shown to a reviewer in the close vote queue. The exact sorting algorithm is burried in complex code. — rene 30 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank
@Magisch On reflection,I think this depends on the investor.I was once part of the tech investment community (consultant for private equity investors) shortly after the dotcom era.It should be clear that SO is a long term investment that would benefit from a focus on product improvement. It is not a short-lived e-shop that can be inflated with a 10million dollar loan and sold to some larger firm in a couple of years. The CEO's job in this case is to send that message back to the investors and protect their investment. By aiming for growth, the business will suffer. Investors will understand.. — Frank 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
@CodyGray since it's impossible to trace comments once an account has been deleted, to back up what I said previously see Yvette's answer concerning Robert Harvey's rejected attempt to be readmitted as a mod on SO: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/393266/3618829Mari-Lou A 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Magisch
The investments they made and the way it was sold to them was as a industry-disrupting (for proof: see recent communication) high growth tech company. That changes the valuation they want and the returns they expect. Fact is, the shareholders seem to be expecting a x10 increase in revenue in the near future, and seem to be making personnel and investment decisions based on that. Many new employees in high positions at stack have backgrounds in M&A or high powered consultancies. This can very much be viewed as sending in the pump crew. — Magisch 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
You can check the post time line stackoverflow.com/posts/59757869/timeline. By clicking the almost invisible arrow just under the downvote button. And see the other close vote. — xdtTransform 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
I think users should stop feeling hurt and having their hearts broken. When one partner of the relationship refuses to admit any wrongdoing, refuses to talk about the hurt and betrayal while newcomers, and disgruntled users, continue to talk about the toxicity of Meta and SO, it's time to acknowledge the truth. The relationship is doomed, call it trust, call it relationship, call it community, call it whatever you like but stop hoping until the day the company comes begging with cap in hand for users to save it from bankruptcy. If that day ever arrives. — Mari-Lou A 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank
@Magisch Oh dear. SO sold its soul. Well, that is that then. I suppose it's time for the 'community' to start building its own OSS online q/a platform. — Frank 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mari-Lou A
I think you're a romantic. A true realist wouldn't pour their emotions in an answer to someone who will not read the upteenth post that is telling them what they already know. The CEO's job is making SO profitable. — Mari-Lou A 42 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MrUpsidown
"when it clearly is an attempt at an answer" - did you mean "when it is an attempt at answering the original question"? I believe this makes a difference. — MrUpsidown 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank
I don't think SO has lost the trust of its users. Some controversy was stirred up, which I don't even understand and can't seem to find much info on, but beyond that it looks to me like a vocal set of users are interested in site ethics, rather than actual SO usage. — Frank 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank
The idea of 'inclusive community' is, ironically, very divisive. For me personally, living in Central Europe, 'inclusivity' is a very North American idea that is strongly related to domestic politics and modern trends. I would prefer if SO remained agnostic to prevailing religion/dogma/fashion etc. — Frank 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ivar
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
If I remember correctly you can post an answer directly when asking a question. There should be a checkbox or something similar. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by geekTechnique
Thanks for letting me know. I was unaware that I could post an answer with the question simultaneously. — geekTechnique 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by VLAZ
@ModusTollens that's correct - there is a checkbox, so you can write a question and answer at the same time and post them together. More about self-answersVLAZ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
No need to apologize... This things happen. I have also deleted answer with 6 up votes where I missed the point of the question. I know a guy that deleted answer with more than 70 upvotes because it turned out to be wrong (it was difficult issue, so on the surface it seemed that his answer was good one and it took few years until someone figured the real issue behind) — Dalija Prasnikar 44 secs ago
 
11:48 AM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Klors
@Nzall as a user with some of the lower moderator tools available - and that has used some of them to a degree - I don't recall ever seeing anything that suggested I was forced to moderate. Where do you get prompted as such? — Klors 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom&#225;š Z&#225;lusk&#253;
ad 5) CTE with test data (i.e. with t as (values (...),(...),...)) should be IMHO explicitly mentioned as alternative to create table + insert into tandem. At least where the question is matter of logic rather than performance. Sometimes I cannot (or am too lazy to do it) build schema or start docker container, not speaking about manual rewriting. I observe many novice OPs don't know this construct and place plain text or csv into questions (or some fancy ascii-art borders or even screenshots in worst cases), so this could be helpful for them in the first place. — Tomáš Záluský 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jpp
Attempts to answer are still answers. That said, you could claim the answers duplicate a previous answer [if so, it appears not a case of plagiarism with malice]. For this you would need to raise a custom flag explaining why it's a duplicate. Don't expect success, since mods aren't subject matter experts. — jpp 1 min ago
 
12:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Frank
@Mari-LouA Not in my experience. The CEO's job is often just to achieve the investment goals of the investor. This often means diluting the shareholding with incremental convertible loans to rescue the company repeatedly over a sufficient length of time that the investors can exit by selling a firm that seems to be sustainable on the surface. — Frank 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
most important is to downvote the answers. The ones < 0 can then be deleted by 20K-ers. Leaves the one with +5. Try a custom flag as @jpp suggests but you need to provide all context and arguments for the mod why they need to delete that answer. — rene 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
Does this answer your question? When to flag an answer as "not an answer"?gnat 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Larnu
Editting seems fine to me. It's when people ask a question, get (plenty of) correct answers, and then the OP says "Oh, I meant this" and completely changes the context that really annoys people. Comments can and do help to obtain clarity for a question, but when that's given you just need to ensure you migrate that information to the question and not leave it solely in the comments. — Larnu 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@Mari-LouA I don't expect an honest answer, I wrote this for our community. I gave up rallying many months ago - as mentioned in my answer. This is a counter post to the CEOs post. Asking for our feedback. Why? To use us? Do they need us? Are they placating us? Who knows. — Yvette Colomb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Yvette Colomb
@Frank I did a youtube video about just that - they've over extended and put money into things that are a waste of time and neglected the thing that brings them traffic - this site - it's no accident the ceo has posted on MSO. Most of the other sites are incidental. youtube.com/watch?v=UfQQ0x2uFdE&feature=youtu.beYvette Colomb 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
That is a rather flawed answer. You need to edit it to get rid of the "works for me, but try this" approach. As-is it is far too likely to draw "somebody is wrong on the Internet" posts from users that have the same problem. — Hans Passant 1 min ago
 
12:52 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nzall
@Klors Mainly in chat, where high rep users get that obnoxious blue sphere that triggers a popup if you click on it. Not only am I being confronted with abusive messages that aren't aimed at me through this channel, impacting my mental health (which is already somewhat unstable due to my autism and the way that disorder is currently portrayed in a high profile criminal trial in my home country), quite often this chat message comes from one of the foreign language sites that I have no idea how to properly deal with because I have no idea if it's actually abusive. — Nzall 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
A tag for this purpose has now been created: moderator-resignationNick A 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by leonheess
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Klors
@Nzall ah, I see. I've not got much experience of SE chat. It sounds annoying — Klors 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
The top 1 self answer on the network is stackoverflow.com/questions/2003505/…. and one of the most recent is stackoverflow.com/questions/59641564/… . — xdtTransform 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nanashi No Gombe
Why aren't the apps developed? What's the reason? — Nanashi No Gombe 7 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Shadow9
@NanashiNoGombe bit complicated, TL;DR is "money", you'll find the long version in this answer by Kasra, who was the mobile team leader, and left SE long ago. — Shadow9 13 secs ago
 
1:32 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MonkeyZeus
Well, even Wikipedia knows that Yahoo Answers is trash. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Answers#Quality_of_answers. "Researchers found that questions seeking factual information received few answers and that the knowledge on Yahoo! Answers is not very deep." — MonkeyZeus 54 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
Looks like a prettier version of the existing notice that had asked a similar question and had two buttons rather than radio buttons and a submit button. I would expect that selecting Yes and hitting Submit would close the question. Selecting No... would not? I have no idea :). — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
 
1:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
Dunno for certain but they might appear under your responses->revisions: stackoverflow.com/users/…Nick A 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
[ Boson ] New comment posted by FreezePhoenix
Not to mention, it's also somewhat comical that I've heard that portions of this post are copied... — FreezePhoenix 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@DavidG I too, but wishful thinking does not help. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 32 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
I think I disagree with all 6 of these points, well done! — DavidG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@DavidG I want you to be right. I want it so strongly that only a poet could correctly formulate it. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
Then you have misread my comment, I think each of your 6 points are wrong. — DavidG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Laurie Stearn
@NickA: Bookmarked! Will be watching those, thanks. — Laurie Stearn 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
For example, let's look at point 5 because there is actual hard evidence of this one. During the process of getting this working, there were significant posts over the years as to why this wasn't as simple as you suggest. To say the dev team were incompetent is a huge disservice to the likes of Nick Craver who has been super honest and open about the whole process. — DavidG 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@DavidG I've read them. My opinion is that probably it was their first experiment with TLS certificates. It is not a devaluation, they are probably very good in the C# backend, only the company, as a collective entity, seems to regularly shooting itself on the foot any time, if they need to do any other than C# backend development in an ascii7 en_US locale. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by DavidG
Then you absolutely have no idea about them at all, or it seems, much respect for the development process in a large company. As such, I am bowing out of this discussion because it is futile. — DavidG 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
@DavidG Exactly, the problem is that the company behaves like a Big Company, while it is not. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by nvoigt
@yms I don't doubt that.I just doubt that any of the actions of 2019 improved on that. — nvoigt 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr. Boy
I wonder if it's common across SE sites — Mr. Boy 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by David says Reinstate Monica
@JD-Stack Do please update once you have clarified this policy. This is an important policy for us users to know. — David says Reinstate Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cloud
There is a useful official help page here. — Cloud 1 min ago
 
2:56 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Heretic Monkey
I think this will have to be done by a community manager. A moderator may not have access. If that's the case, using the Contact Us link at the bottom of the page might be the better route. I happen to know that Adam Lear is an employee of Stack Overflow (and hopefully remains so...). — Heretic Monkey 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
@YvetteColomb I don't want to second guess you but even if it can't be answered, these questions are probably important - and a side that folks that haven't been immersed in the company will not see. I don't think it should be deleted, even if there's no direct answer — Journeyman Geek 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mr. Boy
Sorry but these are bad comments. A UI that won't accept an an answer in case you didn't mean it? A system that assumes you are in the wrong? If I don't think it IS a dupe I should not have to edit my post, I should be able to acknowledge the prompt. If people agree it's a dupe, it will get closed. — Mr. Boy 1 min ago
 
3:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
with regards to questions triaged as unsalvageable, unfortunately its first close review timed out. There is a feature request to improve handling of these cases: In close queue, prioritize questions triaged as unsalvageable to unconditionally stay on topgnat 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
"spam or offensive" - Did you check the link wasn't spam? — Nick A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by manuel_b
So, there is a mix between new tasks and old ones; this is why I have old reviews in pending status and new ones already "completed". Thanks a lot — manuel_b 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
The link is probably suspect. Did you check what was on the other side? Maybe you can link to the audit so we could tell you more. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
@gnat That post only really applies if the answer wasn't spam, as it's been verified that the audit in that question was bad (the same might be the case with this one, but we can't know for sure without it being checked) — Nick A 11 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J. Scott Elblein
@NickA I did look at the link, and it was legit (not spam). It pointed to a valid reference page. I wish I copied the audit link so I could paste it here as well. Is teh ere way to go back and get it? — J. Scott Elblein 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Hans Passant
User npack has been caught posting spam several times before. He owns the web site he links to, easy to see when you google the website name. Posting fake SO answers is intended to draw visitors. You have to be really really sure when you reject a flag from a concerned SO user, investigating the entire Q+A is pretty essential if you can't see anything wrong. The audit is supposed to be easy, follow the LOOK advice and you can never fail this audit. — Hans Passant 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
@J.ScottElblein Sam has already added the link to your post — Nick A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Pekka
A slight variation: let the unhappy invested veteran crowd go off build the high quality question SO they always wanted: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/390983/…Pekka 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
@HansPassant I can't check (rip rep), I assume copycoding is the site in question? In which case it's also linked in their profile and should have been easy to pick up on — Nick A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BrakNicku
@CindyMeister so you have taken the liberty to cast final vote on my tag wiki edit. I respect that, but do not understand how it alligns with your Q and the only and positively judged A and the comment from a mod. — BrakNicku 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christian
Whether or not Stack Exchange Inc is for-profit or non-profit has little to do with whether it's leadership listens. They Wikimedia Foundation has very similar problems in that it cares more about social justice goals then making the core users of Wikipedia happy. You have conflicts about Code of Conducts in both cases. The Wikimedia Foundation currently wants to push through a code of conduct against the wishes of the community as expressed by the Request for Comment votes. — Christian 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@BrakNicku It came up as a matter-of-course when I was reviewing edits. I didn't go looking for it. If mine was the last vote (I have no idea <shrug>) then it was not my decision, alone, just giving my opinion as for every review. And Cody Gray's answer was NOT pinged to me; I would not have seen it without this comment. And his answer was posted AFTER the review was presented to me. So give it a rest. — Cindy Meister 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J. Scott Elblein
@HansPassant Makes sense. But, when all else looks fine, and we're not aware of previous issues with specific users, are we expected to go googling user names, and/or domains? Looking at his profile, which shows his domain was also in the link also seems like a potential mistake to assume it's always going to be spam. For instance, I own a computer help forum, where we post a lot of solutions that I might want to link in a SO answer as well, but only if relevant; does that automatically make my post "spam?" — J. Scott Elblein just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BrakNicku
@CindyMeister for me the conclusion is clear: nothing will change in the near future, the excel-vba tag won't be removed and blacklisted. So what is the point of having a note in the tag wiki encouraging robo-edits? I know you are an expert in word-vba - much less traffic, but seeing dozens of useless edits right now makes some excel-vba expert (I am far from that) go away — BrakNicku 15 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@CodyGray Two things: 1) I was not notified about this answer being posted. Any idea about why that would be? 2) The real problem/question is what to do with the -vba tags that (as mentioned in people's comments) are being edited out (and filling the Review queues at times). Should we go back to "they're a valid tag" or continue to suppress them? Who does or how to decide that? — Cindy Meister 10 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
I'm such a heavy user of the keyboard shortcuts that I had forgotten half of what I just described in my answer below. Thanks for the opportunity to refresh my memory! This feature is fantastically well developed (it was originally an add-on, developed by Balpha, and I've been using this for about 8 years now). — Martijn Pieters ♦ 37 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J. Scott Elblein
Also, why 2 downvotes? Was my question not an honest question? — J. Scott Elblein 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J...
@Christian It's not a trivial fix-all, I agree, but it would be a big step from the company in demonstrating good faith. We can debate codes of conduct, but at the moment I feel much of the discord between the company and community is centering around profit motives conflicting with the community's objectives for quality - something we've demonstrated the ability to deliver when unencumbered by overbearing corporate interference. — J... just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J. Scott Elblein
@NickA ok, was not aware that if you include a relevant link that you have to add a disclaimer to the link if you own it. Noted. — J. Scott Elblein 12 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Tom
"does that automatically make my post "spam?" " ... it does. When you are related to a product or webpage you link to, then you must clarify this affiliation. — Tom 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BrakNicku
@CindyMeister if you follow excel-vba tag you should be aware that one of the best contributors ever (100k+) deleted their account shortly after this all drama (and a short conversation with shog on meta) — BrakNicku 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
@J.ScottElblein "Looking at his profile, which shows his domain was also in the link also seems like a potential mistake to assume it's always going to be spam." - Yeah, undisclosed affiliation is an issue, at the very least you have to say that you wrote the article/own the site in question, and even then you shouldn't be doing it frequently. And yes you are expected to check this in the LQP queue — Nick A 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Nick A
Does this answer your question? Why did I fail on the audit review? (I think this post better answers your question, as the user in question also didn't check for affiliation, which as we've discussed is needed) — Nick A 38 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J. Scott Elblein
Hahaha, 3 downvotes now. I'm not even going to bother posting here anymore, even with honest questions you just get downvote spammed. I'll just go ahead and delete the question since it seems to offend. — J. Scott Elblein 39 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BrakNicku
@CindyMeister and last one note - if you truly believe that - tags should disappear - why don't you add similar not to the tag wiki you are most active at. Patience is a virtue I doubt you will get any extra info from the staff soon. — BrakNicku 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by xdtTransform
I'm not high level enought to get into the LQP. Simply looking at the question it doesn't look that bad. The text was clear. It's not some link-only. The comment is not some red flag about an issue. User are not require to click link in order to be sucessfull in any queue. But judging by the comments here, a deep investigation seems to be required for the LQP queue. Ads and spam are getting really good. — xdtTransform 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
Votes in meta do not affect your account or reputation. Some users may take issue with reviewing a SPAM post as "ok", and use their votes to express that. — yivi 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christian
@J... The issue of the ads was the only issue that was about profit motives and if it would be the only issue, the relationship betwee SE and the community would be a lot better. Monica was fired over a conflict about the Code of Conduct. Focusing on Welcomness has nothing to do with focusing on profit. It happens because it's the political correct thing to do. Question quality or something that tracks the amount of valuable answers would be a better KPI if the focus would actually be on profits. — Christian 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
This has traditionally been delegated to external sites. There are too many different kinds of data formats, with too many evolving tools for SO to be able to keep up. E.g. dbfiddle.uk for databases, or regex101 for regular expressions. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J. Scott Elblein
@xdtTransform "I would've done the same". Do you mean you would've failed the audit as well? Or You would've gone off googling the domain before choosing your answer? — J. Scott Elblein 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
For Pandas, there is advice here: How to make good reproducible pandas examples, which helps you format the example such that answerers can use pd.read_clipboard() to recreate it locally. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J...
@Christian I disagree. Welcomeness drives memberships - it drives traffic. Traffic drives revenue. Sometimes we must be less welcoming to preserve quality - standards must be met. These are in conflict. — J... 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christian
@J... If the core goal would be to push a product for professional software companies, there would be no need to be welcoming to beginner hobbyist programmers but it would make more sense to focus on making professional software developers happy so that they want to support the company. SE largely engages in bad actions for the same non-profit reasons that make the WMF also engage in bad actions. — Christian 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J. Scott Elblein
@yivi you're right, I know the votes on meta have no weight, but I've only asked 2 questions on meta that I honestly wanted to get experienced answers from, and they've both gotten downvote hammered. Seems hostile round these parts. XD — J. Scott Elblein 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J...
@Christian I disagree. Welcomeness drives memberships - it drives traffic. Traffic drives revenue. Sometimes we must be less welcoming to preserve quality - standards must be met. These are in conflict. It's not the only source of conflict, surely, and you're correct that WMF is not perfect either, but I think it still makes sense to separate the community Q&A from the commercial aspects of the stack. — J... 16 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by peterh - Reinstate Monica
(While I fully agree your post) Afaik not we are the customers of the company, at least not in their view. In their view, people buying ads, teams and developer CVs are their customers. We are not customers, we are volunteer contributors in the best case, but more realistically: aggregated stats. — peterh - Reinstate Monica 48 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
Note that correct but otherwise not helpful answers are still subject to votes, and you shouldn't make assumptions as to why someone might be voting. There may have been multiple voters involved, even, voting is anonymous and no-one can read minds. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cl&#233;ment
Then i guess the community should be more strict about adding sample as it is described in your link — Clément 24 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
but when is an unfair use... what? let's allow doing bullying — Emiliano 33 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dave
How in the world would a moderator, or anyone else for that matter, know if a downvote is unfair? — Dave 40 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
No, moderators will not intervene with individual voting like this. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J...
@Christian I think at very least the data will defend the point that objective quality tipping points here are highly correlated to VC injections . — J... 13 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Emiliano: no, reputation is an overall indication of how much helpful content you created for the site. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 17 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
then can we do that downvote not affect the reputation? maybe some new guy in developing do a bad question but is not fair for him downvote and affect the reputation in that way — Emiliano 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
you don't mind your reputation because you have a great reputation — Emiliano 27 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
yeah and it still work in that way but a black spot dirty all your reputation — Emiliano 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Emiliano: Why would a single downvote ruin your reputation? Like everyone active here I receive a downvote from time to time. Can you tell without looking at my profile tab, that this happens? You don't seem to have a healthy perspective on this, you are attributing way too much power to anonymous voters on the internet. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
This question needs a lot more detail to really be addressed in an effective way. What makes you think an answer was downvoted because a question was downvoted? How does that action relate to the community's overall health? How would you expect a moderator to moderate that? — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Klors
... the whole focus of SO, or at the very least vastly improving the feedback and interface presented to new users of why these things are likely to happen, I don't see anything changing. Unless we expect all of the SO users to develop their own long-winded pro-forma responses to every time they downvote, or vote to close, etc. — Klors 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Klors
@Catija "many very talented developers are afraid to write answers here. I've talked with several of them" I too know very many developers who see SO as a read-only resource, but the reasons they give (quite unprompted) for it being "unwelcoming" always stem from - on the one time they did try - being told that their question was poor quality, or off topic, or a duplicate... never because they were being personally attacked. It was the nature of SO itself that they found unwelcoming, the users were merely the voice for that nature. Without changing ... — Klors 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
but a downvote without a constructive comment is just unfair — Emiliano 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Emiliano: Perhaps I have high reputation because I spent way too much time answering questions. Trying to solve the problems of others is a great way to grow and learn! The vast majority of downvotes have helped me improve the posts I write, you should really not let a little -2 stand in the way of improving yourself. Don't blame others for the things you can control yourself. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
but do a downvote and not answer a comment is evil — Emiliano 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joe W
Answers are improved by explaining what needs to be done instead of just including bullet points of things to change/check. — Joe W 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Christian
@J... :Most traffic doesn't come from memberships but from people finding posts on Google. Getting users to write more content that ranks highly on Google would do more for traffic then getting more low level beginner questions that often aren't clear enough to be good Google hits. Traffic from professional software developers also happens to be much more important for revenue of SE then traffic from hobbyists. StackOverflow careers only monitizes professionals. Ads are targeted at professionals. The Teams/Enterprise products are for professionals. — Christian 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
maybe you need add a comment when you do a downvote, that will improve your answer — Emiliano 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
I dont add a question here for evaluating all my answer @JoeW but you right, I will improve that question — Emiliano 31 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
Evil? Can we calm down with the hyperbole? We aren't talking about people torturing,doxxing, or ruining someone. Taking a breather and remaining objective will help — Patrice 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J...
@Christian And yet, here we are. The community of professionals that are the backbone of this stack are in flight. And it seems to correlate pretty strongly with VC injection up top. — J... 59 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Ansgar Wiechers
To add another data point: I've been a member since 2012, wrote 5701 answers, and "reached" (whatever that means) ~16.3M people. I stopped contributing back in November when SEI in an unmistakable way told me "eff you". — Ansgar Wiechers 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Emiliano: Please read Why isn't providing feedback mandatory on downvotes, and why are ideas suggesting such shot down?, on the subject of comments and voting. Votes are not actually meant for you, the author, but for everyone else trying to understand how multiple posts relate to each other. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by TylerH
I would urge caution; "We’re also revamping the review queue experience so that it’s easier and more efficient to use." sounds to me like removing tools and functionality rather than adding them. But let's wait and see. — TylerH 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MrUpsidown
All right, while I believe the 2 duplicates only answer half of my questions, I see now that some clean-up was done on these answers so thanks for that. — MrUpsidown 41 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Emiliano: again, you have a very unhealthy perspective on voting. Humanity is capable of great evil like genocide, slavery or torture. Someone giving you a downvote without a comment is nowhere evil. No-one is trying to hurt you or deny you food and shelter here. If voting affects you this much, then perhaps this website is not suited for you. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Lamak
How is SE gonna improve "answer quality" when it's trying to make high rep users go away?, are they gonna pay people for answering? — Lamak 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Mulligan ᛜ Reinstating Monica
Most downvoted questions are way too unuseful or of poor quality that they need to be edited before being answerable. Downvoting answers to negatively scored questions is common and deters users from answering questionable content. — Mulligan ᛜ Reinstating Monica 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by J...
@Pekka I think I tend to agree with Dalija. — J... 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
ok, after this discussion I obtain some idea, for an improve to the platform, I will create a new question with the suggestion — Emiliano 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Klors
I've already commented to this effect elsewhere, but I believe your 4th bullet point (at the time of writing) is the root (either directly or indirectly) of most of the subsequent issues. — Klors 20 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by F&#233;lix Gagnon-Grenier
I don't think "community" means the same for SE as it does for us now. We see community as the folks we've seen around on main and meta, answering and interacting, the folks who've built the value. They see community as everyone who's not actually on the site yet, and everyone whoose identity fits their vision. — Félix Gagnon-Grenier 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@Emiliano before you go and open a feature request for "make it mandatory for people to comment on their downvote" or some other such thing.... please do research on meta SO and Meta SE. I feel like a lot of the points you'll bring have been hashed, rehashed, and aren't useful anymore :/. Chances are your question is duplicated.... be careful, if you want a good meta reception for the new question. Top suggestions: 1) stay away from any emotional language in your question. Stuff like "evil" "bullying" etc. 2) Make certain this isn't a duplicate. — Patrice 1 min ago
 
5:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Joe W
You may not have expected that but I provided feedback on what could make an answer better and you jumped to the assumption that it was me who downvoted the answer. — Joe W 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by PM 2Ring
"most of the question there are related to Pandas library". Not really. Currently, there are 133,908 questions tagged with pandas, but 1,216,464 questions tagged with python but not pandas. Of course, there are also many Pandas question without the tag, but there are also many Python questions that don't have the generic python tag, just a version tag like python-3.x or python-2.7 — PM 2Ring 36 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
If you're unsure whether the topic is a good idea, and you're sure you've researched the site for duplicates, it is possible to ask on Meta. Don't present all the information, just the core question and whether anyone sees a problem with the topic being posted and self-answered. — Cindy Meister 29 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrice
@JoeW proving once again why providing feedback isn't as welcome as the new users make it sound. It's always phrased as "I want to understand" when the reality often seems to be closer to "I want a target to be able to vent, rant, point to, and argue with". — Patrice 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Emiliano: if you want to present a feature request, please start by reading How do I present a proposal for change or write a feature request for Stack Overflow?. Just so you are best prepared for what is expected of such proposals. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 1 min ago
 
5:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrick Artner
And then there are the "sign up anew for each new question" - users ... and ppl using 20 accounts - not for voting fraud, but for oither unbeknownst reasons. There are even ppl having automated create / sign up scripts - funnily enough often revealing themselfs to be of indian origin - not a hard fact but just a impression of the very limited parts of SO I watch. — Patrick Artner 23 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by N. G. Perrin
Thanks Adam, if you can keep me posted on when you are able to fix the issue, that would be great. — N. G. Perrin 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by brasofilo
I'm an avid reader of Meta SO and Meta SE. First time seeing this phrase "script for the future". — brasofilo 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
It already does, if you have less than 2k rep. on every. single. downvote. — Kevin B 45 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by yivi
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Kevin B
on MetaSE, i have less than 2k rep. Every time i cast a downvote, i get an annoying popup at the top of my screen asking me to leave a comment. it's incredibly annoying, by design. — Kevin B 9 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
that question has 2 years @yivi — Emiliano 55 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
it doesn't @KevinB — Emiliano 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
please, be more accesible for people — Emiliano just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Emiliano: that FAQ is the official stance. It doesn't matter how old it is, the stance hasn't changed. We did point you to How do I present a proposal for change or write a feature request for Stack Overflow?, did you read that? Because it explains you will need to provide arguments as to why the arguments in that post no longer apply now. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Emiliano
I give up, you are so closed that never we going to be aligned — Emiliano 53 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Emiliano: when someone uses the downvote button, there is a message making a recommendation as to what else the user casting the vote could do. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Martijn Pieters
@Emiliano: sorry, these kinds of suggestions come up again and again because a lot of people don't read the information already provided. Make sure you read it, in full, before you make suggestions. I see no evidence here that you have done so. We are all volunteers here, please respect our time by ensuring you have done your research first. — Martijn Pieters ♦ 34 secs ago
 
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