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6:00 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
Some users that started this year are able to gain rep rather quickly: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1095516/…rene 55 secs ago
 
6:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Clive
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Cindy Meister
@Adriaan One possibility might be to force the person's who VTC to first review any pending edit. And, since the rep to VTC is fairly high, that review should finalize the edit (whether accepted or rejected). — Cindy Meister 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by BACON
@StoryTeller Taking another look at that answer I realize that the middle paragraphs do make the case that the author's approach could be actively harmful to their stated goal, so I see your point. I think I was focusing on the fact that answer answers a question with a question, which is why I was of the opinion that (by today's standards) an answer premised on feedback from the author they had not yet received is not really a concrete answer, and comments, not answers, should be used to seek such clarification. — BACON 48 secs ago
 
6:34 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by customcommander
@fbueckert I mean no disrespect but the fact that your comment got so many upvotes proves my point about the vote count being a take-it-with-a-pinch-of-salt indicator. You have actually misread what I said. What I said was: Does OP have to prove that they **don't know** how to solve the problem before allowing people to answer?. Even though what you're saying makes total sense, you're making a comment on something I just didn't even suggested. — customcommander 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by fbueckert
@customcommander If I have misread your comment, I apologize, but I am unsure as to how I would have done so. I pointed out that, no, the asker doesn't have to prove they don't know how. I went on to expand with what askers do need to do, to refute the premise that the asker has met our standards. They have not. — fbueckert 1 min ago
 
6:50 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by customcommander
@fbueckert It's pub o'clock and I may be intellectually challenged right now but Askers don't have to prove they know how to solve the problem and I pointed out that, no, the asker doesn't have to prove they don't know how. don't mean the same thing to me ;) In any case I'm glad to see that the community does care. If I misread your previous statement, I do apologise too. — customcommander 34 secs ago
 
7:12 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@customcommander there are members of the community that feel like people need to bend over backwards to ask a question. We don’t require that and in cases where the community closes questions for the wrong reasons we have a review queue and moderators hopefully rebuff the efforts to redefine what’s acceptable. — George Stocker ♦ just now
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@jonaswilms it is a good question — because just like the duplicates before it, it asks how to do something with new language, so next time we will have even more language to use to figure out if the question is a duplicate. People say the same things 1000 different ways, and without these questions to hone the language people use into something that we can easily identify as a duplicate, it’s hard for us to be immediately and persistently useful. Embrace duplicates; they make the routing system even better. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrik Alexits
@Clive unfortunately none of the answers are good, I tried everything said there, but the error still persist — Patrik Alexits 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by JL2210
Yep, I've approved your latest suggested edits and cleaned up the rest myself. — JL2210 23 secs ago
 
7:38 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lucidbrot
I personally noticed that questions were being closed even more agressively than usually - which is to be expected. And that includes good questions that 3 people just did not understand well enough — lucidbrot 1 min ago
 
7:48 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rjv
@JL2210 thanks so much for the help! — rjv 53 secs ago
 
8:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
Design flaw: the set of close reasons are esoteric. — Travis J 34 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Travis J
I agree with the idea that only OP can edit question into the reopen queue. If the OP themselves doesn't edit the question, then 99% of the time it should probably remain closed anyway, and if it does reopen, it probably isn't the result of the queue. — Travis J 5 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by jhpratt
I agree with @greg-449. I'd have rejected this as well. — jhpratt 54 secs ago
 
8:26 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by weegee
@lucidbrot which questions? You can push them to the RO queue if you like. — weegee 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by sanyash
I also reproduced this error. — sanyash 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Salman A
@Braiam almost alwaysSalman A 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Patrik Alexits
@sanyash if you find any solution, please write it here, thank you! — Patrik Alexits 1 min ago
 
9:14 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Michael
Excellent citations; thank you. — Michael 8 secs ago
 
9:42 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Braiam
[ Boson ] New comment posted by NathanOliver
8 to 13% isn't too bad. I'd rather have that and a little extra work in the queue. — NathanOliver 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by scohe001
I agree with this until you said "score of 9." Why not stick to a score of 3? Or better, make the values {other: 1, silver: 2, gold: 4} and a score of 4? Gold's have the hammer as always, but it takes 2 silvers or 4 others to close. I kinda like it--it'd encourage you to review tags you're familiar with as you'll have more effect there. — scohe001 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jonas Wilms
@georgeStocker hmm, maybe I finally take the time to write a good canonical for "how to turn datastructure x into Y using map/filter/reduce in JS?" — Jonas Wilms 1 min ago
 
10:10 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by lucidbrot
@wegee Wait, can you queue them for reopen without editing? I can share a link to one question that comes to mind which had no code and thus was closed as too broad, but was actually clear and narrow enough and did not require editing. — lucidbrot 47 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Dharman
@rene Trigger words? What are they? — Dharman 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by rene
@Dharman It is a secret, sorry. — rene 14 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Stormblessed
@TylerH I think Safari desktop by default. — Stormblessed 49 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
What are you linking to? Where in the linked post is it made clear that "lack of research has never been a reason to close a question on Stack Overflow"? I and others have closed questions for that reason for years without a problem. What has changed? Am I missing something? I am pretty confused. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
 
10:46 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@modus did you read the question and the answer? — George Stocker ♦ 28 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@GeorgeStocker Yes. It has nothing to do with the requirement to do basic research and trying something by yourself. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@modus If we can’t agree on the premise of the question that is mentioned in the question itself we can’t really have a productive conversation past that. — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@GeorgeStocker Yeah, sorry, I am a patient person, but whatever. I know it's not your fault, but can Stack Overflow please get their act together and state clearly what questions are supposed to be, and can elected moderators please wait until this process is finished before starting to moderate on new grounds? I am fed up with this. Stating that it has never been a reason to close a question is plain wrong. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@modus I linked you to a question from 2011 where this was true; I’ve linked to answers I’ve given to questions from 2008 and 2009 where this was true, and it’s been in every meta stack overflow/exchange answer I’ve given since before and after I was elected in 2013 on this subject. This is not new and it’s something we’ve had to fight off since I joined Stack Overflow in 2008. There’s always been a contingent that wants to close questions due to a lack of research effort and they’ve always been wrong. — George Stocker ♦ 46 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
@modus we don’t have a close reason (on purpose) for lack of research effort. Part of the community wants it; but we even took “minimal understanding” away as a close reason because it was being abused to mean “lack of research effort”. I fear the same thing will happen to “too broad” if people keep using it to close reasons “for lack of research effort.” — George Stocker ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@GeorgeStocker And please don't tell me it's locked because new guidelines are being discussed because that is exactly what I mean: wait for that process to be finished, then start to moderate based on new guidelines. — Modus Tollens 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by MhmKK
With Vodafone operator (Turkey) shows pictures. I guess they didn't notice the ban. Interesting. — MhmKK 1 min ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by George Stocker
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@GeorgeStocker I am not discussing the close reason! Still that answer states questions like that will be closed! A lot of all this frustration will be avoided with clear new guidelines. I guarantee people will follow. But you can't just start moderating differently until they are done. — Modus Tollens 2 mins ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Modus Tollens
@GeorgeStocker No thanks, it's past midnight over here. I just had to vent my frustration for once. I know it's not your fault, I know change is difficult, but I am starting to get annoyed by the continuos, avoidable hassle. I finally want to know where we stand. — Modus Tollens 52 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by duplode
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Salman A
@scohe001 I disagree. Closing as a duplicate is less opinion based than closing for other reasons. The idea of having at least 3 or more people to agree on closing the question is correct. — Salman A 56 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Omnifarious
@ThomasSchremser - frankly the way most IT people in general treat people who don't know what they know is reprehensible and the reason I generally avoid having them as friends or talking to them more than I have to. It's shameful and despicable behavior. The elitism and egotism smells like yesterday's diapers. — Omnifarious 1 min ago
 
11:40 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Ericson
@gnat: I think George is free to spend his time the way he pleases. Using your vote to influence his activities seems, um, what's the nice way to say manipulative? Also, this line of reasoning treads awfully close to voting on the author not the content. — Jon Ericson ♦ 58 secs ago
[ Boson ] New comment posted by gnat
@JonEricson I think I can vote as I please. And I am not interested in his activities (nor I think I can even influence that, no matter if I vote up or down). I only use my vote to help other see whether I support moderators doing like that or not — gnat 2 mins ago
 
11:58 PM
[ Boson ] New comment posted by Jon Ericson
@gnat: You know these guidelines apply on meta too. But that's beside the point. Voting because you want to control (or at least influence) the way others behave regardless of the content is unethical. Or is that another way we've become like Facebook? — Jon Ericson ♦ 40 secs ago
 
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