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4:00 PM
That way the customer can't be like "well this button was green in the wireframe" and I won't be like "well this foot was in your ass in the wireframe too but it do"
 
^ random example of something we will get
 
@Neal At my sister's old job she had to learn photoshop to update the company's address on their website.
 
@Loktar yeah, it sometimes goes like that
 
@Neal the problem is we can do it all.
 
@KendallFrey lol oy...
 
4:00 PM
The issue is some of it is just stupid to do 😋
 
it boils down to what the people in charge want though
 
any way I can get the browser to pause execution whenever there is a window.location call change?
 
what's with the white gutter between left and right
 
@Mosho yeah the problem is everyone bends over for our design team
 
@Mosho if something is not possible it is just not possible
 
4:01 PM
so they rule the roost, idk just frustrating on our end
@Neal tbh there is rarely anything not possible nowadays
 
usually fonts that look differently in PS and browsers is kinda impossible
 
it's just do you want to do it with some janky ass code, or weird workaround
 
but other than that...
 
yeah my frustration really is just the constant "review" of our code
and the complaining if seriously 1 thing is 1 pixel off
 
of the code itself?
 
4:02 PM
@Mosho no, meant the results of the code
hah if they reviewed the code I'd leave.
 
@Loktar "BUT DOES IT WORK?" "idk that pixel ruins the entire flow"
 
i hate when i'm given a design that includes text that is conveniently broken at specific parts in photoshop to make the design look correct, when that just doesn't work on web
 
@KevinB yeah the solution here is always add an elipses with a stupid title attribute..
 
I mean, I'd complain if two things were misaligned by one pixel
 
@KevinB <br>
 
4:03 PM
@KevinB designers have a very intimate misconception of how text wrapping really works
 
But I'm anal about such things so...
 
lol anal
 
i mean, yeah, a <br> is fine, but, when that text is used more than just there?
 
lol bums
 
or is coming from a translation table?
 
4:03 PM
@KevinB not impossible
 
so it sounds like many places have no "process"? lol
 
of course not impossible
but really inconvenient
 
@KevinB yeah that's the overall frustration and my point on some things
 
@SterlingArcher Do you know who invented the concept of "anal" (as in obsessive)?
 
nothing is impossible, just annoying
 
4:04 PM
you can always go to the team/project leader and tell them it will take an unreasonable amount of time and resources
there's no real reason to have something off by 1 pixel
 
@KendallFrey no, please analighten me
 
fortunately i'm both the team project leader and dev in most cases :p
 
it is just as easy to have it aligned
 
@SterlingArcher Freud, naturally
The term anal retentive (also anally retentive), commonly abbreviated to anal, is used to describe a person who pays such attention to detail that it becomes an obsession and may be an annoyance to others, potentially to the detriment of the anal-retentive person. The term derives from Freudian psychoanalysis. == Origins == In Freudian psychology, the anal stage is said to follow the oral stage of infant or early-childhood development. This is a time when an infant's attention moves from oral stimulation to anal stimulation (usually the bowels but occasionally the bladder), usually synchronous...
 
4:05 PM
@Mosho that's quite easy to say
 
so i take the design and do what i want with it
 
You're just going to ignore the best pun the room has seen all day aren't you
 
@Loktar it is also my job
 
that wasn't the case 4 years ago
 
so I'm not just saying
 
4:05 PM
@Mosho yeah I call bullshit though still
 
tl;dr: people who like control are the same people who hold in their poo
 
@rlemon please acknowledge my pun :(
 
@SterlingArcher rlemon is afk: zoom zoom
 
breaking it down to saying everything perfect is easy is silly.
 
@SterlingArcher lol sorry, I thought it was a typo
 
4:06 PM
sunofabitch
 
@Loktar it's not, but aligning things isn't hard
 
@KendallFrey puns aside, that doesn't shock me it was Freud tbh
Smart, weird man
 
@Mosho right, but are you given lineheights for each item they want?
 
@KendallFrey there's a phallic and a genital phase as well, interesting
 
on top of having it responsive lol.
 
4:06 PM
responsiveness makes everything harder, for sure
 
are your fonts measured in pixels?
because ours are lol.
Which is stupid.
 
I usually get an annotated PSD
fonts are an exception, like I said
 
I don't think i ever passed the phallic phase
 
Yeah I mean I'm a perfect dev too obviously, was just asking if anyone had a process for similar things.
 
I still laugh when things look like dicks
!!afk vape
 
4:08 PM
I've been doing this for > 20 years now and actually love CSS and don't try to pretend it's hard.
However was curious what dev + design interaction was like elsewhere
 
@SterlingArcher I don't think that's what it means, but that's great nontheless
 
@Loktar at tipranks it was pretty anal
where I'm at now is at an earlier stage so nothing has a high end finish
 
@Mosho did you guys have a review by the design team after you guys were "done"?
 
yes
 
here... it's just two of us, so it's pretty frictionless.
 
4:09 PM
at Tipranks I mean
how did you guys handle changes? Prioritized by the PO?
That's the process I'm trying to get here
What they want is to actually have a designer sit at the desk with a developer
and point out all issues in realtime and have them fixed (in realtime if possible)
 
that's what we did
 
@Loktar that does work pretty well sometimes
 
that's kinda what we do
 
@Loktar our designer was cute though, it helps
maybe you should try that
 
@GNi33 it can, it can also lead to scope creep by designers
> Oh I didn't expect this to look like that, can we change it to X instead
 
4:10 PM
the person's not looking over my shoulder the whole time, but they're checking the work periodically
 
yuck, that sucks man
I've done that process and it was just annoying overall
 
@Loktar there need to be boundaries defined obviously
 
having your work checked is 100% annoying 100% of the time
 
There weren't many changes needed it was mostly trying to get other stuff in that wasn't preprioritized
then a ton of pushback and blah blah. I feel a dev/designer shouldn't be making the call, it should be the PO
 
@Mosho if developers love to hate anything, it's PRs/MRs
 
4:12 PM
Designer says "X is wrong" PO says, "Lets fix this!" or "This is not important"
 
@Loktar don't see anything wrong with that
 
yeah that's the process I want, we're meeting about it next week hence the questions here
whats silly is the PO should want that, but he really has no backbone
 
yeah so the leader should take feedback from all sides and make a decision
 
exactly
 
that decision might still annoy you
 
4:13 PM
Yeah, but that's fine
My issue right now is design dictates everything
 
I have chicken nuggets and not hot sauce. Such a disappoint
 
> Change this scrollbar to X color
when I have 10 other features based on functionality
The PO should make the call, hey lets prioritize this scrollbar color later.
or, We need it now
 
yeah, that's a process the whole team has to engage in
 
but yeah cool glad to see I'm not crazy
@GNi33 yeah that's the crux of it, and what I'm pushing for. We had a blowup last meeting
the designer arbitrarily wanted us to remove all animations
 
I've been there, that takes time
 
4:15 PM
asked no one, no discussion on it, so I was like wtf why would I do that?
 
eh, i kinda feel like the dev should be making that call. but i've never worked on a team so... probably not experienced enough to understand how that works.
 
@KevinB I do as well tbh, unless it's some bat shit rotating cartwheel animation
 
probably a good idea to pick one developer and one designer and let them define the boundaries and a way to communicate to their teams, so everyone has a clearer picture what the other team wants
in a general sense
helps a lot already
whoops, gotta run, see you guys
 
^ janky since it's a remote connection, but that's the animation in question
> What business application has modal animations?
is what the designer said... and I was like what web application has 100 modals...
 
dat bootstrap
 
4:17 PM
it's not bootstrap at all
 
;D
 
But maybe it looks that way because the designers based their design off of BS idk.
 
modal animation is how it works in BS
 
but yeah I do all the CSS without a framework/library
 
I prefer it too
 
4:18 PM
yeah I added the animation 2 years ago because they used to just pop in immediately
 
why do you care about the animation? if the designer doesn't want it and the leader agrees
 
was really jarring and stupid
@Mosho the leader needs to agree is my point in the end
he arbitrarily wants to remove an enhancement and gave no real reason (the designer)
the dude is super moody and will just try to make over arching calls like that
heh like "Hide all scroll bars until a user hovers because that's how it is on the mac"
 
I understand the frustration but I have 0 feelings about that kind of stuff
unless it's objectively stupid
 
@Mosho I do because I want to be proud of what I make, I took orders in the military and had my share of stupid decisions I had to follow, now meh.
 
to be fair, the scrollbar thing sounds objectively stupid
 
4:20 PM
This is just one example though, however I understand it's easy to jump on the person complaining in chat, I do it all the time 😋
it's more of "You'd have to be there"
 
@SterlingArcher well, scrollbars in browsers are iffy and inconsistent
 
alright haircut time! bbl
 
I'm kinda just given full control of all the stuff i work on. it's great
 
and there are libraries you can drop in that give you nice consistent (often mac-like) scrollbars
 
@Mosho libraries for scrollbars are retarded
it's a native feature you shouldn't screw with
 
4:22 PM
@Loktar got mine cut yesterday, go get a dope fade
 
So question, does anyone here know how to make a dropdown list inside an of an overflow:hidden container still manage to pop up over the container instead of inside it?
 
@Trasiva I assume you've messed with the z-indexing and the positioning?
 
@Loktar that's what I think too
because it's really frustrating to get right
 
over the container, asin it will grow outside of it if it needs to?
 
I think you need a position:absolute on the content you want suspended over the overflow'd dive
 
4:22 PM
@KevinB Correct
The problem is I'm stuck using this retarded dropdown library for a color picker bullshit.
 
dunno.. haven't had to do that in a while
 
@SterlingArcher I'll tweak that when I go back to that ticket. It's been annoying me.
 
but yeah position absolute would be the first thing i try
 
I had to do the same thing for PRPG with a tooltip, positioning was the solution on my end
 
position absolute will work
 
4:27 PM
@KendallFrey get ready boi
 
uh oh
 
er what
 
this guy fucks
 
BTP recorded a video of your mom's face: youtube.com/watch?v=VfCqolwZqWs&t=5m03s
 
4:32 PM
!!wat
 
Best Kendall shop I can post here
 
@rlemon borat
 
@rlemon I'm preparing something special for you
 
dang this song is so technical & heavy
 
4:46 PM
 
Lol wtf
 
I just noticed that this tab was redirected to a sketchy site
 
@Shmiddty I posted a pic from google images. The domain hosting the image was apparently reported for phishing
And it killed the chat
 
@Shmiddty Neal knows more about it
 
------>
 
4:52 PM
tsk tsk tsk
chrome blocked it
 
Weird that mine didnt
 
@SterlingArcher FLYYYYYYYY
 
@KamilSolecki you don't think the hacks be installed, but it do
 
In Soviet Poland, malware infects youuuuuuuuuu.
 
Wasn't that long ago when we were soviet ;D
 
4:56 PM
@SterlingArcher you listen to From Mars To Sirius, or just Gojira's newer stuff?
 
nothin
 
@NathanJones still exploring it all
 
4:57 PM
From Mars and The Way of All Flesh are my favs by them
 
@KendallFrey I know what will boost your mood
 
stop posting hamburgers
they're getting hard to resist
 
Mmmmmm
 
I already ate, sucker
 
@ssube ily2
@KendallFrey damn.
 
5:04 PM
@KamilSolecki I suppose you're a monster and get your burgers well done
 
@KamilSolecki it's missing a pickle
 
@Neil are you trying to pickle a fight?
I'll see myself out.
 
That joke wasn't kosher.
 
@Neil sexist
 
@KamilSolecki Which code format thingy?
 
5:12 PM
Wow, nice timing. (Jk) I was talking about removal of unformatted code. Robert already told me that with caps' current throttling, it's going to be too heavy for her :)
 
hrm? what did he mean by that?
Got a link handy by any chance?
@rlemon pingy ping
@KamilSolecki If you can write down cases of unformatted code we could maybe do something
Real-life cases you want moved
 
I could, sure.
Caps open source, right?
 
to move messages the bot'll have to be a room owner in the room
 
@KamilSolecki @KendallFrey bingo bango
3
 
oh no
 
5:18 PM
Pretty.
!!> 1+1
 
@KamilSolecki 2
 
@rlemon Slappy the dummy!
 
Halp! I need a new 4k wallpaper. Preferably of jupiter
 
Hi, I'm trying to sort 2 objects either by their "status" property or their "created" property if status is the same. my code looks like this:
 
5:20 PM
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@ManuelHuber Please don't post unformatted code - hit Ctrl+K before sending, use up-arrow to edit messages, and see the faq. For posting large code blocks, use a paste site like gist.github.com, hastebin.com, pastie.org or a demo site like jsbin.com
 
Uuuuh how do I add her on mobile
 
that'll do, donkey, that'll do
 
@Zirak that's done.
@rlemon also because of you bingo bango bongo I don't wanna leave the Congo keeps playing in my head. Many thanks.
 
@Zirak uhh, I can't remember
 
Hi, how can I prettify this function to not have a million if/else statements? gist.github.com/manuelhuber/76638eaab753c4a8e488a64d4dd5e58a
 
5:22 PM
@Luggage Even better: Jool
 
^ my wallpaper
 
KSP?
 
Nobody has a better wallpaper than me
 
5:26 PM
desktop ^
 
@rlemon pro-cessor
 
@Zirak @rlemon which file holds the definitions of the unformatted code, can't seem to find it
 
Nvm it's inside the unformatted code
Yeah I was looking for a separate definitions file :D
 
imgur.com/a/BA6gN my laptop rotates between these
2
 
5:29 PM
not bad.
 
5:40 PM
desktop or screensaver?
 
wallpaper
 
desksaver
 
walltop
 
Toppaper?
^ sounds foreign.
 
Toppaperski
^ now its polish
 
5:44 PM
Toppapersky <---- now it's Russian
 
you know Boris Toppapersky?
 
founder of toppapersky.io, now a JS framework?
 
Yeah, but friends call him Ivan.
 
@ssube it's a non opinionated functional framework.
gonna replace vue
 
5:47 PM
@rlemon ooh, I've never seen both before
 
I feel like slavs would love squatty pottys
@ssube :D
 
Lol
That's japans national invention, squatty potties.
 
omfg
 
5:48 PM
optimus lada
 
slavtimus blyet
 
lol
summary of what's wrong with the world:
 
why would anyone stay around like that?
 
@towc can't afford chairs
 
humans are built to squat
true story
!!giphy it's all in the hips
 
@rlemon Not me
 
I mean, it reminds me of what I did when I was 3 to keep my poop in
 
@KendallFrey yea, well, you're 60% potato
 
@CapricaSix holy SHIT
 
LOL
Hahah what the fuck
 
5:54 PM
Have you guys never seen that?
 
Never.
 
Not that I know of
 
what should I eat
 
small animals.
 
A thrash panda, for one, is a small animal.
 
5:56 PM
raccoons are cute tho.
so long as they stay out of my bins
they got little hands
 
We don't get any :/
 
LITTLE HANDS!!!!
 
I have to fight the urge to leave my trash cans open - I would love to see them scurry around in my trash, but I know it is inherently bad. They're absolutely adorable though.
 
put out cat food
 
50% of all "restaurants" around here are pizzerias
 
5:57 PM
you'll either get raccoons or rats.
 
We saw one of our neighbors trash cans with a raccoon hiding in it, we spent an hour or so gawking at it.
 
inlaws have an outdoor cat (sleeps in an outdoor catbox and everything)
 
Apparently, if humans went extinct, raccoons have a good chance of evolving to become the next superintelligent species
 
Yeah, unfortunately, I just won my war against a minor rat infestation, so I'd rather not have to wage war against them again.
 
raccoons are constantly stealing the catfood
@KendallFrey and talking trees?
 
5:58 PM
huh
 
should I have a.... burrito?
 
!!should @Mosho have a burrito?
 
Best thing about raccoons is how they wash their food
 
@BenFortune Definitely
 
5:59 PM
Fun fact, pocahontas's sidekick in the Disney movie was also a raccoon.
And the movie had a talking tree as well..maybe its a sign.
 

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