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5:00 PM
and I don't see any problem which can only be solved using this stuff
 
as soon as you start dealing with first-class classes, they become necessary
being able to instantiate a class without new is one of the best examples
 
const bar = Symbol('bar');

class Foo {
    [ bar ] () {
        return 'baz';
    }
}
shit example, but it gets the point across
 
I'd argue that using new is really useful to make it very clear what happens there
 
MyClass.call(Object.create(MyClass.prototype), arg1, arg2)
 
seems silly to do all that just to avoid writing 'new'
 
5:02 PM
^
 
I wouldn't.. unless I had to.
 
beside that it looks like ... just wrong
 
or had dynamic arguments
 
dynamic arguments I can understand, but dynamic arguments for a constructor seems like a problem in itsself
 
.apply() would have been a better example, for dynamic arguments
agreed.
 
5:03 PM
unless you don't know what the constructor is ahead of time
or how many arguments it might take
it's not the the constructor thinks they're dynamic, it's that you don't know
 
That seems like another problem as well
 
a "problem" any DI library will run into
 
so far it really reads like Reflection only fixes problems which shouldn't be present in the first place or somebody fucked up the interface real hard
 
They are just a redundant duplication of things like Object.keys(), Object.create(), etc
 
reflection is for dealing with classes that you know nothing about ahead of time
 
5:04 PM
Because those methods shouldn't be on Object, as far as I read
 
I seems useless in JS and I get that. Reflection makes more sense in other languages
 
Alright
This has been very informative
thanks fam
 
in other languages you can't have any ol' expression after a 'new' keyword like in JS
 
Perl would disagree
 
Perl is dead; argument is moot
 
5:06 PM
perl is not a good example of anything
 
Perl is Perl
 
in fact, if it's in perl, you probably shouldn't do it
it's more like a collection of code smells than a language
 
People even stopped naming kids Pearl.
 
Perl is still getting new versions anyways :)
 
Tell that to Mr Crabs
 
5:07 PM
Larry (was the guys name, no?) is still at it
 
@jAndy that's like saying that poop is getting new colours
 
in fact, there are some "nice" frameworks and constructs out which make a half-decent language out of Perl
can't recall the name, but I knew of at least one
like... making Perl into a functional language thing
Mojolicious
 
but they haven't made it fast yet :(
 
The company I used to work for created their entire business on Perl and the main software too (biggest CMS for in Europes publishing houses)
 
5:11 PM
@Luggage I mean, cool, but who the hell even has access to a quantum computer?
 
the language is ugly as fuck, smells, unreadable and I generally hate it, but... talking about magic and getting stuff done "somehow", Perl is your thing
 
those are all subjective things
 
but the media doesn't deserve better, so, Perl was just the right choice to create software for them
 
the media deserves asp
 
lol
 
5:13 PM
fake news
 
perl doesn't even follow the usual time-space rules, it is actually magic
 
asp+perl and flash on the frontend, maybe
perl doesn't follow anything. The JSON Module from CPAN is so fucked up ... holy hell
 
ever tried to hack on bugzilla (mozilla's bug tracker)?
that's the most perl I've been exposed to at once
 
I don't even like using bugzilla
 
I use angular-todo-mvc to track my bugs
 
5:27 PM
bugzilla looks like 1992
 
@jAndy The Game
2
 
Fakkk it's cooooooold
 
It's really warm here today
17 F
 
-15c with the wind
 
17 f = -8c
nice
 
5:31 PM
@KendallFrey jesus man, I just watched that video.. that was hard to watch
 
43 Freedoms here
 
@rlemon but why tho?
 
I saw the description and noped out
 
@SterlingArcher which
 
@Vap0r I'll ask
 
5:32 PM
@KendallFrey the police one
 
I didn't watch the video. I opted to read the comments instead, lol
There's some people who were defending the cop in the comments
 
@rlemon that's seriously insane. if you left meat out too long it would get freezer-burnt instead of spoiled
 
@SterlingArcher I can't remember anything like that
 
Fuck its way too cold to vape. I can't tell whats vape and what's just my breath
 
@ndugger he was scared for his life dude
 
5:33 PM
oh that one
 
@Vap0r Have you see the South Park episode where the hunters find a loophole in hunting laws by yelling "Ahhh, it's coming right for us" before they shoot the animal?
It's basically the same thing
 
No
 
123
 
that was funny
This isn't quite near as hilarious
READ: it wasn't funny
 
@ndugger the comment section is full of fallacies
> Who would hire that tattood looser?
 
5:34 PM
lol
 
because tattoos are clearly the work of the devil and evil people
 
tatoos are basically santa
 
lol i love you bro
 
ohh, is this the one in the hallway with the crying and "put your hands up, now crawl"?
 
yeah
 
5:34 PM
@SterlingArcher I prefer my comments full of phalluses <=3
 
@ndugger if we're not married by 30, will you perform a murder suicide orgy with me?
 
Yea. Won't be watching that again.
 
@Luggage "If you put your hands down I will kill you, if you need to fall, fall on your face, now crawl."
 
as long as I don't have to orgy your butt
 
Deals off
 
5:35 PM
Can we at least take comfort that even people with such poor arguing skills still recognize that officer as a douchenozzle?
 
k
 
@Vap0r to be fair, that was pretty clear
 
@Vap0r exactly. and the guy is obviously too scared shitless to not crawl. he's just trying to do what he says
 
hello every one.
 
@KendallFrey how was that clear?
 
5:36 PM
There was a shooter on the grassy knoll guys cmon
 
@Vap0r "If you put your hands down I will kill you" He put his hands down and was killed
 
@KendallFrey how do you crawl without your hands?
 
after crawling like commanded for several seconds
 
I guess he did tell him to use his face
 
@Vap0r with your knees?
 
5:37 PM
So I guess it's crawling, but instead of hands you use your face
@KendallFrey that's not crawling
 
what is it then?
 
moving about on your knees?
 
I knew exactly what the cop meant
So did the woman
 
if you are just being kendall and trying to nipick.. it's not coming over well
sounds more like you are on the cops sid eand the guy deserves to be shot for not finding a way to crawl with no hands
 
@KendallFrey shame he didn't use the right words.
 
5:38 PM
The cop wanted them to slither like a snake
 
@Luggage I'm honestly surprised that I'm the only one who seems to think "crawl with your hands up" makes sense
 
which actually is kind of funny
 
@KendallFrey I'm surprised you seem to think that it does
 
elbows
 
would you use your elbows?
 
5:38 PM
@Luggage definitely not on the cop's side (in general)
 
if he was shot instantly, sure. But he let the guy crawl for a while, then shot
 
That's usually how my grindr encounters end
 
I'm surprised that in the presence of a clearly stated definition of the word crawl that there is still any debate on what crawling is
 
> cop: slither like a slippery little snake, or you're gonna get it, m8
dude: k, don't shoot
cop: bang, boi
 
while crawling he reached back, it looked like. That could be the cop's excuse.
 
5:39 PM
the end
 
@Luggage was the officer giving the orders the first shooter?
 
@Luggage I think it was
 
People are suggesting another cop shot first
 
The reach back "justifies" the offers actions. I'm of the belief that it should have never gotten that far.
 
5:40 PM
When someone has their hands spread out and their legs crossed face down they are completely submissive
@ndugger delicious but your supposed to melt the cheese into the cereal
 
I'd have some sympathy with that (he reached back, I shot), but the commands up until then were all about power, not safety. The whole 'under no circomstances put your hands down, now crawl" was just confusing and trouble prone.
 
@Vap0r At that point, you move in to arrest him, right?
 
yea. or taser him if you are that scared.
 
@KendallFrey that's my understanding of standard police procedure.
 
then cuff
 
5:41 PM
if SWAT 4 taught me anything, yes
otherwise you lose the mission
 
@Luggage yeah I have no idea why he gave the orders he did
 
I dont know because I am a beginner, but when I post a question here, what type of question should I post?
 
as direct and reproducible a question as possible
 
a good one
 
with code
 
5:43 PM
@Seongwon-Choi NK is best K or no?
 
@Seongwon-Choi if you do your research and post your attempt at solving, that's a good question
 
@ssube btw, the user the issue was recently raised over got a year off.
 
@Vap0r easy bro
 
a la Jon
 
All/most of my cop experiences have been simple pleasant affairs, but if some cop had his gun and and wanted to, say, search may car. I won't be taking lawyer advice and denying him. I'll be taking 'don't die' advice and complain that I felt scared later at the station. I also know people that are cops and should not be.
 
5:44 PM
@rlemon lol, I was following that this morning
didn't know it was a full year
 
@SterlingArcher easy doesn't mean it isn't quality :)
 
@Luggage thankfully you understand that these are a tiny fraction of the real good cops
 
in anyones expert opinion, what would be easier. learning openscad or three.js?
 
People see these and think every cop is out there to kill
 
three.js is pretty easy to learn
 
5:45 PM
of course. a tiny fraction. but a tiny fraction that don't need any more excuses about 'this job is dangerous'
 
@rlemon Aren't those completely different things?
 
yes, but they'll both serve the same end goal for me
 
and a less tiny fraction that will look the other way.
 
what goal is that?
 
5:45 PM
^
 
Police unions are too powerful
 
@Luggage that's quite a large fraction, ime
 
making procedural generated shapes that I can export to a stl.
 
s/unions/onions/
 
I have family in law enforcement and the shit they bragged about at parties
 
5:46 PM
At least we can all agree that the Pineapple Safeword guy was the best police encounter of all time
 
@rlemon three.js will do none of that for you
 
> I shot a kid with a basketball--shit was so cash, bro
 
@SterlingArcher uh what?
 
nah, mostly just stealing evidence
lots and lots of stealing evidence
 
@KendallFrey so you saying I can't make 3d objects in three? or I can't export them
 
5:47 PM
pot? money?
 
because I already know I can do both.
 
@rlemon three is a rendering library
 
hard drugs mostly
 
@ssube I'd be fine with that if they didn't still leave enough for me to catch the charge
 
5:47 PM
they have some other drugs to plant for that.
 
if I were a cop, I'd steal pot that I confiscated and smoke it myself
 
@Vap0r they take it, weigh it, charge you, stash it away, but never quite log it
after your case is closed, it goes missing
 
@KendallFrey so? I can still generate a 3d mesh and export it to a stl file
 
before then they might ask to see it in court
 
@rlemon generate it how?
 
5:48 PM
with code
 
since most evidence is just shoved in warehouses to rot, nobody can be arsed to care
 
then where does three come in?
I don't remember three doing anything with creating models
 
when I say THREE I probably mean just webgl
 
@SterlingArcher that's how far I go! You think I'm in pilates??
hahahahaha
this is great
 
but all the tuts are using THREE, so that's what I'm going on
clearly I don't know it
 
5:49 PM
@rlemon Well, same deal
 
and you can create stl files from it
 
ok, so you have three + that, and now you have a tool that can export STL files
 
> watch your fingers booty-hole man
 
oh and render them
 
dead
 
5:50 PM
I wrote my own tool for exporting STL
 
real talk though i got snacks in my car
 
But I don't know of anything that will generate a mesh for you
(in three/webgl world)
 
procedural meshes are fairly well documented
aren't they?
 
I'm finding a lot of tuts and examples
so I'm just going to roll with this and ignore the haters.
 
if you know trig, the math is not bad
 
5:51 PM
@rlemon link me one?
 
the whole surface normals thing is probably the worst
 
@KendallFrey of procedurally generated objects using three?
 
@ssube Yeah you can create your own, but what does three/webgl have to do with any of that?
 
@SterlingArcher you're really strong I see why you two are together :'D
 
@rlemon yes please
 
5:52 PM
@KendallFrey it doesn't
 
@ssube I knew a guy named Trig, he's in jail now
 
@ssube well that's my point
 
short for Trigger
 
because like.. type that into google and get your own list man. if this is you being pedantic because I am getting terms wrong, I already explained I don't know what I'm doing yet. I just asked which to learn.
 
@SterlingArcher knew in the biblical sense?
 
5:53 PM
If that doesn't explain why he's in jail idk what will
 
@SterlingArcher that's like being named Candy
you're pretty much doomed
 
It wasn't his real name
 
he was an asian gang member
nice guy tbh, but dangerous
 
you should be able to sue your parents if they name you something awful and that turns out to be your career
 
5:53 PM
https://github.com/lmparppei/deadtree
https://codepen.io/Yakudoo/details/pgPgeb
http://learningthreejs.com/blog/2013/08/02/how-to-do-a-procedural-city-in-100lines/
for starters.
 
@KendallFrey does that mean sex? idk what that means
 
@SterlingArcher yeah
 
@SterlingArcher it do
 
roger roger
 
especially if yall are related
 
5:54 PM
oh
 
then it's extra biblical
that's not a requirement
 
yeah no i avoided being around that dude. He was bad news
 
I knew a russian kid like that in columbia
 
@rlemon Still just looks like the mesh is being created manually, which, sure, you can do that, but there's no point in using three.js for it
 
@ssube the country, town or district?
 
5:55 PM
unless I don't know what I'm doing and all of the good tutorials I'm finding use three.js
 
Whereas I'm assuming openscad will generate the mesh for you from a higher-level shape
 
@Luggage the planned suburb in MD
 
my first guess.
then the country
 
kid lived in a row house, pretty unassuming except that he had a driver
 
@rlemon Possibly, because they want to render their shapes instead of print them
 
5:56 PM
I assume you don't mean like a short bus...
 
we met up with him one night and as we were leaving, he stopped us and showed us a picture of this guy and said something like "if you see him, stop him and then call me, he stole a pound of pot last night"
 
I wrote a mesh generator for one of my puzzles, I can show you the code (C#) if you want
 
and we're just like "sure m8, we'll jump this guy" and gtfo
 
you could have gotten a lucrative job
 
and that's my experience with baltimore's russians
 
5:57 PM
@ssube yeah man, them dudes are bad news. Low enough to be dangerous because they wanna play gangster
I don't like baltimore
 
I don't think he was that low
 
too sketchy
 
he was into other stuff than just drugs
 
bah, baltimore is fine
the gunfire stops at a respectable 10pm.
 
that's plenty of time to clean up before bed
 
5:58 PM
silencers only after 10
 
plus, brick houses are pretty much immune to bullets and nobody has windows anyway
my favorite part of baltimore is the street that gets decorated for xmas
 
@rlemon maybe the question I forgot to ask was, do you want to work with triangles and vertices, or solid shapes (like cubes, cylinders, spheres, chamfers, etc.)?
 

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