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9:00 PM
!!afk 🚗 🍺 🏠
 
@Jhoverit I'm pretty happy with the status quo, I wouldn't come here if it could only be about JS
 
you were apparently a good person:
>Yes, it worked! Thank you very much. Stack overflow said I have to wait 7 minutes to accept the answer, but I will when the time comes. Thanks!
 
lol I don't actually have a problem with ndugger I think he's funny. The 30 minute kick gave me some time to chat in C#
But as an RO I can see where he becomes a liability
 
I don't either lol I just like to nudg(g)e him
 
@ndugger shameoverflow
 
@MadaraUchiha 404
 
(Didn't see it posted here)
@KamilSolecki Private repo
 
I just did and deleted it.
 
Ah, my bad
Why delete it though? Only authorized users can see it anyways
 
9:02 PM
meh.
 
was is the transcript of the infamous room?
 
don't judge ndugger on how he acted today towards me though. Judge him based on anything else but that because I was horsing around and provoking him
 
@MadaraUchiha I saw it. Luggage is just mad for no reason. I'm not gonna argue beyond what I've stated in reply to the issue
 
@Vap0r You weren't provoking, certainly not anything worth a kick.
 
user1596138
haha I was wondering if that was about me. Why would someone be mad at @ndugger
 
9:04 PM
@ssube I'll agree with that statement since you clarified "not anything worth a kick". But I was prodding :)
 
Kicks aren't a toy. They ping the mods.
 
@ssube the kick was meant as a joke, and guess what--he interpreted it as a joke and wasn't upset, so nothing bad happened.
 
@MadaraUchiha if you're looking for ROs I'm right here bub
 
user1596138
WhyCantWeBeFriends.js
 
You all just need to chill out
 
9:05 PM
import plz from 'WhyCantWeBeFriends';
 
nobody judges nugget. Its him who judges us meme music in the theme of X-files playing
 
Alright
The entire point of the github issue is that we talk about it there
I didn't link it here so that the drama can overflow here
Please contain it on GitHub, thanks
 
@MadaraUchiha You literally pasted the link here, hypocrite
 
That's why I deleted it. :)
 
My bad I can't see the github thread and wanted to specify some stuff
 
user1596138
9:06 PM
@Luggage Even I can see deleted messages...
 
@ndugger Yes, for full disclosure in case you haven't seen it.
 
@ndugger That has nothing to do with talking about it here
 
My opinion probably isn't all that important though :/
 
@Jhoverit Uh, how? You're not RO
 
user1596138
Never close the tab never lose a frame
 
9:06 PM
@KendallFrey Oh right, literally making a chat message about it has nothing to do with talking about it. SUre.
Please
 
@MadaraUchiha also, do you maybe know what happened with 007? Was there some dramatic drama again?
If so, I must have missed it.
 
As opposed to which other form of drama?
 
I think he has like 8 days left of his suspension
I'm not sure
 
007 is a bastion of intelligence and grace and I'll hear nothing that contradicts that
 
oh lol for what :D
 
9:08 PM
I dunno, for making steve mad
 
nothing
 
aright, we don't need to drag other users (especially banned ones) through the mud. I'm invoking the "drop it" rule.
 
I can see that happening
 
user1596138
@Vap0r Wait that's a person?
 
C# ROs get real mad real easy for some reason
 
9:08 PM
the last time steve went mad was the last time I saw @rlemon in C#
 
user1596138
I thought you meant James Bond for real when you said that the other day
 
ITT high horses, and not the good kind of high
!!afk home
 
@Vap0r excuse me, I am a really calm person.
 
@Jhoverit lol nah 007 the user
 
@KamilSolecki I can see they got suspended for 2 weeks
Doesn't say why though
 
9:09 PM
@Vap0r probably because people have been moving spam into their room for weeks
 
@KamilSolecki holy crap you're so chill I didn't realize you were an RO
 
I would also be frustrated
 
@Vap0r magic, innit
 
@ssube if I see it I'll report it
Doing my part!
 
Okay, this might be random and out of the blue, but is this chat room normally like this?
 
9:09 PM
yes
 
@ZacharyT chaotic? yes
 
@ZacharyT Lately... yes.
 
@ZacharyT no normally it's filled with white papers on JS and helpful examples and other such JS unicorns
 
What do you mean lately? It's been like this since 2014
 
@ZacharyT although it also is about programming, so if you have a question, go ahead and ask it
 
9:10 PM
@ZacharyT like this one:
 
I came from TNB in search of a counterpart. (Don't go down that rabbit hole)
 
@ndugger We used to be far more on-topic in 2014
 
What's TNB?
 
@MadaraUchiha but then I joined
 
@Vap0r is that Unicorns of Love team logo
 
9:10 PM
Most of the really good JS devs left, now most of the discussion is off-topic.
8
 
@KamilSolecki it's the JS official room logo ffs read our rules!
 
The Nineteenth Byte over @ PPCG. DON'T GO THERE.
 
What? I'm still here.. oh..
 
> really good JS devs
 
@MadaraUchiha explains why you're here
 
9:11 PM
MODS!
he's cyber bullying me
 
@ssube Yup, that's why I said "most" ;)
 
oh. wait
 
hoho touche
 
uh huh :)
 
Has anyone tried TS 2.4 yet?
2.4.1, already, apparently
 
9:12 PM
I am still cleaning up after 2.3 shit all over the floor.
 
I tried to try it, but yarn wouldn't upgrade and I got bored. It doesn't have many changes, either.
 
Why don't people talk in trash can when they want to talk off-topic?
 
import and string enums are cool, but I'm not using them much
@Vap0r you don't want to load the trash can
 
@Luggage Aye, we're a bit burned by 2.3 as well
 
really good JS devs don't need to fall back onto typescript
 
9:14 PM
We're gonna wait a few days until the build-breaking bugs are ironed out.
 
pwned
also, time to go home for real
 
user1596138
@Vap0r No you're supposed to go straight to the UN
 
@Jhoverit UN? Like, United Nations?
 
JS without TypeScript:
 
@MadaraUchiha it's like gitlab, you wait a week from the last patch, because they're gonna have one (or 7)
 
user1596138
9:15 PM
Jul 1 '14 at 13:28, by ChrisF
Can whoever is running the bot that's randomly staring and un-staring items in here shut it down permanently. This is your only and last warning.
 
> I don't see any errors.
 
user1596138
Bahaha wasn't that me
 
@Luggage that's kind of like the opposite example
 
@Vap0r JS' biggest flaw (if you listen to TS) and TS' biggest selling point is, essentially, linting across modules.
 
So ... is there a story as to how this room got this way?
 
9:16 PM
You're blind to anything outside of the current module, even with the best eshint-style tools.
 
@ZacharyT JavaScript tends to do that
 
@ZacharyT Strong devs left, conversation turned more off-topic, no interesting technical discussion, more strong devs left, rinse and repeat
 
@Luggage So, JS is a horse? I love horses :D
 
Yes.
 
@ssube oh I think I get what you're saying. Aren't there compile-time hint/linters that take care of this
 
user1596138
9:17 PM
@MadaraUchiha We have some very strong devs.
 
user1596138
They just like to be off topic
 
@Vap0r yeah: typescript
and flow
 
@Jhoverit Yea, @SterlingArcher works out.
 
I always forget about flow
 
@Jhoverit Oh, sure, I should have probably said "serious devs"
 
user1596138
9:18 PM
I repeat my statement with "serious" :P
 
I just want a nullable access operator for JS
foo?.bar
 
user1596138
That'd be nice
 
Then my life would be happy.
 
@MadaraUchiha no, you don't
 
getters and setters can't do that?
 
9:19 PM
your life would get worse, as you'd be propagating null without knowing it
 
@Vap0r No, how would they?
@ssube No, I wouldn't, I'm using TypeScript
 
getting rid of null entirely is a much better option :D
 
And I would be able to get rid of this crap ImmutableJS
 
heh, I hate immutable
 
user1596138
@ssube isn't it just sugar
 
user1596138
9:19 PM
Like it'd be the exact same thing you do today
 
the typings are bad, the API makes no sense, everything about it is weird
 
I like immutable js. I don't use it.. but I like it as a tool available.
 
@Jhoverit mostly yes. It depends on your compiler settings.
 
user1596138
var nested = object && object.child;
// vs
var nested = object?.child;
 
@ssube What makes me most angry is that Record is untyped.
 
9:20 PM
I don't allow implicit nulls.
 
user1596138
Or did I not understand what he meant?
 
@MadaraUchiha I just assume they haven't updated it for Partial and friends. They haven't added iterators, either.
 
You could make your own typed version and use that (the definition, no new code)
 
I can understand deeply nested Maps, but I can't forgive Record being untyped.
 
var nested = (object && object.child) || "default";  /// wrap for explicit
 
9:21 PM
@Jhoverit that first one's return type is typeof object.child | undefined, the latter is typeof object.child | null
well, with return it is. Assignment is a bit different.
 
user1596138
Oh yea obviously it's quite different for TS
 
Record's type is basically Record(structure: any): (init: any) => Map<string, any>
Screw you Immutable
Seriously
 
null propagation isn't terribly specific to TS
 
@MadaraUchiha what serious devs really left?
 
user1596138
Outside of TS my example stands
 
9:22 PM
blame bad typings. there are a lot of those in @types/*
 
@Loktar he's probably thinking about my old accounts
 
I'm just advocating for less nulls across the board, since they are themselves arguably a bug
 
@ZacharyT also "what way" are we? lol
 
user1596138
nulls are a bug?
 
> nulls are a bug
lol
 
9:22 PM
Chaotic. TNB-esque.
 
@Jhoverit There is a slight difference
 
the billion dollar mistake
 
user1596138
Kew
 
user1596138
@MadaraUchiha Oh?
 
9:23 PM
!!fo4 or ksp
 
@ZacharyT what is this TNB?
 
@KevinB fo4
 
const foo = '';
foo?.concat('hello'); // 'hello'

// vs

foo && foo.concat('hello'); // ''
 
@KendallFrey two days in a row, go cap!
 
9:23 PM
Falsey values will trip you off
 

 The Nineteenth Byte

The Nineteenth Byte: General discussion for codegolf.stackexc...
 
@ZacharyT many of us have been here probably 5+ years by this point it's always been this way
 
cap likes fo4
 
@MadaraUchiha oh, you want to throw optionals/null boxing in there?
that's way too much in one inline operator
 
@ssube No, just mentioning that it should explicitly check for undefined/null, not any falsey value
 
9:24 PM
unFalseyfier(trutheyFalsey) { return !!trutheyFalsey }
 
oh, nvm then
 
you guys are welcome. open license on that code
 
@Vap0r Boolean(value)
 
> chat user since 2011-01-06
damn 6 years now, time flies.
 
@MadaraUchiha ummmmm nah dude pretty sure you're supposed to use double exclamation to add a bit of spice to your code
 
9:25 PM
2011-08-25
 
@Vap0r Wasn't that ~~?
 
nah, it's double bang
 
##
 
because it runs !!Boolean(value)
 
9:25 PM
@KendallFrey lol
 
@MadaraUchiha lol
 
🔫🔫
 
~~ does other, weirder shit
 
How do I get my join date?
from SO?
 
I like ~~
 
9:26 PM
!!gorilla
i hate myself
 
but as time went on started just typing out Math.floor to be readable.
I also prefer Boolean(value) as well
 
!!> String.fromCharCode('a'.charCodeAt(0) ^ 32)
 
Same
 
Math also works on big numbers
 
@MadaraUchiha "A"
 
9:27 PM
TIL ^
Works for all letters both upper and lower
 
Isn't that xor?
 
@Loktar we should celebrate cake days. I can probably work some flair into my extension to show you them
 
!!> 'Hello'.split('').map(c => String.fromCharCode(c.charCodeAt(0) ^ 32)).join('')
 
@MadaraUchiha "hELLO"
 
@Vap0r Yeah
 
9:28 PM
!!> console.log(4.2e09, ~~4.2e09)
 
@ssube "undefined" Logged: 4200000000,-94967296
 
@rlemon oooh that would be cool
 
If you XOR any English letter ASCII code with 32, it reverses the case
 
You know who I miss... @mylesgrey lol
Probably wouldn't even remember me now, but he's still active on the site
back then some people were still using tables for layouts and we'd get on them.. good times
 
because tables are superior
 
9:30 PM
I wish today's problems were so simple.
 
you kids and your flex boxes
 
i have a widget that to this day still works and is layed out in a table
haven't touched it since it was launched
 
@ssube todays problems are even easier, just download an npm package
 
@Loktar "npm is down" :P
 
css grids ftw now, no stinking tables
 
9:31 PM
Ok I give up. My parachutes don't wanna open.
for some magical reason
 
unless it's tabular data ofc
 
it's a timeline widget that's essentially a giant horizontally scrollable table
 
after installing babel and webpack
 
@ssube haha
 
@Loktar lol tables were so bad that now that they are good I still hear people say "don't use tables ever"! But we're dealing with tabulated data
 
9:31 PM
@KamilSolecki did you set the min height or w/e to something stupid?
 
needed to be a table to support IE6
 
I still use tables for page layout, pilt
 
@Vap0r yeah people love repeating the same mantras over and over
eww, I won't do that though
 
got em
Chat user since: 2011-05-21
 
when I got out of the AF in 2007 I remember the good job listings had "Must be able to make tabless layouts"
 
9:32 PM
quick question, if i wanted to publish to npm but show its under an organization and not an individual, is that what i'd want? docs.npmjs.com/misc/scope
 
I think npm organizations use @scopes, yeah
 
And if I already published it under my account, can I just add the scope and publish again and will it update? or will it create a new package?
 
that's a new package
 
Ok, so I'd have to delete the old one
Thanks!
 
9:34 PM
they might have a move/rename option?
 
i don't think you can unpublish any more
not since leftPad
 
I found this
43
Q: Renaming a published NPM module

thekevinscottIs there any way to rename an NPM module that has already been published? I want to change the name of my module to more accurately match the API it exposes but would not like to leave people who have already installed it in the lurch.

So I have to mark it as deprecated
 
But you can provide a deprecation message informing the user of the new package name.
 
Oh well
 
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Q: Could Stack Overflow have a giant sandbox where questions would be code not working, and answers would be this code fixed ?

NoonanRosenblumOf course it won't work for all questions. But let's focus on those for which it would. My analysis is that asking a proper question include quoting the testable piece of code that doesn't work. And most of the time, simplifying the problem to the piece of code testable is the good process to fi...

 
9:37 PM
@KevinB lol the comments banter is pretty funny IMO
 
@rlemon 3500 for the side ones and 2000 for main one
I spacebar them @ about 4K though
 
they won't open until they reach a certain alt.
 
@KevinB poor guy. Reading into it, as a site where you have to answer somebody else's Q to post, it's a cool idea.
 
at least not the main ones. they open at like 1500 - 2000 or something
wait
I just got that you just said that.
ignore me
 
9:40 PM
they need to fill up with air
 
they dont even pop out
 
What's going on my homies, Arrows in the house!
 
is there like a speed limitation for them or smth?
 
the speed/heat limit makes the icon turn red
 
I have min. pressure to some low value
 
9:40 PM
the default should be fine.
 
yea you need to be going slow enough for them not to rip off
 
There should be negative stars so you can dislike a comment without flagging it
 
@ssube yeah Im about to do some engine slowdown jus before reentry
 
if the icon is gray and you can deploy them, they might be getting caught in/under the ship
I've had that happen, parachute cords follow no laws
 
9:44 PM
wat?
 
lol
it's a new meme
 
> a new meme
 
2 days ago, by Kendall Frey
@rlemon so this is a meme now?
 
I'm still catching up with this new 'cat thing' that the internet is doing.
 
9:45 PM
2 days ago, by rlemon
user image
original post
 
I... can stand behind (and tower above) this meme
 
and the original meme
it's gone through a few layers already
it'll hash itself out in the end
 
This is the first one I saw:
 
lol
 
9:46 PM
randy newman would be proud
 
thing is, the original original meme was posted a long time ago, I remember thinking it ws funny on imgur then
now like a year? maybe longer later, it's popular and great again
back then it never got meta-meme'd
 
ah, the hipsters found it
 
before memes were memes
 
preme? prememe?
 
primemial
 
9:48 PM
I'm pretty sure the 'if X wore pants' was the main kickstarter of the meta-meme
the meme-meme if you will
 
it meta every stretch goal
 
yee haw, successful landing.
 
I do like the pants-wearing memes
 
\o/
 
they bring up a lot of serious questions I'd never considered
 
9:48 PM
lmao, this guys avatar
 
@KamilSolecki now get landing gear and touchdown on the launchpad
 
I was not expecting a classical painting.
 
great use of rake
 
It would have been a cool painting, but now it looks like somebody's junk. :\
 
9:50 PM
haha yea
 
@KevinB @Luggage after reading the meta post it sounds like he wants jsfiddle collab mode
re-reading rather.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ there's only like 4 people that use Bing and chances are, they are not answering questions. — I haz kode 8 hours ago
 
@rlemon that post is an enigma, everyone who looks at it sees him asking something different
 
ur got dang right
 
yea, you start you answer by saving a working version of the 'fiddle', then answer questions about the answer
 
9:52 PM
except there won't be any questions about the answer, once you've written it for free
 
right
 
and he hasn't responded
 
that would fall under "looking a gift horse in the mouth"
@KevinB how ironic
 
@rlemon I just got enough science to research that. Although if I'm gonna land on the actual runway, that will be a miracle
 
if you need more science, go on a driving tour around your base
 
9:54 PM
i've yet to land a pod on the runway/launch pad after reentry, have come close though.
 
also, EVA while in orbit above multiple biomes (beach, desert, flatlands, mountains, etc) and stash the science in the capsule
 
landing planes though, that's not too bad once you get past the early landing gear
 
hi guys
 
once you figure out landing planes, they're great fun
 
this playthrough i made a point to do quite a bit of plane contracts
they're pretty good early-game income
 
9:56 PM
I suck at flying
well, building the planes
the stock planes I can fly no problem
 
I had a ton of trouble at first, but it was all in my wing design.
 
when i get back into ksp, and finish putting minmus station in place, i'll make a crew ssto
 
@Luggage >while in orbit sobs
 
what i'm always unsure about is how much wing i need
 
I have yet to reach a stable orbit outside tutorial
 
9:57 PM
moar wing. If it's too much, just add more engines. :D
 
not enough wing? go faster.
 
it's easy to figure out the amount of thrust you need, and where to put com/col/cot
 
you'll have all that surface to stick em on
 
I always make crafts that you get to the end of the runway, it kinda takes off, then just either flips out or crashes
 
I'm a fan of having a fuel-tank core and putting the engines out on huge wings.
 
9:58 PM
Alright everyone I'll see you tomorrow
 
Also, you usually don't need a large back wing and smaller front wing. Adding more control surfaces to the butt end is better.
 
!!afk emoji emoji emoji (home)
 
I made way too many Eurofighters before realizing that.
 

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