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7:00 PM
Haha David
 
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When I puke in the bar I tip the dude like $20 tho
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt I wouldn't tip, but it doesn't hurt the employer at all, it just hurts the employee
 
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Or when my friend does.... lol
 
so I do anyway
 
7:00 PM
Just head to amazon and buy bulk pasta
 
it isn't loading
 
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@forresthopkinsa Eh. The employer will make up the difference to minimum wage if they don't get enough tips. If they get their min. wage they can't complain. So I don't care. Tho I tip 99.8% of the time
 
unless u posted the spinner to troll us
 
if I had to eat Kraft macaroni for two days in a row I think I'd vomit
 
that has nasty chemicals
 
7:01 PM
I'd literally rather eat top ramen
not a fan
 
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Leaving only $1 is more of a slap in the face than no tip, generally. Since they're robbed of complaining about YOU not tipping and just have to feel inadequate for only earning a $1 tip
 
Have yall tried alfredo pizza from dominos?
 
give em a nickel
 
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Leave a thank you card
2
 
back in mah day, we made a nickel every hour and we were HAPPY for it
 
7:02 PM
@LuckyKleinschmidt It's funny how no one knows this. The dishwasher and cooks are probably making the same and are actually working.
wow, sorry
 
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@DavidKamer Exactly.
 
worst thing to do is leave ur number and no tip that happened to my friend once
 
I don't mean waitresses aren't working, but I mean it isn't manual labor
 
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@ex080 It wasn't the customer's number it was someone far far worse
 
haha, idk it said to call if she wanted a good time or something
 
7:03 PM
@ex080 dude probably told his friend on the way out "she'll get the tip"
 
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!!afk need to pay attention to planning
 
haha
 
!!afk need to pay attention to planning
 
!!afk need to pay attention to planning
 
the guy probably says stuff like "You get to treat them bad, chicks dig that" alot
 
7:04 PM
Ok that did nothing
 
@ex080 or did it?
 
@ex080 it does this
 
no
he responded
 
if it did I didn't pick up on it
 
ah
 
7:05 PM
try it again and don't type anything after
 
ok
!!afk
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt test
 
@ex080 test
 
@ex080 test
 
@ex080 I think it needs an argument
 
7:05 PM
Oh it gives the arrow thing?
 
!!afk I made you make me say this
 
no, Cap replys
 
I dont see cap posting
 
also you may need to have browser closed
or de-focused
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt test
 
7:06 PM
@ex080 LuckyKleinschmidt is afk: need to pay attention to planning
 
Ahh ok
it works
 
!!afk for real this time
 
@thebug what?
 
!!afk reading papers
 
@ex080 what?
I don't think it works for most of us for somereason
 
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7:11 PM
2 min delay. If you send a message during the 2 mins the afk is cancelled.
 
what is the grid thing called in CSS where you have constant sized blocks/elements where they overflow to a new "line" when the width would be too large?
 
is there a way to get the first directory/file in a directory with node.js?
 
@PerrinPrograms You want the filename or file?
You can use the FS Module
 
either
 
@Wietlol flex?
fs.readdir will get you an array of filenames
fs.read will get you the actual contents of the file
 
7:20 PM
oh, i see, flex wrap
thanks
 
Yay i helped someone!
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt that makes sense
 
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Look at who the comment is from.
 
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Wait maybe that's not a good twitter profile to be posting here.
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt who? Now I need to know
 
7:26 PM
you've piqued my interest now
 
So true. Good strategy?
You'll never know what I said..
oh main, if you did that about an ICO then I have to buy it
 
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Nominate yourself as RO, save the link, come back and check it
 
we see all
 
NaN
 
!!> 10 / 0
 
7:31 PM
@forresthopkinsa "Infinity"
 
what's wrong with shameoverflow
 
isn't it from someone who frequents this chat (or used to)
 
yea
 
@Rob can my iterative approach be improved? codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/202171/…
 
7:33 PM
!!> typeof(Infinity)
 
@ex080 "number"
 
JS Math I tell u
Lies
Let's all move to typescript
 
that's not going to fix your math
 
Let's all move to Java
 
sure. be my guest
 
7:34 PM
jk I dont like java
 
psst. kotlin
 
it takes a lot of typing to do simple things
 
typing is like 10% of programming
that shouldn't ever be the bar for entry
 
> a lot of typing
I see what you did there
 
Isn't kotlin set to overtake java
as far as android
 
7:35 PM
in certain areas yeah
 
I think JS and Node is still pretty 'Hot'
 
Java is just.... well it is java
 
Java is better than CPP
 
most things are better than cpp
doesn't mean that most things are better than cpp in its area of skill
 
C is fun though
 
7:36 PM
in Android, Oct 5 '17 at 18:44, by rlemon
so in here we have Java, PHP, and JS devs? it's a pissing contest of which of us gets made fun of the least?
we can't be so cheeky coming from JS
 
java is not better than cpp in its area of skill
 
cpp without the templates is better than java imo
 
What other chats do you guys frequent?
 
tavern on the meta
 
@rlemon People make fun of JavaScript because they can't understand it or have outdated information about how it can be used
 
7:38 PM
Damn, I need to get my Rep up so I can also chat in other place
 
@ex080 Python sometimes
 
no, they have very valid reasons
 
people make fun of Javascript because it's a garbage language
 
but it's our garbage language?
 
I love JS. it's my full time language. but I'm going to pretend it's perfect, or even that good.
it's just fun
 
7:38 PM
^^lol wow
 
okay what is the easiest way to extract the following ip address?
 ? (10.0.0.14) at 10:b:a9:74:4f:1c on en1 ifscope [ethernet]
 
@rlemon by full time you mean the one you use for your job?
 
@rlemon you seem to accidentally a word
 
I was going to use awk but don't know awk but found it stupid to run node just to extract it.
 
@TylerH I indeed
 
7:40 PM
@ex080 rlemon writes JS for money, Haskell for fun
>:-D
 
@rlemon Dude as a pushes up glasses reads math books for fun I like referencing functional programming concepts in highly arbitrary and abstract ways perspective it is pretty terribly designed
 
@William sed maybe
 
Haskell is terrible
 
@TylerH didn't know that
 
but to me that means it's better because you have to leave some pretension at the door
 
7:40 PM
all languages are terrible
 
So like freelance?
 
@ex080 (I'm joking about the Haskell, that was cimmanon)
 
we don't know how to make a good language
imo
 
The day that computers can write for themselves we done bois
 
k but have you ever tried x86
 
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7:41 PM
Haskell goes in the same bucket as languages like Brainfuck for me.
 
assembly?
Yes
 
@rlemon I think our good ideas about how computers should work stopped at binary
 
I hated assembly
 
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Just a novelty.
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt feel the same way about Lisps?
 
7:41 PM
java script
 
There is a whole section in the library on LISP
and FORTRAN
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt monoid monoid
 
and VHDL
 
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@forresthopkinsa Dunno
 
@forresthopkinsa LISPs are awesome
 
7:42 PM
I think JS is good in the sense that there is almost no bar of entry and you can do a lot with it
 
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I like JS. It brings home the bacon
 
@rlemon especially these days with JS-based OSes
 
Same can be said for python
 
but any language with a huge community would do the same
 
I wrote my most original AI in a LISP, well a CL called ALegro or something like that
 
7:43 PM
you can do a buttload with PHP
and the community is quite large
so programmers can get the job done. i.e. good language
 
@rlemon clarify "no bar of entry" ?
 
I like phps stupid simple templating engine
if you want to call it that
 
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@DavidKamer jQuery
 
@rlemon yeah like ineffeciently host webpages
 
7:44 PM
@DavidKamer you can get shit done on day one
 
waffles
 
you see results from very little boilerplate
 
!!afk reading
 
@William that's why I used it a loong time ago
 
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@rlemon Yea, people do it here every day it seems...
 
7:44 PM
I still use it for some stuff
 
when I didn't know the right way to do web stuff
 
@rlemon Define an entire application lol
 
@rlemon I don't think that's really true anymore, unless you're actually learning from the ground up with vanilla and DOM (maybe jQuery)
 
"Look mommy, you can post words"
 
and that's still why people use it, I feel like
 
7:45 PM
@DavidKamer hello world is an entire application
@DavidKamer how interested in programming do you think someone will be if it takes them a week to write a chat server and client? some maybe will stick with it, a lot won't
 
@rlemon I would say touche if I knew how to spell touche
 
now imagine if you can do it in a day
or two
 
a couple hours with node.js if you steal some code :D
 
@MadaraUchiha maybe in a professional capacity
 
my personal thought is that php is popular because people who know nothing about web dev can pick it up in about ninety seconds
 
7:46 PM
but for someone trying to get into programming, JS is already there
 
and then they decide they should make stuff with it
 
and you can do a lot in very little time (relative to other languages)
 
@rlemon I think PHP is a better candidate, honestly.
 
read up
I already said that
 
@DavidKamer Don't let Florian know
 
7:47 PM
 
I think JS concepts are pretty hard to build from a background in another language and half the JS questions on here are pretty much either that or people who have no idea how computers/programming works so they can't do anything beyond what has already been done in JS
 
if php had proper object support for Strings & Arrays I would use it more
 
@William Why in the world would you want strings to be objects?
 
Like the number of things that are easy and apparent in JS makes it the language that is easiest to ruin your day with something like really niche and unexpected if you are a newbie
 
I remember trying to learn how to program in the late 90's and early 2000's when communities just didn't exist -- there was the occasional forum or newsgroup
but there wasn't anything like we have today
 
7:48 PM
Just thinking of the hacks C# had to do to not be as retarded as Java with Strings as objects...
 
community is a huge factor in how productive/successful people are in a language
 
@MadaraUchiha oh god yeah
 
No thank you, I'm perfectly OK with strings being their own types.
 
@rlemon This is very true. I think that is why we all hate Java
 
and why's that?
 
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7:49 PM
Poll: Is today the golden age of web dev compared to 2001
 
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Or is today just the "no bar for entry" age
 
harder? yes
better? also yes
but harder in a different sense
 
@MadaraUchiha I have little/no experience beyond basics with C# (so basically it's c base and 'how it looks like java") but String in Java were aweful
 
you have more capabilities, and therefore more complex things to do... but you have resources that didn't exist before
 
@MadaraUchiha so you don't have to mb_epreg_replace compared to JS's .replace
 
7:50 PM
@William They need to allow for methods on primitives
 
@rlemon I think it is way easier to get overwhelmed now
 
It's different from making things objects
 
@DavidKamer also way easier to get feedback and help
 
Objects carry a lot of other baggage with them that you don't necessarily want on common values
 
strings in java are fine
 
7:51 PM
@MadaraUchiha yeah I just call it an object. Method on primitives is all I care about
 
Like you start working on something and end up solving the Ebola crisis before you finish hello world
 
and in the 90's you started working on something and hit a bug and waited for 3 weeks while your forum post went ignored
then spent two days looking at local libraries for JS books
then cried in a corner
 
@MadaraUchiha it's pretty bad yeah
 
@rlemon There were less things to try though
 
@DavidKamer you're missing the point.
 
7:52 PM
I'm just being the devils advocate..
 
@William Objects have identity, can be inherited from, can have properties, can have methods, you get a lot of free... stuff, when you make things into objects.
 
how can you try things if you don't know what to try
there was no MDN, MSDN was barely legit
 
@forresthopkinsa What? String in Java are effing terrible
You can't even == like a sane human being
 
@rlemon very true. I think that is why Java was still popular. Oracle had info
 
the only way I could learn new things was to sit there looking at other webpages source code.
then play with it
 
7:53 PM
It's recommended that you don't use the concat operator in a loop because each one allocated a new object, so they invented StringBuilder
 
then figure out what it did
that was painful compared to looking at a doc or spec
 
Strings are handled very poorly in Java.
 
more poorly then JS?
I new it was bad
 
ohh and no console. this was view-source then save the page then try to run it locally from file://
 
@rlemon I think that is why JS is still sorta insane how all the package managers and setups are
 
7:54 PM
it's not perfect but it's not a big deal
 
@William Much MUCH more poorly than JS
@forresthopkinsa Who the hell thought that strings having an identity is a good thing?
 
as complex as our build systems and tooling has become today, I will still assert JS is easier to learn and work with than it has ever been
 
@rlemon It's not more complex than others out there, not by a long shot.
Have you seen maven/gradle?
 
not trying to say it is
 
@rlemon I would agree with that
 
7:55 PM
never was a comparison :P
 
I'd take Gradle over Webpack
 
gradle is slower than old people walking through a mall
 
IMO though, it is far more complex than it once was. Now you have 10 times the information to learn if you really know what you are doing
 
@DavidKamer That's not entirely true
 
@forresthopkinsa Gradle is pain
 
7:56 PM
Even back in the jQuery days, you still had quite a bit of a gap between "real apps" and "jQuery script kiddies"
 
@MadaraUchiha I mean, if you only want the most basic values to be primitives, and Strings are an abstraction over char arrays, then of course Strings would be objects. And then you just have the baaddd equals operator
@DavidKamer nah, not once you get used to it
 
@MadaraUchiha I know where you are going. But I think you should, for instance, know what a class actually is as a function
 
@MadaraUchiha and yet phpMyAdmin somehow pulls off both :D
 
@forresthopkinsa I used it back in the days of Eclipse and no Android studio... Life is hell
 
@DavidKamer You would normally see a 1000 LoC jQuery $(function() {}) file
And on occasion, you'd see revealing module pattern, constructors, good use of events, etc.
 
7:58 PM
Gradle is a PITA when learning it coming from a Maven background, sure
 
@MadaraUchiha wtf is that lol
why would you ever do that.
 
lol design patterns? nahh fam this is a UI. leave that to the real programmers
 
@DavidKamer Because you're a jQuery script kiddy.
 
when you get used to it, you appreciate its advantages and relative predictability
 
@MadaraUchiha I love how jQuery is evil
 
7:59 PM
@DavidKamer It's not
 
3 years ago it was almost standard
 
jQuery pushed the web forwards years ahead
Maybe as much as a decade ahead. It literally pulled JS from the iron age.
 

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