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12:09 PM
I don't want to sound dickish, but I'm not really interested in joining a community, whose representative puts a statement like this
>if you have 5 year experience in emberjs or jquery
you are still a horrible dev
cc @Front-endDeveloper
 
There's something intrinsically naïeve about an unconditional hate for libraries like jQuery.
It's like a woodworker that thinks using a chainsaw is dumb, just because he doesn't understand the tool's proper usage.
Oh, apparently, he left the room
 
As with everything else, the hate-train is just as real
people jump on it without knowing why
 
Hah, that website...
The form response is plain text:
 
34 mins ago, by Kamil Solecki
for front-end dudes, that thing might want a better facade and faster load times :P
 
> "Successfully signed up!, you will get an invitation within a couple of days. frontenddudes@gmail.com"
This is one of those cases where even a simple wordpress site would've been better.
 
12:25 PM
if(re.test(email)) {
        return true;
      } else {
        return false;
      }
 
var nameCorrect, emailCorrect = false;
 
I didn't even get that far down
@Front-endDeveloper: For someone that's supposed to be an expert in JS, you write terrible JS.
</blunt>
 
Did he say he was an expert ?
 
gave out such a vibe, at least to me
 
12:28 PM
@DenysSéguret Never explicitly. But implied :P
 
he seemed kinda too big for his boots :/
 
That checkEmail function...
if(validateEmail(email) === true) {
 
also, checking an email through a regexp, :ascii-shrug:
 
never go into this chat advertising something without being prepared
 
@SaitamaSama he randomly tells strangers that they have less experience than his friends so... probably
 
12:29 PM
@GNi33 oi we are merciless :D
 
He's got a whopping 10 posts in , but 0 score on them.
 
@GNi33 right. By the way might I interest you in buying some miaou account ?
(shit, I'm no good at advertising either)
 
I challenge someone to go look at the miaou codebase and bitch about that
 
I bet I can find something
 
@GNi33 Florian does ;)
 
12:32 PM
doesn't count, he wrote it as well :D
 
@Cerbrus Of course you can
 
yeah, you'll find something basically everywhere
 
:D
 
I'm still a little sad that we didn't make the move to miaou
 
The separation is just impractical, though
 
12:34 PM
yeah, SO chat has the one big advantage
that it is part of SO
 
are the slack channels that some people moved to still active?
 
what are ppl's thoughts on yarn? (i'm 5 reviews in & still meh)
 
@Mirv Pointless and buggy
 
@OliverSalzburg It's not React, Vue or Angular would be fine, but the practice of doing selections to find stuff you put there is mostly gone I think
 
12:38 PM
I don't want to sound dickish, but I'm not really interested in joining a community, whose representative puts a statement like this

>if you have 5 year experience in emberjs or jquery
you are still a horrible dev
cc @Front-endDeveloper
 
@Mirv Quite convenient for sewing
Oh, he's back
 
So you would not agree with the fact that developers who are not familiar with vanilla js
are still good devs
@Cerbrus oh he is back
 
That's a bit of double negative tom foolery you got going on there
 
@Front-endDeveloper: Before you bash someone for not being familiar with vanilla JS, better make damn sure you yourself are an expert
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Possibly. I just remember a strong "Don't use frameworks" vibe, which was replaced by a strong "Why are you not using a framework?" vibe
 
12:39 PM
it is an opinion
 
@Front-endDeveloper no this is not what you said
also what cerberus said.
 
so you know what I am trying to say
haha
 
@Front-endDeveloper In other words: Fix your own site before bashing someone's preference of using a library.
 
so we are not aloud to have or own opinion
sounds like a dictator
 
You are
But hypocricy isn't appreciated
 
12:40 PM
I feel bad for all those C++ devs that don't know vanilla javascript. They're just terrible developers smh
 
@Front-endDeveloper yes you are, just as much as we are allowed to criticize.
 
i have never told that i was an expert
 
Holy fuck the second curling semifinal was tense
 
i was showing the different perspectives
 
@Front-endDeveloper Perspective? I'd call it a narrow-minded point of view
 
12:41 PM
so please be a man instead of feeling threated
 
22 mins ago, by Cerbrus
There's something intrinsically naïeve about an unconditional hate for libraries like jQuery.
22 mins ago, by Cerbrus
It's like a woodworker that thinks using a chainsaw is dumb, just because he doesn't understand the tool's proper usage.
 
so if you like orange more than purple
respect someones opinion
 
@Front-endDeveloper are you trying to say: Do not counter my opinions with constructive criticism but rather swallow it
 
if you like orange, let him love that color
respect it
instead of counter attack it
because tons of developers agree with me
 
@Front-endDeveloper But that's not how library preferences should work
 
12:43 PM
that literally destroys any possible discussion
 
If you voice your opinion in a public chat, you need to repect that people may not like it, and may respond negatively.
 
Why do you like orange so much, ARE YOU TRUMP?
 
:Nutella
 
Mr President, I have so many questions. Tell me about Russia.
 
At this moment, we're responding to your opinion. You're dismissing us as if we're "attacking" your opinion.
 
@Cerbrus NO!
 
Is there a sugar to call methods on a passed object in a lambda?

In ruby you can shorten something like `some_arr.map { |a| a.to_i }` to `some_arr.map(&:to_i)`

Is there anything like that in js?
 
so that means you are not agree that vanilla js are better developers than framework developers
 
@Front-endDeveloper I don't think anyone in here agrees with that blanket statement.
 
i know lot of devs who work for big companies who agree with my opinion
some devs work for booking, alibaba and that kind of companies
 
12:46 PM
I know lots of people, big people, who agree with me. Its yuuuge
3
 
where are you working? small company?
 
Restricting yourself to 1 specific technology is a sure-fire way to get stuck in that technology. You won't grow as a developer.
 
@hilli_micha the people I know are importanter!
 
if you cannot even handle my opinion, then I am pretty curious who your team mates are
3
 
Dude...
 
12:47 PM
haha
 
lmao
 
handles your opinion
 
Just got back, wtf is this
 
I'm tempted to kick a troll...
 
12:47 PM
@BenFortune 17 in all its glory
I missed that
 
The good times are upon us
 
Oh to be young and naive
 
Golden age has begun
 
Border Radius will take over.
 
I see your troops at my borders
 
12:48 PM
That's a good one.
@Front-endDeveloper: How old are you?
 
@KendallFrey That was dank.
 
old enough to quit this chat haha
 
@hilli_micha See also: every other placeboing video
 
But are you old enough to quit drugs tho?
 
do it
 
12:49 PM
@Front-endDeveloper I bet you're not
 
Front end dudes, hiring code superstars
 
but everything that's not vanilla js is horrible by definition, amirite?
there was one guy that could pull that one off in this chat, and that was a long, long time ago
 
@GNi33 classes are evil, functions are spawn of the devil
 
and, tbf, that was more anti-jquery than pro-vanilla
 
That was an excellent start to my morning
 
12:51 PM
@KendallFrey TIL we are satan worshippers
 
Hail Satan!
 
i mean, he's a pretty cool guy
 
for the glory of Satan!
 
@KendallFrey He has to be..stuck in that frozen lake and all.
 
!!s/tan/nta/
 
12:52 PM
@BenFortune for the glory of Santa! (source)
 
lol, that works too
 
@OliverSalzburg it's a "do what's reasonable vibe", same vibe for a long time
Don't learn with frameworks - but certainly use libraries to make your life easier
 
@Front-endDeveloper Need any help with that?
 
you don't fuck with santa
 
12:54 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Don't do what's reasonable! That's totally a n00b move
 
@Cerbrus he's gone anyways, no need to feed him any further
 
@GNi33 He's not :P
 
@Cerbrus lol stop baiting
 
But it's more fun if they go out with a bang...
Now it's such an anti-climax
 
He actually did leave, lol
 
12:56 PM
He's still in the user list
 
He's still showing in the users list
 
Really so mature
 
 
I bet he's scheming behind his monitor, plotting the downfall of jquery
 
12:56 PM
@Cereal He didn't leave the room, just closed the tab
 
Scheming!
 
@KendallFrey How do you know?
Maybe he's starting at us...
 
magic
 
I know people miss me, because they cannot stop tagging me hahaha
 
is there not a window hook logging you out of the room when you close the tab?
 
12:57 PM
@KendallFrey Oh, right, duh :-)
See :D
 
@Neil Nah, I think they use a ping system
 
like trying to figure out if the light stays on in the refrigerator by opening it really fast
 
he's back now
 
@cerbus pretends he hate me , but in fact he loves me hahah
cuz he constantly tagging me all the time
 
previously it said seen 7m ago
 
12:58 PM
@KendallFrey No shit Sherlock :D
 
@Neil nope, 10-min timeout
@Cerbrus I captured that before He started talking :P
 
@Front-endDeveloper No, I really hate you. With all my jQuery-infested heart
 
His mother put him together in JQuery
 
why you tagging me all the time hahah
afraid that I do not read your message lol
 
for migration tracking purposes
 
1:00 PM
The funny part is he's not actually tagging him, just replying
 
@Front-endDeveloper Because I can.
 
cerbus is guy who needs lot of attention
 
And yes, you reading my messages matters to me in ways you can not imagine
 
The irony
 
guys, stop it
 
1:00 PM
'kay xD
 
my words have great impact on him
that even after 10 minutes he still talk about what was said in the past
 
Yeah I'm done with that, drop it.
 
haha
 
\o/
 
Bang :P
 
1:01 PM
Sorry, I really wanted to make that joke.
 
Oh, about things in the past: thanks for the B-day wishes, guys ^_^
 
who kicked me out hahaha
 
Doesn't matter, carry on and you'll go again
 
the one who is scared I think
 
stop it
 
1:03 PM
Keep calm and carry on
 
drop it dude
 
Leave some for us, ben, damn
 
@Neil Clam.
 
Fastest finger in the west
 
quit trolling
 
1:04 PM
Stop this discussion please. It wasn't so interesting. Let's switch to other topics.
 
Soo.. how about that weather eh?
 
The weather's actually fucked
 
exactly. everyone had their fun, but it got lame pretty quickly
 
@DenysSéguret I was busy thanking y'all :D
 
1:04 PM
it's cold, I want some hot chocolate
 
It was freezing rain all last night, now it's +4
 
@Neil too much snow for my liking
 
Fair amount of snow here
 
So there's ice falling off everything
 
A little bit of snow here
 
1:05 PM
Driving on the highway and ice is just flying off cars
 
Here it has managed to get back up to ~30C so after having a month of 0C~ temps, I'm dying and getting extremely sick from the damn tempurature changes
 
that's why you clear your car before driving
 
@Cereal I hate it when that happens. People don't clean their damn cars
And then there's those that only clean a spot in front of their face...
 
It's terrible. I clean the entire car, but the amount of people who just only clean the windows, or even only the front window
 
1:06 PM
@Cereal I always clean the lights, mirrors and license plates
And make sure nothing can slide down my windscreen
 
@BenFortune So how do you look out of your snowed-in windows?
 
Light, hood, roof, windows, license plate
 
Hood usually melts by the time I'm done scraping
 
Omg i had to drive I missed half the fun again
Why do I always miss the best events
 
1:10 PM
My brother who lived in Denver for a bit said that the snow just evaporated.. there was no intermediary step where it turned to ice
 
because I noticed it in the freestyle skiing event at the olympics... how do Canadians usually pronounce "Montreal"?
is the english or the french pronounciation more common?
 
I pronounce it "Mont" "Real". Also I am not Canadian
 
Mon-tree-all
 
Montreal with a slight hint of 'Monch' is how I pronounce it
 
Commentator used the french pronounciation during the event and I was unsure if he was actually talking about the city or something different
actually, I'm still not sure
 
1:13 PM
@KamilSolecki I just call it shithole and move on
 
@rlemon nice
 
why are you talking about africa all of a sudden?
 
@GNi33 it rained yesterday and I felt blessed
 
Dinosaurs aren't real. Satan put down fossils to deceive humans into thinking the Earth is older than it actually is
 
and if you believe in "dinosaurs" you will rot in hell
 
1:16 PM
It's a test
Lorde is testing us
 
Can't believe we let this priest of Satan into our children's homes!
 
Once you go purple...
 
it's just a big lizard
 
@GNi33 lizards aren't even real
It's actually disguised politicians
 
Obama would beg to differ
 
1:19 PM
@rlemon You seen the whole, earth isn't flat, she thicc?
 
You talking about the weeb picture that amounts to "I'm not flat! Baka!~"?
 
Earth-Chan?
 
I’m flat
 
I want to have a react component that handles the showing/hiding of alerts. I feel like that component should hold the state of the alerts, but since the actions that would cause an alert happen on the parent, the parent currently holds the alert state, and just passes it as a prop.

Is there a way to move the 'addAlert'/'removeAlert' methods from the parent into the alerts component, and still call them from the parent?
 
pass the handler from the parent to the child?
 
1:22 PM
Isn't that letting the child call the methods on the parent, not the other way around?
I'll make a fiddle
 
1:37 PM
child shouldn't misbehave quite so much
 
@ndugger s/l//
 
Quick question, web development in general,, I was told I should make a include file for constants, is there a way to do that in JS? or is that a PHP thing?
 
you can do it in any language
 
If I could figure out how to get jsfiddle to work, I'd make a fiddle ._.
 
@Programming_n00b what do you mean by constants?
like, environment vars/constants or actual const vars
 
1:48 PM
@Programming_n00b If you're talking about system-wide configuration, the recommended way is to use environment variables. Each stack has its own way of handling them.
Node has process.env, PHP has $_ENV
 
during digest auth, there is two requests to the server, right?
 
Java has System.getProperty
 
 
Oh I got it working
 
I'll let myself out ._.
 
1:50 PM
as in request -> server response /w nonces etc -> request /w nonces -> 200 (assuming all went well)
 
Okay so Main here handles the state of all the alerts. Works fine, but I wanted to move it to its own component that I can plug in anywhere
But I have no way to add or remove alerts if I do that, since the parents can't talk to the child so to speak
 
@Cereal You want a <AddAlert> button you can put anywhere?
 
@Programming_n00b Good rule of thumb is to make a configuration file for all parameters with the possibility to override them if needed
 
I want an Alerts component that handles adding/removing alerts, as well as contains the state of the alerts
That I can plug in anywhere
 
@Cereal But the alerts themselves need to be top-level, yes?
Added as a sibling to the main component
 
1:53 PM
I suppose they could. Can you talk sideways?
You mean on the ReactDOM.render call?
 
@Cereal You can if you're thinking with Portals.
Although I'm not sure where your problem is if you don't necessarily want that.
Where's the problem with calling <Main> <Alerts> and plugging it somewhere?
 
ok poster choice, which one should I buy, Kimi no Na Wa's or Koe no Katachi's?
 
@neil I don't really know how that works out... I'm just asking because I was told to make a PHP file for constants for
 
Lets say an Alerts component exists. It's state is the same as Main's state in the fiddle. So it has an array of alert data. The Alerts component handles the close button clicking on the alerts, it also handles adding a new alert to the state, and removing alerts from the state.

Now Alerts is a child of Main.

I do a fetch in Main, and get some data. I want to display an alert to the user when that fetch resolves.

As far as I can tell, there's no way to tell Alerts that something needs to be added, I'd have to keep track of the alert state in Main
I'm sure this has to do with my limited experience with react
 
@Neil define("mysite", "www.example.com/"
 
1:58 PM
@Programming_n00b Without knowing much about php, sounds like a sort of configuration file to me.
 
mhhh... I usually have like 3-7 ssh sessions open to my servers for watching logs, doings stuff etc. Unfortunately, on idle-times sessions get randomly closed (it seems like). Now I wanted to turn on the "send 0 character every x seconds" feature on iTerm2 (ssh client) to avoid this
 
@Programming_n00b you should probably use const MYSITE = "www.example.com/" rather than using define
 
but when you turn that on, it warns you with: you probably don't want to turn this on. It's not suitable for keeping ssh sessions alive, even with a code of “0”. Are you sure you want this?
so what is a suitable way to keep ssh sessions alive? :P
 
const allows you to put the constants in a specific namespace, where as define() won't let you do that
 
@Neil other than making a shortcut for mysite, would there be any other uses? I don't know if I want to add a separate file just for that...
 

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