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12:14 AM
@ssube what did i Miss?
 
12:54 AM
@towc About what in particular?
 
in general
just in case we were getting something very wrong
 
How far do I have to read back
 
'cos, ya know, we're all men
you don't have to
I think the first one was when mosho said that it was a weird case of sexual harrasment
wait how do I phrase this
 
@towc Even Meredith?
 
mosho was still condemning him, just commenting that it was weird
 
12:57 AM
Oh when mosho said that coerced consent is still consent?
Yeah that's not ok
 
a bit before that I think
 
"coerced consent"
yeah that's not a thing
 
I don't want to condemn anyone in this room at all, I'm just interested in the perspective of someone who might know a bit more about it
also, hi, long time no see :P
 
@towc I hope "it" means "having two X chromosomes"
 
the feeling and priorities and what to look out for?
you can fill "it" with many things, in this context she probably knows a lot more than most of us
 
1:02 AM
...because she has two X chromosomes, right?
and not because she was there or anything
 
also, correction: I meant "we're all men in that convo"
@KendallFrey yeah
 
I never said coerced consent :|
 
Sorry I didnt mean to talk about you behind your back
 
that's ok
I just meant, if they aren't attracted to him and would otherwise never give him the light of day, but in that scenario where he might have had power over their careers they would let him do what he did, is it not consent (for the wrong reasons)?
 
It's not consent no
 
1:06 AM
what about if a women has sex with a man only because of his perceived power
is that not "consent"?
 
As in to advance her career?
 
sure
whatever her internal dialog is
she isn't attracted to him at all, maybe a little disgusted
 
just to clarify: this isn't what happened for louis ck, we all agree to that?
 
yeah
not talking about him specifically
because later someone said they told people about it the next day
in a bad way
if that's corroborated, then it's pretty damning for him
but saying they were "frozen with shock" only a decade later, not so much
 
@Mosho It's not the kind of consent that's important in these discussion. It may be technical consent, but just saying the word "yes" doesn't mean everything is ok.
 
1:10 AM
@Mosho I wouldn't consider it consent
 
why not
women never ever take advantage of their sex to gain something?
 
controversiality! Yay!
 
If they feel like they're forced to have sex with someone in order to advance their career, it isn't consent
 
"wanna have sex?" "yes but I'm only having sex with you for a promotion" "that's fine by me"
so that's not consent?
 
It's not something you can really consent to
 
1:13 AM
what do you mean
what about social status
not a promotion
 
Any sort of power imbalance
 
@Meredith I have some bad news for you about how the world works then
 
The bigger the difference in power, the harder it gets to consent
 
 
1:15 AM
@towc what are you doing
 
delivering cats
feels appropriate for some reason
 
don't
unless someone ordered cats
 
@Mosho That's still pretty awful IMO
 
@KendallFrey sure, but it happens
 
can I ask a question about XMLHttpRequest here?
 
1:16 AM
@Mosho So does genocide
Life sucks sometimes
@Khatharr Please do
 
@KendallFrey really strong comparison
people do a lot of awful stuff to get ahead
 
@Mosho thing is, I hate to see you talking like that, even if you may be right
 
@Mosho Wasn't intended to be a comparison
 
I'm writing a Firefox extension that allows me to r-click a link and send the URL to another device on my local network.
I have the context menu part sorted out, but I'm having trouble sending the data
Right now what I'm doing is creating an XMLHttpRequest and trying to send the link as a blob
 
now, who ordered cats?
 
1:17 AM
but nothing is getting sent according to wireshark
there are no errors reported in the debugger
 
@towc I'm being objective
 
also very direct and with the risk of being offensive and hurtful
 
I wouldn't use my non existent financial and social powers to coerce women into having sex with me
 
although admittedly not to someone in the room
 
@Mosho Though perhaps if you did have those powers you'd change your mind
 
1:19 AM
maybe someone had to do it to be able to pay for the education of their kids. Is it consent when it's the main option you have?
 
No
 
I think there's just too many things in too many scenarios
and it's not worth arguing for a simple yes or no to a general version of them
certainly not by people who haven't done an extensive amount of research on it, like us
 
@KendallFrey and I can't say for sure until I do
you are a product of your circumstances
 
meredith and her 2 X chromosomes are already much more able to answer
 
saying you would never do something under any circumstances is a cliche
 
1:21 AM
but we should barely have any say in it, with the way things are
 
is there a better place for my question?
 
@Khatharr your question is unclear
 
@towc 46, hopefully
 
@Meredith so if a woman chooses to be a prostitute, not coerced by anyone, it isn't consent?
 
@Khatharr the devtools have a Network tab, btw, check it ou
out*
@KendallFrey woops
 
1:23 AM
the what?
 
@Khatharr F12 usually opens the devtools on firefoxo
 
disclaimer: I do not support nor condemn prostitution by saying this
 
okay, let's see
 
I feel like I should have these disclaimers
 
@Mosho yes
 
1:23 AM
@Mosho It's not consent, but then you start getting into marxism
 
@Meredith ok, what if said woman says "yes, I totally give my consent"
 
Still not consent
 
on a notarized legal document
 
once she says "I do this out of joy for the act/love for the person/wanting a child", then that's consent, I'd think
 
(nope)
 
1:25 AM
That's not consent, just waiving your right to sue them
 
The example of prostitution brings out much more broad topics
 
"I do this out of joy of having money"
 
this is so weird
 
@Khatharr google "devtools firefox"
 
yeah, I found it
 
1:25 AM
@Khatharr I'm sorry dude you dont deserve this
 
it's not showing anything happening
 
is the network tab empty?
 
Why did someone become a prostitute? Because they chose it over some other job, or because their society gave them no other good option?
 
yeah
 
make sure to start recording network traffic
 
1:26 AM
@Meredith what if you pay taxes on your income, and operate under a brothel license
 
console.log right before sending the xhr
 
I was using wireshark
 
in, say, germany
 
it's just silently not doing anything
 
see if it ever even hits the sending
 
1:26 AM
There may not be a specific crime, but there can still be a shitty situation that could be improved.
 
are all men who legally go to brothels rapists?
 
I walked through it with the debugger
 
also, do you have some code to show? Maybe you're just creating and opening the xhr, and never sending it
 
it's getting there
sure, should I just post it here?
 
typical xhr looks like this:
 
1:26 AM
function SendLink(link) {
var oReq = new XMLHttpRequest();
oReq.open("POST", "http://192.168.123:4321", true);
var blob = new Blob([link], {type: 'text/plain'});
oReq.send(blob);
}
 
oh
remove the true at the end
 
@Meredith disclaimer: just trying to have a friendly discussion about a loaded subject
 
@Mosho IMO, no because the prostitutes "made the first move" as it were (even if not in a specific instance)
 
you can tap out at any time :P
 
don't remember what it does, but was it making it synchronous?
but looks right otherwise
 
1:27 AM
yeah
 
@KendallFrey so is it consensual?
 
not getting it at the other end, let me start ws again
 
but it's sending it at least
 
@Mosho It's not inherently nonconsensual
 
@Mosho Yeah
 
1:28 AM
oh ffs
the address
 
oh, right
 
@Meredith interesting. what about the other way?
 
that's on you :P
but the network tab should have said something at least
 
Other way as in?
 
errored out, if anything
 
1:29 AM
(women who pay for male prostitutes)
 
that's fixed it
 
If a pimp coerces a woman into prostitution, is the pimp guilty of rape?
 
that was what I was confused about
 
glad to be of help
 
Side note I always type prosititute
 
1:29 AM
there's no errors in the debugger and nothing in the network tab
 
& yes of course
 
shakes fist at mozilla
 
@Khatharr screenshot?
 
of?
 
just network
 
1:30 AM
uploading...
shakes other fist at puush
 
@Meredith I guess it would be very hypocritical to say no
although many do think that
 
@Khatharr 'd you reload the page?
 
hmm?
 
'd = did
 
1:33 AM
that
 
reload?
 
that's the about:debugging page that I sent the post from
 
sounds like a weird setup
 
well, it's working now
 
go to the page you loaded the script from
oh, well then
 
1:34 AM
@Meredith I have other inquiries but I think I'll stop there :P
 
ugh
can I make it Connection: close?
instead of keep-alive
 
@Mosho yay 😃 want a cat?
 
@Mosho Go for it
 
oh
ok
 
@Meredith is a porn actress getting raped every time she's on film?
 
1:36 AM
Exploited is probably a better word
& everyone involved in it would be getting exploited
 
why?
 
Mosho, it's 2017
there is no more consent
 
you could say a developer hired by a company is exploited too
 
for anyone
 
@Meredith quick question: are you religious?
 
1:37 AM
@Mosho Yes, you could say that
No
 
but we are talking about rape and consent
if exploitation is all there is to it, it's not condemning at all
 
You can't really speak for all people.. lots of actresses and actors absolutely love being in the porn industry
and there is a huge amateur market as well
 
Who are we condemning?
 
vegans
 
women having sex without consent due to power imbalance
 
1:39 AM
Traveled back in time to last night
 
well, not who, but what
 
how far back? dinosaurs or bell bottoms?
 
I guess we are condemning men on the other side of that equation
 
Condemning Louis CK because he's a perverted loser.
 
@Khatharr do consider standing down. We're mostly friends here who've been talking to each other for years
 
1:40 AM
I mean they're both being exploited so
 
@Loktar we are well past louis ck :P
 
?
 
@Meredith but you said prostitutes get raped every time and men who go to prostitutes are rapists
lets take exploitation out of the discussion
 
I don't think you can separate prostitution from exploitation
 
disclaimer: I do not support prostitution
 
1:42 AM
It's not rape O.o
 
@Meredith you can't but lets assume everyone gets exploited all around
so there's not much point discussing it
 
if an attribute applies to everything across space and time and is not meta, it either loses meaning, or you raise the bar for what that attribute means
 
but if a bad thing is a fundamental part of some other thing, doesn't that make the superset bad as well?
 
That's basically what marx said
 
aw shit
 
1:46 AM
If exploitation is fundamental to capitalism...
 
well, report me to the commission
but first, watch this sweet timelapse
 
@Meredith exploitation is fundamental to people
 
Not really
 
which is why communism was such a shitstorm
(what china has is not real communism/marxism)
 
streamable.com/yb2hb @rlemon @Loktar @Luggage
 
1:49 AM
It really was just the russians unsurprisingly continuing to fuck their own country up
 
but they tried to practice marxist theory
really hard I would say
so the people themselves were the problem
which is what I said
 
The russians have fucked up capitalism so many times so I don't think the economic model was the problem
 
you're saying other peoples would execute marxism better? they might, but none have as of now that I know of
 
Well, cuba
 
if you set up a system that gives a few people power, the folks who want to abuse it will seek it out
 
1:52 AM
@mosho re what I was trying to do
last weekend
 
@Meredith not communist
 
I figured out whats going on
 
Marxist though
 
more socialist than anything I think
 
int main() {
  char * buf = (char *)malloc(1500);
  while(1) {
    write(STDOUT_FILENO, buf, 1500);
  }
}
^ That gives ~ 1GBps, the node version gave about 110mbps , node sync crashes (which I find weird as it runs out of buffer, but shouldn't the sync implementation not use buffer)
 
1:54 AM
communism is supposed to be like open source government
if that makes sense
you can't run a country without centralized power
 
 
and as we know power corrupts, and people who rise to power are likely more corrupt to begin with
 
Not really, again that's just the russians
 
@ssube is there a way to test throughput of transfer between two interfaces on the same computer ?
anything I have tried just goes through loopback
 
They've pretty much only had corrupt leadership, before, after, and during communism
 
1:56 AM
including $curl -v --interface tap0 --url 169.254.234.111:9615 | pv > /dev/null
 
@Meredith as opposed to cuba?
 
Definitely yeah
 
@ShrekOverflow a bridge?
you could set up netcat in a container and bridge it to the main network
or something with even less overhead
 
(the ip belongs to tap1)
 
@Meredith not sure if srs, cuba has/had rampant corruption
 
1:57 AM
@ssube I don't think this is a bridge
 
right, anything with localhost will either hit a bridge or loopback
 
I just have two virtual interfaces that I am managing the data flow from
 
or the other weird shit you're doing
 
oh ok :P
 
but that's ugly vpn stuff
 
1:58 AM
Not to compare countries but it's nowhere near as bad as russia
 
if you want something to test that's not loopback, the next thing is bridge afaik
 
not to mention cuba being a russian forward base in the cold war
 
I don't fuck with vpns much though, they're just not worth it anymore
 
^ I Agree
 
1:59 AM
they've always been complicated and unstable
 
I am mostly doing this to learn / coolness factor at this point
 
@Meredith they do not have russia's potential for corruption, but it's a corrupt country all the same
 
i can test from one pc to another
 
with SDN, you can just hop into a network or peer yourself at random
 
@Mosho Kinda seems like moving the goalposts to me
 
1:59 AM
but that adds up the WebRTC cost
and can't write test-cases which involve firing a second machine
 
@Meredith come on, I don't have to justify the claim "cuba is run by a corrupt state"
it's not the most corrupt country in the world
 
It's in the middle of the pack
 
ok, it's not africa-corrupt
or russia-corrupt
it's bulgaria-corrupt
 
printed from the set you linked
 
Yeah, on par with other countries that are trying to leave russian influence
 
2:05 AM
I wouldn't call it a successful execution of marxism/communism
 
In cuba?
 
yeah
 
They definitely got the marxism part right
Cuba was like really racist before communism
 
there is an insane gap between the rich and poor in cuba
like other similar countries
how is that marxism
 
I mean, it's a much smaller gap than america
 
2:09 AM
america is capitalism central
though I don't even know if that's true
or how to measure it
the average cuban is dirt poor
 
Probably like UAE or something
 
like nothing you would see in the states
 
Compare to dom rep or something like that
 
UAE is an absolute monarchy
totally different beast
 
Especially factoring in tourism
 
2:22 AM
@rlemon that's sweet, came out really well
 
2:51 AM
@rlemon Neat, can you send me the coin template?
 
3:42 AM
I believe signing a document would be legalized consent for sure?
That is how at least 1 fraternity I know did it.
 
ayyy down to one test failing
Oh and it's because of a bug in not-my-code
 
@Loktar it can ruin a lot of potential job prospects. What to be a teacher? nope. army? not if they find out. politician? nope. Nope not a good idea. Where do you get the idea that they love it.
 
?
 
2 hours ago, by Loktar
You can't really speak for all people.. lots of actresses and actors absolutely love being in the porn industry
 
Where do I get the idea porn stars love to be in pornography?
idk look up any on twitter
you live in a bubble if you think they all hate it and are ashamed
there are conventions many go to to see their fans
 
3:54 AM
for everyone that says yes I guarantee there is 1 that would encourage you not to. It isn't a long term permanent job especially for females.
 
sure people regret lots of things, that wasn't the argument
 
There are even youtuber porn stars
though not simultaneously for obvious reasons
 
lol
 
@William +1 points if his real last name is Bean
 
4:59 AM
Hello folks, anyone doing polymer 1.x here...? Whats {{item::input}} stand for in the following plunk: plnkr.co/edit/83vIw7guAq2bgWy4Bqwb?p=info (decision-table.html) ?
I have a hunch it ain't valid?
 
 
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7:35 AM
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7:48 AM
,
 
8:13 AM
Anyone using Google's app engine here? Do they allow for indefinitely free hosting with the usual quota constraints?
Or is it like one month free trial post which they charge you?
 
 
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11:53 AM
> The theory behind the one-meal-a-day diet is that you only eat one meal per day
great theory
 
12:07 PM
Git is a distributed version control system. Microsoft "virtualized" it so that the client doesn't actually pull down the history. So... they reinvented centralized version control? I mean, ok, I guess, but this is going to confuse people even more.
 
12:35 PM
huh
in 2004, 230,000 people died in a tsunami
I have 0 recollection of it
 
That was the one that hit Indonesia so hard, right?
 
yeah
lol
EA pulled microtransactions
 
that shitstorm was hilarious
they'll probably add them in at a later point again and the outcry won't be anywhere near as big as this time, and they'll get away with it
as long as people keep buying games with a microtransaction system, nothing will change
 

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