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user2620028
8:05 PM
@BadgerCat even a friend?
 
@HatterisMad not on my own, I would invite more friends
 
user2620028
@BadgerCat thats really weird
 
this is the day @HatterisMad finds out he actually went on many dates he didn't know about
 
user2620028
@towc uhh.... no....
 
user2620028
@badger is this like a cultural thing?
 
8:11 PM
@HatterisMad it might be
 
user2620028
@BadgerCat do you have any reasoning behind it? people will think you are having sex with the dude or something?
 
@HatterisMad I've had enough unwanted advances from dudes so I wouldn't put myself in that position
 
user2620028
the word no doesn't work?
 
I don't want to wait for the day that it might not work
 
user2620028
learn how to defend yourself?
 
user2620028
8:22 PM
i mean i am not judging you, i just can't imagining living like that
 
that's not exactly a solution
@HatterisMad it's not her responsibility to prevent it
I'm not sure if you're being serious right now, but those suggestions are far from helpful
 
user2620028
Yeah, lets just say i definitely don't agree with you ssube
 
@HatterisMad what's the problem with me not hanging out at a guy's place on my own if I don't have a romantic interest on him?
I can think of many male friends that I trust, but still, the more the merrier?
I was just encouraging towc
 
user2620028
I think it is just sad that you live your life every day feeling scared that someone might attack you.
 
I don't live like that
 
user2620028
8:31 PM
But you are preventing the opportunity for an attack by never visiting a friends place alone if they are male.
 
user2620028
that is the way i interpreted what you said
 
because it's still a real possibility
 
something something al franken
 
good riddance to that piece of shit
worthless speaker, did nothing but grope women and start fights in congress
 
user2620028
@ssube so why do you think people learning to defend themselves is a poor choice
 
8:36 PM
That's besides the point, I've been doing a muay thai and kickboxing for 2 years.
 
two parts: it's not terribly effective at stopping assault and it shouldn't be the (potential) victim's responsibility to stop it
 
What he's saying is that I shouldn't have to to feel safe.
 
^ exactly
it shouldn't be a problem you have to think about in the first place
 
user2620028
@ssube thats my point entirely
 
the fact we've let it get that far is fucking absurd and those people need to burn
 
user2620028
8:37 PM
but i don't think it is responsible to view self defense that way
 
The fact that it shouldn't happen doesn't mean you shouldn't prepare for it to, especially if it's a relatively likely scenario.
 
self defense doesn't work for children
the elderly, the infirm
 
@ssube Right, there are other measures for those
 
for most of the likely victims, it's at best useless
@MadaraUchiha like preventing the problem in the first place, rather than suggesting violence as a stop gap
 
And even with my MMA training, copy can still pin me down if he wants to. I go to the gym 2 hours a day and he plays Overwatch 5 hours a day. He's still stronger.
 
8:38 PM
working out every day didn't help Terry Crews
 
if it can happen to him, it can happen to me
 
@ssube Look, I agree with you. I'd love to not have to worry about these things, and I generally don't.
 
boaty
 
But it boils down to whether you trust your environment enough to allow your 5y/o to walk on their own from home to kindergarden
Whether you trust it enough to walk on your own, in the dark, through a bad neighborhood
Ideally, the answer is yes, practically, in most cases, the answer is no.
 
8:39 PM
There are levels of trust, too
 
we'll never get rid of mugging in dark alleys
 
Self defense is clearly a short term solution to a long term problem.
 
but you should be able to feel safe walking down the street or in a business meeting, which isn't guaranteed today
 
user2620028
I suppose ultimately what I was annoyed about is that it seemed like you were implying that you were avoiding going to a male's house because it that action alone justified them to make a move on you.
 
8:40 PM
That doesn't mean it's not a viable solution for you
 
user2620028
I was trying to say that it is sad if you, or others, live your life and avoid doing things like going over to a friends house because you think that justifies their behavior.
 
@HatterisMad if that's what you meant, I completely misinterpreted it and you didn't deserve any of that.
 
user2620028
@ssube i was talking about what badger said
 
As I said, I was encouraging towc
 
it sounded like you were saying that she should do it anyway and hope that saying "no" would magically prevent it
 
user2620028
8:42 PM
@BadgerCat you were encouraging towc that if a girl goes over to his place then he is justified in hitting on her, because you wouldn't go over to a guys house alone if you didn't expect it
 
Maybe there's a possibility that I would hang out at a male friend's apartment on my own if I trust him.
 
with self defense as some kind of fallback
 
@HatterisMad I didn't mean it like that
 
user2620028
@BadgerCat it perpetuates it regardless
 
they've been into each other for a while and she invited herself over, which seems like an advance
 
8:45 PM
you planning a table top game or something?
why all the tiny prints?
 
idk. I might print some backdrop for them.
I've been messing with the settings and trying to figure out how much detail I can get, they are good for that
 
well, that escalated at an, uhmm... normal escalation pace?
 
@ssube you should pick up a .3 or .2 nozzle
super cheap on amazon
 
I got a pack of different ones
 
Those look great btw
 
8:51 PM
yeah, barely had to mess with it. Mostly temps and base settings, setting a 3mm outside brim helped.
most of those are on Cura's fine preset
trying one of these now: thingiverse.com/thing:2574499
 
user2620028
@towc moral of the story, i wasn't saying that a girl is never going to come to your place and want to get naughty, moreover was saying that it is also just as possible for a girl to come over and just want to hangout and spend time with you. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Read the social situation at hand.
 
@HatterisMad I agree with you on this particular message
 
@HatterisMad I also agree with you, I also misunderstood what you were trying to say completely. I'm sorry
 
user2620028
@Badger I was truly just trying to understand how you felt about the situation, because it was a new perspective for me.
 
user2620028
@Badger I was kind of offended and caught up in the message that, from my point of view, any of my friends who are females that have come over to my house to hang out might have thought of me as a predator because they were going to my place. Was just kind of shocked that just because I am a guy that was the default way to handle the situation.
 
8:56 PM
me, whenever I invite someone over (or to anything), I also ask them if they'd like to invite some other friend, usually
 
user2620028
I was trying to write this and better capture the questions and thoughts i was trying to express in the conversation before that @ssube was weirded out by.
 
@rlemon @Loktar first attempt
 
@KendallFrey looks like you, stop banging the 3d printer!
 
aww you're sweet
 
is it a mirror?
 
8:56 PM
@KendallFrey looks great
 
@ShrekOverflow looks more like you, tbh
similar face shape
 
@rlemon not really, but still neat
 
@ssube Squint and compare Kendall's picture!
 
1 hour left on my boat
 
you are printing a boat
 
8:57 PM
@Loktar after re-arranging the pads, hasn't lifted again
 
the nerves on this bird 0.o
Gentle boop😎 https://t.co/Qs75a4uQ18
 
@HatterisMad I wouldn't worry, it might really be cultural.
 
im getting - ERROR in bundle.js from UglifyJs
Unexpected token operator «=», expected punc «,» - it seems that UglifyJS doesn't like es6 code. but i'm not using UglifyJS anywhere in my code. i think that one of my dependencies might be.
 
are any of you guys die hard pug / sass / es6 no comma fans?
 
es6 no comma? 0.o
 
9:00 PM
i dont come across to many programmers who desire to type as few lines as possible and still achieve the same functionality
yeah, to hell with commas!
 
how... what?
 
commas serve a purpose
 
nah. They are not needed. My js files are perfectly readable without them
looks much cleaner without the commas
 
are you sure you don't mean semicolons?
 
9:01 PM
^
 
haha whoops!
 
comma: ,
semicolon: ;
 
and if you do, you're a terrible person and you can leave
 
^
 
user2620028
@BadgerCat I know my girlfriend doesn't feel this way, but a lot of that is because the large majority of thai guys that she interacts with are gay or trans. But again she had someone brush up against her on the train on purpose and she was too polite to say anything about it... That really irks me off.
 
9:01 PM
semicolons are so oldschool lol
 
relying on an error correction mechanism is wrong
 
do you guys use pug or sass for css and html?
 
the semicolonness of pug and sass is ok
but if you don't want semicolons in the logic, go kid around with python
 
exactly! I love python too
 
9:03 PM
@KendallFrey haven't laughed at that for a while
 
python pug sass and semi colon less javascript workflow
 
@55Cancri have you heard of parens-less lisp?
 
If you don't use semicolons your code will never make it into anything I maintain
 
woah, no you're getting a bit outhanded towc lol
 
semicolons are not as fundamental, but we just keep them in the back of our minds to make sense of things, as it should be
 
user2620028
9:04 PM
am i the only one that thinks it visually looks better with semicolons?
 
@HatterisMad no
it is easier to read and looks better with
 
@HatterisMad they add order, sure
 
I like the look of them
 
I think I just seriously programming about a year ago and so using semi colons was never forced into me through years of repetition
 
9:04 PM
parens, curlies, and semis make it much easier to read
 
started seriously*
 
🐱♥️🐶🤗 https://t.co/jfHAGP4726
 
shorter !== easier to read
 
the towc principle
 
after years of hard work by room 17
 
9:05 PM
that's why I put blank spaces in all over the place, and give braces each their own line
 
and use braces for single-line blocks
 
that's an awful nice butt
 
thats why you use a good theme in your editor and you wont lose any readability
 
user2620028
i like no curlies on singe lines
 
9:06 PM
@55Cancri you're not only writing the code for you to read
 
@55Cancri that's new
 
@55Cancri the readability is a nice side effect, the real goal is an unambigious parse
 
@55Cancri Takes more than fancy colours to make code readable
 
@ShrekOverflow claps at the bird
 
9:07 PM
ruby made a bunch of the symbols optional, now fairly normal constructs can be unparseable
 
I think there is a strong subset of programmers who have opted for the semicolonless workflow and I have decided to join that side instead
 
colors and whitespace are for humans, delimiters are for the machines
 
The expression that the bird makes at the end is priceless
 
@55Cancri I'm pretty sure semicolons have nothing to do with workflow
 
less typing.
 
9:08 PM
@55Cancri that's fine, but don't expect people to help you out on github, accept your contributions, or for interviewers to look at your code and think "that's good code", or even for us to review it
 
if you never use semicolons, you can rebind ; to npm run build
 
When using emmet, no need to go back to the end and add a semi
 
2 mins ago, by Kendall Frey
that's why I put blank spaces in all over the place, and give braces each their own line
 
then it is part of your workflow
 
user2620028
over semicolons? really
 
9:09 PM
dammit
 
not using semis is on part with using inline events
 
user2620028
you think an interviewer is petty/stupid enough to look at someones code and think, you know what, i bet he didn't hit the semicolon key because he is incapable of doing so.
 
@HatterisMad Me? no
 
wow towc, thats harsh merely for not using semicolons. Its not like I am writing extremely long one liners
 
user2620028
@KendallFrey responding to what towc said about it stopping him from getting a job
 
9:10 PM
6 mins ago, by Kendall Frey
If you don't use semicolons your code will never make it into anything I maintain
 
thank you Hatter
 
hopefully it takes more than that to fail an interview, but it is lousy code
 
guys anyone here who used mobx?
 
finally someone here gets it
 
it would be worth asking about
 
9:10 PM
now, if you insist on committing semicolonless code into a semicolon codebase, you should get the boot
 
@HatterisMad he'll mostly think "this guy doesn't play ball with most of the community, he's probably not going to be willing to adapt to our team"
 
@rlemon same goes for whitespace
and brackets and parens
 
user2620028
@towc maybe you should ask him if he is willing to use semicolons to get the job
 
is my thought
 
@ssube sure
 
9:11 PM
@55Cancri are you willing to use semicolons to get the job?
 
I would not refrain from using semicolons if I was apart of a business that was using them
 
most editors can handle that formatting
 
if the project/file has a style, stick with it
 
I agree completely with that rlemon.
 
Without semicolons you might have a line continuation. Except then you read the next line and find out it isn't. That's annoying.
 
9:11 PM
that was actually the rule on Wine, since a bunch of different parts used different styles
 
I don't know of an editor that will insert semicolons for me, but on a second thought it probably exists as a plugin
 
@1983 sometimes the compiler decides you have a continuation that you didn't want
 
user2620028
@ssube this is basically the correct answer at all times, or at least i assumed, whenever entering the workforce
 
if you always use semicolons, that's not a problem
@HatterisMad I can't imagine it would ever be wrong
if all else fails, don't make things up
 
@ssube Indeed. So when reading code without semicolons, I wonder, at every line, if the author made a mistake.
 
9:12 PM
honestly towc, I don't think I would. It seems highly inefficient to me.
 
Same with == vs ===. No need to make it harder to read.
 
user2620028
we endure much worse to get jobs than switching line delimiters
 
on that note, a horrifying part of vue's website doesn't use semicolons: github.com/vuejs/vuejs.org/blob/master/themes/vue/source/js/…
 
user2620028
like putting on pants
 
@1983 I don't. Not using semicolons is itself a mistake in my eyes.
 
9:13 PM
@1983 which are you advocating for?
 
so I had to write semicolon-less code (not for golfing) for the first time :/
 
@KendallFrey Heh.
 
@1983 === or bust
part of readability is the PLA: Principle of Least Astonishment
 
loose equality checking is for lazy assholes
 
== can astonish the fuck out of you
=== doesn't
 
9:14 PM
@ndugger The one that requires the least effort to understand; that is kindest to the reader.
 
part of my boat is PLA
the other part is too
 
but there is an actual functional difference between == and ===
that isnt the case with dropping the semi
 
@55Cancri yes, == is bad and broken, === provides equality
 
@1983 they do two very different things, so competing the two against eachother in the name of readability is entirely moot
 
semicolon-less also might do some really confusing stuff, while you're more sure to know what happens when you use semicolons
@ssube I... never made the connection :P
 
9:16 PM
PLA is the corn plastic that lemon invented for 3d printing
 
@55Cancri oh yes, dropping semicolons can have serious implications
try picking some js project, and switch all instances of ; to nothing
nothing might happen, but when it does, it's super hard to debug
 
I think I will actually give that a shot towc
 
well, not super hard
 
mobx anyone? :) (seems no :(()
 
but it's not a thing you should have to worry about
 
9:17 PM
@ndugger My point is to be kind to the reader. Even if the code is correct.
 
Giorgi, I think rlemon uses it
 
@GiorgiMoniava ask your question, and if anyone's around and willing to help, they'll answer
 
@1983 you're bad at getting your point across
 
he was telling me about it yesterday and recommended it over redux
 
9:17 PM
@towc you just need (function () { return function (x) { console.log(x); } })(); (function () { return 'bar'; })
 
@ndugger Probably because I left out the semicolons.
 
two IIFE modules concatenated
remove the semi, it breaks
 
If you're still using IIFEs, you're bad
 
eh, the second isn't IIFE, but it works anyway
 
inb4 you should be using !function(...) { ... }()
 
9:19 PM
just learned github omits the semi in internally developed code:
58
Q: Why the recent shift to removing/omitting semicolons from Javascript?

JonathanIt seems to be fashionable recently to omit semicolons from Javascript. There was a blog post a few years ago emphasising that in Javascript, semicolons are optional and the gist of the post seemed to be that you shouldn't bother with them because they're unnecessary. The post, widely cited, does...

 
> asked Mar 29 '12 at 12:05
lol
 
^
 
es6 and jsx didn't even exist when that was written
 
I agree with the top answer there: you should really only use the semi if you use other languages that also require the semi. But again just personal preferences at the end of the day
 
half the language has been added
 
9:20 PM
@55Cancri that's not what they're saying
 
the top guy? with 41 votes?
 
btw, @55Cancri really quick, without running this, what do you think will be logged?
let b, c
let a = [1, 2]
[b, c] = [3, 4]
console.log(a, b, c)
I think it's one of the least convoluted examples
 
[1, 2, 3, 4]?
 
wut
that'd be wrong even if you added semicolons
but kinda
you'd expect [1, 2], 3, 4, is what you should have said, but still
once you understand why, try running it
 
oh, I see why 3 and 4 are not part of the array. I was reading over something like that in firefox docs, but I forgot that nuance
 
9:26 PM
that's not even the problem
 
what do you mean?
 
the problem is that it can do something very unexpected if you don't have semicolons
in fact, just about any kind of array destructuring reassignments after previous expressions just go out of the window without semicolons
 
I dont an issue unless you try to put that all on one line
 
which might not sound like too big a deal because of the amount of words it took me to explain that, but it's something we do all the time
@55Cancri what do you expect it to log?
 
well what you said
hold let me try it out
 
9:30 PM
I'll hold
 
(2) [3, 4]
(2) [3, 4] undefined undefined
 
what do you make of it?
now, try adding the semicolons at the end of each line
 
hold on, I read an article about this a few weeks ago
 
you don't need much knowledge to figure this out
 
if gave only 3 instances in which you would absolutely need to use semi colons
and this might be one of them. Let me try and find it
 
9:31 PM
as long as you know what destructuring is (the [b, c] = [3, 4])
 
articles are cool, but I think the point is that semicolons can make a real difference
 
@55Cancri you shouldn't have to think about it
the reader shouldn't think "oh, uhm, did he put a semicolon here?" or "why did he put a semicolon here?"
principle of least astonishment
you just got astonished
hence, lack of semicolons in JS easily fails the PLA
 
Was that the type of code that you need to write often for the type of work you do?
 
I don't need to
but it makes things a lot easier to read and maintain
and sometimes is plain faster to type out than using array methods
 
sounds like a slippy slope fallacy. The idea that you may need to use a semi-colon on a few rare occasions, therefore you should ALWAYS use a semi-colon. I dont think that is very fair
How often do you do array destructing like that in the way you just presented?
 
9:36 PM
pretty much every day
the thing before doesn't have to be an array
 
[head, ...rest] is all over my code
 
it can be anything, except for nothing
 
destructuring in general is so useful
 
no need to worry about this, for example:
() => {
  [a, ...b] = something
}
but just about anything else before the destructuring will make it weird
it will try to assign something to undefined or something else
undefined no longer can be assigned to, but the chain persists
let a = undefined = 2;
console.log(a, undefined)
 
found it
 
9:39 PM
interestingly enough, that will log 2 undefined
which is what was happening in the other snippet
 
just as you have pointed out a few instances where not using it fails you.
 
mah boat is almost done \o/
 
His verdict was that there are more instances where you need to worry if you should have put a semicolon there, vs not including them at all.
 
If having a coffee in the morning doesn’t wake you up, try deleting a table in a production database instead.
 
you never have to worry if you should put one in. If you are worried, add two.
More semicolons never hurts.
 
9:41 PM
@towc That will throw in strict mode.
 
const foo = 1;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
safety first
 
start your lines with semicolons for safety
 
@towc Well, that'll wake you up for sure.
 
And not quite the same as the first snippet.
 
Yes here it is!
 
9:42 PM
18 mins ago, by towc
let b, c
let a = [1, 2]
[b, c] = [3, 4]
console.log(a, b, c)
 
There is only ONE rule if you never use semicolons: Never start a line with [ , ( , or `
 
halfway on the tower
 
and your example exploited that.
So literally here is the ONLY thing I have to remember: Don't start a line with [, (, or `
 
@55Cancri so never do array destructuring?
 
@55Cancri that's not the only rule
 
9:42 PM
function foo() {;
;;const x = 1;;;;
;;const y = 2;;;;
;;if (y > x) {;;;
;;;;return true;;
;;};;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;return false;;;
};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
 
return \n 'foo'; breaks
 
@MadaraUchiha pwetty :3
 
if I destructure, add semi. Simple.
 
@towc Yeah, that one.
 
9:43 PM
@1983 that's exactly what's happening
 
Doesn't to be that big of a thing to keep in mind.
 
@55Cancri if you destructure, or the line starts with [ or ( or `, or if you have a return, or so many other cases
 
[1, 2][undefined, undefined] evaluates to undefined
 
if you think you can remember all the rules, it will be a nice challenge
 
@towc In the second one the assignment to undefined does nothing, so it's still undefined when you log it.
 
9:43 PM
@ssube pls, you know the rules and so do I.
 
In the first the assignment succeeds, just not to what you might think it is.
 
@towc Not really surprising
 
never gonna give you up. never gonna let you down. 🎵
 
@MadaraUchiha wasn't meant to be, trying to explain a snippet to this person
 
are we talking about the same rules?
also, I'm buying some paint for the tiny prints
 
9:47 PM
@1983 and..?
@1983 it assigns to the result of the RHS expression, which is what undefined has been attempted to have been assigned to
it's the same as let a = (undefined = [3, 4])
 
wooo I have a boat!
 
all assignments either throw, or return the evalutation of the RHS
never tried using async/await as expressions
 
Yeah, that part is the same.
 
so what are you complaining about?
 
@towc It's not undefined because of destructuring though
 
9:49 PM
logging undefined -- the reason that's still undefined isn't the same as for b,c
 
@MadaraUchiha sure, but you'd expect destructuring to happen, if the semicolons weren't there
which is what I was trying to explain to the other fella
 
There aren't semicolons in your example
 
@1983 sure, never said it was
 
Right. Cool then :-)
 
@MadaraUchiha sorry, if there were semicolons
 
9:51 PM
@towc Where would the semicolons matter in that case?
 
this timelapse is going to be interesting, @rlemon. Started ~4 hours ago, so the sun has moved quite a bit, the basement light burned out at some point and I just replaced it, it'll be all over.
 
@MadaraUchiha run it with and without
 
imgur.com/a/mDvTv my boat has flaws
 
you know these things, I'm not sure why you're asking :/
@rlemon what flaws?
 
drooping in areas
few supports are shifted
 
9:53 PM
is the roof slightly displaced? It's your roof, it's free to do whatever it wants!
 
it came out well though
 
is the life support looking weird? Well, if it works
 
it looks like 2 arms giving perpendicular handjobs
really weird handjobs, mind you
 
wat
 
9:56 PM
cheap joke? No? ok
 
the way some of the towers and details just appear without the head ever appearing to visit them is cool
 
just remember to disable it if you doe vase mode
 
@towc just not sure what you mean
nah, the screenshots record to my RAID array
 
@ssube simple backwards and forwards movements, and one of them is literally an arm
 
gonna take a vase timelapse, fuck the police :D
 
9:57 PM
unless it's not called an arm anymore
 
@ssube mine crapped out after 6gb+ of images
 
lol
I didn't feel like setting up the pi, so I just plugged the camera and printer into my server, and it's been steady so far
working on the ansible changes to make sure octoprint runs as a service, mounts a directory minio can upload to, etc
 

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