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11:00 PM
do questions need a score?
that'd depend on the purpose of the site i guess
 
11:11 PM
Questions/posts will definitively have a score. However, reputation will work differently.
Need to figure out a way to prevent racing to get reputation which leads to many low quality answers.
in Android, 48 mins ago, by Mehdi
I would actually love to see a site specialized in in-depth explanation on the answers, the rewarding system of SO discourages that
 
well, my point was more... what kinds of question are expected?
what happens when something comes in that is... well, something that would generally be 0 score or -1 but still generally receive answers?
does the site only want great questions, or is it more of a, help desk, where you want all questions that can be answered
because... voting on questions tend to indicate popularity, more so than anything else.
basically... don't fall into the same traps that plague so
The only real value that voting on questions brings is quickly hiding spam and pushing people into question bans. it doesn't really help with finding good questions, since, what you're really after are the answers.
 
Are you suggesting no voting on questions, only answers?
 
in a sense
if voting on questions does exist, i don't think it should be nearly as visible/important as it is on SO
After all, voting on questions is what makes SO so hard to approach
answers on the other hand should be held to a higher standard
 
11:28 PM
I was thinking of hiding question/answer scores until the person has voted. However, the answers could still be sorted by votes.
How do you suggest going about crappy, help desk questions?
 
let them be answered if they have all the information required, are clear, etc. at least, if you want to attract traffic
duplicates.... could be handled better
 
How would suggest handling dups?
 
like, instead of marking a question as a duplicate, mark an answer elsewhere as an answer to this one.
that would promote answerers creating good well rounded answers that can be applied broadly
 
Also whatever duplication system is implemented it will be cross site.
 
while still allowing people to add answers specific to the question
 
11:31 PM
I don't like answers on one site quoting teh entire answer from another
 
the answer that is used across multiple questions will of course garner more votes
 
(although i have done it)
 
either positive or negative pending it's value
 
@KevinB so you have an option? Wouldn't people choose to add answers to all linked duplicates to garner more rep/votes?
 
there's a lot of things you can do differently with a new system that isn't already packed with millions of contributions
yes, and the best ones will rise to the top
 
11:33 PM
If you have time/interest, I would really love a gist of your proposed system
 
if you share your answer on a question that it doesn't answer well, it may receive downvotes
 
I still think people wouldn't care and questions would get crowded with answers
maybe that's a privilege
 
i do agree
but there may be ways to... control, or, prod into the right direction
like, you get a share of the rep if you shared someone elses answer on another question if on that question it received votes
again, both positive and negative
so you get rewarded for good shares and punished for bad ones
 
hmm
 
TLDR create value for good answers
while allowing people to ask their questions
 
11:38 PM
But I don't want it to turn into a help desk. Like beginner questions that could be found by googling.
 
i mean
what questions can't be found by googling?
that may have been a problem 10 years ago, but times have changed
lol
 
I am changing the opinion based question policy. If asking for the best practice, people can use the best-practice tag. While an opinion, its good to have.
@KevinB you know what i mean
 
The vast majority of questions people ask on SO now days are help desk questions, those that aren't are often even downvoted
It basically boils down to what do you want the site content to be.
What is the goal
the goal of any site is to attract traffic, which comes from search, so what are people searching for?
what do devs need?
you and I probably go to the documentation more than anything else, as we answer our own questions
What I challenge you (or anyone for that matter) to do is come up with a list of 5 ideal examples of questions that you'd want asked there.
 
Many questions on SO (that are highly upvoted) are simply "documentation shortcuts". The answer could be found really easily by looking through the documentation but the answer is easier to find.
 
what you'll end up with is either a list of how do i do x questions, or a list of opinion conceptual questions that would be batted down on SO today
 
11:45 PM
I don't see that as an issue per se.
obviously, the idea is to retain what is good about SO and mitigate what is bad about it while improving on SO's design
 
In my opinion, a site focused around being a helpdesk would be the most likely to succeed.
the most likely to be useful to the most people, fun to use by the most people, etc
 
Would you like it?
 
i wouldn't use it, i'm done with answering questions
me 10 years ago would have
 
So what exactly are you proposing?
 
building a successful replacement of a broken system
building what people want out of SO without it's problems
 
11:49 PM
But aren't help desk questions are part of the "broken system"?
 
what's broken is how those questions are handled
people are able to answer them freely, repeatedly, with low quality answers that are just good enough to get the checkmark
the answers need to be in the spotlight. they need to be refined over time, reused for duplicates, etc, all while giving the askers what they're after: a good quick answer.
if you're pushing away everyone who has a subpar question... you'll also be pushing away the few that happen to have a great one
 
maybe we are defining help desk differently
 
possibly
all i'm saying really is, if you design the site to be exclusive, and heavily moderate incoming questions such that any duplicate, or any "not useful" by whatever metric that is decided, people will be afraid to ask. they'll see that system as having the same flaws that's preventing them from using SO
 
Help desk questions, as I them, are questions that the answers will only help the asker. Usually, because its so specific to their situation that very little to no other people would find themselves in that situation.
 
ok, so, lets take this example: stackoverflow.com/questions/59976412/…
this is a help desk question that has been answered before
many times
many many times
 
11:55 PM
But people also don't want to be on a site where crappy questions (by any metric) aren't "dealt" with.
 
can you find one duplicate?
what if... answers were, well, tagged in some way. maybe they had a description that made them easy to find in a search.
because, this is a common problem that can easily be summed up in an easily searchable phrase
 
Google finds SO questions pretty well. SO search sucks.
 
because google searches the answers.
:)
SO duplicate search only looks at questions
it deems answers irrelevant, because the system is designed around questions
if the question is a duplicate, then it can be marked as a duplicate
 
@KevinB so what would ideally occur with this question?
would answers be linked from dup questions?
 
ideally, the super awesome answer that explains that this within an if statement is still the same this outside of it, and how to better write code that solves that scenario, would be linked to the question as an answer
 
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