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5:00 PM
@SterlingArcher btw, are you tracking that guy?
 
I will kick anybody who even slightly baits him.
Fair warning
 
what are you all doing here?
 
@Neoares no I don't stalk, but I see him all the time in answers and comments since he's a JSer too
 
oic
> JSer
like if JS was a k-pop group xDDDD
 
Google is almost as bad as Apple at deprecating APIs. Like seriously why should an app that works in 7.0 stop working in Oreo.
 
5:01 PM
wait
does this guy have 373k rep?
 
He's here by the way, just not talking. Hi @jfriend00 :)
@Neoares yes, he does have some remarkable answers. Long time contributer
I guess he doesn't want to chat. Aww well, back to bidnis
 
@SterlingArcher psh he aint no friend of mine
lol never actually have seen them before. That much rep and a default avatar?!
 
that's so superficial
 
OK, Sterling, I'm here. Though I see you guys are all ready to pounce. I'm willing to have a civil conversation, but if you're all just going to jump on me, I'll likely not stay.
 
He's a friend of mine
I'm ready to pounce @jfriend00!
 
5:08 PM
any have a recommendation for usb-c headphones? Not over the ear ones.
 
@jfriend00 lol
 
@jfriend00 I already warned people not to attack or troll
 
@jfriend00 What's up? We both worked on for like 2 years - thanks for your work dude, Over 500 answers, very nice :)
 
we never troll
 
wait wtf, I didn't see the previous discussion
 
5:09 PM
There's a third option?
 
Guys, forreal, not on this one
 
lmao. I just saw the name jfriend, my name is Jason, I don't know you, hence my original comment.
 
i'm not your jfriend, jpal
 
:(
 
@jfriend00 I brought you here to discuss the whole "why did you downvote me" thing, not in any way discrediting your answers
 
5:10 PM
He has a lot of good answers
 
I would hope with that much rep
 
I see it all the time, and I've seen it get a little snarky too. Is there a reason you do that? You've read the meta on it right?
 
@Luggage I'm not your jpal, jbuddy
 
When I get a downvote, I wonder why. I wonder if I missed something in my answer or misunderstood the question. I am usually willing to improve my question if it is missing something. So, when I get a downvote with no comment, I ask why?
 
looks fair to me
 
5:12 PM
@jfriend00 I wonder the same thing on downvotes, but 9/10 times you wont get an answer, and it tends to invite more downvotes
 
except when he gets salty
 
@jfriend00 I get downvotes for telling people to use native promises and not bluebird in certain cases - I had a guy tell me I simply didn't understand the difference :D
 
It's not fair for sure, but sometimes just letting it ride will save you from votes. Some people will vote strictly on "the question was bad" even if the answer is correct or phenomenal
 
maybe he doesn't care about getting more downvotes, he just wants to know why (it's a guess)
 
From my point of view, if you downvote without a comment (a drive-by downvote), you offer no chance for the person you downvoted to get feedback on what they did wrong and learn - perhaps modifying their behavior in the future.
 
5:14 PM
He has an answer on when to use a promise library over native promises
 
I don't recall a vote of mine that was on one of your answers due to something that a comment would help fix. Your answers are high quality. It's usually more a problem with the question. and, yeah, i understand that's unfair.
 
@jfriend00 though you don't owe it to them, although to be fair I don't downvote at all in the tag and I upvote just about everything on the tag because I wanted to promote promises, that's why I started answering stuff there to begin with though I stopped when it got popular.
 
I've left a comment as such for you in the past, but it wasn't constructive
 
@jfriend00 on that I agree, however, meta.stackexchange.com/questions/135/… this has been multiple times discussed
 
8/10 times I downvote and leave a comment they improve it, 1/10 I get revenge downvoted for a month :D
 
5:17 PM
^
Some people are pretty salty over downvotes
 
I obviously didn't bring you here to tell you how or which questions to answer, but you know the community well enough to know certain answers on perceived "bad" questions will be voted to shit
 
Although past 10K rep it really doesn't matter IMO, it's about spreading knowledge - SO is a very effective tool to promote things you care about.
 
That's where I'm coming from, aside from that, thanks for everything you answer
 
@SterlingArcher - Multiple times discussed with what conclusion?
 
It's perceived as whining tbh
don't whine about a dv and move on.
 
5:19 PM
There really isn't a conclusion, they're not obligated to explain
However, in my experience, DV complaints are more often simply received with more DVs
it's just how some people work
 
I know they're not obligated to explain downvotes. People aren't obligated to ask decent questions here either. But, we try to teach people better behavior here (at least I do) and comments are pretty much the only tool we have. A downvote without any explanation is like sending your kid to the corner for 15 minutes and not telling them why. It's not very likely to modify future behavior which would be the best overall outcome.
 
It's nothing like sending your kid to the corner without an explanation..
it's not a punishment
it's a decrease in arbitrary internet points
 
@Loktar - I can certainly make sure my asking uses words that don't sound like whining. It is easy to go down that path because a downvote or what you think is a pretty good answer to the question without any explanation does tend to annoy you.
 
with no emotional consequences, like sending a child to the corner would cause.
 
@Loktar - Actually many people on SO feel like a downvote is a punishment. Many people do take it personally. Perhaps they shouldn't, but they are people and it's an undesirable thing.
 
5:23 PM
the child example also means it would have to be a person of authority doing it.
 
@jfriend00 I didn't bring you here to tell you how to use your account :)
 
@jfriend00 are you one of them?
because we're not talking about people now
 
Don't worry about that, you're free to do whatever you wanted! My intent was to extend an olive branch to you
 
I downvoted the answer, along with the others, because the question was unclear. Most questions around the operation of promises have already been answered, but the question in it's original state couldn't be closed as any of them because it wasn't clear what exactly the question was asking; information was missing. IMO, an answer to an unclear question is not useful. It's a waste of time and space, and prevents the not useful question from being dealt with properly.
 
I almost never downvote tbh, it has to be really bad, but personally try to leave an explanation
 
5:24 PM
@Loktar Then why does it come with a rep decrease?
 
the main thing is just not getting too angry with a dv.
 
I get angry with divs
 
People take losing reputation personally, like it's hate speech, when it simply isn't.
 
@KendallFrey how is that "punishing"?
 
Put me at 1 rep (but let me see deleted material) idc
 
5:25 PM
it's a number decrease, but doesn't carry a punishment with it.
 
1 rep for me it's quite a lot
 
being kicked/banned is a punishment
 
1/380
 
removing of permissions, or authority is a punishment
 
5:25 PM
@SterlingArcher you won't get chat privs at 1rep :B
 
losing a point is just part of the SO "game"
 
@SaitamaSama I mean privs aside, I don't give a shit about my rep :P
 
@Loktar How do you define punishment?
 
@jfriend00 right but the goal of a downvote is not to educate. I get that it's offensive that you put effort into something and someone random rejected it without telling you why - but really you cap every day anyway.
 
@KendallFrey how Google does
 
5:26 PM
@Loktar you should more than everyone know how mad people get at games
 
If it's purely retribution, then no, nothing needs to be considered a punishment
 
> the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offense.
 
So the points difference doesn't really matter - and the visibility difference typically isn't there
 
I saw no value in leaving a comment on your answer because my voting is based on my opinion, and based on past interactions with you i assumed you would simply disagree, and the interaction would be of no value.
 
I don't think retribution is a useful definition of punishment
 
5:26 PM
is it then a punishment for the person giving out the dv?
since they lose 1 point as well?
 
no. It's just a decrease in currency.
 
I think it's relative to the person
 
which is a punishment. That's my point
 
That's not a punishment.
 
5:27 PM
hey
 
That's a payment.
 
a decrease in my currency would make me so angry
 
We're getting existential up in this bitch
 
lmao
 
lol
 
5:27 PM
i mean.. once you get to a certain point it's hardly a currency
 
yeah this is getting so deep meta
 
@SterlingArcher I'm this close to starting to argue Sam Harris
 
i can't lose more rep casting downvotes than i gain in a day from that stupid === answer
 
Who is Sam Harris?
 
Author and philosopher I guess
 
5:28 PM
@jfriend00 for what it's worth, you should join us in here 😀 Admittedly it's a shit ton of joking around, but there are often incredibly discussions I bet you'd enjoy being a part of
 
He says that free will doesn't exist, and therefore retribution shouldn't either
 
@Loktar currency implies I can sell it
 
like 50% troll, 30% hobbies, 20% baller JS
 
> the fact or quality of being generally accepted or in use.
SO accepts points in exchange for permissions
 
s/er JS/s/
 
5:29 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum that's a bit broad
 
I just snubbed my toe
 
@Loktar It's not an exchange
 
I guess not wrong though
 
I have never felt such pain
 
and in exchange for answers
(bounties for example)
 
5:29 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum - I guess I think stack overflow is a better place if we all work toward the best content (best questions and best answers). A downvote is a useful tool toward that end, but only if it comes with some feedback on why. Otherwise, it's just a drive-by whack on the wrist that won't ever influence behavior. If that's what lots of downvoters like to do here, I can't stop them. But, it doesn't mean I think that's the best use of a downvote.
 
I'm not sure how to word this, and I'm already sorry, but would slaves be considered currency?
 
@KendallFrey how isn't it an exchange?
 
That's a legit question
 
You may not be "losing" your points, but you are gaining from a value
 
@Loktar You're not giving anything in return
 
5:30 PM
yes you are...
you're giving time/effort for points
SO then gives you permissions based on that value
 
Points look good on a resume too
 
@Loktar Then you should have said SO accepts contributions in exchange for permissions
 
I got my job at SNC because they liked what they saw on my SO profile
 
permissions and points, I guess
 
yeah
 
5:31 PM
Minus the avatar
 
quick maths
 
was typing "like your avatar?"
 
too slow
 
unlike in bed
 
5:32 PM
kek
 
psh he even make it to the bed?
 
how do you know
 
@jfriend00 yeah, the way I see it if you get downvoted think about why - but don't take it personally (for example I don't downvote before I even see who wrote an answer- causing a few instances of "you cannot downvote your own answer" errors years later :D) and remember how insignificant it is compared to your actual contribution. You're teaching hundreds of thousands of people - that's the important part.
 
meta gone sexual
 
Oct 8 '15 at 15:30, by Sterling Archer
Like I said, I'm very glad I had the idea to change my avatar to Babou, because they pulled up my profile on the monitor lol
Oct 8 '15 at 15:30, by Sterling Archer
I was like omg thank fucking god "got dick" isn't up there right now
 
5:32 PM
lol
 
It's a lot harder to have students dislike you as a teacher/lecturerer to be fair
 
@SterlingArcher wow it's been that long
 
s/got/god/
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah I definitely agree with that. You also have to remember there are millions of people using the site.. you have people who just don't understand downvoting as well
 
@Mosho yeah man, October 8th was just after I started at Sierra Nevada
 
5:33 PM
hence why it's important to not take it personally at all
 
He's come so fa.. wait
 
could even be a Russian bot! :p
 
I'm averaging 2 years per job? But I can see myself here at Greensmith much longer
 
!!remind me in 1.5 years does @SterlingArcher still like his job?
 
@SterlingArcher wow
 
5:33 PM
@Loktar Nudge #2 registered.
 
SNC was incredible, but I'm not cut out for corporate
 
@Loktar starts chanting Atwood, Russia, possible collusion
 
haha
 
@Neoares well, in my defense I've only had 3 jobs (this is my 3rd)
 
@Loktar yeah, I get downvoted when people simply don't like the answer they get. Like getting downvotes on Node stuff because they don't like the fact an API works a certain way.
Or Angular people voting React stuff and vice versa sometimes :D
 
5:34 PM
Hi, help me for a problem in Angular 2 stackoverflow.com/q/48753028/4834833
 
@mukundpatel Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
heh yea
 
@Loktar nudge .5 years does @SterlingArcher still like his job?
 
@jfriend00 I was just being a bit of a devils advocate, getting down voted is annoying. For what it's worth I've never downvoted you 😉
 
5:35 PM
@SterlingArcher 2 years is definitely fine for a tech job, I've only had 3 (full time, programming) jobs too - last one was for 5 years. (Lots of consulting, teaching and freelancing though)
 
@SterlingArcher - "dupe hammer"?
 
@SterlingArcher I remember that
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum especially for the first beginnings of your career. Job jumps (not frequent) are where the large raises come from
 
@mukundpatel where are your manners?
 
5:36 PM
After the 3rd hop, the raises between jobs get more tame
 
oh man #1 on this is great. And not an issue when you work from home
> As being gay is becoming more accepted in society, what is something you’re still waiting for to be accepted?
 
1st -> 2nd job $25kUSD raise. 2nd -> 3rd job $30kUSD raise
 
> Leaving work when you have finished all your tasks. Once in a while I will be finished up early and then still stay a few minutes late just to seem busy.
 
It's obviously unsustainable
 
I do that all the time
 
5:37 PM
@jfriend00 so I'm guilty on that one (thankfully I didn't vote), but say you walk in on that question seeing that the guy who closed it also answered it
 
It's not that I have nothing to do, it's just that Ifinished what I wanted to fisnish
 
Doesn't look good :P
 
@SterlingArcher I actually got less money at times, but to be fair I had a chance to make double and I took a job I'd actually like at a startup writing cool stuff vs. one I would likely not writing skins for database
 
@Cereal yeah I do now since I work from home, but in the office it just "looks" bad which is annoying
 
Oh I didn't mean I leave, just that I twiddle my thumbs
 
5:38 PM
if you work in a cool place though and can do that, that's awesome (not you but you in general I mean)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum oh definitely, I would take less money if it meant an opportunity to change the world
 
I usually work on some personal project to fill time
 
@SterlingArcher same here
 
oh right, yeah would be awesome to just leave
 
I think I would take double the money :P
 
5:38 PM
2.5 years, 2 months and 8 months (the current one)
 
Although I'd definitely like making double the money
It's just not the priority
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Have you considered starting your own?
 
I actually told myself after my major interview here that I would literally accept less than my current salary for this place
 
@SterlingArcher - Yeah, but he edited his question, making it into an exact dup. I and many others originally thought the question was about something completely different (because it was about something different).
 
I started writing a user tagging system for this chat yesterday
 
5:39 PM
@Shmiddty many times, but I really value my health and all the founders I know are really unhealthy :D
 
@rlemon Do you have objections to Prettier?
 
@jfriend00 unfortunately, does that mean your answer needs to be removed then? (This is a legit question)
I don't know
 
@MadaraUchiha actually, I do - it ended up being annoying and we ended up removing it and returning to eslint
 
Actually, if the question is drastically changed I believe you're supposed to roll it back
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Oh, but this is rlemon's project, which is why I'm asking.
 
5:40 PM
Ah
 
@SterlingArcher - Well, since it had multiple upvotes from people thinking it was useful, I left it there. I did add some text to the start of the answer that this was an answer to the original version of the question, not the latest edits.
 
@SterlingArcher usually, but deleting your answer is also a good option
I've deleted a few because I misunderstood the Q and later edits clarified it
 
Same... a few..
aka several.. xD
 
I like how he adds "-" to answer people
it looks so clean
can I copy your style?
 
@jfriend00 it's tricky to be honest. Meta says to roll the question back if it's altered beyond the original, as that renders answers useless and or wrong
 
5:41 PM
heh this course teaches AWS
 
In general, SO goes a little haywire when there are already multiple answers and then the OP edits their question into a different question. I try to explain to people writing questions not to do that. They can post a new question.
 
But yeah, I'll just disable it.
VSCode's formatter is plenty good enough.
 
@SterlingArcher - Yeah, that's a nice theory for meta to have. I've never seen that used or work..
 
@jfriend00 rollback and comment is the right course there :)
 
@jfriend00 in that case, you should rollback or flag
 
5:42 PM
Actually I've seen it multiple times
 
replacing a question with another, different one after it's been answered is explicitly disallowed
 
If they keep editing, a moderator usually steps in
 
yep, the mods enforce that
 
@ssube - Yeah, this is bit more subtle. It's when the OP wrote a question that doesn't really express what they meant to ask. So, we answer what they actually did ask. Then, they get answers that aren't what they're looking for so the "clarify" the original question to express what they meant to ask. It's a messy slippery slope that was all started with a badly worded question.
 
Which should have been closed in the first place as unclear, no?
 
5:45 PM
if it can be changed that much just by "clarifying," it should have been closed
that's unclear, opinionated, or missing mvce
 
@SterlingArcher - The question seemed clear to me. So, I answered. It turns out what they asked wasn't what they meant to ask.
 
I answered a question like that recently. He even commented that I answered his question but not his actual problem, and that was his mistake
 
@Cereal - That was an unusually enlightened questioner. Don't get very many of those.
 
Unfortunately even if it has a couple votes the "right" thing to do is probably delete your answer if it can't be tailored to the clarification
I said that hesitantly because ultimately it's your choice to keep the answer
 
yeah, votes aren't worth keeping a poor answer out. I have enough of those accepted and undeletable.
 
5:47 PM
Oh man we're one regex away from this being turned into an abortion argument
 
if it doesn't make sense, delete it and try again
 
@SterlingArcher - My answer could have been tailored to the edit. But the edit made it into a dup so I marked it as a dup.
 
you hammered the question but didn't remove your answer?
 
@MadaraUchiha what dat?
 
@rlemon Opinionated auto formatter.
 
5:48 PM
meh, I might add eslint at one point
I keep meaning to use it
 
guarantees every diff is 900 lines or more
 
@ssube - I added a note to the start of my answer that my answer was addressing the first part of the OP's question (which is still there) before they edited some more to the end of their answer.
@ssube - What is "hammered"?
 
you closed the question as a dupe (so you found a target and compared them), but left your answer
I can't imagine a case where that is appropriate. If you know the question should be closed, why leave the answer?
 
@jfriend00 ah that's what you're asking! 'dupe hammer' or 'hammered' is the term used for closing a question as dupe with your gold badge status (meta calls it Mjornir (Thor's hammer))
Oh no
 
man I had no idea you could buy this. I’ve just been using drugs and alcohol
 
5:53 PM
Mjornir, eh?
 
@rlemon it's high time!
 
I just checked my email... turns out I got drunk last night and ordered a $100 onesie
4
 
@ssube MJOAR
 
@SterlingArcher - OK. You make it sound like a heavy-handed thing. I don't have any other choice right if I think it's a dup?
 
@ssube I don't know how he spells his hammers name it's nordic
 
5:53 PM
@SterlingArcher or is it a onesie-shaped mattress?
 
@ssube lol
mjorning
 
you clearly don't know how to google words either D:<
 
@jfriend00 actually I encourage the fuck out of using gold badge duplicate closings
 
@SterlingArcher I do and I don't even read/watch/whatever
 
mjölnir
I think
 
5:54 PM
Oh nice it's a Washington Capitals onesie!
IT HAS A BUTTFLAP!!!
 
it's literally 4 clicks to check
 
No wonder I ordered it
 
 
@ssube that's 4 more clicks than I'm willing to give
 
@SterlingArcher you mean you got mjolnired last night
 
5:54 PM
@SterlingArcher panda? koala?
 
you discovering your drunk self is wonderfully entertaining
 
posted this earlier but no one was here to appreciate it
 
@Neoares worse: goon
 
@Mosho dammit
@KendallFrey what's living when you're in control all the time?
I like to throw curveballs at myself
 
you can never be in control all the time
 
5:55 PM
I like sanity
 
Now I'm excited, I've never found a onesie that fits me with a buttflap before
 
The lady in front of me is buying just a pack of D-cell batteries. I asked if those are for her Valentine's. She said, "I guess you could say that."
 
you just gotta raise the bar as much as you can
 
Has anyone seen usb-c headphones in any stores? According to their website best buy crries zero
 
user1596138
I got asked from 1-100 how much control I ahve over myself in a interview
 
user1596138
5:56 PM
Obviously I said 100.
 
@William always jack
 
 
lol
 
@ssube tbh I can't get it above horizontal
 
5:56 PM
lolwut
 
(it's a bed upside down)
 
so, valentines landed on hump day this year.
 
what
 
that's kinda fun
 
5:56 PM
Just an australian bed
 
nice
 
I want to ask a question about how to deal with a security company that is blocking our emails and refuses to tell us why. Can someone recommend an appropriate SE site?
 
@ssube - It's complicated. The question as originally asked was very clearly about one topic. Several of us provided answers to that. My answer attracted the most upvotes so clearly several others found it useful and thought it was answering the question. Then, the OP added some more to the end of their question asking something different. For that, there were multiple dup references that fully address that other part.
 
@SterlingArcher Now in same-sex versions!
 
@OliverSalzburg interpersonal?
stretch
 
5:58 PM
workplace
 
@ssube - The question is now a bit of both. There are answers here to the first part of the question. There's a dup reference to the second part of the question.
 
@OliverSalzburg workplace
dammit
 
@OliverSalzburg I hope you aren't hosting your own email server that would suck
 
@rlemon The sec company is providing email filter as a 3rd party and our potential client can't receive our transactional emails
 
@jfriend00 are you glad I brought you here? 😃 You thought you was gonna be attacked lol
YOU THOUGHT!
 
5:58 PM
@OliverSalzburg no, I wasn't asking. I was suggesting interpersonal.stackexchange.com but workplace.stackexchange is probably better
 
@SterlingArcher That's what my uncle said that time he took me into the woods
 
@William We are. But our own email infrastructure is not the one in question. They are blocking emails we're sending through mailgun
 
holy shit I'm very excited now
10/10 drunk me! Solid purchase
 
@rlemon Oh. I didn't know the first one. Thanks
 
5:59 PM
@KendallFrey jesus dude
 
@Mosho that's probably flaggable lol
 
why
it's just a bed
 
@SterlingArcher oh yeah he talks about that jesus dude a lot
 
I know
 

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