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4:12 PM
hey hye
 
user1596138
Nvm we on-topic
 
morning
 
4:32 PM
@forresthopkinsa Morning!
 
user1596138
Oh you live in Arizone. It is morning
 
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Hey @forresthopkinsa run over to Waltz TV and tell them to send me the other half of my speaker set
 
did you change your name again
pffft
 
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@MadaraUchiha No that is totally valid.
 
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!!> {...undefined || {}}
 
4:34 PM
@LuckyKleinschmidt "SyntaxError: expected expression, got '...'"
 
user1596138
Whatever
 
user1596138
It's valid try it anywhere else.
 
I looked it up and that place is literally four miles from me rn
 
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I figured.
 
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And yeah I changed it again. Keepin it real
 
4:35 PM
naturally
 
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Another KotH character lol
 
of course hahah
 
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@MadaraUchiha
 
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!!> {...undefined || {a: 1}}
 
4:37 PM
@forresthopkinsa "SyntaxError: expected expression, got '...'"
 
user1596138
I think it makes total sense
 
A K
hmm is it bad practice to constantly reassign a class instance's variable?
i have a form, and i'm holding the validation in an object as a variable inside the class
it's a small object so i'm constantly re-assigning the entire object
 
user1596138
Sounds bad yeah
 
user1596138
Sounds like you should be updating only the property
 
user1596138
4:39 PM
?
 
A K
yea i ahve something like that
rather than keep it inside my state
i took it out
 
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@AK Please don't post unformatted code - hit Ctrl+K before sending, use up-arrow to edit messages, and see the faq.
 
user1596138
lol
 
A K
hmm i dont want to clutter my state
 
user1596138
Well the first question is: Does it belong in state?
 
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4:40 PM
If it does. Put it there :P
 
A K
argh
 
user1596138
Clutter isn't normally an issue if you always ask that question first
 
A K
it doesnt have to be there
but yea i get what youre saying
thanks for the tip
 
user1596138
Right but you can objectively decide where it belongs in most cases. That's what I try to do
 
A K
it gets hard to discern objectiveness and subjectiveness in programming :D
 
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4:42 PM
True but in React state it's pretty obvious
 
A K
forms get very iffy in react
it's really easy for it to get out of control and become and unmaintainebl clusterfck
 
user1596138
True. Something we've been doing is just using form.checkValidity on changes and relying more on the DOM than custom validation.
 
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Turns into a cluster if you want custom invalid messages tho.
 
A K
yea. my team is full of junior engineers that dont like to listen
so it ends up me just constantly taking over and fixing it
 
user1596138
I've been that guy before lol
 
4:48 PM
who is lucky?
is lucky lady bird?
 
ladybird
yeah
 
oh cool
hi ladybird
 
user1596138
Yea I evolved from a redneck's dog to a redneck
 
next he'll just be a neck
 
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LOL
 
user1596138
4:50 PM
In 30 days
 
looking forward to it
 
Hi
 
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how to detect fake mobile numbers? like receive-sms-online.info
 
detect using javascript?
well you could use REGEX to make sure the format is valid
 
4:54 PM
you can't really reliably detect a burner number
why would you want to do that
your motives are Questionable
 
no, the format is valid, I hope is there any kind of API which can help me out
 
if people are giving you a burner number then that means you're forcing phone number input from people who don't trust you with it
 
Today I'm starting a new project on sentiment analysis
 
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Pasta is cheap
and super filling
they will still end up making a profit
 
4:59 PM
ohhhh boy
 
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@Ravi A user who didn't want to give you his phone number before certainly won't just because you found out he gave a fake. Do you want to guarantee exclusion of such users?
 
but then you have to drive to oliver garden not worth it
> Dine-in only.
Not valid for online or ToGo orders.
 
Also olive garden is overrated
You could always send a text to the number to validate
 
I can't remember the last time I ate at one
 
u can togo at olive garden
 
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5:01 PM
@Ravi If you really want to force valid phone numbers all you gotta do is verify them before allowing them to move forward in the sign-up. Twilio etc can do this for you.
 
@ex080 they're online burners, you can receive texts at them for like an hour
 
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Send them a text, have them reply to it or input a code.
 
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Oh haha I misunderstood the question.
 
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Answer is NO
 
only real way to validate that it's not a burner is to randomly send them another verification text like three weeks later
11 secs ago, by Lucky Kleinschmidt
Answer is NO
exactly right
 
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5:02 PM
Ty, I will use that burner site from now on
 
there are a bunch of em. I use burner emails all the time
 
user1596138
A user can also just sign up for an app like TextFree
 
so does the pastapass come with a meat
 
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The only way to get valid, legitimate phone numbers is to give the user a legitimate reason to give it to you.
 
probably chicken, I'd assume
 
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@William Meat sauce
 
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You also get free soup
 
there's meat there
meatballs, chicken, etc
ohhhhhh but it's for an additional price
ouch
 
user1596138
Oh yeah yoyu can get all that
 
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No it's not additional cost
 
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5:06 PM
What does the Never Ending Pasta Bowl® menu include?
Pastas: Fettuccine, Spaghetti, Rigatoni, Angel Hair, Cavatappi, Gluten-Free Rotini, Whole Grain Linguine
Sauces: New! Creamy Spinach & Artichoke, Creamy Mushroom, Traditional Marinara, Five Cheese Marinara, Traditional Meat Sauce, Alfredo
Toppings: New! Garden Veggies, Meatballs, Italian Sausage, Crispy Chicken Fritta, Grilled Chicken, Crispy Shrimp Fritta
 
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hah
 
tricksy hobbitses
 
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Panera should do the same thing
 
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> Unlimited bread as hard as a brick
 
5:08 PM
lul
 
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Contractors would save shloads on building materials.
 
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Gah I waited too long to grab lunch. Now I gotta have something delivered
 
I think I'm gonna buy it
 
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Good luck. This is an internet fad
 
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You need to be ready to click the button at 2
 
5:12 PM
got my japanese thinkpad keyboard
the symbols are probably going to drive me insane
^&*() on the keyboard are in the wrong place
and I rarely remember where ^ is supposed to be
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt oh I will
 
Typematrix is the only keyboard I can use well now..
 
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I don't understand why some people torture themselves with obscure and off-the-wall keyboards/layouts
 
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Anything to be different
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt for me it simply has more keys
I already touch types so there additional keyys are just there for the benefit
 
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5:17 PM
In a short while you'll have difficulty using every other keyboard you encounter in your life
 
I've considered moving to Dvorak plenty of times
yeah that's why I don't
even though it'd be nice to spare my hands from carpal tunnel
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt uhh not really
I mean ISO, ANSI, JIS keyboard layouts are quite common
and aren't that different
most of the keys stay the same
the one exception
is the blackslash \ on the keyboard
it was stupidly moved in both JIS and ISO keyboard layouts
other then that you just get additional keys
if you type on an ISO layout typically switching to ANSI is a breeze except that you loose an additional key
 
user1596138
Oh maybe yours is fine I was more making a blanket statement
 
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I've seen some crazy keyboards
 
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I'm still waiting for the day I can type with my thoughts
 
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5:21 PM
That will spare my hands
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt hmm a blanket statement about what layout? Do you have a picture? There are really only three types of keyboards ISO, JIS, ANSI unless you buy some stupid small company brand
or split keyboard
 
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@William So-called ergonomic keyboard for example. Typematrix which was mentioned in this thread
 
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Etc. Not necessarily limited to key layout (i.e. qwerty dvorak)
 
yeah I do agree yeah the split/matrix keyboards would drive me insane
the keys aren't similar enough locations
well especially the modifiers
 
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Or Stephen Hawking's tongue keyboard
 
5:23 PM
1 character per minute typing speed
:D
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt Type matrix can switch to a bunch of different layouts, but I use qwerty.. I just don't like key offsets
I definitely can handle typing for longer periods now that I use this.
 
@DavidKamer every operating system in existence that is relevant can do software switches
there is no need for a hardware switch to dvorak
or whatever you may use
 
@William this has hardware switches with available mats
@William Easier to switch
 
easier?
in what way?
 
easier on the head
 
5:29 PM
I disagree on easier
 
@William I would use it if I had dvorak with vim
 
if you're learning dvorak, you don't want to have to go through the whole keyboard to remember where 'g' is
 
@forresthopkinsa I use dvorak you don't need to do that
 
I'd rather the keys tell me what they are than to have a cheatsheet on the wall or something
 
@William clicking a button to switch lol, how is that not easier than navigating your OS and memorizing and change dual boots and vms
 
5:30 PM
except for the first week
 
sure ok, week one
 
@William Seriously, you want to go through a switch every VM
actually
I have no idea if that is an issue
lol, I've never had to do it
 
@DavidKamer dual boots I understand but I use VMs and if you create a custom keyboard layout correctly it works fine in VMs
I know because I use one
 
@William It would probably partly depend on the manager
 
if colemark was preinstalled on windows I would have learned that
 
5:32 PM
I use virt-manager so if you're talking about virtual box or vmware it might not apply to me, but you're right it shouldn't matter
 
Dvorak is basically the only other highly supported otion
 
@William well I can fn + f5 into colmk if I wanted to
 
@DavidKamer I believe some VMs you are correct don't work correctly
the easy/quick workaround is synergy
 
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OMG mobile chrome finally blocking popups properly.
 
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@DavidKamer The mats look nice. Do the keys feel all spongey tho? I can't imagine any way a rubber mat over the keys would be functional
 
5:38 PM
I only bought a dvorak mat and I haven't learned dvorak yet, but let me find it and test for you hold on lol
 
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lol I'm big on feel. Which seems contradictory since I use chiclets
 
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This has been my main man for 2 years
 
I can definitely say that it feels a little spongy
it's super quite though
 
@DavidKamer there is no need for a mat to learn dvorak
 
5:43 PM
it feels like one of those old push button digital things from the 90s and 2000s lol
 
I use dvorak extensively and have a couple keys switched around
 
I know, alot of people use the mats because they like the way it feels.
 
This is the dvorak I use
I have 2 letters swapped
and put their symbols back to basically the same place in qwerty
it keeps my head from getting to confused typically
 
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@William There sure is, that's why they sell them and they sell keyboards with the proper layout :)
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt if you want to put labes on the symbols fine
everything else you need to learn to type anyways
 
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5:45 PM
I would never type on something with mis-labeled keys.
 
I mean keyboard shorcuts are annoying I guess
I do, no real issues
 
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Almost no keys match.
 
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@William WHat are you talking about?
 
@LuckyKleinschmidt I type on dvorak
no labels on the keyboard
in fact the picture is above
 
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The vast majority of users don't want to type on something where the keys aren't labeled correctly.
 
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5:47 PM
I would dare say 99%
 
the vast majority of users are typing on qwerty/
 
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Yep. And they wouldn't switch layouts without switching labels.
 
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4 mins ago, by William
@DavidKamer there is no need for a mat to learn dvorak
 
I'd try dvorak but I'd never do it without labels
 
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All I'm saying is this is bogus.
 
5:47 PM
They wouldn't switch keyboards period
 
helloooo
 
I would never be able to convince my mom to do it or my dad
 
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If they did, they wouldn't do it with bogus labels
 
I've spoken with like five other people over the past few years who have said exactly the same thing
sure, try dvorak, but only with labels
 
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Yep, it only makes basic sense
 
5:48 PM
okay whatever but I didn't learn dvorak with labels and have only used it for the symbols on the keyboad
 
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Cool story bruv
 
that's it
 
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1 min ago, by Lucky Kleinschmidt
4 mins ago, by William
@DavidKamer there is no need for a mat to learn dvorak
 
user1596138
False. Agreed.
 
maybe not a need for it but a near-universal want for it
 
5:49 PM
you don't need it but maybe it makes you "feel" better
 
user1596138
That's a need
 
> "feel"
 
user1596138
"a need" is different from "you need"
 
why is that even like, why is that a quote
 
I need toys
 
5:50 PM
lol guy
 
user1596138
The need could be for feel.
 
that doesn't make sense quite does it?
you see labels are kinda like toys
sure it makes you happy but strictly speaking you don't need it
 
aaaaaaahhhhhhh
 
user1596138
Well okay, then there's no need for labels at all on any keyboard lol
 
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That's your point?
 
5:50 PM
@William When you say "labels" in the JS room it makes me anxious.
 
let's just use freakin punch cards
 
We aren't bringing those back from the dead, are we?
 
sure, I mean, we don't need keyboards, they just ""feel"" better
pfft
sure, using Chrome rather than IE9 makes you happy but strictly speaking you don't need it
 
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Hahaha
 
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you don't need Chrome
 
5:54 PM
I'm a power user. I use Lynx
 
speak for yourself, I need chrome
 
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@CapricaSix needs FF
 
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And that's a fact
 
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I think
 
she's fine on chrome
I just bogart chrome for myself
 
5:55 PM
I'm not going to lie pastapass.com thought it said pastepass.com
 
user1596138
Oh okay, back in the day it was worse iirc
 
thought it was the new pastebin
 
iirc FF had edge features chrome didn't for a while
 
user1596138
5mins to pastapass who is getting it?
 
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My girlfriend works in the mall that has it. So thought of getting it for her so she always has free lunch
 
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5:56 PM
They're too slow tho
 
can't getting it to go is a deal breaker for me
I mean I understand why
but it completely screws up everything
no preordering
 
I think I'm gonna get it
 
100 or 300
 
THIRTY SECONDS
100 fo rme
 

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