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2:00 PM
So like Facebook but older?
 
the OG social network
omg so close to coughing up coffee on my laptop
went down the wrong pipe
 
Quick! Blog about it!
 
legit question: why do people use chrome?
 
because its fast
 
Before the moment passes
 
2:03 PM
it's because google teels them?
@KamilSolecki yes, and memory leaking
like if it was made with Java
 
well firefox is slow and less memory leaking
 
good dev tools, good ui, fast enough for everything I do, all my extensions work.
 
so choose the one you prefer
I take speed > memory consumption
 
@rlemon same as firefox xD
 
not in my opinion.
 
2:04 PM
but I'm asking about peasants
 
yeah, dev tools are a +
 
not developers
 
wow, different people like different things?
 
@KamilSolecki same
 
Holy fucking shit
 
2:04 PM
like, why do they use it
 
Someone call the media they have to know
 
that's why I asked if it's because google.com tells them
 
it's amazing to me that as many people use chrome as they do. I'd have assumed most people would never switch from the browser that came with the OS
but here we are.
the masses have spoken
 
yeah because you know, google tells them to change
 
@Neoares It's because people tell them to do so because all others browsers suck
 
2:06 PM
and everybody loves google
 
@Neoares desktop memory is dirt cheap
 
noice
 
how do you think Java got so far
 
They use it because someone (we) told them to use a real browser, not that shit from Microsoft or Apple
 
And every developer recommends that they use Chrome, because the developer uses Chrome
 
2:06 PM
@Neoares Im not really sure what kind of answer do you expect. If you mean, why do people use chrome over x non-system browser, its because of better marketing. Simple as that
 
is safari shit tho? I thought they were pretty fast and standards compliant
 
safari is actually good
 
I can't say first hand tho
 
fast, usually, complaint, no
 
@KamilSolecki yes that's the answer I was expecting
 
2:07 PM
Not the Safari talk again :P
 
safari has been falling behind since chrome forked off
 
I know safari mobile sucks.
 
fuck
 
but haven't used safari desktop in years.
 
@KamilSolecki He's not looking for an answer, he's looking for a place to say "I don't like google I like firefox"
 
2:07 PM
dunno how safari works with deving tho
 
losing that contributor hurt them
 
close the safari shit closet
 
@Zirak I am aware, sadly
 
the original question was about chrome :D
 
@rlemon To be more specific: the desktop safari seems to be ok, but the iOS version really sucks
 
2:08 PM
@Neoares that wasn't a question, it was one of the classic debate topics
 
FF doesn't compel me to change from what I have and like. that's why I use chrome
 
@ssube well of course
 
"hey guys, do you use tabs or spaces?" isn't a real question either
 
also, chromes' syncronization is a big +
 
you use your tabs, I'll make my money
 
2:09 PM
I use tabs but I let my IDE to change it to spaces
 
inb4 nsa
 
since that way I press less keys
 
!!tell ssube cry
 
imagine how much that could have been if you used spaces
a whole nother bill or two
 
2:10 PM
@Neoares We're not talking about the keys on your keyboard, doofus
 
I specifically include \t in my strings
 
@KendallFrey but then why would someone use tabs
 
function foo() {
\treturn 123;
}
I like it
 
nice, innit
 
Anyone that actually indents with their spacebar deserves to have the spacebar inserted fully into some orifice of their body.
5
 
2:11 PM
@Neoares because then each dev can set their own interpretation of the tab
be it 2 or 4 or 13 spaces, visually
 
@Neoares to feed the chaos
 
@KendallFrey clack clack clack clack
 
@Mosho that's what I hate about it
 
@KendallFrey now you're talking about keyboard
 
@littlepootis In what possible sense is that a bad thing?
 
2:12 PM
@KendallFrey my spacebar is ribbed D:
 
@Neoares reread his comments
 
maybe they knew this would happen
 
@ssube see what you fucking did? you can't even mention spaces vs tabs in passing without this happening.
:D
 
@KendallFrey what about posting code on here? Don't you have to 4 space?
 
@rlemon :(
 
2:13 PM
@Vap0r That's the fixed font syntax, you can still use tabs or spaces
 
Why not spaces?
 
why not tabs?
 
why not both?
 
if that's your best argument then it's easily turned against you
 
Well if a tab is 4 spaces it seems like a pointless abstraction
 
2:14 PM
2 mins ago, by Mosho
@Neoares because then each dev can set their own interpretation of the tab
 
a tab isn't 4 spaces
it's a tab
you can choose to view it as 4 space widths
 
@rlemon I never use my best argument I save those for the geniuses in the PHP room
 
or any space widths you like
 
Wait so you have tabular characters or 4 space characters when you press tab in your IDE?
 
tab
shut up luggage
 
2:14 PM
Isn't that not cross platform?
 
wat
 
Some type of encoding used by default or somethin
 
no
that's made up
 
Like ANSI vs UTF8 or something? I remember using tabs in notepad then opening the code in linux on an occassion and all my tabs were gone or something to that effect
 
8 spaces is default, @Vap0r
 
2:15 PM
nope, tab is a control character
 
tabs are 8 spaces wide by default
 
it works everywhere
 
s/default/common/
 
my keyboard doesnt have tab so my windows might not as well - some microsoft dev, circa 1861
 
and if you want to ensure cross-platform tab widths, you do 8 spaces
 
2:16 PM
there is no default space-width for tabs
 
@towc duh I always double the standard whitespace paddings in any language I write
 
1. Tab width and thus indentation level can be adjusted per developer preference.
2. Tabs for indentation are better supported in most editors, in that spaces for indentation are still handled individually when typing.
3. Spaces take slightly more disk space/bandwidth.
 
8 space tabs is a really good way to get me to never indent anything
and never have namespaces, or classes
or if statements
 
8 space tabs means you never go more than two levels deep
 
or enums
 
2:16 PM
@KendallFrey most editors fix 1 and 2
 
could be useful
 
tabs make shit messy when people try to align
 
only if you're doing fancy alignment
and even then, put in a rule in your ide for that
 
well, vim's default tab width is 8, and I think it's the same for chrome's view-source
 
that's your own code vanity
 
2:17 PM
any alignment
 
@ssube I've never heard of an editor even trying to fix #1, and I've never used an editor that fully handled #2.
 
module Foo
        class Bar
                def initialization
                end
        end
end
Not that great in ruby
God knows if you have another module
 
@KendallFrey vscode is pretty configurable for tabbing
 
I'd need to get another monitor
 
@littlepootis You still use spaces for alignment, but that's not indentation.
 
2:18 PM
I think it covers all of that
 
@Cereal well, I think this is what people used to have in fortran and cobol and similar
 
module
    Foo
        class
            Bar
 
@towc Please dont start the linux command line editor discussions
 
Do like that for best results
 
@ssube Can it remove 4 spaces with a single backspace?
 
2:18 PM
@towc why do you think that?
 
It's called step indentation
 
@KendallFrey yep
 
@chade_ please tell me how to live my life
 
oh nice
 
or 2 or 8 or a tabstop
 
2:18 PM
HAMMERTIME!
 
@towc I program in cobol everyday, definitely don't use 8spaces for anything
 
@KendallFrey ye thats the whole idea its nice
 
whatever you have the tab size set to
 
@chade_ he's just being sarcastic... he comes to JS to have people tell him how to live his life
 
@KendallFrey then you'd be using both. Which makes things messy.
 
2:19 PM
You have a max workable column space of 65 columns, so 8 spaces would just not work lol
 
@ssube because they programmed in ttys originally, right? And historically that's also 8-width tabs? I might be wrong on that last one
 
WhyshouldIusespacesatall?
 
vim does "smart alignment" with spaces.
 
 
Theyjusttakeupdiskspace
 
2:19 PM
> used to have
 
@KendallFrey backspace and tab go back/forward one rule
 
look at that noise
all those wasted spaces
 
@Vap0r good to know :D kappa
 
@towc Cobol has had column restriction since it's inception
 
sexy tabs
 
2:20 PM
@littlepootis Everyone that uses tabs for indentation uses spaces for token separators. It's not using both that's the problem. It's inconsistently using both for the same purpose.
 
If you use tabs for indentation, and spaces for alignment, it's not going to work.
 
@rlemon I just set up a storage array last night, so I really dgaf :P
 
@littlepootis Why not?
 
@Cereal also, damn, cobol every day? What do you do?
 
my indentation is my alignment
 
2:20 PM
@littlepootis never mix them
 
Do you mean something by alignment other than what I think of?
 
Can	I	use	tabs	instead	of	spaces	for	writing?
 
@towc Contemplate suicide
 
I'm referring to vim's alignment.
 
I'll work in whatever the file is already using, but I will never ever mix them
 
2:21 PM
 
@Cereal I see
 
if you mix tabs and spaces, you deserve to have your fingers chopped off
 
@littlepootis I don't use vim, idk what that is
 
Achieve enlightenment: Let your editor indent for you
 
foo({ bar:   value1
      baz:   value2
    });
@littlepootis you mean alignment shit like this right?
 
2:21 PM
@towc We have a lab management software for eye glass labs, it's written in cobol
 
silly fancy shit
 
So maintenance, new programs here and there
 
Zirak is right, right-click VScode, Format Code. It's beautiful
 
@Zirak those missing braces though
 
@Vap0r If you want to annoy people over time, then yes ;D
 
2:21 PM
@Vap0r use prettier with vim
 
I copy everything into jsfiddle and hit cleanup before I commit it
 
@towc Should I use cygwin to run vim, or just use windows 10 native ssh client to connect into a *nix box and use vim?
 
(ohh god, I wish that was 100% untrue, but it isn't)
 
@chade_ I mean....
 
2:22 PM
@BenFortune holy shit for some reason I don't see that as as bad of an idea
 
I set vscode to do some basic cleanup when I save and lint to complain otherwise
 
@KendallFrey One day you'll wake up tied to the bed with candle wax dripping on your exposed, partially waxed chest hairs (or lack thereof)
 
if I can get the editor to do it for me
 
I simply don't indent. It's a clear sign of code that is too complex and needs to be simplified
 
AGAIN I wouldn't consider doing it for reals
but might be interesting
 
2:23 PM
@towc that's because you're a bad person
and not in the fun way
 
@Vap0r do both recursively 10 times
 
function foo() {
;;;;return 123;
}
@towc here yo go.
 
No, haha. When you press the tab key on a line with non-whitespace characters preceding the cursor, it aligns itself to the next cursor position whose modulo [your tabstop] == 0.
 
new coding style.
 
2:24 PM
@rlemon r u a profet?
 
4 spaces > 2 spaces
Unless html
 
@Vap0r no, still just a amateur fet.
 
Hello
 
@KamilSolecki divide by spaces. 4 > 2. It checks out
 
If you set vim up to use tabs, it'd insert tabs isntead of spaces when you press tab.
 
2:25 PM
set tabstop=2
set softtabstop=0 expandtab
set shiftwidth=2
set smarttab
 
@rlemon your name is robert? You'd be bob-a-fet
 
try this all you non-vim people
or =4, up to you
 
@towc I love vim, but it's not my primary editor anymore for a couple good reasons
 
that's just like, your opinion, man
 
@towc I work with C# and TFS, so like nah dude
 
2:26 PM
@towc i like vim but those freakin' ESC-commands keep thinking me to switch to sth like nano
 
no
 
@chade_ use a pedal
 
@chade_ if you use vim regularly, you probably have caps lock remapped to esc
 
How do I unstar chade_'s post if I never starred it?
 
you don't
 
2:27 PM
@Vap0r I bet there are vim plugins to make it even easier to develop with than VS and similar
 
I have the windows button remapped to C-c, too
 
@KendallFrey I'd like to give him a negative star
 
@towc there are not
 
@Vap0r my name is actually norbert, but most people call me lucy
 
nothing can beat VS' autocomplete for C#
 
2:28 PM
@ssube true
 
VSCode's autocomplete for TS and IDEA's for Java come close, but not close enough
 
@ssube how do you start +R or invoke search then? different mapping?
 
@ssube well, there's enough for TS, so there's that. Never looked into it for C#
 
@rlemon Let me guess, you have a brother named neitherernie
 
@towc yeah but TFS too?
 
2:28 PM
@towc I don't think you've used those toolchains heavily, but the autocomplete there is on a totally different level
 
I actually don't know what TFS is. Let me google
 
Not even VS makes TFS easy to use
 
Team Foundation Server?
 
@towc yeah
 
@towc I've used it for years and I don't even know what it is.
 
2:29 PM
@KendallFrey I'm lucky were using Visual Studio Teams Service instead of TFS, as it uses git
 
@KendallFrey I was writing him an explanation then realized I could only describe pieces of it, and not in its' entirety
git outta here
 
@chade_ indeed
 
@ssube meh, vim provides full type support with accurate suggestions for TS, it's really quite amazing. Genuinely asking what more than that VS provides?
 
@towc .NET compilation
 
mouse support
 
2:30 PM
and VS might have easily accessible buttons to run the code, debug, and stuff, but there's really nothing stopping you from getting that with keystrokes or commands in vim, either set manually or by a plugin
@Cereal vim actually has mouse support
 
@towc it runs the compiler and has full introspection into the code, all kinds of type inference
 
In-box mouse support
 
In-box?
 
vim's autocomplete is fun, but it doesn't actually know the codebase you're working with
 
What's the word for a feature that ships with a product
 
2:31 PM
Out of the box
 
Close enough
 
a... product's feature :P
 
You're not understanding, if you just rewrite the operating system and create your own compiler and create autocomplete mappings and shortcuts and your own team management hub that still connects with TFS, you're good. Why would you go the difficult route of using Windows?
 
if it's out of the box, it comes included. but if you're thinking outside of the box, you're thinking about things not included...
 
2:32 PM
@ssube vim doesn't by default, you might need to add plugins, but so can vim. I can't think of why there would be an algorithm that works better on something like VS rather than on vim
 
@towc the thing is, VSCode and TS are developed pretty much in tandem
and you don't have to rely on some neckbeard making a plugin for vim
 
@ssube the default autocomplete. You can add hooks to make it smart
 
@towc I'm well aware
I've used them
 
it's not simply autocomplete too
 
@towc luckily your capacity to think doesn't affect reality
 
2:33 PM
it's basically intellisense
 
it doesn't even begin to compare to what vscode does
 
@Mosho ok, I can accept that argument
 
@rlemon They really thought outside the box to coin that
@Mosho Neckbeards creating plugins for things make the world go round
 
the TS intellisense sucks compared to what C# has
 
@rlemon Happy Friday man
 
2:34 PM
and it's really good
 
user1596138
Listening to POTUS this morning the spot was "make fun of your kids for what they didn't know how to do"
> My kid didn't know how to make a omlette
> My kid didn't know how to wash clothes or dishes
> My kid didn't know how to mail a letter
 
@ssube Actually I found it pretty good
 
what else do you have in C#
except smart actions
 
@Mosho it doesn't fucking crash all the time
 
just talking about types and completion
 
user1596138
2:34 PM
Lmao who just announces how shitty of a parent they were like that?
 
TS even has intellisense for local variables, which C# doesn't have.
 
user1596138
</morningBitchin
 
@ssube when was the last time you tried? github.com/Quramy/tsuquyomi
 
I can't think of a nicer combo than Intellisense buffed with Resharper for C# tho
 
@ssube I haven't had TS crash in a long time
I mean TS' intellisense
 
2:35 PM
@Mosho just the language service
 
whatever it's called
yeah, I remember that happening
 
@Jhoverit I don't know how to mail a letter lol. Who needs to do that?
 
but it was a long time ago
 
vscode breaks and has to restart it all the time
 
has been smooth sailing for like a year
 
2:35 PM
every release there's something in the patch notes about fixing it
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey Yes you do bb
 
not a single issue I can remember
 
especially the last few
 
I don't know how the argument for not writing C# in vim comes down to TS intellisense, but I might be dense...
 
well, there's bug fixes, and stuff crashing
 
2:36 PM
@KendallFrey Old people i think
 
I haven't experienced it
 
@Vap0r because the only difference between editors is what features they offer and intellisense is the big one
 
@ssube Man you've got me curious. Where is C# intellisense better than TS?
 
@KendallFrey mailing physical copies of invoices / invoice corrections
 
@KendallFrey primarily around speed/stability
I can't name any features off the top of my head
 
2:36 PM
oh
 
yeah VSCode gets a little slow when you scale up
 
but vs and the .net intellisense is a lot faster than vscode and the ts language service
 
vim's tsuquyomi is pretty fast and reliable and all :/
 
@ssube I think he's advocating running vim in *nix for C#, .NET development. This is not even arguably a good idea
 
@Vap0r why not?
 
2:37 PM
again, I'm only talking about TS because I haven't looked into C# and others almost at all
tern for vim is pretty decent, also
 
tern barely worked when I tried it
 
but tsuquyomi brings it to a whole new level
 
@towc Name one thing you don't like about vim.
 
a while ago
 
@KendallFrey your mom?
 
2:38 PM
...
 
user2620028
@towc @madara what?
 
vim is light weight, his mom is obviously not involved
 
@towc Do you code vue templates in vim
 
@Cereal duh
 
@towc whaaat! Kendalls mom is the best.
 
2:39 PM
@towc Do you get starbucks daily
 
@KendallFrey jokes aside, I realize that vim has many downsides compared to other editors, but I think the tradeoffs are great
 
@towc Name one.
 
it relies on needing a terminal, for instance
 
inb4 customizability
 
you can use gvim, sure, but meh
 
2:39 PM
I hate it when I boot a computer without a terminal
 
vim's community is not seen as sane by most other communities
 
@towc Every desktop system has a terminal before any other ui
 
@Cereal you mean like windows?
 
it relies on obscure character sequences
 
2:40 PM
how is that a plus
 
morning everyone
 
@ssube It has something that resembles a terminal
 
@KamilSolecki he's asking me stuff that I don't consider pluses
 
@towc Im pretty sure he was asking the opposite
 
yeah, cmd prompt tries very hard
 
2:40 PM
@Cereal one cup of water there goes over my weekly budget
 
@rlemon New Pi-Top
Actually looks really clean
Far too expensive though
 
the only thing vim has going for it to me
is that sometimes you have to use it
and it's always there
everywhere
 
3 mins ago, by Kendall Frey
@towc Name one thing you don't like about vim.
 
vi and python are just there
 
@BenFortune its.. pretty expensive tbh
 
2:41 PM
@towc The people
 
@Mosho Not here
 
as in you can most likely get much more performant stuff for the price
 
I use vim for quick edits when opening a file in vscode would take longer
most of that I could probably do with sed but then I'd have to write regex
 
$300 ???? jesus
 
@ssube because support for common language features is still spotty in linux. Because language profilers don't exist (that I know of, I looked) for your C#, cross-platform GUI toolkit support is spotty, and that's just from 5-10 minutes of searching
 
2:42 PM
may as well buy two chromebooks
 
lol vscode is my go-to for opening things quickly
 
@ssube making a html website with regex
 
but I'm on windows
 
sublime for quick edits
 
@Mosho same
 
2:42 PM
so I guess my perception of speed is different
 
vscode for projects
 
vim for remote, sublime for local
 
@ssube but you do agree that you can be a lot faster at doing things with vim than with vscode, if you spend enough time mastering it, right?
 
inb4 "real programmers" xkcd
 
I use nano for remote editing, judge away
 
2:43 PM
@towc disagree
 
@towc wrong
 
@towc what would be quicker?
 
@towc no, that's blatantly untrue.
vscode has vim bindings
 
how so?
 
@towc > .....but I think the tradeoffs are great
> Name one.

(the one you linked was obviously making a joke of your vim-love)
 
2:43 PM
even without vim bindings
 
people find productivity in different editors.
 
@towc "if you spend enough time mastering it" there's the catch
 
without vim bindings, they're equal but different
 
actions that are code aware are a lot faster than even masterfully using vim's binding
imo
 
I guess the idea is that since C# is natively built to run with windows everything in linux will always be a port and have more performance and memory issues, not to mention basic support stuff
 
2:44 PM
with vim bindings, they're pretty much equal except intellisense
 
@ssube not fully, some stuff stops making sense because it uses a different visual system, last time I checked
@KendallFrey sure, yet another tradeoff
 
@towc what benefits does vim offer over something like vscode?
 
@Vap0r tooling is a real problem, but the core runs well on both. MS has a fiscal interest, since they want to run MSSQL and friends on Linux to open up their market.
@towc what are you talking about? Are you just lauding vim for fun at this point?
 
@Vap0r much faster, has a more understandable "under the hood" system, is everywhere... what does it not have?
@ssube wait no, it was a real issue for me when I first tried vscode out with vi bindings. Let me see if I can find exactly what I was talking about
damn, I have to install vscode on this machine too now
 
@ssube oh absolutely. 2 years ago I could just laugh at this idea and be done with it, but with MS' recent efforts into linux and since I hadn't looked at the state of Mono recently I had to go back and realize it was a lot closer than I thought
 
2:46 PM
@towc people who use it for real work
 
@Vap0r mono has always been one of those projects that you wish would work, but never quite will, like wine
 
@towc I can give you faster, but more understandable? I don't agree.
 
faster for what tho? if it takes me more time to figure out what to type it doesn't matter how fast it does things.
it all comes down to the user, not the editor
 
ok, first thing: normal mode in vscode is not monospace, which is already a problem
 
wat
the fuck have you done to your fonts
 
2:48 PM
normal mode and the info about the file are not as close as I might want them to be
@ssube the normal mode commands. The stuff after the colon
when you type :open, a popup at the top appears with the text in variable width
not a huge issue, but it's something
 
oh no
 
@Vap0r the commands
 
also, open doesn't work as you might expect
 
and the plugin ecosystem
 
(I get this from ts-loader, but not tsc): error TS7016: Could not find a declaration file for module 'lodash', try installing @types/lodash
 
2:49 PM
It's also scriptable.
 
I have been unable to find why ts-loader is not using things from @types. the docs say it does.
 
tabs and windows don't work as you expect them (C-w s, for example)
 
I disable touchpad while using vim.
 
and this is the problem I struggled with in the beginning
 
@Luggage why'd you switch from awesome-ts-loader?
 
2:50 PM
that had other odd errors that I forgot the details of so I was trying this
 
@towc is everywhere, good point. not needed for MS development. I use vim for for most of my development. But we're not talking about vim favorability. We're talking about vim favorability for C#, .NET coding, where I have TFS. If you have nothing for that then we're arguing different points, and are probably in agreement
 
I like ts-loader's error messages better.
 
you can't do regex searches like normal on the directory tree, unlike in nerdtree
 
Ive used these before.. Just having difficulty in this older project.
 
because the directory tree is not a normal buffer like the code
 
2:51 PM
@towc that could be useful
but fuzzy open is better than that anyway
 
i can go back to awesome-ts-loader and try that again, but I used ts-loader with @types in another project.. so I know this works.
 
@Mosho well, you can have both in vim
 
user2620028
i just use eclipse
 
@Luggage I was just curious
 
@Vap0r yeah sure. Again, I have no clue about C#
 
2:52 PM
Hi, I have a bit of a problem with signalr when the app is deployed using asp.net 4.5. The order of my referenced files puts jquery below signalr which causes it to crash. Is there a specfic way to deploy an asp.net 4.5 web app which will allow for jquery to to sit above signal r?
 
user2620028
you can directory search in that, even regex directory search
 
they're arguing that vscode is better than vim regardless
 
@towc nobody is arguing that
 
well, for TS
 
@towc well I guess the question you should be asking is what are they developing? Depending on their answer, they may be right
 
2:52 PM
I need to take a break from this. It'll probably be more clear after some time.
 
don't think anybody argued that, either
 
My car prompted me for oil today. It didn't happen before :'(
 
I would argue that
 
most of the points made are that vim isn't better
 
@Vap0r both mosho and ssube disagree that vim can be a lot faster to develop with than vscode
so they're at least arguing that
 
2:53 PM
unless you can show me completion and type inference that works just as well in vim
 
I think vscode's intellisense is better, but it's worse at memory and perf
 
user2620028
So, i have a question guys. I was looking at TS the other day and trying to figure out why I would want to use it.
 
user2620028
@KamilSolecki add oil
 
I'll argue that vscode is better than vim to give to random devs for your TS project. No reason they can't prefer vim and go use that, but vscode has "everyone" appeal.
 
@Mosho tsuquyomi
 
2:53 PM
We've got a lot of arguments here guys, how are we supposed to process them all?
 
with tabs
 
@towc in practice
 
   no
 
tsuquyomi is great even for practice
 
I mean really show
 
2:55 PM
show plz
 
like, do what I do in VSCode with it
 
have you ever used tsuquyomi in anger?
 
and it be equivalent
 
@Mosho i like this technique
 
@ssube aye
 
2:55 PM
over like
a week
 
has it ever crashed while you were fixing a prod fire?
 
@Mosho want an intellisense face-off? :P
we can arrange it
 
gifs in the readme are cool
 
You may be entitled to big cash settlements
 
but if it works like most vim plugins, that's all it is
 
2:55 PM
I'm game
@ssube my thoughts exactly
 
@ssube well, never had a prod fire
 
!!s/I'm/The/
 
@Vap0r The game (source)
 
@towc then you've never used it in anger
you hype this tech you've never deployed
 
I deployed it, what do you mean
it was a full-sized angular project
 
2:56 PM
you have a vue app running in prod?
 
@towc tell me how you deployed it in vivid, sensual detail
 
I love vim, but you can always take all the things you love about vim and use them in a non-temrinal-based editor..
 
Nothing ever works properly in production
 
@ssube that I don't
 
"full-sized" you say o_0
 
2:57 PM
@Cereal poor you
 
@Cereal test more
 
vim has it's place... In SSH sessions
 
But.. you can't test all the ways that production is different..
 
@Luggage I have to disagree. For example, the buffer system again. But you can take just about any mechanic another editor uses and put it in vim
 
I've known production and deployment issues intimately until we started using CI that pulls from GH
smooth sailing ever since
 
2:58 PM
@Luggage you can't?
 
My boss told me it's always better to QA against clients because then you don't need someone who knows the business logic of all of your clients on staff
 
@Cereal Then start advertising bugs as features
 
Last week one of my programs crashed due to a localization issue. Germany uses "," instead of "." in numbers
 
Not a joke either, he said this yesterday
 
if you want to get really fancy with it, you can run a background cluster on a newer version that handles some traffic as an invisible canary
 
2:58 PM
Didn't even know the computer I was installing it on was in germany
 
@Cereal classically testable problem
 
you can always test prod
 
@Mosho Step 1 is thinking of it though
 
mostly a joke.. we still have some ways that production is different than test (so it's not a true test)
 
@Cereal wait so what do they use for thousandth place deliniators?
 
2:58 PM
@Cereal step 1 is writing tests
you'd find all kinds of problems you didn't think of
 
@Mosho Tell me, how do you write a test for something you haven't thought of?
 
just from writing the tests
 
@Mosho that doesn't prevent a failure of imagination. The same thing that happened on 9/11 could happen to your tests.
 
Like it's $12,000.00 in America, how do Germans write this?
 
12'000,00
 
2:59 PM
12.000,00 DM
 
@Cereal that's why I said that the problem you mentioned is easily testable
 

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