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7:00 PM
the people on fb I care about are the same people whose phone numbers I have.
if you like fb, cool. I just don't get peoples obligation to have an account
 
because people think you're weird if you don't. I'm too insecure to let that happen.
 
thankfully if you don't have a fb account you don't see them freaking out tho
 
The only political person I have on facebook is Jason; I mostly just ignore his political posts
 
it's a win/win
 
7:01 PM
I have an account so people post there on my birthday instead of bothering me directly
 
@ndugger Who is Jason, is this a dank in-joke that I'm missing for the JS room?
 
@SterlingArcher sounds plausible
 
@KendallFrey omg
 
@hilli_micha jason is loktar
 
7:02 PM
@BadgerCat why :(
 
Thank you for clearing that up. You're pretty alright.
 
!!s/y/y,$/
 
@rlemon Thank y,ou for clearing that up. You're pretty alright. (source)
@rlemon Thank y,$ou for clearing that up. You're pretty alright. (source)
 
7:04 PM
dammit
I quick edited the wrong part
I'm done
:(
 
@rlemon NEAT!
 
lol
 
I don't think I'm getting the call today :(
 
call 911
 
I hate waiting for a call that's either going to be really good or really bad
 
7:09 PM
@SterlingArcher call them and demand a decision to expedite the process
 
I hate getting calls, when people try to talk to me, it's like "Couldn't you do this over email?"
 
lol fuck no
 
@SterlingArcher try waiting on a letter
 
how up and start working
 
😬
 
7:09 PM
I'm already probably asking for too much money xD
 
Even when I call to order pizza. "Can I just like, email you? I don't want to install your stupid app."
 
it shows work ethic and good security skills
 
Recruiter Email: Hey Nick, any interest here? (job description text...)
My Response: No
 
Recruiter Email: Hey Steve, ...
My Response: my name isn't steve...
^ true story
 
7:10 PM
Should I respond to recruiter emails if I'm not in the job hunt?
 
the "Software Engineer in Test" ones are my favorite
 
Recruiter Email: WANT SUM COLDFUSION?
My Response: you mean fuk?
 
I get like 2 or 3 a day and I feel like a dick not responding but it's a lot of effort to respond to each one
 
> We're looking for a senior software engineer in test with a high salary of $35k
 
@SterlingArcher for real? because that would be great
 
7:11 PM
> we're looking for ninja rockstars with more than 5 years experience with React 16
 
@Vap0r I don't respond to 99%+ of recruiter emals; only when I can get in a smartass response
 
Unpaid Software Engineering Intern Program: 15 years nodejs experience required
 
We also need you to work 80 hours a week because we are totally the next Apple, you don't understand.
 
@ndugger ok that makes me feel better. Professionally how well off are you though?
What do you do for work currently?
 
@Vap0r they're spam, mark them as spam
 
7:12 PM
Did I tell you guys SNC is doing an intern program and paying them double minimum wage?
 
get those recruiters on the blacklists
 
@ssube are they though? I technically sign up for half of them.
 
Expected Salary: we have a pinball machine in the office, you must provide your own quarters. depending on how active the machine is dictates your wages.
 
@ssube oh you're one of the recruiter haters right?
 
Is there a word for double minimum?
 
7:13 PM
@Vap0r oh, then don't
I've never signed up for one and I get an email or two every day
so I do mark them as spam
 
@Vap0r I'm very well off in my career; I work for Target right now
 
I got sweet talked into using a recruiter again
 
I'm a cashier
 
@ssube by technically I mean half of them are from linkedin, the other half are from putting my resume on indeed or dice or one of the other meta-search and resume hosting sites
@ndugger NOICE!
 
I would love programming a lot more if I was a cashier at Target for a living
 
@Vap0r I'm not a cashier, you mong
 
I'd love programming more if I was better at it
 
or if you were worse
 
7:15 PM
@ndugger why would you do that?
 
Actually no
I wish I was more inventive
 
you're in the bad spot
 
I am too!
 
good enough to know you suck
 
I'd love to pursue a product, but I'm not smart enough to think of inventions
 
7:15 PM
I worked on a C++ program, a powerbasic program, a cobol program, and an xsl transformation today.

I'd enjoy programming more if I wasn't stuck in 1975
 
yea, I'm in that curve where I know enough to know I am better than the people whose questions I answer, but also enough to know I know nothing
 
or services
 
@SterlingArcher I'll give you a free one
 
@rlemon that's where I'm at
 
You know those baby collars?
 
7:16 PM
what
no
 
Do those but with bluetooth fences of some sort that when they lose their signals your phone or a receiver goes off
 
who the fuck puts a collar on a baby
 
@SterlingArcher leash, really
 
I put a leash on a baby
 
maybe toddler is the right word
 
7:16 PM
@FlorianMargaine what does "d'ici" mean
 
I mean, babies crawl on all fours, they're primed for collar/leash.
 
Anyways, that's the idea ^ but you do it with bluetooth, loss of signal and you get a warning.
 
I had an idea a while back about setting up a high ping frequency monitor that will map out your home and let you know where your tag is in real time
(baby, dog, cat, etc)
Like a precise home map
 
That way the parent doesn't have to worry about looking like a bad parent by needing a leash
 
7:17 PM
read this question, start to finish
 
@SterlingArcher exists
 
-3
Q: JPanel Errors in Swing

NIcholas Rozendaalwhats wrong with my code? the second window doesnt show anything, an it is suppposed to show a jlabel and some text and other stuff.i cannot figure it out. public class drivethrough { //main method public static void main(String[] args) { JFrame main = new JFrame("m...

 
@Mosho this is why I don't think of things
god dammit
 
but maybe not in a consumer solution
you have plenty of trackers
with apps
and I know of 1 company that does an actual map
but it's for security, emergency services etc.
 
@SterlingArcher your welcome
 
user1596138
7:18 PM
@SterlingArcher Isn't that a dumpster hauler
 
@Jhoverit whatever it is, it's great for bikes
@Mosho I know a company that does 4D emergency services software
 
user1596138
True dat. We made one last year here well I helped my buddy make some for work
 
user1596138
From blueprints. Was a cool experience
 
this company does really cool shit, but they turned me down because I didn't have enough years
despite "we were very impressed with his interview" :(
 
7:20 PM
@SterlingArcher nvm my idea has already been done: amazon.com/Child-Safety-Electronic-Leash-Guard/dp/B00DJTMDIG
 
@Vap0r does it tell you which direction to run?
 
@SterlingArcher no, and that's something you could do
 
I've already done bearing calculations from signal strengths, I could do that
but idk if using that knowledge would breach my NDA
or non-compete sorry
 
@SterlingArcher and the tech isn't too tough. From what it looks like they use an RF receiver, which seems a lot more suited to this than bluetooth honestly
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher How many years did they want
 
user7480455
7:22 PM
your knowledge is yours
 
not if you signed over a NDA
 
@007 not how it works in non-compete/NDAs
 
^
 
user7480455
not sure what that means
 
@007 Don't talk shit about legal contracts
 
7:22 PM
@Jhoverit they didn't say, just that despite my proven skills, my years worked is too risky to label me a senior engineer
 
user7480455
but a piece of paper is a piece of paper
 
my longest non-compete was 7 years
couldn't work in elearning for a while after d2l
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher How many years you got
 
just over 4 professional, 7 total
 
@007 When you work for a company, a lot of times, you sign a contract that says you won't take the info/trade secrets from that company to another one and share it.
 
7:23 PM
@rlemon that seems like it would be unenforceable
 
@007 and jail is jail
 
user1596138
What
 
user1596138
I have more than you?!
 
Fighting it is kinda pointless though
 
@Vap0r they could sue
 
7:23 PM
Yeah man I didn't start coding until I was like 19
 
and have grounds to win
 
user1596138
I started 17 lol
 
user1596138
Professionally, full time
 
user7480455
you dont take there stuff
 
13 or maybe 12
 
7:24 PM
didn't start professionally until 20
 
17 fulltime
 
@007 go look at what a non-compete clause is
 
user7480455
but you cant not use what you know
 
I didn't know what programming was until 19 either
 
@rlemon I remember some piece of news mentioning that long non-competes like that have failed on challenge because it effectively barred some in Silicone Valley from upward progression if their company wanted to play hardball
 
user1596138
7:24 PM
@rlemon Or just read "No" "Compete"
 
@SterlingArcher you're special
 
@007 the algorithm I used to calculate was proprietary information
 
user1596138
Ahh no I was 18
 
Also remember similar news regarding NDA's after a certain period being unenforceable if it's too the point that most of the "private" technology is common industry knowledge at that point
 
Which means I can't use it, even though I know it
 
user1596138
7:24 PM
That's why I'm like right at 5
 
user1596138
Right?
 
my first taxed programming job was 15
 
user1596138
Man I don't even know. I think May is 6!
 
wait, did almost none of us go to uni?
 
i went to a community college,
 
7:25 PM
I'm a college boy
 
but didn't get a paper from it
 
I worked for an elearning company that wrote software for unis
 
I went to uni but failed after 2 semesters cause drugs
 
@KevinB you can work fulltime in a community college?
 
does that count?
 
7:25 PM
I got a paper but they spelled my state wrong
 
user7480455
gosh I went to university long time ago
 
user1596138
Wow yea man I am going on 6 years in May
 
@rlemon might as well
 
@rlemon Did you work for Pearson? Because FUCK their online tools.
 
Then I went into professional field, and went back to a 2 year college a couple years back
 
user7480455
7:25 PM
but by all means follow your rules
 
i mean.. i worked full time at a lumber yard through college, i don't understand your question
 
@hilli_micha desire 2 learn
 
They spelled Virgina instead of Virginia
 
user1596138
I got promoed to Senior so assuming I'll just have that title wherever else, 6 seems pretty strong
 
@007 not his rules dude, it's the freakin' law.
 
7:26 PM
I started programming in the army and when I got out I had negative experience
had to spend time unlearning that shit
 
user1596138
Got dude. That means I haven't worked a weekend in over 5 years ;P
 
user7480455
but programming is such a binary thing.. I am sure you can use what you know if the process requires it.
 
@SterlingArcher 4 years wasted, huh?
 
@towc no way, I got laid in college
Unless you mean I was wasted for 4 years
 
I also meant wasted on booze
 
7:26 PM
then yes
 
yeah ;)
 
@towc I went to a community college while working. I did 33 credit hours per semester average. No way I could've worked full-time though. And personally, other than the piece of paper which has value to employers, it's nothing more than a cumbersome and costly "check-mark" for employers
 
@007 you're completely wrong here. if you've signed a no-compete or nda you're legally binded to follow it or get sued. in the USA that might even be jail time
 
user7480455
ok rlemon
 
that could be career ending
 
7:27 PM
jail time! jail time! jail time!
 
user7480455
yeah where I am from that is not an issue
 
user1596138
@007 Usually a non-compete is more like not using any knowledge you gained from the first employer for the benefit of anyone else
 
soviet russia?
 
user1596138
You as a programmer are not competing simply by working in the same industry
 
omg 007 was a nazi scientist
 
user7480455
7:28 PM
that is beyond unrealistic
 
user7480455
to expect such a thing it would seem
 
user1596138
But if you carried insider knowledge from one to the other you are. That's my understanding of most NCs including my own
 
user7480455
if I build an airplane wing
 
my NC was no elearning for X years period. because I knew secrets.
 
user7480455
I can not build the same wing for another entity
 
user7480455
7:28 PM
but I can still build a wing
 
If you build an airplane wing using somebody else's blueprints it's illegal
 
user1596138
You cannot build airplane wings for someone else. You developed knowledge and expertise to do so while working under another company.
 
If you come up with your own blueprints, it's fine
 
@SterlingArcher depends.
probably not
 
user7480455
that is whay i typed sterling
 
user1596138
7:29 PM
@SterlingArcher Not if they are based off of information he would otherwise not have if not for his previous job
 
^
 
user1596138
Even concepts
 
non-compete means you can't even get hired in the first place
 
@Jhoverit to an extent, absolutely
 
@007, your analogy is bad, the better apt comparison is like McDonalds Big Mac sauce. Yes, you can go anywhere and make a hamburger, but only McDonalds is able to make that particular sauce, it's a trade secret.
 
7:29 PM
they wanna make sure only they benefit from you
no one else.
 
@007 if you build an airplane wing, the principle that allows for lift can be brought to another company, but the knowledge that you gained at, say (for instance) Boeing that a certain dove-tail design increases lift by 17% could not be used at a new company develop or innovate from
 
But like, since SNC taught me how orbit works, I can apply my knowledge of orbit elsewhere
 
user1596138
It's not really about making wings lmao more like engineering/designing them.
 
user7480455
my point is that there are certain elements that are required regardless of what you signed
 
user1596138
You can go turn wrenches for a competitor all day. It's an intellectual thing
 
7:30 PM
I just can't apply SNC information or methods of orbit
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher isn't even allowed to play KSP now
 
lmao shit
 
user7480455
that wing is an interesting case study
 
user7480455
but that is off topic
 
@007 yes and those elements would be considered common industry knowledge
 
7:30 PM
!!afk early ride home
 
and therefore would be non-binding for an NDA
 
user7480455
well americans have their rules
 
user1596138
What Vapor said. If it's common knowledge it's absolutely fair game. If it's specific knowledge from a corp or position no way
 
user7480455
its interesting to know about how it all works
 
user1596138
That's how our patent stuff works too mostly
 
7:31 PM
so I signed a NC that I wouldn't work for another LMS company, that doesn't mean I cannot apply my knowledge to any programming. it means I cannot apply my knowledge for a competing LMS company.
and I'm like 90% sure the UK has the exact same system
you'd know if you were older
 
user1596138
No not really. But if you understand both already you know what I meant lol
 
;)
 
Back in '75 we shared code on papayrus
 
@Jhoverit lol you just agreed with me bruv
 
user1596138
You said a true thing. What gives
 
7:32 PM
that's rare like mr. clean with hair
 
user1596138
I just got a haircut
 
user7480455
you know papyrus was a real programming firm back in the the 90's
 
it's a real font to this day
 
that feeling is too good
 
user1596138
@Vap0r Okay Wayne
 
user7480455
7:33 PM
one of my programmers did some art designed for them back in '92
 
hahahaha
 
Did 007 just meme on me?
 
Sorry I love older wayne
 
back in '45 I was lecturing about design at the university of dublin
 
can we make a rule that he's only allowed one 'back in' a day?
 
user7480455
7:33 PM
i did nothing to you i dont know what a me me is
 
user1596138
@Vap0r I'm just amazed someone as rat trap and trashy as him is still alive
 
user7480455
but no on disrespect if I did
 
only one? I'm ok with 3 or so
 
user1596138
I met him tho
 
nahh, then we have to keep count. one is easier
 
user1596138
7:34 PM
In a mall
 
that's true
I do not like counting
 
I could make cap do it
but that's work..
 
@Jhoverit you met him? That's sick! And from what I've heard his rat trap trashy ways are catching up and he can't stop having seizures
 
user1596138
I saw that :/.
 
too many pills will do that to you
 
7:35 PM
Yeah what is that? Benzo withdrawal?
 
user1596138
We have had the seizure discussion here already lol. Much sympathy
 
I know they tried to blame it on the syrup, but I didn't think opiates did that....
 
idk, but a buddy of mine enjoyed his meds in college and has had one minor stroke and some seizures related to it
 
It could be the Promethazine cause I know very little about that
 
not sure what he was into exactly
 
7:36 PM
I'm kinda scared
If I've been drug free for 3 years and only did them for about 3 years I should be good, right?
 
user1596138
@Vap0r Because you know very little about the sizzurp?
 
@Vap0r not all drugs have the same side effects
 
@Jhoverit I never liked the pure prometh and would always spring for the codeine or prometh/codeine mixes cause I love opiates
 
user1596138
I too use screws as nails when I hate myself
 
7:38 PM
watch till the end :P
 
I am no scientists
 
gotcha
 
you need to stop doing drugs. look at me! I'm high on life! and weed. lots of weed.
 
Weed certainly helps.
 
doc wanted me to take some opiates.
I turned that shit right down
 
7:39 PM
good
 
don't need that monkey on my back
 
Yeah, I won't do opiates again..I mentioned here before about how the hardest a drug has EVER hit me was opiates.
 
I know if I did them (even prescribed) I'd like them. so fuck that
 
user1596138
@rlemon Like what
 
@Jhoverit can't remember the name, for anxiety attacks
 
7:40 PM
But that's enough me time for now
 
user1596138
I love when they give me them and never have issues when I'm out
 
> opiates for... anxiety
 
she thought I had an anxiety disorder so instantly jumped on the opiates train
 
wow that doc is super abusive
 
gave me ten pills and a script for more
 
user1596138
7:41 PM
@rlemon You mean benzos
 
user1596138
Xans or something lol
 
not the name on the bottle, but probably similar.
 
@Jhoverit what is your major
 
she straight up told me they were opiates tho
 
user1596138
No benzos meaning the category
 
7:41 PM
xans are even worse IMO, though they seem less addicting
 
ahh, yea idk. don't touch that shit
 
user1596138
@William I was homeschooled K-12 never sat in a class room. What are you asking me?
 
@Vap0r yea, she's terrible.
I still might lawyer up for other things
went to her with vertigo, 3 months later and I still don't have a drivers license.
 
I have to admit, weed is way more pleasurable overall than opiates, mainly because i know I don't have to deal with the bullshit afterwards.
 
@Jhoverit thought you were talking about college. You said 6 years thought you meant 6 years in college. It will take me 5 partly because I have only been taking 4 classes at a time
 
user7480455
7:43 PM
lol oh my
 
@rlemon woooow
 
yea
 
user1596138
@William Oh I am going on 6 years of professional developer experience is what I meant.
 
it's not fun
vertigo went away a week later. I'm still fucked tho
 
@rlemon but it's totally cool if you're high af
 
7:43 PM
@Jhoverit lol yeah that's dangerous used to love drinking on them cause the blackouts until I woke up and we couldn't figure out where our buddy was
 
user7480455
are you trying all these things on your company owned network ??
 
user7480455
not the best choices mate
 
the fuck are you talking about ?
 
sounds like a stellar doc, one of the west virginia-style ones
 
user1596138
@Vap0r I didn't drink. I didn't smoke. I did nothing. Just 1 full bar and then trashed a wheel, 2 tires, my health, my psychey
 
7:44 PM
^^^
If you can get me a company that supplies weed, I'll quit my job tomorrow.
 
user1596138
Alright guess I'll be honest
 
Might as well
 
user1596138
Blacked out again
 
Oh wow I never have done triple Cs
 
user1596138
No it's not Cs
 
user1596138
7:46 PM
At all lol fuck that
 
there is a woodpecker trying to get into my house trying to decide what to do
 
Oh it's not DXM?
 
aerosol and a lighter
 
user1596138
So yea I had my buddys girlfriend come over only person available at 6am to just freaking calm me down enough to survive lmao
 
the woodpecker is on the 2nd floor
 
user1596138
7:47 PM
ANd she was at my house for I swear 12 hours taking care of me lmao
 
user1596138
I'm a strong psychey. I can hold my own. But not that day.
 
user1596138
@Vap0r DXM isn't triple Cs
 
@Jhoverit you sure about that? I'm getting competing info on that
and remember differently
 
user1596138
Maybe I'm wrong tbh it's not important to me
 
user1596138
Fuck that shit haha I get Colorado buzzed at the very most. Don't even drink.
 
7:48 PM
@Vap0r that's a bit specific, dontcha think
 
@Flameofudun Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
especially with the "I did" part
when it was probably your friend
 
user1596138
It was someone he met
 
user1596138
Er wait hows that one go
 
user1596138
7:49 PM
SOmeone who isn't him lol
 
Yeah used to be to me, but that was just cause I was young, impressionable, and was revolting against "the system"
SWIM
lol
 
user1596138
Kratom is legal here and similar to opiates, I do that in small doses
 
> I found it on the street and I'm looking for a public trash receptacle
 
Weed is illegal here and I avoid it at all costs. I avoid it in my room, on the beach. Sometimes I'll even avoid it at the top of the parking garage to the local casino
 
@Jhoverit so this girl that I met at a show once thought you could treat heroin withdrawal with that
 
user1596138
7:51 PM
@ssube You can
 
to the point of trying to encourage a friend of hers to get rid of the prescription opiate withdrawal stuff and switch
 
user1596138
That's its legitimate use
 
@ssube there are a couple of tangentially related studies that suggest it helps
 
I wanted to know what the difference is between regular Nodejs and Nodejs when typescript is used?
 
you can't just switch to it, though
 
user1596138
7:51 PM
Ohhhh.... No. Because Kratom in itself is also addicting
 
ssube that's legitimate in some instances too, suboxone is worse than heroin
 
user1596138
Well to an extent you can. It triggers the same receptors
 
anyone watch nathan for you?
 
user1596138
If you're not like sweat yourself to death withdrawn it works but yea if they needed medical intervention already no way
 
@Vap0r it can be
@Jhoverit it was at that point and she was like "no, use the plants"
 
7:52 PM
ssube yeah sorry, that's really anecdotal, but for people with addictive personality I've seen it hold true more often than not
 
user1596138
Yea no. Fuck that.
 
damn near killed them
 
user1596138
The Kratom gets you high....
 
user1596138
WHich is not what you need during opiate withdrawals lmao
 
user1596138
They just need to be survivable lol
 
7:53 PM
Anyways, good discussion. Mod should clean this whole discussion up, or change the chatroom to "drugs"
 
Yeah its kind of weird how hooked people can get onto things like Suboxone and Methidone and shit.
 
for my future employment's sake I hope the former lol
 
I don't get the low efficacy plant-based stuff, tbh
 
!!afk working hopefully
 
user1596138
@ssube what you mean?
 
7:54 PM
@hilli_micha considering how many of those people were already addicts, I'm not surprised they can transfer easily
 
user1596138
Kratom it ridiculous in it's potential to fuck you up lol. Tbh
 
@Jhoverit kratom, even mushrooms to some extent
all the teas and leaves and hippy stuff
 
user1596138
@ssube You need to get the right kind. There are lots of varieties
 
you can concentrate them and go nuts, but why?
 
Maybe so, never been addicted myself; but I know I have a personality ripe for it if I allowed it. So I avoid things I know I would just fail at controlling
 
user1596138
7:54 PM
It legitimately feels like you're on opiate pain pills @ssube
 
user1596138
No not with concentrating lol
 
user1596138
Just take 2gs of powdered leaf
 
it's such a non-specific and uncontrollable effect compared to lab stuff
 
user1596138
It's pretty specific
 
user1596138
Lower the dose the more of a stimulant it is
 
user1596138
7:55 PM
Once you cross a certain threshhold it becomes sedating
 
there's a lot more "you trip this way, I trip that way" with plants than with other stuff
 
user1596138
But yea the effects in the end are never going to straight up kick your ass or anything. Unless you mean puke
 
that's what I mean by non-specific
 
user1596138
@ssube I believe honestly it's more about how you take it than what it objectively makes you feel like
 
some of the newer designer stuff is very "it will do this, for this long, and you will feel this way"
 
user1596138
7:56 PM
I can have a beer next to someone else who has the same beer, and react 100% differently
 
user1596138
Same with weed. Same with prescription rugs.
 
@Jhoverit that's another layer that is proven, afaik
drinking at work gets you more drunk, and all
and that will happen with anything
 
user1596138
Yea that stuff. It's always sibjective
 
I just think with natural stuff you have two subjective/variable layers, if that makes sense
 
user1596138
I haven't spent much thought on how others feel on these things because it seems like something inherently unknowable
 
user1596138
7:57 PM
@ssube I take your point.
 
If a user has "Use DOM storage" turned off in IE, using the client cache is basically nixed. is there an alternative to use when the cache isn't available?
 
@Bardicer cookies?
 
user1596138
I am going to dose some Kratom tonight and watch super hero movies lol
 
user1596138
!!afk bailing on work
 
was hoping for something besides cookies, but i guess that's our best fallback
 
7:59 PM
they're safe and simple
not good for large amounts of data
 

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